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Avoiding Babylon
Charlie Kirk says Mary is the Antidote to Feminism
When evangelical leader Charlie Kirk declared "the antidote to feminism is our Lady," Catholics across social media took notice. His surprising admission that "we as Protestants and Evangelicals under-venerate Mary" has sparked intense conversation about whether the prominent conservative commentator might be on a path toward Rome.
The statement represents a significant theological shift for Kirk, who went on to praise Mary as "a phenomenal example and a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era." While careful not to overstate what's happening, we examine this moment through a Catholic lens, exploring how devotion to Mary has historically led many Protestant thinkers toward Catholic teaching. Reports that Kirk has been attending weekday Mass with his wife add an intriguing dimension to the discussion.
We also revisit Michael Knowles' earlier conversation with Kirk about Catholicism, analyzing the challenges of interfaith dialogue when trying to balance friendship with proclamation of Catholic truth. This leads us to reflect on our own deep devotion to Our Lady and why Mary holds such transformative power in drawing people to the fullness of faith. As one of us admits, "I'm a mama's boy when it comes to Our Lady"—a sentiment that resonates with many converts who found their way to Catholicism through growing appreciation for the Mother of God.
Whether Kirk's comments represent genuine theological exploration or merely an attempt to connect with his Catholic audience remains to be seen. But history suggests that once someone begins to soften their heart toward Mary, a deeper journey often follows. Join us for this fascinating analysis of a potentially pivotal moment in contemporary Christian dialogue.
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Speaker 2:Well, taffy, taffy, if you're watching right now, did you do something to make Ant look as black as that?
Speaker 1:or was that just natural?
Speaker 3:Because you made the comment about us being the heel like you said you were, like you know me, me and ant have basically like we are the heels in the catholic world, like it would just become like the adversaries of everybody. I gotta be honest, I'm like I woke up the other day and I hadn't slept all week. I had um like three consecutive days where I got like less than three hours, yeah, and so yesterday was I only got three hours of sleep again and I woke up at like two in the morning. I was just like thinking about all the freaking garbage going on and like thinking about like the comments people were leaving on our video and like like people accusing us of uh, like like people saying shame on you for, like for discussing someone else's sins and I'm like, so wait, you're shaming me for shaming him. Like you're doing the thing. You're like like you're pointing out my sin of pointing out his did you see um wagner's tweet kind of on that lines.
Speaker 3:He goes detraction is so bad, you must run out and tell everyone about someone else's detraction but it's true, it's like, it's like they can point our sin out, but like, if we you know I'm debating if we should do this conversation on um, uh, yeah, I think we should do that on locals, because I have like this, this whole.
Speaker 3:I kind of have this like whole uh thing about like what, what it is, because I saw a clip that frad put out with a priest about like sexual sins and like why they're so different, and I have like a a real and I don't think anything they said in the clip was wrong. I just don't think it went far enough. So, but maybe we'll I mean, we'll see how this show goes, but that we're not going to start with that. Um, yes, I am indeed a sinner, but especially like I don't I will say this the people that were like defending him and saying you shouldn't be talking about this, like the whole thing of this coming out from what Rob and I are hearing behind the scenes. He's going to take some time.
Speaker 2:For those. Okay, we did this bad last episode. We are disgusting. We are discussing the the uh voice of reason scandal. For those of you who don't know, there, he is a online apologist who has allegedly done some very bad things, potentially allegedly even with minors anyways. So that's what we're discussing, and we're discussing how the video we made about him, which initially did not have him in the title it did not even specify him in a in a thumbnail um, I thought, was literally as charitable charitable as we could have been about it yeah, and I came on just assuming everybody knew what we were going to talk about.
Speaker 3:So I, just I, we started making inside jokes and like I, and then, finally, why don't we tell everyone who we're talking about?
Speaker 2:well, the only reason we even we changed the title and thumbnail to specify him is because people were not understanding we were talking about him yeah, so oh.
Speaker 3:Plus, we dropped the ball with a thumbnail and Wagner it was a. It was a split stream between our channel and Wagner's and his views got double hours, and that never have our channels bigger than his. Rob dropped the ball with the thumbnail.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying no, no, no, no. The first thumbnail I made was gold but I said it was too far.
Speaker 3:Um, the but from what rob and I are hearing behind the scenes is that he's going to take some time in a monastery and like there's really no better outcome you could ask for, and people that actually care about his soul should be happy. And the thing that led to that was the public shaming that happened because his original statement um, his original statement came out where he was going to just deny, deny, deny, threaten lawsuits that were to be fair.
Speaker 2:He only denied one specific claim right, but he?
Speaker 3:but it was a carefully worded denial that made it seem like he was denying everything, but he was really only denying one specific claim and then owning up to fessing up, to being a sinner, generalized sinner, which, but? While threatening lawsuits to anyone who talked about it, right? So like that, the intention of that statement was to get everybody to shut up. Don't talk about this. And I'm like and and rob and I were talking about it. I'm just like this is a ridiculous idea that he's going to sue anybody. Like.
Speaker 3:It's just, especially if any of it's true like if any of it's true truth is an absolute defense in defamation cases yeah, it's like so, and then his phone would end up being submitted for discovery and then we would see, like, if there's truth to this stuff, you're then going to see every single girl he did this. There's no way this guy opened him up and opened himself up to that, so what? But what wound up happening? This is true, yes, that he is now going for a period of penance at a monastery, and it's like you hope for something like that, like the end goal is not that we want to shame him for life. The end goal is you want to bring him back into communion with the church, restore his relationship with Christ and have him be a faithful Catholic. He has to find a new opportunity offline.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he has to find I mean, look, he's Mexican, go, you know, do construction Roofing. I mean, yeah, I don't know what roofing is, but roofing would work. Sorry, Rob, oh you Minnesotans and your roofing.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I didn't get that scenario right.
Speaker 3:Oh, you say scenario, you got to be kidding me, but we're not going to do this tonight. I do have a thing I want to get to, but I think we'll do that. On Locals, we're also. Rob is a little critical of the way I handled the life site story I said we didn't have to talk about it.
Speaker 3:No, it's okay. Like the, I think what people like is that you and I don't agree on everything, and he like and the thing is, I don't, we don't even necessarily disagree. It's more like, uh, like we've kind of seen it from different areas, like he, he's seeing the thing and I'm seeing yeah but I have to be extra critical of you so that your mother hates me more well, my mom is.
Speaker 3:My mom is very upset with you. She goes you know everything. You say rob, just kind of just trashes. I'm like it's a bit, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:It's just a bit bob, don't worry, he's just, it's kind of a thing we do if we touch on the guitar thing by the end of this episode, both your parents are gonna hate me, yeah oh man, did you?
Speaker 3:uh, okay, so I had. So, guys, if you're, if you're new to the show, if you're here for the lead story, just skip about. We take a few minutes. Like, just learn to like deal with us for a few minutes we will get to the Charlie Kirk thing I was going to say. I was going to say pick fruit on a farm, because that's all we ever hear from people.
Speaker 3:It's like who's going to pick your fruit on a farm if we deport all the Mexicans? I'm sorry, guys. We have a little bit of irreverent humor because there's a lot of new people watching the show like and they're not happy with us unhinged I'm the hinge of this show so, um, okay.
Speaker 3:so I went to dinner at my parents last night and my dad's really harping on that one episode. He caught the one episode he's ever seen, not even a whole episode, he's like a segment, like a portion of it, where we were talking about boomers and guitar masses. My dad played the guitar at the church for years, like my parents went to Medjugorje in the late 80s, early 90s, and the show is Anthony Bates base. Yeah, yeah, sure you're new.
Speaker 3:so my my parents went to medjugorje in the late 80s, early 90s. They came back. My dad had like a wild conversion, um, and he, like my dad, my dad's played the guitar his entire life and he then played music for the church for a good 10. I mean, what year did I move to? What year did I move to? Uh, smith, I mean it had to be. It had to be like five or ten years. My dad was like part of the music ministry, you know, um, and then he, yeah, the music ministry. So then when we were talking about guitar masses and stuff, my dad like kind of went off on me and he's like you know, it's not the instrument, because my dad loves the freaking guitar. He's like it's not the instrument, it's the type of music. So I'm afraid to actually play it because we'll probably get a copyright right If we do 20 seconds of it, do like 15 seconds of it.
Speaker 3:Let me see if I can find your tweet. I got the tweet so I'll send it to the thing. So for anybody that did not see this today, oh wrong one For anybody that didn't see this today. So my dad's like, just listen to this, and this I mean his tweet kind of blew up today. So the tweet was last week. My dad caught an episode where Rob and I criticized guitars at mass. Last night I had dinner with him and he insisted it's not the guitar but the type of music. He made me watch this. But we still disagreed and I asked can guitars be appropriate for mass If the music is not cheesy?
Speaker 3:and this is what he played for me I will say this it is a very beautiful rendition of our of uh ave maria yeah, but even there's, there's a even.
Speaker 2:There's a couple reasons why even this shouldn't be in a Mass.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, the thing is what he's doing there. Playing that in a church outside of the setting of the Mass is totally appropriate, oh, yeah. Outside of the Outside of the Mass in that church, the acoustics of the church.
Speaker 2:In the sanctuary with Christ. There Is that where he was I Outside of the mass in that church the acoustics of the church.
Speaker 3:In the sanctuary with Christ there Is that where he was.
Speaker 2:I didn't notice. Yeah, I'm willing to say okay, but I mean, it depends. Is it a concert? You know? I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, all I'm saying is it's a beautiful rendition and that guy's a classical guitarist, it's not like he's a rock guitarist.
Speaker 2:Have you ever met anyone in any sort of church music ministry that can play guitar like that? My dad maybe. Okay, that's pretty, my dad's pretty good. Dude saying that casey watches, yeah, it's pretty good though. Um, but say that was in mass, like even without the idea of it's a guitar, it's just without, without words, it's just yeah it's just, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3:Even at that point he and I still disagreed, but I I don't know why he can't, he he was taking it so personally, like I was like knocking, I'm like, I'm like I'm not knocking the guitar guitar's a beautiful instrument. I love listening to you play.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna piss off all the boomers again, like we tend to do. What is it with that generation, with taking everything so personally?
Speaker 3:I don't know man like when someone comments something about millennials I'm like you're probably right but when you're like you know but I just don't get it.
Speaker 2:Why is everything? Why? Why is everything's in a town?
Speaker 3:of them personally. Molly says the other day she goes, I don't care what people say anything about millennials. I said, because you're Gen X, of course you don't care. I did see you say that she's a millennial. I was just teasing, yeah. So it was an interesting conversation with my dad but I kind of just was like no, that's. I mean that's beautiful and I mean I wouldn't prefer, I would prefer it not be in the setting of the mass.
Speaker 2:but obviously that's much more beautiful than, uh, you know right, I mean it's objectively better than the my little pony, you know. Yeah, yeah, one of those renditions.
Speaker 3:So it is what it is, all right. So we will now get to the lead. Before we do. Uh, do we have anything to promote? We don't have sponsors anymore, not for a month or two. We don't have any sponsors. If any of you guys out there would like to be a sponsor of our show, we have lost our sponsors and everyone has a boat to fix people. Come on, everyone has abandoned us.
Speaker 2:One thing we can kind of promote, although I have no specifics on it and I didn't know about it from Anthony. I learned about it from Josiah from Thursday, but I guess next Friday there is going to be a charity livestream. I don't know on what channel or even necessarily what times, but watch out for a charity livestream next Friday. That's going to have a ton of us I don't want to call us catholic creators, or it's also gay uh a ton of us catholic people online joining as guests to raise funds for the uh, the latin, uh, latin patriarchate of jerusalem yeah, it's gonna go to pizza balla and the church in gaza that was attacked today.
Speaker 2:Um, I think anthony and I are gonna be on there, like 6 30 central, so 7 30 eastern. I don't know who else, when else, but be on the lookout we'll give you guys a heads up when we're gonna be on.
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Speaker 3:So, if you guys want, go to recusin sellers, probably get 10 off. I'm sure it'll work. Um, um. So all right. So let's get to the uh title, the, the lead story. Um, charlie kirk made a comment today or we saw it online today where he said the antidote to feminism is our lady. And it was, uh, I mean, it's still very evangelical protestant d, but I thought it was an and it was. I mean, it's still very evangelical Protestant-y, but I thought it was an interesting conversation, it was an interesting segment that he spoke about and Rob brought up he goes, you know, I bet, because we kind of trashed Knowles a little bit. We were critical, yeah, yeah, I didn't trash him, but we were critical of Knowles in his conversation with Charlie Kirk because we didn't trash him, but we were critical of knolls in his conversation with charlie kirk because, um, we didn't think. I didn't think, uh, no, no, I think you were too. We were both critical.
Speaker 3:We didn't think, no, I think I was more critical than you yeah, probably because you're, you're mean, yeah, um and we just thought knolls could have pushed a little harder and he was like too concerned with charlie's feelings and not thinking about like the broader argument at the time. So but let's play it, and then we'll play a clip from um, from the Knowles Kirk thing. That's kind of relevant Um.
Speaker 5:But let me first say I think we as Protestants and Evangelicals under-venerate Mary. She was very important. She was a vessel for our Lord and Savior. I think that we, as Evangelicals and Protestants, we've over-corrected. We don't talk about Mary enough, we don't venerate her enough. Mary was clearly important to early Christians. There's something there. In fact, I believe one of the ways that we fix toxic feminism in America is Mary is the solution. Have more young ladies, be pious, be reverent, to be full of faith, slow to anger, slow to words at times. Mary is a phenomenal example and, I think, a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era now, oh whoa, I never know what's gonna come up from.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I, I cut it off, but I okay. So a couple things. I I don't want to overplay this and be like oh, charlie kirk, like it look yeah he still sucks he still sucks. He's still like we as evangelicals of uber correctness. I don't want to like she's a. She was a vessel yeah, like I don't want to overstate what actually happened here, but um, it's. It's kind of like the slippery slope once somebody starts going in that direction.
Speaker 2:Right mary is the slippery slope to catholic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude, once you start softening your heart to our lady, she kind of comes through with a two by four and next thing you know you're on your knees worshiping her. It is what it is, guys. I don't know what to tell you that's gonna be clipped by. Uh, I don't care I have no qualms telling protestants I worship mary, like I, it's true, I worship her. I don't care, it's not. I mean catholics, clearly worship her with latria.
Speaker 3:But yeah, but like I, I I worship her and love her in the same way I worship and love my wife, like, like I have said, simp yeah, I bet quote that I have said, um, like it when it comes to like, filial love, like I love our lady as much as jesus.
Speaker 3:Like I don't, like it would like. Asking me to pick which one I love more would be like asking me which child I love more. Like it's not I have I have. Like I understand christ is my savior and redeemer and that and I get that. But on a filial piety level I have such a devotion to Our Lady and such a love for Her I couldn't say I love Her less than Jesus. I don't. I love them both the same. Yeah, I'm a mama's boy when it comes to Our Lady. Yeah, I'm a. Yeah, I'm a mama's boy when it comes to our lady. Um, it's one of those things where I think, even like, if somebody blasphemed and disrespected christ in front of me depending on the context, I might tolerate it where, if somebody disrespected our lady in front of me, I might knock their teeth out well, it depends like someone who's gonna disrespect.
Speaker 3:Christ is probably I've I've had people say gd in front of me.
Speaker 2:I've had people okay, okay, well, in front of me, right I've had people disrespect our lord in front of me. It's a little different than an elder, one of the elder brothers saying he's uh burning, yeah very. That's why I said context dependent.
Speaker 3:I look, I was at a party one time, um, and I had my children there, and my friend's wife started saying GD in front of my children and I just went look, I'm like it's like one of those things where, like, my kids are around, like it's a very easy one to not say like I don't care, if you drop the F word in front of my kids they'll hear something like that. But please don't take the words.
Speaker 3:They're a Nutella family, they hear that I mean, come on, and she freaking lost it, don't. Who are you dude? It was like evil came out in her. Like who are?
Speaker 3:you to tell me what I can and can't say in my house. And you know what it's nice seeing you guys. I'm out of here. I took my kids and I left and it was. It was awkward, it was very awkward, but I was like I'm not going to sit here while you're taking the lord's name in vain in front of my children. And now you're, now you're angry at me because I asked you not to do it like it was like a, like a. It was a really awkward moment. I said let me just take my kids and get the hell out of you. Nicole wasn't with me, um, but and uh, it's. It's interesting because I've seen them since then. I never, never got an apology, nothing. The husband apologized to me, but the wife never did. But if somebody disrespected our lady like there was somebody passing a picture of a broken Blessed Mother statue a while ago, like passing that around on Twitter and I said if somebody ever did this intentionally in front of me.
Speaker 3:I would punch them in the face. If you broke a statue of did this intentionally in front of me, like I would. I would punch them in the face If you broke a statue of our lady intentionally in front of me, like we are now fighting, there is no chance. I would like there is no chance, we're not fighting if you did that in front of me. So I don't know. It's one of those things now. So I do think before yeah, so I don't want to overplay what charlie kirk is doing, but it is one of those things where you see kind of every protestant that that that kind of just softens their heart to our lady.
Speaker 2:Our lady has a way of well, uh, taylor marshall, his conversion started when he started praying the rosary, isn't it?
Speaker 3:oh well, if you saw, I mean, if you get to the point where you're praying the rosary, but also, uh, somebody that's why I sent my my uh black monk rosary to uh lore lodge guy did you. That's a good idea, because that's a. That's a. If you guys don't know, because I know he likes the templars sent that.
Speaker 3:You know he's blessed and everything sent that to him if you guys don't have a black monk rosary, they are. You've never had a rosary like this, like when I got mine. Even even rob's gonna show you right now this is my other one. Okay, that looks like plastic.
Speaker 2:They're steel well, so the crusader one I had was steel. This is stone. So I mean you could beat someone to death with one.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying you should, but you could, yeah, like the thing weighs like a good four pounds, like a solid, like four or five pounds I tried carrying in my pocket a few days.
Speaker 2:I'm like, this is not really a serious rose.
Speaker 3:it's the most serious rosary I've ever had, but, um, it's yeah. So if a Protestant starts praying the rosary, they're already there. Like there's no such thing as like a Protestant that prays the rosary and doesn't end up Catholic, you just you can't.
Speaker 2:It's not possible, yeah agreed.
Speaker 3:But somebody, even in the comments and I had seen a few people said it today in my thread where I posted the Charlie Kirk thing that some people live locally to him and he's been going to daily mass yes, and when we say that we don't necessarily mean every like daily, but he's been going to weekday masses yeah. But wait, where is it? Somebody said.
Speaker 3:So apparently his wife, I think, is oh, here it is. Charlie kirk's wife has been attending catholic mass regularly and he has been seen with her multiple times in recent months. This is in arizona now. Look, the prayers of a faithful wife can have a very heavy effect on the on the heart of a man wait, did you just say his wife is catholic?
Speaker 3:I don't know if she's catholic. She's attending catholic mass though. Oh, his wife is attending catholic mass, so maybe his wife's heart is softening to it and it's going to end up. Uh, you know, it just might be one of those things so let's hammer peterson first.
Speaker 2:If you had to put money on it I say kirk first.
Speaker 3:I think so I think peterson's too stubborn intellectual pride. Yeah, I think peterson's too stubborn and prideful, I would say. But there's also an element where you hope Kirk isn't just playing to the audience because he knows he has a large Catholic audience, but I mean he's also risking offending his Protestant audience.
Speaker 2:He thinks he's saying it gently, but I saw the Protestant comments underneath it.
Speaker 3:How could he? Even Rome thinks that Mary is a god, like the nonsense that they say.
Speaker 2:I don't think they realize like I have a feeling those type of responses is what permanently lost. What's his name, cameron Bertuzzi, to them. Oh yeah, you know, I think they just end up like pushing them away as soon as they see that there might be some sort of draw to catholicism in them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah it's like but dude. Those are such low iq arguments, though, like when people like you guys worship me. It's the dumbest. It's like dude you don't like.
Speaker 2:Those are the dumb.
Speaker 3:First off, there is pagan catholicism going on and we are going to talk about that. That is there is.
Speaker 2:I should have shown up in a yeti costume there is well no, I'm not even talking about that. I know, but that would have been funny not even talking about that, that's.
Speaker 3:That's just weird nonsense. We will talk about that a little bit, but like there is, I think, kind of alex marado was pagan catholic, oh yeah, like I think that was pagan. A thousand charlie apologizing to vince if you're listening.
Speaker 2:We're so sorry for table of plenty on eagle's wings bring that man to a latin mass. Nobody let him go to the novus ordo first anthony says if they have a guitar in the music ministry you cannot attend okay, um, oh my god, grover, shut up.
Speaker 3:Are you guys reacting?
Speaker 1:to drama.
Speaker 3:These days, you guys even prepare for this show no, since when have we ever grover?
Speaker 2:you either?
Speaker 1:come on as a guest with your.
Speaker 3:I want grover's face on screen or we're not going to highlight his comments anymore did we want to play the knolls yeah, so let's do that. Let's do the knolls clip, because I thought, because rob had said to me he goes I wonder if there was anything interesting in the knolls conversation, where where they talk about mary and there was. So it's only a short.
Speaker 2:It's only a short segment that I pulled, but it's like it's like a two-minute clip, but there was something interesting in it I will preface this by saying it's still not how I would ever talk to someone you know, even if they are a friend about it.
Speaker 3:But but, I don't know let's play it.
Speaker 4:Let's play it and then we'll critique it this is something, charlie, that you know we mackerel snappers we get, we don't need to, we don't need to, you know, reinvent the wheel. Every year, we got two thousand years of people who are much smarter than you and I who have thought this um, okay.
Speaker 3:So somebody in the audience had asked him michael, how can I help spread, spread love for the Eucharist? So that was the question and Michael kind of went off and he was like, oh wow, this is like an amazing question. I thought you were going to ask me, how do you start a podcast? And I was going to tell you, don't, he's like, but the great thing about being Catholic is you don't actually have to do anything on your own, you can just reach into the tradition. And that's where he picks up.
Speaker 4:Instead of debating these questions. So if you just bring that, if you convey that I'm trying to sell Charlie on this right now I know I'm answering you, but I'm really speaking to Charlie. If you just do that, that's all you're doing. You're just telling the story. You're telling the greatest story ever told and you have the deposit of faith and you have the magisterium behind you as a hermeneutic of interpretation. But just do that, you know, and do that in sincerity and do that with the best of your effort and I think it'll be wonderful.
Speaker 5:As an evangelical who loves Catholics, I love that you're doing it, but let me just, let me just edit.
Speaker 2:Here's the but. Here's the but. It's a big one.
Speaker 5:You didn't catch it, michael. Here's the. It's a big one. You didn't catch it, michael, is that?
Speaker 4:your goal should be to bring people to jesus not catholicism. No hold on. What's the difference, what's the I?
Speaker 5:don't think. What's the hold on, hold on. I'm not saying that they're contradictory, but your goal should not to be to bring people to a specific sect of christianity. It is to bring people to the specific sect of Christianity. It is to bring people to the cross.
Speaker 4:You're saying to bring people to the fullness of the truth and the universal faith.
Speaker 5:Yes, but not the maxims of every Catholic dogma. No, I mean. For example, am I a Christian if I don't believe in Mariology?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:Well, we're talking about the fullness of the truth.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm talking about, but you still have the truth.
Speaker 3:But you still look, our main criticism of Knowles in this was that he was too concerned with Charlie and offending Charlie, yeah, and not enough. Concerned with presenting the Catholic faith for the larger audience Right, but maybe what he was doing was the right thing to do, because he was caring for the soul in front of him, somebody he knows and cares about, and he's like I know I can handle this one right. And then, through charlie's conversion, the, the audience can yeah yeah, it's like. It's like because noel's.
Speaker 2:No, I still wouldn't answer any of my friends the way he answered Of course not.
Speaker 3:You know he's in a tricky spot. Listen to me I we could all say what we would do right. You don't say what we would do, but when we had Lorelai John and he was spouting some of the ridiculous things he was like all right. I pushed him more than you did. I'm just saying like it's hard to not maintain Like they weren't setting up for a fight, like Charlie was a jerk in that conversation. He kind of looked foolish. You have two completely different temperaments, though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we do so, like in that conversation though, charlie was like kind of badgering Michael and the thing is, in the larger perspective of that conversation, michael came off looking gentle, insane, and charlie came off looking like an idiot. You know like, because I remember going through that conversation to be like charlie you're just making a fool of yourself right now but michael was focused on his friend charlie, like he really was and he was and he didn't lie. So, like when charlie said, if I don't believe in mariology, am I still a christian? Michael was like whoa, you know we're talking about the fullness here. So, all right, I'm gonna say this maybe I was a little too harsh on knolls and if I was, I apologize.
Speaker 2:Uh, unless he never invites you on the show, then you should have been hard right.
Speaker 3:No, if charlie kirk never converts to michael you on the show, then you should have been hard, right? No, if charlie kirk never conversed and michael, you were a dummy and you should have went harder, that's how it goes.
Speaker 2:But if we see a charlie kirk conversion, I'll give you a retroactive apology, and that's how it's gonna work why is it we always see, like the gregorius, friendly sicilian from michael knows and never the angry fire spitting Sicilian from Michael you get.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think you guys are variety.
Speaker 2:Why is he never gone to someone? Stop it.
Speaker 3:It's gay, yeah, like I kind of I try to give you guys the variety, like I give you guys the friendly, like you know, the jolly. Everybody get along Italian, and then I kind of I do that fire spitting italian thing too. Um, yeah, I don't know, I don't know it's you know, I think, uh, I think you know what else I'm worried about, though, like when I do those like I don't want it to be, is catholic, right?
Speaker 2:uh, did you see jack posobic posting like, if he's not practicing like I know his brother, kevin, definitely is?
Speaker 3:no, jack posobic is a yeah, he's catholic, he's, oh, it's not. Just I believe he goes to latin mass. Well, he's had martial on and yeah, no, I I. The thing is, those guys will like politics comes before their religion, I think yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3:Uh, like those guys, the like this, this, the bannons and the posobics, and like I like jack posobic, but like their politics comes before, they're really in my opinion. I mean, I don't know their hearts, but it seems that way. It seems like they'll publicly, they publicly, they'll criticize leo. They would never criticize trump, it's. I'm okay with you criticizing Leo, but like, criticize Trump, like I mean like criticize Trump. I'm just saying like, but they're, I like Posobiec too. I'm not saying I don't like Posobiec, I'm saying I want to see consistency. It's like if you see something wrong, you can criticize it, but be consistent. Like, don't just be like a Magatard where it's just like well, I just go along with whatever, whatever, whatever trump does, I gotta be on the team, you know like, if that's the case, then you should be on the team, no matter what, with catholicism too I mean, say what you want about leo, comparisons of francis, whatever, whatnot, of him and trump.
Speaker 2:There's only one of the two that I think might be in the epstein files. That's true, and it's not leo yeah, it's definitely not leo.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, I mean trump. We don't have to do a trump episode, but we're gonna do a trump episode next thursday when nick comes. Yeah, we'll save that for nick. Yeah, nick's. Nick's coming back on next thursday apparently he's got some big news. We don't know what it is yet yeah, he won't tell us his bum, like he won't even give us a sneak even when I asked like don't we get enough?
Speaker 3:yeah, he's like oh, I got some good news. He's like I can, I can tell you guys, next week we're like do we, do we have to wait?
Speaker 2:he's like what do you mean?
Speaker 3:I'm like we're your friends do we have to like to me and to me and rob have to wait, like you tell us first come on no, not fuentes, fuentes, fuentes wants nothing to do with us. That's not a bad point.
Speaker 2:Nick won't tell because Ant will spoil it. I almost considered texting Nick. I'm like, if you don't feel comfortable telling Ant, you can at least tell me.
Speaker 3:I would probably blow his spot. You know what If it wasn't super secret. It depends, it depends, depends the level of secrecy. I will say this I'm glad you didn't tell me, I'm glad you told majority not to show me those text messages I.
Speaker 2:I gotta admit, though, I'm not perfect, so someone sent me.
Speaker 3:Never mind, no one else will get the story rob, rob, the, the text messages, the voice of reason, text messages. Rob was like look, he gave me, like the, the idea of what was happening. He goes and he's like but like you gotta see this, I said, and he's like, I can't send you the text message. I was like you know what, don't send them to me because and I'm glad he didn't, because if I had read those I would have, I would. It would have been too hard for, like, I would have been seet, you would have went on a rant in the middle of an episode.
Speaker 2:I'm at a loss, Like this freaking pervert.
Speaker 3:He's still going out on youth retreats.
Speaker 2:I'd be texting Majorian, you got to release it now.
Speaker 3:Might have been one of those situations. I'm also concerned with the angry sicilian thing becoming a bit you're like I only want to do that when I'm genuinely angry, like I don't want to just do it because people find you've only ever really done it. Twice it was, and then um I did voice a reason before, before this most recent time, like the when he went on janko yeah, you kind of lost it, it was.
Speaker 2:Whatever you said about him was very different than when you said what you said about Loft and the Wands and then what you said about Eric McCabe.
Speaker 3:I don't think I got that angry at Eric McCabe, I was just disappointed.
Speaker 2:But everything's better now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, everything is better. And interestingly he came out with an episode saying how we saved his soul, and I think we saved voice of reason soul too.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to go back. I think and I don't. I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying that as in, like I don't think he's going to repent or anything. I just mean like I'm not going to take any credit for it, I think yeah, you're going to take credit, he will.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying I'm taking credit, I down the line he will credit us someone clip this.
Speaker 2:We need this as a prediction, in case it happens I'll make your prediction.
Speaker 3:Down the line, he will say they contributed to saving my soul. I'm just making the prediction, that's all it doesn't surprise anyone. Guys, I'm goofing around, it's just for the bit. It's just look I struggle with. Here's my prediction.
Speaker 2:No matter what happens with voice of reason, he is gonna hate our guts forever. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3:You know, who else hates us is pipe cottage. Pipe cottage didn't just leave a comment on our video, he left a comment on joe mclean's video. So I called into joe mclean's show the other morning to discuss the situation, and pipe cottage left the same comment on joe mclean's video that he did on ours. I love watching this channel. Why? To see your reactions from anthony
Speaker 3:okay, so I was actually speaking with um steve uh skojek and so steve skojek had a uh, he wrote a sub stack the other day. He wrote a sub stack the other day of uh, oh, my gosh, taffy. Yeah, steve Skojec wrote a sub stack the other day. I mean, this kind of goes with the life side stuff. But just discussing like the thing with it wasn't actually life side, it was Stephen Cox wrote an article critical of Pope Leo with the votive mass for creation yeah, and it when you actually read the article like it was a votive mass.
Speaker 3:It wasn't like the way stephen cox framed. It sounded like they made a new right, like an amazonian right for creation or one of like two, three, four dozen different votive masses you can see. Yeah, it's literally just like and it wasn't about climate change or anything like that, it was like just being good stewards of the earth, literally like just conservation. There's nothing wrong with like caring about conservation as a Catholic. There's just not Like you should actually care about your local environment very much.
Speaker 2:Like if it had come out a hundred years ago. No big deal, but because, we live in such a weird politically charged age and environmentalism for some reason automatically gets put on the left hand side of things by people. They think that there was nothing there was nothing about carbon footprints.
Speaker 3:It was nothing like that. It was just about like care for the, care for creation and care for your local, whatever. So Steve was just like like remembering when he ran one Peter five, just how, like the outrage machine, right, just like you would I say like way too much guys. I'm sorry, I like when I go back please like subscribe everyone.
Speaker 3:When I go back and listen to myself, all I hear is like it freaking drives me nuts. I'm like holy cow, how do I keep saying it? So I'm gonna try not to um the outrage machine where he would go through things and just look for things to get upset about, because that is actually what drives clicks and people feed on negativity and outrage. Right, and I I messaged him and I said I just I just read your sub stack. I said rob and I have actually been talking about this lately and we're getting away from discussing leo and what, what's going on in the church and stuff, and going more towards something like we did tonight with charlie kirk. Right, like we're going to find interesting things on the internet that we think we could bring a catholic perspective to and we're going to, you know, play a video clip and then hope it leads to a conversation. We're going to get away from church drama specifically. I mean, look, if something happens in Catholic Inc, we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the end of Francis was a nice reset, kind of it was. I don't know. It does make you look at things from a different perspective.
Speaker 3:It's just that you're not waking up every day to see something francis said to piss you off. Right, it's like, look, like I said, I think leo's a bit of a boring pope, but maybe we need a boring pope. You know, I don't think he's gonna save the church, but he's also not like adding fuel to an already toxic environment. You look, he says mass facing ad orientum the other day, and little gestures like that actually do matter, especially when this bishop is thinking about banning Ad Orientum In Castel Gandolfo. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Francis avoided that place like the plague for 12 years Like what's his name? Cale just sent us an article from Mark, from Catholic, Unscripted, actually no it wasn't from them, it was from an italian, um an italian site that basically said like the error of uh fake pauperism, uh, you know, fake, uh, fake poverty fake poverty is over, yeah, pretending you're poor and we can't go to castel, gondolfo and I can't, you know, I have to live, live in the, in the, in the, I can't, I can't live, you know, in the papal palace anymore.
Speaker 3:I have to, because you know it's faux poverty, it's virtue, signaling false humility, and it was like a relief, like that period is done. So, but what I said, what I said to Steve, was um, what I said to Steve was I, I never got into podcasting because I wanted to be a critic of the church. That's not why I got into it Like my. My actual reason I got into it is because I always wanted to do radio Like. I always wanted to do radio I, I, I. I was a very big talk radio guy when I was younger and I always wanted to do radio Like I always wanted to do radio I, I, I was a very big talk radio guy when I was younger and I always thought I could do it. And the video element makes it even more fun for me. I really do enjoy being able to play a clip and then comment on it. So to me I don't care.
Speaker 2:Video.
Speaker 3:Here you go. I don't like being alone on video. I, I, I, it is, it was it's. It is really strange doing those stupid videos from the truck because half the time it's 105 degrees and I'm drenched in sweat and I have to put the camera on and like I haven't shaved and I look terrible and I'm just like, all right, I'm going to do a stupid video from the truck and I'm like I don't want to look at the camera while I do. It's a really awkward thing, but the reason I got it yeah, this is like paul that that is the inspiration for it um, listening to them. And so I still want to interview anthony cumia. But you know, if you drink every time, I say like you guys will be crocs before the first hour is over yeah, we can't promote.
Speaker 2:We can't promote sin like can't promote drunkenness.
Speaker 3:Um the yeah, the reason I got into this was because I thought I could do radio and I I our show. Rob and I have been very specific in telling people we are not an apostolate, we're not a ministry, we're not any of that, we're an entertainment show. That's it. We're just two friends that are doing an entertainment show. We find interesting things to talk about.
Speaker 2:It's kind of just like it's a lot easier for for Anthony and I to justify to our conversations with each other's to our wives when we make a little bit of money from it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Well, I also don't want to sell.
Speaker 2:Jesus want to sell jesus, right like I don't want to sell my catholic faith either. I'm being, I don't, I don't ever want to. Then there's, then there's that um, that drive to to put on an air of catholic holiness right, if that's what you're selling this, and then you need to have more of it to sell more of it look, the thing is you can tune into this show.
Speaker 3:You'll never hear cursing. You'll never hear unless tim gordon's on. You'll never hear blasphemy, you'll never hear. You'll never hear like um smut or anything like that.
Speaker 2:So you know you will hear women jokes, especially about drivers. You'll hear jokes about well, anthony will do chinese priest impressions. Um, we don't bring up native americans anymore for a very strong reason we do the amish talk over on locals.
Speaker 3:But I think our humor is still appropriate as catholics like? I don't think it's. I think I think we tow a very fine line. Sometimes we may push it a little bit, but I don't think it's like too far gone where it's, it's edgy for us for like political, but yeah, for Catholicism.
Speaker 2:I think it is fine, I think, I think, I think, except maybe the pigeon Bible that's on that line.
Speaker 3:Dude, that was one of the funniest episodes we've ever done.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so funny, but it is, robert, you don't know what. The pigeon.
Speaker 3:Bible is Robert. Just look up Hawaiian pigeon Bible and you'll find our video On our channel. Video on our channel. Just google search that on YouTube. You'll find our video. There's nobody else that ever did it. You've had to apologize for your language. Rob has a potty mouth. Somebody said I took the Lord's name in vain the other day. I guess I said oh my, I tried to say oh my, my gosh I think you did want. I think it was just accidental. But I don't ever say that unless it's a total accident.
Speaker 2:I make a point to say oh my gosh, I think you might have actually been quoting someone and you just didn't realize it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it wasn't like I was just throwing it out there. All right, michael, I was just throwing it out there, but all right, so we can. Yeah, michael, maybe you know more than we do about the Charlie Kirk situation, let's hope you do. All right, so we also have.
Speaker 2:Let's see what else did we have on this channel or on this side.
Speaker 3:For this side, because we do have stuff for local. Honestly, I don't have work tomorrow. Rob's in for a long one. Locals is going to be a full local show, but I have a lot of thoughts about things that I don't want to discuss.
Speaker 2:I didn't want this. Oh, you know, if you want to do another 15 minutes here just to round up the hour, we could talk about the guy I thought was your co-worker. Yeah, um, I think we should do the. The idiot at the coldplay concert, though you don't want to save that for your old stuff on sexual sins and the next on locals.
Speaker 3:No, it'll be a good good way to segue into it and we only have 14 minutes, so I think it'll be a good way to segue into it?
Speaker 2:have we really done this show long enough to where we look substantially different than we did at the beginning?
Speaker 3:so okay. So yeah, listen. If you guys have never seen that video, uh, it's my second video I ever did when you were solo. Still, I was. I was solo. It was a pre-recorded video. Um, it's one of it's. It's one of my favorite things to discuss is the typology in the book of. It's really the book of Matthew, but it's the typology between the story of Jonah and the book of Matthew, when the Pharisees say give us a sign, and Jesus says this generation will only get the sign of Jonah, and it's a really interesting parallel between the book of Jonah and what Jesus is talking about in Matthew there. So if you've never seen it, I mean you've got to go way back. My teeth are not fixed yet. It's a pretty wild show.
Speaker 2:But if you want to go back to that same time period and watch a really funny show, I remastered the audio on one where anthony makes uh marriage talks about uh, marriage advice yes that was my second wait.
Speaker 3:My first video was covid. My second video was marriage advice. My third video was was the, and I think it was like christmas parades. It was titled like christmas parades. Well, yeah, because that guy.
Speaker 2:That guy ran his car into the.
Speaker 3:Christmas parade. So teeth not fixed? Yeah, so if you go back? So I had a chipped tooth, my front tooth was chipped. Wait, where is that? I got the wrong one. My front tooth was chipped when I first started the show and I probably would have left it until I saw my face on camera and I was like I cannot, there is no way. Like when you see somebody that's bad teeth on camera, I was like there's no way, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Vanities, vanities, yes, vanities.
Speaker 3:I took a loan out of my annuity to pay for my teeth. That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1:Betty wishes he waited for the boat engine to crap out.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, oh man, oh man. I could have took a loan for my annuity for that instead of my teeth. That's so stupid still paying these stupid teeth off I got like a year left on payments for my stupid teeth. I think it was worth it, though my wife likes my smile better, so that's enough. Oh god, I'm simping again. Yeah, um so, uh, all right so also you also just took the lord's name. Goodness, I can't.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, guys, I apologize, you will never get a polished, uh unrealistic view of us guys we are what you see, yeah, tooth usually.
Speaker 3:Well, robert, the thing is, I'm paying. I'm paying the interest to myself, though. That's why I took the annuity loan, because the annuity loan, you're paying yourself worse than the tooth fairy. You're paying yourself the interest. So if you take a loan from your annuity, you are paying a four percent interest, but you pay it to yourself like you're paying it to your own annuity. So it's not I. That's why I did it that way. Thank you, mr c.
Speaker 2:I said gosh so now we're simping for anthony. Really I said gosh, come on I said gosh, everybody's scandalized.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, I'm guys. I hope I didn't say I got ona fans in here.
Speaker 2:Um all right, so no, I probably shouldn't show paul's all right, let's do.
Speaker 3:Let's do this idiot at the uh coldplay concert I'm sure you guys also anybody's on twitter, you saw this today. It was every other tweet. Was this idiot, but I thought his statement was interesting.
Speaker 2:No, not the fake one on twitter. Right there was a fake statement, but I his Not the fake one. On Twitter there was a fake statement, but I have his real statement. The fake one was funny though.
Speaker 3:I saw his real statement, which is so nuts. His real statement was almost worse than the fake one. The fake one's actually kind of funny.
Speaker 2:Okay, I got the video For anybody that hasn't seen it.
Speaker 3:This is pretty wild. So this is at a Coldplay concert and the Kiss Cam comes up, which is bad enough, right there. Yeah, the Kiss Cam comes up, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, look at these two. That's the moment.
Speaker 3:All right, Uh-oh what. Either they're having an affair or they're just very shy.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I have a question, yeah.
Speaker 3:Can you believe these two morons? First off, I'm not saying he should have done this, but like if they would have just stood there, like they would have got away with it. They would have got away if they just played it out, like just they would just kept talking. But as soon as he saw his dumb face on camera hugging her, he would, because the shame, the shame, shame.
Speaker 3:That's what it is. The shame hit right and the audio is actually hilarious because the lead singer of coldplay is like they're either having an affair or they're very shy and it turns out.
Speaker 2:You know, you know it was an affair. The second you see what I assume to be the co-worker standing right next to them with that face and so what's crazy is okay.
Speaker 3:So new uh astron astronomer CEO caught on camera with his HR chief. So she's the human relations chief who's supposed to be making sure there's no inappropriate relationships at work.
Speaker 2:As someone in HR, this does not surprise me, no.
Speaker 3:Rob's got a funny HR story from work on the locals. We'll do it on locals. Can't do it here. We'll do it on locals. I'll bring it here on locals. I'll bring it up. I'll remind you, don't worry oh, I don't know if I can do it on locals even hey, they're not locals.
Speaker 3:All right, maybe not all right. So astronomer ceo caught on camera with his hr chief during a coldplay concert in boston. The pair was seen rushing to cover their faces in horror when they realized they were on the big screen. Oh what? Either they're having an affair or they're very shy, said uh, cold plays chris martin. According to the hr chief's linkedin, she has trust with employees of all levels from.
Speaker 2:Someone's wife's water just broke right now and they're on the way to their hospital.
Speaker 3:So everyone say a couple prayers for christian, his wife and their child uh, if that's the christian I know christian's blind and I don't know who's driving the other christian I know just got married on saturday, so probably well, if this is the christian I know christian is blind. I don't know who's driving his wife to the hospital right now. I hope it's not her, because if she her broke and she's driving to the hospital, that's a rough one. A woman I mean never mind Right.
Speaker 3:A woman driving and in labor that never made me get there. Prayers for you guys, Christian.
Speaker 2:If he's blind, it might still be best for him to drive Christian don't crush it to the wind.
Speaker 3:Get behind the wheel. Don't let that woman drive you to the hospital.
Speaker 2:Let the Holy Spirit guide you, sir.
Speaker 3:Oh okay, woman driving to the hospital, let the holy spirit guide you, sir. Oh okay, he's not the blind one, just a man. You don't know me. Okay, we have a. We have a fan, christian, who's blind.
Speaker 2:So many baby. Who else is having a baby tonight?
Speaker 3:riley says so many babies tonight so, um, according to hr chief's linkedin, she has trust with employees of all levels, from ceos to managers to assistants. Now, um, they're both married. Sure she has the ceo's trust? Yeah, well, that's the irony of it, right, so, um? So now the ceo put out a statement and he says I want to acknowledge the moment that's been circulating online and the disappointment it's caused.
Speaker 3:What was supposed to be a night of music and joy turned into a deeply personal mistake playing out on a very public stage. I want to sincerely apologize to my wife, my family and the team at astronomer. You deserve better for me as a partner, as a father and as a leader. This is not who I want to be or how I want to represent the company I helped build. I'm taking time to reflect, to take accountability and to figure out the next steps, personally and professionally. I ask for privacy as I navigate this process.
Speaker 3:Now, if he had just left it there? I mean, if he had just left it there. This is why, look, you guys think I'm joking. You guys think I'm joking. You guys think I'm joking. I don't think you're joking. I think you're delusional. I need to start avoiding Babylon public relations crisis management, because I will tell you people how to handle these things, because if you would have just left it there, you would have been fine, just leave it there. But he has to throw his little quip in at the end to completely negate everything he just said, which was. I also want to express how troubling it is that what should have been a private moment became public without my you were in public you idiot.
Speaker 2:How stupid can you be? You were, were in public. It's by definition not private.
Speaker 3:Oh man, how okay. So I want to express how troubling it is that what I, what should have been a private moment, became a public without my consent. I respect artists and entertainers, but I hope we can all think more deeply about the impact of turning someone else's life into a spectacle. As a friend once saying, lights will guide you home and ignite your bones, and I will try to fix you, andy. I don't know what the hell that was that. Oh, is that andy from buzz, lightyear or something?
Speaker 2:what no?
Speaker 3:his name is andy brian oh, I thought it was like a buzz I imagine that's a quote from. Coldplay oh, maybe I need to have a PR firm. Look, if I had a PR firm, lifesite would have came out of this, where LifeSite would have had a brand new mission, and they'd have been fine, john Henry.
Speaker 2:West also. It really was just their original mission.
Speaker 3:Regardless, they both would have came out John Henry West and got out a nice solo career. Lifesite News would have been doing their thing. Everybody would have been happy. No, no, nothing bad happened. Now look, I'm going to say something else. Why?
Speaker 2:I don't know why you came up with Buzz Lightyear, Andy.
Speaker 3:I don't know, Andy was a kid know and buzz lightyear first off, it's toy story you know he was a kid in toy story.
Speaker 3:He's been here, stop it. So I'm not saying I should have done this, but I could have helped alex harado also not that I should have, but I could have, and in fact I think never mind, I won't even say but I could have. I could have helped him curate a statement. That would have salvaged something, because these people just don't understand how public perception works none of them do. They all just like everything this guy said how I want to express how troubling it is that what I, what should have been a private moment, became public without my consent. Are you out of your mind? Like you're cheating on your wife and your?
Speaker 2:your gripe is that your spot was blown well, that's similar to another statement we've heard recently.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean. Like think about your wife. Right now You're more upset that your spot was blown than what you actually did. It's not, oh my gosh, I cannot believe. Like. You destroyed two families. You, selfish POS. You destroyed two families. You ruined your children for life. Your children Look when people cheat. It's not just that the parents separate, it's that you taught your kids that if something feels good like you, go and do whatever. Feel like you don't make any sacrifice for anything. You go and do what you want to do. You make yourself feel good, screw everybody around you. You don't make any sacrifices for anybody. It's just about you Like that's just the lesson you teach your, your children. You scarred your wife. Your wife's now going to go leave and she's probably going to end up with some other guy and then she's going to get run through by man after man and now your daughters are going to watch your wife get just run through by other men and your daughters are going to have no chance at a successful and that monogamous marriage Do you know?
Speaker 2:the rates of sexual abuse by stepfathers.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, it depends on how old his kids are. Yeah, like when you talk about, when you talk about, uh, abuse in the home, a lot of it is step parents, because these women don't know the men that they're getting themselves involved with. It's not the, it's not the real father of the child. I mean, you see it all the time, especially if you have a girl who's seven or eight, when the, when the new guy comes in and then he's watching the girl become a teenager, like that's not his blood. He's sitting there. He's why he's men. Modern men are disgusting. They're disgusting creeps. Ladies, it is very difficult to find a man who is not a disgusting creep in the modern age. It just is. I mean, I don't know man, I'm so worried about my daughters, you have no idea. It's just, I'm just so worried about them.
Speaker 3:Um, but this is going to lead into a very important conversation that we're going to have on locals. We're at the one hour mark. Uh, if you guys are not local subscribers, I want you guys to come over there, even if you do a single time episode. This might be the episode you want to check out. It's going to be a good one. Um, I want to discuss. I want to discuss like something deeper's going to be a good one I want to discuss.
Speaker 3:I want to discuss like something deeper about the Alex Harado situation. Not necessarily about him, but the what is going on when we commit sexual sin. It's it's not simply just you're giving into your lower appetites. It's not simply just that you're being selfish. It's something much deeper and it's why it's why there's a very strong line for sexual sin when people are the public speaking face for Catholicism. So we're going to get into that. We're also going to Rob and I have a little bit of a different perspective on the life site thing. But I don't want to do that on locals either, because I don't want it to seem like we're taking sides. So if you guys are not Locals members, this is definitely a good show to come and check us out.
Speaker 2:I don't think we should use the other intro even then, but it was funny.
Speaker 3:No, we can do it on Locals. Taffy made a very okay, let me get it ready real quick. Get it ready, taffy. Taffy made an intro that we I'm like we can't play that, but I think we can do it for the locals audience. Yeah, we'll do it on local staff. We got you.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, we have a bit of a different perspective on the life site thing and and yeah, we'll do the gun story also, because I had a very crazy incident happen on my work site a year or two ago if you guys are new to the show where a guy was arrested at my like. We came into work one morning and SWAT was there and this, like our whole yard was getting. There was a search warrant. We were told we had to wait outside, we couldn't come in and they raided our yard and I'll explain that story. So join us over on locals. I think that's about it. That's all we have to promote, like and subscribe. Share this video with your friends. If you enjoy us, help us become the fastest growing Catholic channel on YouTube. We will see you guys on the other side. Rob, take us out, thank you.
