Avoiding Babylon
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Avoiding Babylon
John Henry Westen Out at LifeSite?
Catholic media stands at a crossroads as John Henry Westen, co-founder and face of LifeSite News, has been removed from his position by a 5-4 board vote. This shocking development comes as the Catholic world adapts to the leadership of Pope Leo XIV, with LifeSite's board explicitly citing a desire to "chart a new course" following the papal transition. For traditionalist Catholics who relied on LifeSite as a faithful voice, this raises troubling questions about the future of orthodox Catholic journalism and whether critical perspectives will continue to have prominent platforms.
The conversation turns to liturgical debates when Father Dwight Longenecker's tweet about pre-Vatican II Masses reignites familiar arguments between traditionalists and supporters of the Novus Ordo. His characterization of traditional Masses as priests "mumbling through Mass as quickly as possible while the faithful prayed the rosary" represents what many see as a standardized, possibly manufactured narrative about pre-conciliar worship. Critics note how these identical criticisms often come from those too young to remember, suggesting a kind of cultural programming rather than historical accuracy. A striking contrast emerges through a video of Andrea Bocelli performing sacred music in a church filled with people in beach attire – illustrating how liturgical form shapes behavior and reverence.
Moving beyond church politics, the show addresses disturbing trends in modern parenting, particularly regarding teenage sexuality. While discussing an extreme (likely fabricated) example of a mother encouraging her 14-year-old daughter to become pregnant, the hosts confront the very real phenomenon of parents enabling teenage sexual activity through birth control and tacit approval. This abdication of moral guidance – often justified with "they're going to do it anyway" – reflects a profound failure to love children authentically by teaching them virtue and healthy boundaries. The conversation ultimately connects these symptoms to broader cultural erosion that signals the potential collapse of our current social order, drawing parallels to previous civilizational turning points. Join our growing community of listeners seeking authentic Catholic perspectives on faith, culture, and family in challenging times.
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You know, can I look at women in church? Can I gaze at their rears, whether that's in church or at the beach? Plus-sized women at the beach, whatever, what the hell.
Speaker 2:The real Eric McCabe. Whatever, what the hell. The real eric mccabe. We will get into that one later, folks. Oh boy, will we get into that one later. I'm so excited for tonight some people, some people want to pick fights and then, and then they're like you guys are mean, I'm a victim, pick a fight, you're not gonna win. It's not a good idea. I have a lot to say tonight, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah a lot I have different from any night I've ever known no, dude, I haven't had like this much on my mind in a long time. John Henry Weston out at LifeSite oh, believe me, you guys will see. You will see, you will see my head blow off later. I got receipts. I got a lot of things we're going to go over, but I'm going to save that for locals because Rob doesn't want, rob doesn't like when we do the clickbait drama on here. It's gay. I promise you this won't be gay. I'm just telling you guys you're going to want to see this rant because I have a lot to say about this kid, a lot Because I didn't.
Speaker 3:I mean, I started off so nice with let's make sure we don't skip what the show was originally going to be about. Oh, no, no.
Speaker 2:OK, so look, here's the deal. John Henry Weston title story. We got to discuss that real quick. I mean, that's insane. We're going to talk about Father Longnecker's tweet and the the magic spell, because Cale taught us that, which is pretty cool. Like there are certain phrases that get said and they're a magic spell at that point, right. And then LifeSite ironically released an article saying Catholic priest says that effeminate men are responsible for divorce. And I wanted that to lead into the video of the woman encouraging her 14 year old daughter to get pregnant, which probably is fake, but I know real life people that are like that and I just have some venting to do. And then also I want to discuss the 32 year old kid living at home, rent-free, with his parents.
Speaker 3:Oh, my gosh, we keep.
Speaker 2:This cannot be a three-hour this is gonna be a long show and then no, and then we got a lot to get to. And then, um, uh, san antonio bishop bands communion rail. We got the quick 40 second clip of that. Uh, we got a heavy, heavy show.
Speaker 3:And then, uh, pageau, I got a pageau no rob's not gonna like but he'll actually like it with three other, three other hours worth of stuff we don't need it's going to go well with the father long necker clip with that that segment.
Speaker 2:So we got to remember that. But also, before I forget, I promised don so that his wife would um stop bugging him. Uh, the catholic land movement has uh an upcoming event. Uh, saturday, july 19th. Uh, 484 angel hill road in edmiston, new york. Join us for a day of practical workshops, speakers and fellowship at the rosa mystica, new york on july 19th great place to meet other catholic homesteaders and agrarians. So I promised not, I would give that a shout out. All right, john Henry Weston, I know what. Two plates, two plates on a bar is two, two. Two plates on a bar on each side is two, 25, two, 25. Yeah, it's two, 25. But Jason said my Jason's half I. I saw Jason tweet and I just thought his son was as shot as he was. And I just wasn't thinking the gym, I just thought his son was dumb.
Speaker 3:I do know what you mean.
Speaker 2:That was my first initial thought. He's just dumb and I'm like his kid's dumb too. I don't know it took me, I'm like 45, 45.
Speaker 1:And then, as soon as majority, it's like no one 35.
Speaker 2:yes, as soon as johnny says his cell phone, I'm like oh, the gym. Oh, all right, barbell. Um, yeah, all right. So, anyway, all right. So let's get to it.
Speaker 3:Um, very professional john henry, not an ad read.
Speaker 2:We don't have to get to an ad read yeah, we don't have any sponsors, but john henry weston's out at life site, um john henry weston is life sight like I don't, I don't know that's a good thing or bad thing well it's. It's kind of like o'keefe getting removed from project veritas. Like I don't know, I don't know how they try to move on without him. Like I don't, I don't know, he's the face of the thing he co-found.
Speaker 2:Like I find it so unnerving that somebody can found an organization and then the board can vote him out like anthony was just voted out everyone, so he just found out how you can do that and the same thing happened with father john lavo, right like he founded the coalition for canceled priests, and then the board gets together and they vote him out well, now we've all found out that they did that so that they could just spend all the money on pointless stuff crazy that story.
Speaker 3:Right like they stopped supporting priests and they they just have a million bucks in assets and cash and they just started looting it? Well, no, they, they don't. That's the thing they don't. They just don't spend it on anything, including priest yeah, it's a weird situation.
Speaker 2:I don't want to get involved over there. I don't know. I don't know what the hell's happening over there. I know a bunch of people over there. That's why it's weird. But the the thing for me is life sight is john henry to me like and john henry. Strangely, I met john henry at the coalition conference. He interviewed us and that had a very big part to do with our show blowing up. Um he, so he aired that interview of us.
Speaker 2:To be fair, he's interviewed you twice and me zero times that's true, but it was so I might be on my side I might be on life's side's board side on this no, no, no, no, you weren't available, they asked you to come on I said no no, I have to work the uh um also I I went on with catholic unscripted and it was like an awkward thing, like they wanted you on for that interview too.
Speaker 2:But it was like so last minute and it was I don't know. So you're they want the next time they interview us. They're like we want rob on next time. So it's a similar thing.
Speaker 3:It's not that they only asked me um I love how, anytime like we're doing anything with europeans, it's always us that have to like get up at 9 am on a saturday instead of making them stay up until 3 am ona weeknight it's true, um, so, um, but life site seems to be cleaning house, seems that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, like they didn't just get rid of john henry. So, um, we also.
Speaker 3:Cox was one of the reporters that that is gone um, I don't know who else um, so wait, I'm in the wrong.
Speaker 2:I'm in the wrong thing. Um, seeing that, okay. So edward welsh said john henry weston, co-founder of the conservative catholic site life site news, is out as ceo and editor-in-chief. I'm hearing from multiple sources weston was removed by a 5-4 board vote as a majority wanted to chart a new course for the site after the election of leo the 14th. Now I don't remember john henry being particularly critical of leo no great.
Speaker 3:I'll be honest, I don't follow too closely to life site or or john henry stuff, but um, oh, when I look when I talked to him because ramon and I talked to him, uh, right before it was right before I went to greece.
Speaker 2:It was right before I went to greece, it was like right after his election. Like we were both kind of like you know, we don't know what's gonna happen here. Maybe jason was right maybe jason was right.
Speaker 2:Oh, maybe he is grover. We have some theories that you are jeremiah bannister, that you're, uh, you're a secret fan of the show. Um, the I I don't remember him being, but it is kind of strange how everyone in lockstep just like jumped on the leo train like I, I understand the all right, let's give the guy a little space, but like it was kind of strange that everybody like so. I also saw uh today that um pope leo congratulated um burke. Burke, right, where is that? Uh, here it is. Uh, pope leo has written to congratulate cardinal burke on his 50th ordination anniversary and thank him for his service to the church. Pontifex thanks Burke for the earnest care he has demonstrated, most especially for the law, which has also been of good service to the casteries of the apostolic see. He has preached the precepts of the gospel according to the heart of Christ and has recounted his treasures diligently, offering his devoted service to the church universal. Which is what a contrast from the way francis see what you want about him.
Speaker 3:Maybe being a francis to uncertain things, francis would never have. Never about anyone, right?
Speaker 2:francis didn't like anyone um, yeah, look, I look the thing is like LifeSite News. I guess they would have to do a total rebrand because they had a very particular brand right. It's kind of like the Carnival Cruise thing, which I definitely want to talk about too. Like Carnival Cruise is no longer allowing rap music, they're no longer allowing fans.
Speaker 3:It's funny because, kind of their, their original brand was boomers, they're dying. So then they got a different clientele and now they have to ban them. So now who's going to go on cruises?
Speaker 2:well, it's carnival is the cheap cruise? Oh man, we can't, are they? This is just too much.
Speaker 3:I despise the whole idea of them, to be honest, yeah they're.
Speaker 2:They're a very particular boomers. Boomers tend to go on cruise, but boomers also tend to watch, like watch life site news stuff, right, yeah, but I don't think the other carnival clientele watch life site no, I don't, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:But okay, but life site, let's stick with life site. So they, are they going to just go like the national catholic register route? Like isn't there plenty of those already? Like I think what john henry did was kind of stand out in the crowd of all of the because they leaned more trad. So I don't know what life site plans to do without john henry and all of those reporters that kind of were critical of of things happening in Rome.
Speaker 3:I mean the whole market for Catholic media seems pretty saturated Like. Don't you think, like, whether it's the, the left cast or your, your middle of the road or your trads, like there's just so much so to take, take a brand that had a, a niche, try to change? It seems pretty wild to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there is so much Catholic media out there now. It's not like it was like five six years ago. Even Like five six years ago. You could jump in this game and you could get a footing. It really is such a different world now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now you have a thousand Eric McCabe's.
Speaker 2:Which is it's? It really is such a different world now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now you have a thousand eric mccabe's, the which is we gotta save that, like I really don't have to save that because I have so much to say?
Speaker 2:because, like, I almost respect the tactic of going after the bigger show, but just the way he went about it was just so despicable. Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they're gonna. I don't know because, like, what happens to like the bishop strickland's now, like what? What happens to the guys who are what, like, where is the place for that traditional catholic still critical of the, like all of the changes as vatican too, like I'm still like I may not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, leo's, not francis. But like the war wasn't really about francis, francis was like a symptom of the real problems. Like francis just made it personal, yeah, right, but like all the issues that we are concerned with are still there. It's just you're like I don't, I don't know, like is it is everything going to go back to like it was under Benedict, where everybody's just like hermeneutic of continuity and I don't know, it's a, it's a weird thing, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look even for, even for us, right, like the, the, the, the last show, we did it. Like I'm we're getting away from like specifically catholic news other than like this opening segment and we're more getting into like, okay, this clip can inspire a conversation, like we did the um, the uh, the, the colombian cathedral segment. We did um, there was like segments that we did where it's like, okay, look, we're not gonna do church stuff specifically, but we'll do stuff that has to do with catholicism and that'll spur on a conversation like I think that's more the direction this show is going to go, until we do like deeper interviews and stuff, but like I'm totally fine, not doing.
Speaker 3:That's what the show was until.
Speaker 2:Until france has had something, until fiducia, fiducia supplicants yeah, basically fiducia supplicants yeah so I don't know what life site is going to like. Are they just going to be a generic catholic news site like I don't, like you need a person more boring than it's kind of like daily. It's kind of like daily wire. Trying to give the comment section over to that other girl I don't know what you're talking about. So Brett Brett was, was her name Brett Cooper? No idea, oh man, you are the worst. You don't know anything.
Speaker 2:Okay, cooper was, I do know, but I didn't want to Brett Cooper was at the daily wire and she had the comment section and they fired her and gave the. They gave the gig to another girl, right she was moderator and they fired her from the club. Something like that. So Brett Cooper goes in and tries to fill this spot and when I tell you, the show tanked like Brett Cooper was getting hundreds of thousands of views and she leaves and the other girl takes over and it goes down to lower views than our channel.
Speaker 3:Like, no joke, Like how low A Daily Wire?
Speaker 2:show getting lower views than us, like no joke. Like how low you a Daily Wire show getting lower views than us, like embarrassingly bad. But even this new girl they just hired what was that girl that you just brought?
Speaker 3:up Isabel Brown.
Speaker 2:Isabel Brown gets the same views we get, like our show is in contention with shows that the Daily Wire is picking up. It's kind of bizarre. It's very strange, so they thought they could just replace it. What I'm trying to say is life site is personality driven.
Speaker 3:It is a very specific group of people that enjoy that content. They love bishop strickland. I mean, if you would ask me name one person, a life site other than john henry weston, I would have said kennedy hall three or four years ago, right for a couple of articles. Well, I know a few of the reporters yeah, but I wouldn't have been able to name them.
Speaker 2:Right, they're not like the face of the thing, so it's I don't know. I don't know they're going to have to find like everything now is so personality driven. It's not about putting out good news stories necessarily. It's like I like Edward Penton, so I read Edward Penton. Good news stories necessarily. It's like I I like edward penton, so I read edward penton. I don't just read generic catholic news anymore, I don't. It's, it's like you. Everything is personality driven now so I don't know what they're going to do seems kind of a strange move for me. I don't know. I and especially since they could have probably done it amicably like you, can't just release a press statement like this, like the press statement they released, the way they went about it, this is, this is how they, this is what they release. Hang on, where is it? I?
Speaker 3:don't know. It's in the list of 40 things you sent me today all right.
Speaker 2:Life site announces that john henry weston is no longer ceo and editor-in-chief following a recent board vote. He is now in a well-earned sabbatical, spending valuable time with his family. We acknowledge the significant online speculation surrounding this decision, but wish to clarify that much of it is inaccurate. The board's decision was made after careful consideration, extensive prayer and a commitment to best serve our donors, readers and employees, guided by numerous factors aligned with our mission, and a commitment to best serve our donors, readers and employees, guided by numerous factors aligned with our mission and a commitment to best serve our donors, readers and employees guide by guided by numerous factors aligned with our mission. We express our heartfelt gratitude to John Henry for his many years of dedicated service to life site news and the pro-life cause. We wish him well during his sabbatical and ask for continued prayers for our organization as we move forward. I texted him.
Speaker 3:He's calling it a sabbatical is kind of wild. It makes it sound like he's dying, it's just, instead of being fired.
Speaker 2:Look, john Henry was good to us, so I'm not. You know I am. If he gets on his own feet, I'm going to help him out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not that he needs our help.
Speaker 2:Mike Lewis saying who is that YG Nightstorm should be interim CEO. I don't know that name. So I mean, like I said, none of this matters. Like John Henry was the like. The thing is he'll go and start the John Henry Weston show and it will be the size of LifeSite News because he's going to take his audience with him and LifeSite is going to plummet. Wasn't that show name life site so life site got banned from youtube years ago right, they might.
Speaker 2:Oh, they own it, they might they probably own it, just like candace owens, like like she didn't own her show name, just like brett cooper didn't own the comments section. Yeah, that's a good point. It's possible. I don't know, because he was like co-founder, so it's like he probably never thought something like this could happen. So yeah, I don't know, it's a big deal. So, all right, well, our prayers go with John Henry. I don't know what LifeSite is thinking. They'd have been better off starting a new venture and just leaving him to take over over there, I guess.
Speaker 3:But I mean the fact that they mentioned donors. Clearly, I mean all these. You know, all these organizations are really run by whoever's donating the most money.
Speaker 2:So I bet you they're gonna lose all of their donors without John Henry.
Speaker 3:It's one of those things. So when I worked for a nonprofit it was a symphony orchestra, right, like yeah, ticket sales and stuff were important. We could have not sold a single ticket to two shows and still been just fine because of endowments from rich millionaires who had died 10, 20 years ago and like we were written into their perpetual endowment. So you know, there are organizations like that that literally one or two donors you know provide like 80, 90 of the what do you think of this?
Speaker 2:You should think out loud what might cause donors to freak out.
Speaker 3:I can't say that on this side of the show. I could say that over in locals you think so I mean think of what happened with our friends across the pond.
Speaker 2:Wow, man, holy cow, they're everywhere. Wow, man, holy cow, they're everywhere. They're everywhere. I don't know what to do not yet, guys not yet. Yeah, we'll do it on locals come on alright, let's do it on the locals we'll do it on locals.
Speaker 3:We got a lot to cover tonight.
Speaker 2:Go deeper tunnels, kale all right, stop, stop, stop, stop. That's not this youtube rob. What's going on? What's the matter with you? Um, all right, let's do father long and eckers tweet let's bring that okay, that's only 30 messages back um. Okay, I got it on my end.
Speaker 3:Oh great, you got it, do you?
Speaker 2:know how to share your screen. I do, but I leave that to you, you're better Okay. Father Dwight Longenecker, who has me blocked, and I don't know why I like him. I think I'm blocked too, but I'll be honest.
Speaker 3:I don't really like him.
Speaker 2:I don't think he blocked me because he doesn't like me.
Speaker 3:I think you know, like you think, those are obnoxious related, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think some people are annoying, but I still like them. I'm weird, though, so who knows? Uh, all right so but I do like you. I don't. I don't think father longnecker meant this in the way I took it. So if you were to travel back to an ordinary catholic mass in the 1950s, it would not be very much like the highly ornate, beautiful aesthetic traditionalism of today that that first tweet, I don't even get it because, like my tlm is not highly ornate no, it's in an ugly.
Speaker 2:Novice ordo church I went to a church in the round yeah, I went.
Speaker 2:It's very similar. It's like half in the round a low mass that I went to on sunday and I I actually like the less ornate, quiet low mass. I prefer low masses too, to be honest. I prefer it like it's, and I I actually like the less ornate, quiet low mass. I prefer low masses too, to be honest, I prefer it like it's silent. I was able to pray and like gather my thoughts from what the old timers tell us. It was a matter of father of finnegan strolling out and mumbling through his mask as quickly as possible while the faithful knelt and said and prayed the rosary.
Speaker 3:I just want to point out that's his ex-Anglican English hatred of Irish, right there.
Speaker 2:So Father O'Finnegan strolling out, mumbling through the mass as quickly as possible while the faithful knelt and prayed the rosary. Meanwhile, the altar boys were betting if Father could set a new speed record. This freaking phrase, specifically, has been on repeat. It's the only criticism I have ever seen of the pre-conciliar liturgy.
Speaker 3:I have never seen another criticism of the pre-conciliar liturgy nor, nor have I ever seen any evidence supporting any of what he just said so so like.
Speaker 2:So my response was uh, oh man, why did it screenshot that? It's got that stupid thing over it. I can't what. Oh, there it goes, never mind from what the old timers tell us. You mean the revolutionaries who destroyed what was handed down to them. I'll still take the least ornate low mass with parishioners who pray the rosary of the nova sordo, but you had said something I I should have put your tweet in because you said I can, I can find my own, yeah, find yours, because you. You're talking about being hearsay, like it's not even oh yeah, so I?
Speaker 3:I that was a reply like 20 replies down, but no, it's exactly hearsay. Um, the tweet that I, that I tweeted was more like you, you know, you have, you have someone to say that they're like, oh well, did you see any, any masses like that, you know, and obviously they're too young, like no, but they're like oh well, they told me I can't see any any like actual statements from primary sources that you know that of someone who saw that. No, but my, my, my aunt ethel, told me once, your aunt ethel, who was like eight at the time and like, come on, they never can actually show any of what they claim.
Speaker 2:So eric sammons wrote uh, when I was working in florida diocese dominated by uh, boomer era cath, I noticed that every story I heard from them about the bad old days of pre-Vatican II Catholicism sounded eerily the same, down to even the exact same phrasing. At times it was clearly a sign of brainwashing. Some of them weren't even old enough to remember much of the 50s Catholicism, but they would assure me they experienced how bad it was and how I was too young to understand. Once that brainwash narrative goes away with the next generation, we'll be fully able to move forward.
Speaker 2:Now this is like almost exactly what happened when my dad watched my show when we were criticizing the boomers the other day, and he said to me he's like I remember the latin mass. It was all stuffy and we couldn't even understand what was going on. Remember, and it was like you just said the same exact thing that you were told to say. Like you were told to say that and you and you like registered it in and it's stuck with you, and like you're just repeating the thing they told you to say, because they all say the same thing, and like they show how ignorant they are about the TLM when they say that.
Speaker 3:Because what do you mean Mumbling the mass is, sid quietly, you cannot hear the priest anyways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, mass is said quietly. You cannot hear the priest anyways. Yeah, yeah, it's so strange. Like you don't know if his latin was right. You didn't speak latin anyway. How do you know if he was mumbling?
Speaker 3:it. We didn't know what they mean. Did you not know how to read english? Because, like latin english, missiles were all over the place it's also the era of the, the uh.
Speaker 2:Like the, the radio is invented in. Like the. What the when is invented in. Like the. What the when is the radio invented. Like the early twenties.
Speaker 3:Dude, it's invented by an Italian and you don't even know when it's invented.
Speaker 2:I know it's like the early 1900s, Like where you, but where you start getting like real radio programs and like I mean in America, the radio was in almost every household by like the 30s by like late, you know 1920s, 1930s.
Speaker 2:Now by the time the 50s comes, now you have the television and the television is this magic box that beams programming into your home. It was like this new tool for brainwashing people. Commercial radio is the 30s, okay, so that's when you get like little orphan annie and things like that, and and then you get the television comes in. Like this new tool that they come out with is this mass propaganda tool and they use it to brainwash an entire generation into just completely upending everything and thinking they needed a cultural revolution. But it's so good that they make them think it's a grassroots thing, but they're manipulating the whole thing the entire time. We saw it happen with the BLm riots and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Like every single thing is manipulated there's money that goes into the protests and there's money that goes into everything, but they all think it's this. Yeah, we're a generation of revolution. This revolution carries on into the council and and that same propaganda machine that they use on the culture, they use on the same people that are going into the council and everybody comes out spewing the same stuff and it's it. This whole thing neuters the church, dismantles sexual ethics and destroys the family. Everything is like intended to upend christian society and it just happened and it's still happening today. And even like these wars that we're having between the, the trads and the novice ordos and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Like half of it's manufactured on social media. You go to a parish and you don't see that on the ground. It's just. You know, we're over here arguing for it because we're fighting with bots. Um, the church was growing in the us during the 40s and 50s. Bishop fulton sheen was on, uh on, if not the most popular public figure, one of, if not the most popular public figure, one of, if not the most popular figure on TV. Their catchphrases are copes to justify the radical change. You can't separate the massive cultural change that comes in, apart from the technology that comes into play.
Speaker 1:And it's the same thing with the internet.
Speaker 2:We're dealing with the same thing right now. We're about to come up on another cultural revolution and they're using the new technology that's being fed to feed this revolution. And we're all going to think because I was talking about this with my, my cousin, last night just how, getting into the same conversation we always do about, like, the next generation not being able to afford housing, like, so I mean, this could feed into the 32 year old video you want to throw that on. It's a good segue, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Are we done with this part yet?
Speaker 2:Well, it's just? No, I guess not. Yeah, it's. It's just the same tired cope that we always hear from the same people that argue against the traditional liturgy. It's like I have seen on the ground, like I spent my life in the Novus Ordo.
Speaker 3:Don't tell me, Because people will say like, oh, like my parents, my parents, aunts, uncles, they're all boomers who if they go to mass, you know it's nominal at best, and they all thought they were raised in a catholic school and you know, and they have all the stories about nuns beating them and they had to go to public school for science because no one at the catholic school.
Speaker 2:Even the nuns beat us. I don't believe any of you.
Speaker 3:I don't believe the nuns beat you guys, I think you're liars and you know what somebody told you the nuns hit you and you just view that nonsense if they did good, they should have hit you harder and like I don't like you, really like grown men complaining.
Speaker 2:The nuns hit you, stop it. My mom hit me all the time when I was younger. I never hurt. I used to laugh at her. She gets so mad well it's, it's like.
Speaker 3:It's like the light version of the, the residential school story in canada, and the, the babies and the septic tank in ireland, and how they have proven to be 100 false each and every time. So you know what you dying old boomer, I don't care if the nuns hit you anything, I just don't believe you yeah, cal, more hearsay.
Speaker 2:Your classmates got hit. You didn't though, right? Yeah, sure no, they came out and they told you they did what happened. The nun smacked them on the hand with the ruler knock it off. Can you guys stop?
Speaker 3:well, that stuff was happening in public schools too. You know what I seriously get over it.
Speaker 2:What's the matter with everybody?
Speaker 3:oh, the nun hit me.
Speaker 2:Oh, cameron's on her show. Look at this guy, cameron, I'd love to get you on and just hang one night. I know we were kind of cut out of the whole cool, cool track it would actually be interesting to go back when the documentary was made, but it'd be interesting to hear his take on this subject actually yeah, it's
Speaker 2:just he's seen any actual evidence of of the claims I think I just think it's so bizarre that, like because there's the same catchphrases that you hear over and over, like even the like, everything we're saying the nuns hit us all this like I don't think any of this stuff happened. And the reason I don't think it is because when they tell me that a the residential school thing in canada happened was, and then you find out it's nonsense you hear about the irish, the stories over in ireland, and you find that, nah, that's nonsense too. Like how much of the stuff you were told about the horrible state of the church before the council is just propaganda that you were fed through through tv. So like 100 right. So me and my wife watched this series about these. It was about an Irish, these Irish nuns who were dealing with children being adopted, and this woman she was a teenage girl and she got pregnant and she went to the nuns for help and they basically adopted her child away and told her her child died. And I'm like we watched this thing and I'm just like my wife's, like this is horrible, did this happen? I'm like this didn't happen, this didn't happen. Like we're watching something to make us angry at something that never happened.
Speaker 2:It's like all of it. It's just just anti-Catholic propaganda. I don't believe any of it. It's just just anti-Catholic propaganda. I don't believe any of it. And it's all going to come back to those donors pressure people. It's just, I just think. I just think all of it is nonsense. Like I don't see any evidence of I. I I grew up in the Novus Ordo. I went to two Novus Ordo masses last month because I had to. I know what it is. You guys can't fool me. I'm not like some rad trad who grew up in the sspx and I just like I know what it is. I know, I spent a lot of time there.
Speaker 3:Like I was an altar boy. I went through ccd yeah, like don't try to net.
Speaker 1:I went to the steubenville conferences.
Speaker 2:I know guys it's not good, like stop it. I know it's like man, we're gonna get into it. Set up a con, they said, and stuff with that eric mccabe guy too. It's just, uh, why did I go to the novus ordo? Um, I I'm not, like, I don't think, like the novus ordo isn't the mass I don't know. Like, if I have to go, I'll go.
Speaker 3:I don't like it, but I will like um anthony knows what he was talking about, because he was beat by novus ordo no traditional nuns ever hit me.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you that I don't know man. I just don't believe any of it.
Speaker 3:Maybe some of it did happen, and I'm just jaded and cynical at this point, but I just like the one piece of evidence they ever show right of the bad TLMs is the Kennedy funeral. Evidence they ever show right of of the bad tlms is the kennedy funeral. It's like oh you're so, you're telling me that that a cardinal who, who went to vatican to and probably was one of the revolutionaries, said a bad latin mass. Oh well, yeah, of course he did come on yeah, what did what actually?
Speaker 2:I've never actually watched that video. What is so bad about it?
Speaker 3:he can't pronounce latin he can't say Latin at all.
Speaker 2:Now, if a priest's Latin is, I don't even care.
Speaker 3:I know what you're going to. People were saying that it could invalidate the Mass. I looked it up and St Thomas does talk about how if the priest says the word in such a way where it cannot be understood as the word you know, as the words of like consecration, yeah, it could invalidate the mass. Like if they're changing like the prefix of the word in latin right and saying like mother instead of father, yeah that, yeah, that invalidates the Mass. If they're putting like the wrong suffixes and declinations and stuff, that doesn't invalidate the Mass.
Speaker 3:They're also reading out of the Missal Reading the card that's right in front of them. Right, it's like all right.
Speaker 2:so you mispronounce something. It's not the same thing as, like changing the words of consecration, like you can mispronounce something.
Speaker 3:I the words of consecration. Like you can mispronounce something I've literally seen and heard novus ordo priest ad lib consecration. So you know what.
Speaker 2:I'm not all that worried about some yeah, I'm tired of hearing like there was look okay, so there was like a push for a liturgical reform because maybe things were getting a little stale. I'll give you that like, yeah, okay. So I gotta be honest, I sometimes I go to a high mass and it's an hour and 40 minutes and I'm like I wish we kind of got one of those speedy mumble through the mass and got me out there quicker. Like I'm not. I'm not so averse to a 40 minute mass, it's not. I'm not like I'm okay with a 40 minute, I'm okay with a 35 minute novus ordo daily mass, like it's okay, that's another thing.
Speaker 3:Like like everyone who says oh, half hour low masses, you guys never gone to daily mass daily mass is 35 minutes of music.
Speaker 2:It's nothing. You just go, you're one reading.
Speaker 3:Nope, you know, maybe a sentence or two for a homily like that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2:Give me a break and it's like, and it's like you actually like that, like who come on listen?
Speaker 3:like, like obviously we don't want the mass to be a little quicker, come on I understand a high mass with a beautiful choir obviously is is more pleasing to god. Right, I I understand that. But if, if, like, if we're talking simply about preferences which you know, everyone says our t, the tlm, is just our preference, it's like no, it's theologically just better. But if we were talking about preferences, I don't need to sit through some choir chanting the gloria.
Speaker 2:I really don't, or the creator, just give me the low I'm gonna show you exactly what the problem is with what we're talking about and play this video. I just sent it play this video because this is this is what I'm talking about. Let's play this. This is what we're talking about, right here what's with the circus organ? We don't have to play the whole thing, but andrea bocelli singing the Ave Maria Beautiful, beautiful. He's in beach clothes. He's not the only one, every single person there is in beach clothes.
Speaker 2:You look at the woman. The woman's wearing a tank top and shorts and it's like there comes a certain point where you have to say there's something so informal about the Novus Ordo that you feel normal going in your beach clothes to it, but there's something so transcendent about the Latin Mass that you wouldn't dare go in wearing beach clothes. And it's not just because you'll be looked at. You feel like you're going to something formal. You feel like you're going to something otherworldly.
Speaker 2:I'm just literally going to say otherworldly. The liturgy itself is so informal that people will go in their pajama. Now, look, I've gone to a Latin, daily Latin mass where I'm going from work and I'm in my work clothes, but you feel out of place, like you don't, you don't, and it's also a daily mass, it's not a Sunday mass, it's like. But the liturgy itself is this informal. Hey, mass, it's like. But the liturgy itself is this informal. Hey, we're just coming together for a meal. Everybody just let's shake hands and let's get to meet each other. It's like it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't display what it claims to be, which is where heaven meets earth, the holy sacrifice of calvary. It just doesn't engender that in any way whatsoever. So I mean you can't and and it's like, and they're not even like dressed that bad. Those people like they're dressed in nice shorts and better than most novus ordo masks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 2:Like like I've seen girls in yoga pants and tank tops and it's like, like it's just baffling to me that people can't see. I see it, I see it. Don't tell me my eyes aren't seeing what I'm seeing. I see it, mm-hmm, um, yes, it's a protestant way of worship. Of course, it is like it just is um. Could you have john farrell?
Speaker 2:from annulment proof on the show. No, absolutely not. I don't even know who he is, I just know, uh, everybody keeps bugging us. I really don't know who he is. Uh, yeah, no, that's what they're telling me. Don't believe your lying eyes. Don't believe your lying eyes, like I, I know, I see it every week yoga pants every week. It's the same thing and it's just. You see, people go receive communion. They rush out the door. It's just and it's not. I'm not even knocking the people because they it's not like, like. It's really not the people wearing the clothes that are the problem, it's the liturgy itself tells them it's totally fine to do and there's no reason for them to think otherwise. It's like people really are just going, they want to get in, they want to get out.
Speaker 2:They just want to go do that, you know, so they can say they fulfilled this on the obligation and get it over with it. Kind of just, is that, I don't know. All right, we'll just be seen as the evil, evil trads who hate the nova sordo. I guess, what are you gonna do? All right, we got 20 minutes left. I want to do two clips. I want to do this crazy broad, hit the button, so you know it's a segment change. I want.
Speaker 3:All right, so I know, so you know yeah, we never have videos of women when they are being sane. So you can't say we want to play the clip of the crazy broad, because all women are.
Speaker 2:There are clips of crazy broad, don't exactly do much to elevate women on this show. I will say that is correct. We'll have to do a segment on, like a positive segment on women soon. Hold your breath, guys, it'll be soon. I promise Not that soon, but it'll be soon. I promise not that soon, but it'll be soon. Stop it, I don't like being on by myself. All right, let's get this. Let's get this crazy crazy lady on. I'm fairly certain this video is a troll, right?
Speaker 3:with the point. Will that stop?
Speaker 2:us from talking about it? Absolutely no, because it spurs a conversation on. I'm fairly certain the video is fake. I mean I, I mean I can't believe this woman is this nuts.
Speaker 3:It's a good thing, you guys, that Anthony doesn't know how to make fake AI videos, because instead of us talking about his tweets all day, we'd be talking about fake videos he made all day.
Speaker 2:So the video itself could be fake, but it doesn't change what my thoughts on it are, because there are mothers doing this, maybe not this explicitly, but I know personally mothers who encourage their children to have sex out of wedlock in their teens, like, I actually know people who are doing it and I think it's nuts. I actually know people who are doing it and I think it's nuts.
Speaker 1:My 14 year old is officially pregnant and having a child, before you guys come for me. She has been in a relationship since she was 12 with the same guy. He is also 14. Okay, so I don't want to hear any of that weird stuff. Okay, so at first I was a little taken back when she said that her and her boyfriend were trying for a baby because she's 14. And I was like, girl, like you can't handle a baby at that age. But she knows, I really love puppies and I really love kids.
Speaker 2:It's clearly things.
Speaker 1:She thinks she's ready and that she's mature and she's a lot more mature than the kids in her class that she's been with him for two years and that they think that they're ready. And I brought up the concern like, hey, you're in school, how are you supposed to go to school? And she said well, mom, you love kids. You can watch my baby during the day all right, it's clearly fake, right it's.
Speaker 2:It's clearly a troll. Why?
Speaker 3:why are we watching this?
Speaker 2:because I have, because it's going to spur on a conversation. That's why the point of these videos is to spur a conversation. I know when we uh like when my wife and I were talking to uh like friends of ours about our kids and how we're teaching our kids abstinence and my daughters are not on birth control and things like that Like they laughed at us. They laughed at us. And we are talking about people who buy their teenagers condoms and give their get their daughters on birth control. I know one mother who's worried that her son is same sex attracted so she is letting him have girls sleep over and and giving them alcohol at 15, 16 years old, hoping that her son sleeps with the girl. Because like this is, this is psychotic behavior and and this look there's, I would say, like 90 of your average parent right now like are bringing their daughters to get on birth control going. Well, you know, you just can't control what your kids are doing. They're just going to do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 3:They may as well just be safe about it I hold nothing but but true, true scorn for any parent like that like not yeah, it's not a lack of respect, it's, it's way deeper than that. Like honestly, oh I don't, I can't even say no, you actually hate your children.
Speaker 2:You hate your children because, no matter what you say to them at that point, if you're doing that, you're saying I'm going to say this thing to you, but I know you're not going to listen and you're going to go do what you want to do. And it's not just that.
Speaker 3:Like I know, there are it would be better for you to give, give your child crack heroin, right, like you're, like, you're, you're, you're.
Speaker 2:There are mothers who talk to their teenage daughters about the boys they've been with, and like it's, it's insanity, like we are living in a time that is so debauched and disgusting, like I saw um. There's this protestant woman who went on um, went on a podcast with a, a gay guy who, uh, had a. He had a surrogate child, like they, you know, they did ivf with his partner and they had a child. And it's like we see, like most of these conversations are being had by women and they're, they're doing the, the, the pro-life women's approach, and it's like a child has a right to their mother and it's like, yes, that's true, as far as it goes, they do. Like a child has a right to their mother. And, yes, there are babies that get killed in IVF. But like they're missing the bigger picture, one that sodomy is reprehensible, like it's disgusting like it's just reprehensible, right?
Speaker 3:that's first off. Second off did you see all the brats today saying, oh uh, having gay sex is just as like immoral as having premarital sex?
Speaker 2:there should be people they don't understand natural law whatsoever, like they don't understand disordered natural law whatsoever so like, but getting to that disordered lifestyle, like what you're doing.
Speaker 2:When you bring a child into that, you are giving them zero chance at a healthy monogamous relationship for the rest of their life like almost a zero chance. Like, unless they have like a true conversion to christ, because what you're doing is you're bringing a child into an environment that is so disordered that you're, you're, you're basically setting up with this mother in this troll video is doing for whatever kid you bring into that, because you're setting sex up as like it's just this thing for pleasure, go do with whoever you want. And they're encouraging these kids to experiment in wild and insane ways. Because every one of these people are activists and they want to parade their lgb, whatever kid around as if it's a toy, like they're all munchausen syndrome by proxy lunatics, all of them there will be studies done in the future on like what the hell happened to these couple generations of women that literally made them all clinically insane I, I, I think maybe that will happen, but it'll be far too late by then.
Speaker 3:But I think oh no, yeah, it's gonna be like 200 years far too late by then, right.
Speaker 2:But I think it's going to be like 200 years, far too late by then, right. But I really do think this has a lot to do with even allowing women to have these conversations in the pro-life movement, like it's it's so worried about, like saying the real issue that's happening, and it's like like yeah, ivf is gross because it commodifies kids. That's like a little tiny segment. It's like you're going to put a child with two men who do the most disgusting act imaginable. Like how can you, how can we as a society be OK with this? It's so insane. Yeah, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't know how that conversation gets changed. I don't know, because I I'm telling I like I've watched a couple of these episodes and like I I'm not even knocking the woman who had the conversation, cause it is very difficult to have a conversation with somebody when you're telling them what they do is wrong, right, like it's not.
Speaker 3:And I think that's the only way. I think that's the only thing we can do. We, I mean, and we're going to lose friends. Like we got to start shaming people, dude. Yeah, Well, look, I don't care if you've been my family friend for forever. You did what. You talk about what with your daughter? No, fuck off, I don't want you around my family anymore.
Speaker 2:You don't get to be around my kids, you disgusting pervert. It's something. It's just something's got to change in the conversation because it's getting so out of hand. I have a. I have a uh, somebody I was speaking to recently who struggled with same-sex attraction and they and like they had like a total conversion and now they're sorry for swearing everyone. Yeah, I, I think it was just a, it wasn't like you were yeah, it wasn't like a tim gordon swear for the sake of swearing, I think you were.
Speaker 2:I think you were just a. It wasn't like you were. Yeah, it wasn't like a tim gordon swear for the sake of swearing, I think you were. I think you were just welled up with emotion at the moment. But, um, I, uh, I I have.
Speaker 2:I have somebody I spoke with recently who, like, got out of that lifestyle and I'm trying to be vague because I don't want to say who it was but, um, they now work, um, they, they now work in in the field of, um, like, counseling, and he was. He was going through this training for the counseling and in the training program, the, the, the trainer brought up Pope Francis and fiducia supplicants and he went nuts and he's like, like it, just, it just completely set him off. He's like you have no idea how enraging it was to sit there and listen to this person tell me how like I'm. I'm going through this training program on counseling and they're telling me how the church is okay with this kind of stuff. Now you talk about Jason again, jason and his daughter who can only put up 135 pounds. I'm kidding, I'm only kidding. Yeah, it's just I, I'm, I don't know I it just gets harder and harder to watch these conversations happening because they're not being had properly. And I don't know, I'm not afraid, I don't know if I feel comfortable having a sit down with a well-known married gay man. I mean I probably would just have to lose it and just be like you're disgusting, you're gross, like the fact that conservatives let a guy like Dave Rubin into the inner circle, like you people are. You people have no shame. Like what are you doing? How are you? How are you making him a voice in conservatism?
Speaker 2:I saw kale going off about Jordan Peterson talking to David French and he's like he's like Jordan Peterson is just like a slave to his podcast at daily wire now but it's like all right. So jordan peterson trying to normalize david french into conservative conversations. But it's like somebody normalized jordan peterson maybe I helped with that. You did him into conservative conversations because he's always been a lib and you and the thing is it. Things were so crazy when when things like 2015 to 2018, things were so insane that, like a guy coming in and going clean your room, it was like whoa, he's so dry. It's like clean your room, stand up straight and that, and like we all bought it and it's like that's how bad things were. The look. I do think jordan peterson had some valuable things to add to the conversation, but it's like these are libs who just think the trans wardrobe was not one of them. No, it wasn't, but these are.
Speaker 2:These are just like liberals who think like the gender stuff went crazy and like any, but like we, with james lindsey, all these guys, these are just libs who were like they're just 2012, libs they're not like the gender stuff went too crazy, so like they spoke out against gender stuff and we all thought like, oh, these are good guys and it's like, no, they're not, they're not, they're still libs, yeah, and and now we've, they've, they've trojan horse their way into the conservative movement and now we have the overton window is shifted so freaking far at this point it's just nuts we're gonna have to stop playing the game, you know, I mean like we're gonna have to with the, the structures that we have in society today, we will not be able to get back to a place of sanity.
Speaker 3:You know we're not going to vote our way out of this. You're not going to. It doesn't matter how many so-called conservatives you get on your local school board or on your local city council, or none of that's going to work.
Speaker 2:I think that they're orchestrating another revolution, though, like I really do. I think they're manipulating into another, because this current system can't go on the way it is. God can't allow it to. It's just too degenerate at this point. Right, like God is at a certain point of a father. Like somebody just said, if you spare your child the rod, you're like right, where did they put that? Uh, this, this goes for God as well. Like, spare the rod, spoil the child. Like God has spared the rod for too long. Like something needs to happen at this point, and it's I was talking to my cousin last night about it it's like okay, so it's going to be something. Like the remnants of what are going on now will be included. Just kind of like the Roman Empire when it collapsed, like Christianity kind of picked up the pieces and built something after. Like something's got to be built after this. Like this current thing just can't continue. I mean, so it's on its last gasp and it's spitting on fumes right now and it's there's not much left to it.
Speaker 3:I don't know when that happens or how soon, but well, it was like the, the, the political order a hundred, 110 years ago, right going into world war one. I mean, it was on its last gas, the world order that had been built at the end of the Napoleonic Wars. It barely survived the revolutions of 1848. Somehow survived that. Then you had the Italian unification and the German unification, but it was on its last, last legs.
Speaker 3:They're going into into the 1910s and, and every country felt it, every country was hungry for, for war, right, they, they were ecstatic when world war one finally kicked off. You know, there they were, they were ecstatic, there was parades, there were celebrations, the, the, you know, they were ready for that world to end and it did. Obviously, I mean World War. I was like a European suicide, it was a suicide of Christendom, basically, right. And you had the US come in and you had the US kick out the Habsburgs, and you had Germany working to overthrow the Tsar, and then, of course, we worked to overthrow the Kaiser, you know. And then you had this hollow shell of Europe that limped along until, you know, some certain peoples tried to.
Speaker 3:Tried to bring some pride back to their nation right and did so maybe in very poor ways, maybe some poor decision but what I mean world war ii was was an attempt, was an attempt by both sides by one side to finish what had been started and by the other to rectify something right now. Now you, the, the germans and italians, they weren't wanting necessarily to get back to, to christianity, obviously yeah, yeah, it was a secular movement.
Speaker 3:Right it was. It was a secular nationalism, um, which is is can be very dangerous, but, but they were trying to write the right to rectify what they saw were the wrongs. Yeah, and now look at the world we're living in now.
Speaker 2:I think something's going to happen. I see Trump is now on board with oh, we've got to get Ukraine more weapons.
Speaker 3:It's like dude, what you were the guy telling us you'd have this thing wrapped up on day one. Now you're talking about.
Speaker 2:We've got to get more money to Ukraine.
Speaker 3:While he berates us for why we're still asking about Epstein.
Speaker 2:Oh man, People are still on the Trump train.
Speaker 1:I don't get you guys, I don't get it either.
Speaker 2:I don't get you guys. I don't know. You guys are still going to try and convince me that Trump is the guy we voted for. Stop it, you guys are all out of your minds. All right, we're going to go. Look when I tell you I have a lot to say. We are going to get into the real Eric McCabe. I think I put a teaser in there, right, Rob? Put a teaser.
Speaker 3:What do you mean? You put a teaser.
Speaker 2:I wrote teaser for locals. I put teaser for locals.
Speaker 3:The list of things you sent me is this long. You want me to find the one that says teaser.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a video and I wrote teaser for locals.
Speaker 3:Is it the one with Sede Picante?
Speaker 2:No, it's right under that.
Speaker 3:Give me a second yeah.
Speaker 2:Amnesty's coming. Oh, here's. You got it right. So this is the teaser, guys, this is what we're going to get into anytime, anywhere, dude that's I mean.
Speaker 1:With all due respect, what would we talk about liturgy? Street style okay, I'm gonna kill, I'm gonna kill it to everything but locals.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't that be a waste of our time? This kid picked the fight.
Speaker 3:He picked the fight I was so glad we get to that was so nice it was so nice.
Speaker 2:Do I have the nice video? You guys are gonna miss a good one if you're not a local subscriber let me, let me get everyone the link I'm just telling you guys you're gonna miss a good one, because I have quite a bit to say, quite a quite a bit to say if you all missed the time anthony told lofton he was gay and should stop it oh, this is gonna be way worse than lofton.
Speaker 2:oh, this is gonna be worse than lofton because it didn't have to be this way. It didn't have to be. Why are you going godfather on this? It didn't have to be like this. Like rob. Can you know what? Before we go to the other side, just show these people. I want you to put us, uh, the clip where I wrote us making light of his initial trolling, and then we'll carry it over to the other side, cause I want you guys to see my attitude initially with this, and it was this until he crossed the line, and he crossed the line and he went a little too far, little too far, little too far, because this was my actual attitude towards this. I want to run with you at the TLM. Poor Eric, I like Eric.
Speaker 2:Eric's funny Salmons. We've been goofing around with each other a little bit, so yeah, so the guy's name is Eric and he sent in a funny super chat and I was like, oh, I like him, he's funny Salmon's. We've been goofing around with each other a little bit, so, yeah, so the guy's name is Eric and he sent in a funny super chat and I was like, oh, I like him, he's funny, Because I thought he was being funny. But all right, this is for locals only because I don't want people to like Max getting mad. Negativity. It's not negativity, I'm not a punching bag. So
