Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
Pressure Mounts on Pope Leo from Trads and Modernists
When we lose sight of what makes Catholicism truly Catholic, we risk transforming our faith into something unrecognizable. In this riveting conversation with Michael Hichborn of the Lepanto Institute, we journey deep into the heart of a crisis unfolding in the Church.
Michael shares his daring undercover mission at the Association of United States Catholic Priests (AUSCP) conference in San Antonio, where he discovered priests openly advocating for women's ordination, LGBT acceptance, and "priestless parishes"—all while enjoying support from prominent bishops and cardinals. His firsthand account includes a surprising encounter with a gay priest at the hotel bar and the shocking moment when his cover was blown.
The conversation shifts to a profound examination of how Catholic worship has evolved—or deteriorated—since Vatican II. Though the liturgy was developed over two millennia, recent decades have seen a Protestantization of Catholic worship that has stripped away the sacred elements that once defined it. As Michael powerfully argues, "Once you get rid of the customary life of the church, now you have to replace it with something else." This liturgical crisis connects directly to the moral and doctrinal confusion we see today, including bishops who remove kneelers to discourage traditional postures of reverence.
We explore the miraculous shrine of Las Lajas in Colombia, where an unexplainable image appears three feet deep within solid rock—a powerful example of how authentic Catholic faith inspires cultural greatness. As modern civilization abandons its Christian foundations, these miracles serve as reminders that "if these shall hold their peace, stones will cry out."
Whether you're concerned about the direction of the Church, fascinated by the intersection of faith and culture, or simply seeking clarity amid confusion, this episode offers profound insights into reclaiming authentic Catholic identity in a time of unprecedented challenges. Listen now and rediscover what makes our faith truly timeless.
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this sounds absolutely insane and I'm aware of how this sounds, but I think the dragons are basically leftover dinosaurs. I don't think the dinosaurs were wiped out with the flood. I think the dinosaurs were basically giant creatures that had lived for hundreds of years you could potentially come to the same conclusion we thought that would be good for michael I was like this looks a little different
Speaker 3:we have, uh, our friend taffy does. He does them like based on what the episode will be about that night and he'll always have like a reference for what we're going to talk about and he mixes it in with our intro and he puts it he's brilliant and one day we're going to be big enough that we can actually pay him for the work he does for us. But right now, all we can do is offer him to tell everybody go follow him on Twitter. What's his actual Twitter handle?
Speaker 6:It's Taffy Tumult right.
Speaker 3:All right, yeah, we'll find that at some point. Michael Hichborn, it has been a while since we have spoken. I was kind of excited to get you on today. I wanted to get you on. Last week, while you were down in San Antonio, you were up to some wild stuff down there. What was happening down there?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the association of us Catholic priests and organization that I've been harassing now for 10 years. Um, there are a bunch of heretics. They push women's ordination, LGBT nonsense. They want to create this program of priestless parishes where, oh goodness, we have a priest shortage. So what do we? How do we fix that? Well, the answer is to have one priest tend to like eight parishes, travel to those different parishes over the course of a month or two, confect a whole bunch of Eucharists, treat the tabernacle like a refrigerator, and then, once he does that in one parish, he can move on to the, to the series of other parishes from week to week. And then, once he does that in one parish, he can move on to the series of other parishes from week to week. And in the meantime, we'll just have local lay pastoral leaders lead Eucharistic prayer sessions on Sundays to fulfill Sunday obligations, and that way we'll handle the priest crisis. So these people, they want to reduce the priesthood to a lay participation thing, because we're all a community of believers, right? That's all we are, and priest is basically the presider of this community of believers, Of this community of believers. So that's, that's what they want to do. That's it's. It's a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I have here their program book. Now my green screen is covering up the this part's green. You can't really. It looks invisible but it's not. It's not invisible, it's green. But this is the title of their conference for this year Sexuality and spiritualityity Pastoral Approaches. And let me tell you they had some really crazy stuff going on at this particular conference. Let me see they had a 9.45 am. They had Dr Jennifer Best talking about grounding sexuality in love and justice.
Speaker 2:And then they had that evening some sort of colloquium on different sexual orientations. Dr Todd Salzman talked to them about new pastoral methods, including include methodological, anthropological and ecclesiastical developments, and that was, of course, all in in regard to sexuality and human sexuality and transgenderism, and you know all that nonsense. So it's that that's effectively what the conference was, but let me show you some of the swag that I collected, because I like collecting swag. It's fun. We got this. Who would, jesus?
Speaker 3:exclude Well, the gays, for sure.
Speaker 2:How about the goats? You know, Jesus said he was going to separate the goats from the lambs.
Speaker 5:Is that another name for Italians?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Italians. Yes, he said he would separate the goats.
Speaker 3:I love it because usually Rob peppers in his anti-Italian bigotry here and there throughout the show, but his mic doesn't work. Great, great.
Speaker 2:So but but our Lord talked. He spoke regularly about casting certain you know things, whether it was the wheat and the chaff, or he was talking about the, the, the wheat and the tares, or he was talking about the sheep and the goats. This is a good question. How many people attended this? There were 150 people at this particular conference and the AUSCP boasts a membership of about 1,500 to 1,800 members. But you got to remember these guys have Bishop Stowe as a member. He's the Bishop of Lexington. They've got Archbishop John Wester is their Episcopal moderator, he's the Archbishop of Santa Fe, and they've had people like Cardinal McElroy, cardinal Cupich, cardinal Wilton Gregory, archbishop Robert Carlson, bishop Pates. All of them have participated to some degree or other in their events. So it's a huge problem because they're Episcopal cover.
Speaker 3:I was going to say like it's not, like it could be like one of these crazy groups that you just write off, like the people for the ordination of women catholic women priests or something like that. But no, you said the. The archbishop of san antonio said mass for them. Right. Like yeah, that's right, like this is nuts uh, archbishop gustavo siller said mass for them.
Speaker 2:Now I saw somebody comment said that a gay priest tried to pick up Hitchborn. It's true, I sat down and I was just because it was at the Drury Hotel. Ok, the Drury, which is a great hotel chain. They have a happy hour where you get a little punch card and you get three drinks in the evening Gratis. It's wrapped into your hotel bill and they serve dinner too. I mean, how often do you get dinners at a hotel stay? So it's it's great hotel chain. I really enjoyed it. So I went down for happy hour because I knew all the priests would be down there and what I would do. They had the the bar on two different levels. There's a promenade in the shape of a horseshoe and at the end of each horseshoe was a little bar where you could go and get a drink. Kale Zeldin says dang three.
Speaker 3:Yeah, three, that is a nice three. I'm on my third now.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I went to one and I would get a drink and then I would just kind of wander, sit down, finish my drink, then go to the other, get a drink and and sit down and get a third drink. And this way I was kind of getting a sense, a lay of the land. I was seeing who was there, I was reading name tags, so you know, just a way of kind of being aware of who's there and what they're doing, what they're. You know, I'm listening in. What are they talking about, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:And I'm sitting there, I'm by myself at a chair, it's. It's a high table, two chairs, and I'm I'm having a drink and this short man, uh, rounds the corner and he sits there and he starts staring at me and I thought that was very strange and I didn't look up. I just sat there and I was drinking and I had my phone, so I was perusing my phone and he kept. It's like you could feel the eyeballs on your forehead. So I finally I looked up and he smiled at me and he, he started talking, just just started talking just about whatever. And he asked me my name. I said Michael. He said oh okay, are you here for the conference. I said oh yeah, I'm here for the conference. Well, so I won't lie. But what I did? I said conference and he said oh yes, there's a priest's conference going on here. I said, and he said oh yes, there's a priest's conference going on here. I said, oh really, well, what's it about?
Speaker 2:and I just let him talk, yeah and you know you get a lot more if you just play coy, and that's all I did. I just played coy, let him talk, and he was in line to get a drink and and he just kept talking and talking. And then he was like, well, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm up, now I'm going to. Is there anybody sitting here? I said no, so he came back around and he sat down and he just kept talking and every once in a while he would pepper in something about, well, you know, donald Trump, he, he wouldn't approve of, cause he was talking about his nephew getting married and said Donald Trump wouldn't approve of. You know some, some of the dancing. I said, why not? And he said well, you know, for someone like Donald Trump, only men with women.
Speaker 2:I said, oh, okay, and you know, here I am playing dumb, right, it goes over my head. And so then he goes on. And then he says something else, because I said, oh, where are you from? He goes oh, I'm up in new york. And he said he, he works in hell's kitchen. And I said, oh, that sounds pretty awful. And he then started. He said, oh, no, it's, it's actually quite posh. He said you know, it used to be that the village was the place to go, but now it's. It's hell's kitchen, and and he said something about the gay element and it's like he would just drop little things in there every once in a while.
Speaker 3:Gay, this gay that you think he thought you might have been gay. I mean, you do dress very nice, michael. Your hair is perfectly coiffed, you could probably pull it off.
Speaker 2:I don't have the lisp or the wall that is true yeah and have you ever noticed.
Speaker 2:There's something about the way they smile. It's it's like they do something with their lips and it's it's like I can't curl my lips the way a serpent does, so I can't quite pull it off, but they do. The pictures of james martin are probably the best example of what you expect a gay guy to look like, oh man, but anyway. So he starts talking to me and he's, you know, trying to get anyway. So after a little while because I I was just like, well, how do I get get rid of this guy? Because I didn't really want to talk to him, I will. I wanted to get up and get another drink, so I started talking about my eight kids and then I started talking about my wife, and it wasn't long after that that he excus, excused himself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 2:So he's like oh wait this guy's actually Catholic. Yeah. So he, uh, he got up and left. Well, the next day, as I was doing the same thing making my rounds, he walks by and 100% thought he was gay, thanks. So he walks by and he goes what's your name really? I said I told you yesterday, michael, and he said well, are you the spokesman for some kind of organization? I said yeah, I run the Lepanto Institute.
Speaker 3:Oh, the word got out. Somebody snitched on you yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, don't don't repeat this, but you know, yesterday when I sat down and talked to you, somebody approached me and said you know you're drinking with the enemy, right? So I said the enemy. I said, father, I'm here to pray for you, and he then started trying to make excuses. I said well, you know, we have to be very clear about what the church teaches with regard to doctrine. And he said oh, we're not denying doctrine. I said uh-huh. I said we also need to be very clear about what the church teaches morality. And he said well, you need to understand how to understand doctrine so that you can understand morality. And I said it's always been very clear to me. But yeah, that was kind of how that conversation went.
Speaker 3:We got to send you in with a wire next time, just to record some of these conversations. It's just, it's man.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's here. To even get my microphone to work here. How is the wire gonna?
Speaker 2:right, yeah, you know, with my luck the devil would interfere with all the electronics. Anyway, it's like I touch something electronic and it breaks. So this, this kind of look.
Speaker 3:This kind of does lead into a few different conversations I wanted to have tonight. Um, I kind of um, like we obviously are going to talk about um, just because I I saw mike lewis put out an article. Um, where is that? Do I have? Okay, so will pope leo take on the traditionalists? So it's like all of this is kind of connected right, like we're still because some these organizations kind of were able to run roughshod over the church under Francis and we're all wondering what Leo is going to do. And I'm like the the idea that this archbishop went and said mass at this organization, the the the fact that we had the other day, a bishop come out and actually say something against a priest who denied communion to a politician in the UK. Like we kind of just have this watered down version of catholicism that we're all dealing with now, and I wanted to actually play a clip from tim gordon, does this sound better?
Speaker 5:yes, you're on. I didn't do a single thing. I don't know what happened. How did that work? Demons, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Demons, yeah everybody's saying I need another, or italians, um. So I want to. I want to play the tim gordon clip, because this is this is a. This is a theme we've discussed on this show for a very long time, but I never heard it articulated as well as gordon did, and it's a. It's a one minute clip. He was on with elijah shaffer and it had to do with. It has to do with liturgy, it has to do with, like, how we practice the Catholic faith and things like that, and I think it's a good way to lead into this conversation. This show is going to be all over the place, guys. So I know what the title says, but just bear with us. It's Thursday night, I'm off. Tomorrow I'm drinking. We're going to be all over the place. So, but, rob, let's pull up the Gordon clip. We'll play that.
Speaker 7:Our Lord set up Christianity to be a religion because he knows that without the baselines of religion, protestantism ironically lacks this. Even though they're legitimate Christians, they lack some of the baseline elements of natural religion that even the pagan Greeks had, and I'm not trying to be insulting. But there has to be a sacerdotal class, a class of priests. There has to be sacrifice in sacrament we can't hear you now, rob did you record this on 1.5?
Speaker 3:I, he did, I didn't okay.
Speaker 5:Huh, yeah, I didn't yeah, this is tim gordon's clip that he posted.
Speaker 2:He probably sped it up because he I didn't. Okay, huh, yeah, I didn't. This is a clip. Put him on cocaine in this clip talking about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is Tim Gordon's clip that he posted. He probably sped it up because he wanted to get it in in a minute. Yeah, because people's attention span is so short. Yeah, I'll rewind a little.
Speaker 7:But there has to be a sacerdotal class, a class of priests. There has to be sacrifice and sacrament. You know blood sacrifice sacrament. There has to be precepts, with what Sarah said in her answer. There has to be stuff you have to do every day. There has to be sacramentals, little things like prayer beads. Several world religions have those, because this corresponds with something fundamental in us, with man's nature, and we know that if it's just a Jesus loving book club, which is what really compared to orthodoxy or Catholicism, Protestantism feels a lot like it's just a book club and hey, we dig Jesus. There's not enough left for you to do. I don't know if you ever get anxious or anyone out there in your audience, or if you've ever addressed anxiety ways to avoid it.
Speaker 8:We were talking about tonight.
Speaker 7:You're just saying why you went and worked out in between the show we shot earlier and now. If I don't do enough in the day, I get anxious. Yeah, that's the problem. There's a fundamental Kierkegaardian anxiety endemic to Protestantism, because there's where a human being, man or woman, wants to do certain things that correspond with even natural religion. Roman Catholicism has them all. Orthodoxy has most of these, because they're very similar.
Speaker 3:You can pause it there.
Speaker 3:I kind of just wanted to get to that idea of how God really did make us to be liturgical beings, like man was made for worship right, and what's been happening in the church over the past 70 years since they did change the liturgy and you can see it playing out even in the Catholic apologetic sphere.
Speaker 3:Mike Pantile put out a video about this the other day, saying how, like all these converts, they come in, they learn all this stuff, they get super excited about the faith and then right away they want to dive into becoming apologists after they just came into the church, like a year ago, you know, and it's like you didn't actually get any chance to live out the practice of the faith.
Speaker 3:There's something about being protestant where everything is just this intellectual ascent and I think because of protestantism like what what catholic answers provided was very needed, because Protestantism was stealing tons and tons of Catholics because they would come out and they'd whip out the Bible and they and Catholics were so used to like having a praxis, a way that they lived out the faith, that they weren't always known for reading their Bible, because it was more than that, it was a way of life to be Catholic.
Speaker 3:So once they started changing those things and making it into a more Protestantized liturgy, you now have this Protestantized liturgy without the Bible behind it, and everything just becomes like this intellectual ascent. And I think that's actually happening in the church right now, where so many Catholics are just saying, well, this is what the church teaches or this is how this works, and not enough of us are actually living out the faith and doing. I mean, yeah, we all, you know we may pray the rosary and things like that, but there was something to the way medieval Catholicism worked, where all of the feast days were intertwined so perfectly and it was like a way of life that we are just completely lacking now.
Speaker 2:Right? Well, there's a cognitive dissonance between the way that the church lives in in her cultures and the way that the church lives in her sacraments and her sacramental life. We have split the two. The two have been bifurcated now and are separate, and instead of having our culture integrated with the church, now we're trying to make the church cultural. This is why they're talking about creating an Amazonian right. This is why they're talking about integrating indigenous people's practices. This is why we're now talking about having a right of creation or a mass of the care of creation. A right of creation or a mass of the care of creation. Why? Because we've gotten rid of the customary life of the church, and once you get rid of her customs, now you have to replace it, you have to fill it with something else. So I mean, look, I'll show you something that I got from one of the swag tables. Okay, this is from Voice of the faithful, which is a partner of the AUSCP.
Speaker 2:Keep the faith, change the church, and that's what they want to do. That's what these hard leftists want to do to the church. They want to allegedly keep the doctrines and keep the sacraments, but they want to change them. They want to change the way that we approach them. They want to change our understanding of them, one of the things that we have done, you know. You mentioned that there's a problem now with this priest. It's not a problem for the faithful, it's a problem for this bishop, but this priest denied, or said he would deny, holy Communion to these pro-abortion politicians yeah, pro-euthanasia politicians and these bishops seem to think that's awful, but they've lost a sense of what the faith is, because if you know who the sacrament is, then you know. It's like I used to tell my friends when we were in high school if you're talking about a relationship instead of having one, then you have neither. Yeah, you don't have a relationship. So you have a relationship not by talking about it, but by living it.
Speaker 3:And experiencing it Right.
Speaker 2:How do you live a relationship? I mean, if you have a problem with your wife, obviously you're going to bring it to her attention, you're going to talk it out, but you're not going to talk about the nature of your marriage. Your marriage is what it is. But you're going to say you know, dear, it hurts me when you say this, or I would like to know how I can help you, how can I make things better for you? But if you're sitting there saying, well, we need to talk about our marriage, we need to talk about how, I mean, what are you going to do? You're going to send your wife into a conniption because she's going to wonder, she's going to think something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Speaker 2:The same is true for the sacraments. We have to approach the blessed sacrament, our blessed Lord in the Eucharist, as a person, as a who. When we approach him, we are saying Lord, I love you, I wish to be with you, I wish to fill my life with your life and live your life through my life. And how do I do that? I do that by giving myself completely over to you in this blessed sacrament. But when they say that, denying the sacrament to somebody who has betrayed our Lord through mortal sin is now somehow a horrible thing. Well, how do you think your wife would feel if you approached her for the marriage bed after she just found out that you cheated on her?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a terrible thing. You wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's basically what is happening too right. Yeah, that's basically what is happening too right. That's what sin is. You're essentially like God always described idol worship in the Old Testament as adultery. So that's essentially what you're doing.
Speaker 3:I've been having this back and forth with this Catholic convert. I know his name's Eric. I forgot his last name, eric McCabe. Eric McCabe, yeah, like he gets very annoyed with me when I talk about the Latin mass, right, and it's like I know we've had this conversation a hundred times.
Speaker 3:But there's something about the people that are arguing for on behalf of the Novus Ordo. It's like you're arguing and saying, like jesus is really present and I agree with that like, yes, jesus is really present. But there's something to this that's just like an intellectual ascent more than like a living it out, like a liturgy, like the church developed this liturgy over 2 000 years and likeed it, and then to just revamp the whole thing overnight and throw everybody into into a like a tailspin and try to figure it all out, and it has all these Protestant elements to it and now it's yes, it is the mass and yes, it is still the sacrifice of Calvary, but but there's something. There's something about like so much of of the, because the, the way you're worshiping, actually has an effect on you. It's not just and it's not just like an intellectual effect, like it's something about your whole being. I think it's. It's something that I experienced myself by, like, by really going to a Latin mass.
Speaker 3:So I don't know what Leo is going to do, but he has to intervene at this point. We're seeing this get torn apart again and I'm just watching Catholicism become Protestantism, with different arguments. It's lived out as if it's Protestantism but we Protestantism with different arguments. Like it's lived out as if it's Protestantism, but we just have the right arguments. And it's the same thing as just saying well, I've accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. Well, I go to mass on Sunday and I believe the right set of those right set of propositions. It's almost like being saved by a set of magic words instead of being saved, because you're living out this faith and you're becoming a saint through it.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's really kind of the essence of the problem when you and this is why I've and I've said this before and I'll it bears repeating there's a reason why we have to understand everything in the world right now through a proper understanding of Genesis. You can't understand the passion without understanding the fall, and you can't understand what's going on in the world today without understanding what happened with the flood and with the fall of Babel. Okay, what happened at Babel? Our Lord saw that man had grown arrogant and said that we will find our own way to heaven. We'll build a tower and we'll get up to the heavens, and we'll get to the heavens. That way, we don't need God. Effectively. This is the story of Freemasonry. By the way, this is what the Freemasons believe. They believe in a naturalistic religion where we can act and build our way towards heaven. We don't need the religion that is established by God. And so all this pantheism and this syncretism that we see in the church right now is a direct result of that Masonic ideology. It is a reflection directly a reflection of what happened with the Tower of Babel, only in the inverse.
Speaker 2:So what happened at Babel? You had all these people working together. They shared a common tongue, they shared a common ideology, they shared a common culture and they started building this tower. And God said you know what, if I don't intervene here and confuse their tongues, they're going to be capable of doing anything they want. So he came down, he confused their tongues. They're going to be capable of doing anything they want. So he came down, he confused their language and they dispersed throughout the world.
Speaker 2:What happened after the Second Vatican Council? They did away with Latin. So here we have the ivory tower of the church, where man is brought together with the tower that leads to heaven. Okay, we share a common language, we share a common culture. In the mass, in the church, all of those things are shared. And the second Vatican council turned right around and said bop, we're going to smite your tongue and disperse your languages.
Speaker 2:And then, on top of that, because now we have the vernacular mass all over the place and local customs now finding their way into the church, you're seeing that there is a disintegration of local cultures and local Catholic communities and we're not united. We're finding our unicity completely attacked because of what happened at the Second Vatican Council. Well, as a result of this, I shouldn't say at the second Vatican council. Well, I, as a result of this I shouldn't say because the second Vatican council actually said to retain the Latin, but they're going against it and, as a result, now we have this dispersion of religions or this dispersion of beliefs, this dispersion of language, and we're not united. And it's only getting worse with these constant revisions that we're seeing. I mean, we've got what? Now? The fourth or fifth revision of the revision, when, prior to this, prior to the 20th century, we've effectively had the same exact mass unchanged for 1,500 years. But now, all of a sudden, we need to make all these changes.
Speaker 3:Jeff, stay here, don't leave, yet I want to actually bring some. So Jeff tweeted something today. Rob, do you see my tweet that says what is almost as incredible as the image? I put it in the. I put it in the click on that and I that's a quote tweet. Go down to Jeff's tweet that I quote tweeted and I want to play this little little story and then I want to go to what I tweeted after that. So go, okay, so let's play this. So Jeff tweeted this today and just look at this story, right, and then the Lady of Las Lajas.
Speaker 3:Yes, In Columbia right Now. What we're talking about is what the church did through the centuries, what it inspired, right, so let's play this quick video and then see what this image inspired.
Speaker 1:Image before you was found on a rock between Colombia and Ecuador, and what has baffled modern scientists is how the image is on the rock, meaning there is no paint, there's no dye, there's no pigment, there's no primer, there's no chemical on the rock to create such an image. How is the image on? And that's what they can't figure out. In fact, it's the rock itself, is the image. When geologists drilled into the rock three feet, they find the image is still there. So the image is the rock itself. That's why it's so fascinating. It was found in the jungles of Colombia in 1754.
Speaker 1:How is it possible that some type of paint or pigment has survived 300 years? So in 1754, there is a woman by the name of Maria very ironic that has to travel between villages and in her travels on this path there is a cave and on one occasion Maria has to go into the cave to find shelter from a storm and in that occasion she said that she felt a tap on her shoulder and a woman's voice. Call her name. Well, she ran from the cave in fear, never to tell anybody. Later on, maria was going through this path again with her child, her daughter, and her child is deaf and mute, but the child went into the cave and became able to speak and was able to hear.
Speaker 3:So now go to my tweet. So now this image on this rock becomes a shrine. Now look at the freaking cathedral they built on this at the, at the, at the shrine. Look at this freaking cathedral. You would swear that's from Grivendale or Rivendell, whatever the hell it is from Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 5:You're the worst, anthony.
Speaker 3:That does not. I was thinking, grivendale is Harry.
Speaker 2:Potter, I will go there.
Speaker 3:You would swear that's from Lord of the rings, like I've never seen anything like that. Yep, so this, this is. This is what medieval catholicism was able to inspire, right? That's not even medieval catholicism yeah, like that's 18th century right 19th century 18 18th century happened in the 1700s yeah, so that's because it's columbia, like we didn't really. Uh, that's when, like second christendom starts popping up after way after the reformation, like the jesuits were in south america at that time so I want to kind of tell you a story.
Speaker 2:um, I wrote about this particular uh incident in one of my newsletters and what I talked about was the fact at the very beginning of our Lord's life, there were accolades being sung by the shepherds, the angels who appeared to the shepherds saying glory to God in the highest and on earth, peace to men of goodwill. And then, at our Lord's death, 17 chapters after this, just before his passion, we hear similar praises coming from the disciples who cried out blessed be the King who cometh in the name of the Lord. Peace in heaven and glory on high. So you have the angels first proclaiming this at the beginning of our Lord's life, and then you have men proclaiming something similar at the beginning of our Lord's life, and then you have men proclaiming something similar at the end of his life. Well, as that was happening, you have the Pharisees demanding that our Lord rebuke his disciples. But our Lord's response was this, he said I say to you, if these shall hold their peace, stones will cry out. Okay, now you've already gone into the story of what happened with the rocks at las lajas, showing the uh, our lady and, and giving the um um, the the scapular to saint simon stock and the rosary to saint dominic. But here's what happened 5,569 miles away, that very same year. So that same year, this is what I wrote.
Speaker 2:I said the rise of atheism truly began during the Enlightenment, as pseudo philosophers like Rousseau, voltaire and others gained prominence. The very first book promoting the idea of atheism was unironically written by a French Catholic priest named Jean Meisler. Meisler died in 1729, and his book wouldn't be published until 1762. But the very fact that it was written at all gives a strong indication to the undercurrent of atheist thought running through society at the time. But in 1754, a most extraordinary occurrence took place.
Speaker 2:That year, the Scottish pseudo-philosopher David Hume published a six-volume history of England. While not explicitly atheist in the denial of God, hume's work took a much subtler approach. Hume strongly downplayed the importance of religion and implied that God was so impotent to stem the tide of the wars in Europe. In short, hume held his peace regarding God and gave primacy of place to Edinburgh in the rise of atheism. So here you have, right there, the rise of atheism, the silence, the holding back which demanded that the rocks cry out. And it was that same exact year that the rocks of Las Lajas appeared to that woman year that the rocks of las lajas appeared to to that woman.
Speaker 3:I always I always perceived um, like, when we would see statues that weep and statues that like. I always saw that as like a fulfillment of that also right, like, like we were in a time in the church where the, the, the hierarchy, no longer proclaims the faith like they really don't like. You have a handful of bishops. There was this beautiful tweet that I just read the other day by a bishop who started talking about the Latin mass. I should have thrown that in there, but the, robert Reed, you know, he's an auxiliary Bishop in Boston, auxiliary Bishop in Boston, and he said the first time he prayed the Latin mass. See if you can find the tweet right, cause I don't want to miss Um, uh, so Jeff's Jeff. Jeff is a seminarian.
Speaker 3:I wanted to say that the uh, the state of the seminaries here in the U S isn't what people keep saying. It is. Everyone I've met here is based and enthusiastic about the future. Our rector says the TLM yeah, enthusiastic about the future. Our rector says the tlm yeah, so that, but that's what I would like. We all hope that and we all hope.
Speaker 3:I think it is a different time than it was a few years ago. But I really am just man. I'm really hoping that leo does intervene in this, in this debate, and he and he does, because I see the other side. So in offering the traditional mass for the first time after removing the vestments, I knelt in the back of the pew and wept. So just a bishop saying that publicly on twitter, right. So you have, uh, archbishop cordal leone will say things like that. You have uh cardinal, uh burke will say things like that. Like we have a very select few who will speak out and and speak like this. But I'm I see what the I see what the liberals are doing, like the liberals, you know, if you have mike lewis arguing will, will leo intervening and do something about the trads? And the trads are like will leo intervene and do something about the latin mass like this, this, this split has to come soon.
Speaker 2:Like something has to happen I mean, ultimately, we have to ask the question why do they hate the heritage of the church so much that they have to do something about the traditional latin mass? Why do they hate our patrimony to such a degree that they want to erase it, that they want to have it completely done away with and never turned back to? What is it about the traditional Latin mass that they hate so much? And that's something that they refuse to answer.
Speaker 2:One of the things that I keep coming back to with regard to the change of the mass in the Second Vatican Council was what was the point? Why did you do this? And you know what the answer is Because we can. That's the only answer that ever, ever comes back. But when you read the Vatican II document, sacrosanctum Concilium, what it says is that they wanted to remove any obstacles to non-Catholics basically the Protestants and then they wanted to remove any obstacles to non-Catholics basically the Protestants and then they wanted to remove any obstacles to non-Christians, so anybody who's not even Christian. They want to remove all those obstacles so that they would come into the mass. Well, okay, so if that's your point, then why didn't you make a separate right? Why didn't you? Why? Why do away with the traditional Latin mass. And they still have no answer. They have no answer for that.
Speaker 3:well it is a different faith. Right, like, like we have to be honest about it. They believe a different faith. They believe in a different jesus than us, like. Their version of jesus is jonathan roomie chosen what they.
Speaker 2:What they believe with regard to the mass is because this is what it boils down to the Mass is no longer a sacrifice, but a meal.
Speaker 8:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they say, oh, this is a representation of the banquet in heaven. Well, yes, but we're not in heaven, are we? We're on the journey, we're on our way, which is why the sacrifice is so important. We're on our way, which is why the sacrifice is so important, which is why we have to approach the altar with a sacrificial heart and a sacrificial mindset, and we have to recognize that this costs something. What we are receiving here is not just a free gift of food. It costs something. In fact, it costs the most.
Speaker 2:And because it costs the most and it's being given to me freely, well, where's my gratitude if I'm walking up, going feed me? Where's my gratitude? Where's my sense of awe? Where's my sense of urgency with regard to the state of my soul before I approach, how can I possibly be mindful of my own sinfulness? I approach, how can I possibly be mindful of my own sinfulness?
Speaker 2:Discerning the body and blood of the Lord, as St Paul says, if I have not inwardly and introspectively understood what is taking place up there on the altar is a re-presentation of the sacrifice on Calvary.
Speaker 2:It is the only place and the only time when time travel and bilocation are possible, because right then and there we are truly present at the foot of the cross of Calvary, all of us, and, what's more, we also have all of the souls in purgatory and all of the saints in heaven joining us in that one moment. We are completely unified in that one moment, right there at the consecration in mass. And if you don't have that intellectually, and you're not thinking about this sacrifice as it truly is, well then of course you're just going to treat it like a big party and you're going to play bongo drums and you're going to have your guitar going and you're going to have father frederick daily going around and talking about namaste, and how you're going to have father frederick daly going around and talking about namaste and how we're going to have this big gay mass because, well, everything's, everything's equal and all is welcome to even get back to what gordon was saying.
Speaker 3:How, like the, the, the natural religion that is in all of man right, like, and michael, me and you have talked about, like these ancient civilizations and like these, these monoliths that are throughout the world and things like that, and how, like every one of those cultures that produced things that last, like that, like they had ritual, like regular ritual that these cultures would go by, like all of those, all of all of those things that we see throughout the world, are some kind of a temple, there are some kind of a temple, there's some kind of a temple that were made for worship.
Speaker 3:Now, when you look at the cathedral, we just saw that cathedral was made for worship because we had a very specific way that we worshiped, and I don't see how culture or anything can be restored until we get back to our way, can be restored until we get back to our way, like the worship that inspired the West and I hate calling it the West the worship that inspired Christendom, that inspired Christian civilization and gave us all of the things that we hold dear today, even our because even the Protestants have like that leftover Christian ethos that is left over from what the Catholic church built.
Speaker 3:It's by undermining that and over to like I can't see how the church gets fixed until we fix that. Like that is such a very big part of it. So yeah, we heard Pope Leo give the sermon on the the the miracle was sharing the other day. It's like I can almost overlook that stuff If he intervenes in in this area. Like I think we need to start preparing the next generation by just freeing the, the Latin mass, and because I I do think there is something to Benedict's mutual enrichment thing.
Speaker 3:Right and well and enrichment of one direction, but not, not, not not a hundred percent, but yes it's. It's like 90 enrichment in one direction, but there's a reason why I, I my, not me, but like there's a reason why my family prefers a diocesan Latin mass to an SSPX, like there is something a little bit more. I don't know what the right word is. What is it, Normie? I don't want to say welcoming because I hate that word.
Speaker 5:It's just there's something, the two SSPX chapels I've been to where we're welcoming is all.
Speaker 3:I don't mean what like. It's not like. The sspx isn't welcoming.
Speaker 5:It's a little stiff and stodgy so you just don't, you just feel out of place in your jeans and t-shirt at the sspx. Jeans and a t-shirt Shut up Okay black jeans t-shirt and a t-shirt jacket no I wear dress, pants and a collared shirt to mass. Black jeans are not dress pants.
Speaker 3:All right, the joke's ran its course. So I don't know, it's not even me Like I don't mind going to either one. It's in both the tenors. I just know how my daughters feel when they go, and I'm just saying that. The mutual enrichment, I don't. Yeah, you're probably right, it probably all does go one way, but either way, like let that enrichment happen, right? So if you have these parishes that have both forms, the Novus Ordo is going to be enriched by that traditional liturgy and it's going to itself then start using the communion rails and they're going to stop having altar girls because the parish is just going to be a traditional parish, whether it's either form of the man and I'm. I am at the point where I don't say there are two forms, like I agree with francis. They're two different rites, like they just are.
Speaker 2:There's two totally different rituals my, my disposition is this uh, and in it it's actually the wisdom of, of gamaliel, or gamaliel, or however you pronounce it. Um, and what he said when the zealots wanted to slaughter all the christians? He said, no, leave them be. He said, look, if they're of god, then it'll bear fruit, and you don't want to destroy something that is of God.
Speaker 3:No, he said. He said if it's of God, there's nothing you can do to stop it. Right, yeah, Right.
Speaker 2:And? And if it's not of God, well then it will go the way of the dodo It'll, it'll, it'll disappear, it'll fall, fall under its own weight, It'll completely collapse. So don't interrupt this. What's more is, if you understand the parable of the tares and the wheat, they said you know, the servants went out and they saw that there were false wheat that was growing among the good wheat. Now, what most people miss from this particular parable is that you can't tell the difference between a tare and a wheat until it comes to full germination, until it actually is ready to be harvested. That's the only time you can tell the difference, and the difference has to do with the spires. At the end, it's either got one spire that comes out or two, and I don't remember which is which.
Speaker 2:What else is very interesting is that tares and wheat can be used to make bread. But if you try to make bread out of false wheat, it will make you drunk and it will ultimately kill you, it'll poison you, it'll cause hallucinations, you'll start to believe things that aren't true. So if we want to have a real comparison, we ought to just allow both to grow and develop in their own way. Allow the traditional Latin mass at every parish. Just say you know what?
Speaker 3:Allow all priests. They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, you know, they know.
Speaker 2:That's that's where I'm going with this yeah, play the.
Speaker 3:Play the video I just I just sent to the to the thing. Did you guys see what happened in charlotte? So charlotte is the? Uh bishop bishop martin made this parish take out the kneelers, and there's nine other bishops at this church, so Faithful in Charlotte continued to kneel, despite efforts of Bishop Michael Martin to discourage the traditional practice by removing kneelers. This video is from July 1st mass during Atlanta province, during an annual meeting. Nine other bishops in attendance. Look at that. And for all the bashing I did of the boomers, look at how beautiful they're not all the same?
Speaker 3:guys.
Speaker 5:They're not all the same. Don't make nice with them now.
Speaker 3:My dad watches now.
Speaker 5:Rob, I love how the first show he watches. You're just ripping into that.
Speaker 3:Michael, my dad has never watched an episode of this show.
Speaker 5:We had Eric Stavins on the other night and I'm like the boomers.
Speaker 3:My dad called me up the show and goes. You know, I never saw your stupid show and the first thing you do is bash the boomers.
Speaker 5:You should have been like no, not all the boomers dad just you, he goes, he's like, he's like.
Speaker 3:I remember the Latin mass. I don't like it, I go. You see, you're a typical boomer, okay.
Speaker 5:He should have been like Dad, you don't remember what you ate last week, Don't tell me you remember the Latin mass.
Speaker 3:He doesn't remember the Latin mass? My dad, you know I don't know. You know my dad, I got to tell him, I got to go. Dad, do you understand? It was the communists that started it.
Speaker 5:He'll go right to the Latin mass by telling us, it's the communists, it was the communists and the Muslims, it was all them, dad.
Speaker 2:Well, Anibal Bonini was a Freemason, so there's that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it, he'll be right over.
Speaker 5:Don't tell your dad it was the Jews that created the Novus Ordo. He really will love it for real, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I got him chipped. Seen this video? Look at, look at this video. Look at they took the kneelers out of this parish. This is insane. Look every now. That's not, that's not bishop martin, but look at what you're putting. Look at what you're putting the poor older people through, like people have bad knees, like especially. Look at, look at this. This is like, yep, it's elder abuse. It is now. Look, even when I go to a nova sordo, um, I will kneel. It is very awkward to go and kneel when there's no kneeler and you're, you're in line and you go up and you like everybody's waiting and you have to like clear your way.
Speaker 2:It's like, right, I gotta kneel it's even worse, anthony, when, when, um, you go down to kneel, but the priest is standing up a step higher so he has to bend down even lower.
Speaker 3:It's just God bless these people, god bless all of them, all of them wearing veils, kneeling. Good for all of them. It's just sad. It's just sad. What's crazy is because even the people who, like all the faithful Catholics I know that go to the Novus Ordo, they want that, like they don't want the cheesiness. So even like the staunch defenders of the Novus Ordo, who are faithful Catholics, who kind of defend it because it's like well, no, here he comes. Here's Mike, who said his name. I did, oh, did you?
Speaker 2:And the devil is that how that works.
Speaker 3:Wait, actually, mike sent me the best video today. Wait, we have to play this, Rob, I have to find this Hang on. Mike sent me such a good video today.
Speaker 2:I have to find it Hang on he says, he's not joking, so I'll take that.
Speaker 3:No, I like I, I'm telling even mike. Look, I know everybody has a caricature of mike in their head. Mike is a faithful catholic. He wants to receive kneeling on the top like he's. He's just, you know it's uh, but hold on, I have to. What did I write in that tweet? Um, I got it. Hang on, let's see. Here we go. All right, rob, I'm sending it. I'm sending this hang on copy link. Michael lewis sent me this video today.
Speaker 5:Okay, we gotta watch this mike's the one that sent you the mike said this today.
Speaker 3:This is amazing, but here's what? Here's what I want to point out. At the end of this video, this girl says something that just enraged me. All right, let's play this I haven't actually watched this it's the co-sleeping thing, but you have to listen. Listen to everything this girl says. Oh no.
Speaker 9:Sleep on the floor as a family. We used to sleep on a queen bed, like most people, but over time the mattress started sagging and so did our sleep.
Speaker 9:I'd wake up with my back stiff and aching. Elijah didn't have enough space to get comfortable. Every little movement would ripple through the bed and wake one of us up, and once we started co-sleeping with our baby, it was even harder to sleep well. So one night I was laying there, sore, squished, restless, just staring at the ceiling, and I remember thinking sleep is when our bodies heal, it's when our nervous systems reset, and we were missing that every single night. So the next morning we gave away the bed frame, we ditched the old mattress and we got a king size Japanese floor bed, and the change was instant. Our backs stopped hurting, we stopped waking each other up, there was plenty of space for all of us to sprawl, to breathe, to really rest, and it might look like a downgrade from the outside. It is, but for us it's a return to simplicity, to function over aesthetics, to sleep. That actually restores us. This is the best decision that we've made as a family.
Speaker 3:Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, Stop right there. Did you hear what she said? This is the best decision that we have ever made. This man had nothing to do with this decision. This woman said my child is sleeping in the bed, and not only that, we're not even going to have a this decision. This woman said my child is sleeping in the bed, and not only that, we're not even going to have a bed anymore.
Speaker 5:We're sleeping on the damn floor. The Japanese that slept on mattresses. Maybe they wouldn't have lost World War II. Maybe they wouldn't worship demons.
Speaker 3:I just realized something Mike is trying to divide and he knows that the co-sleeping debate almost broke the show up, so he sent me that video to break up. Avoiding babylon. I do have to give a shout out to rose mcnerney. Uh, she's watching our show on her smart tv right now and she doesn't know how to work the chat, but she's watching hi she's texting you. No, somebody else texted me and told me to say for everyone that has anthony's number.
Speaker 5:That's how you should comment on the show.
Speaker 3:Just text him during the show I do have the phone right out in front of me. Um, yeah, I just thought that was funny that mike said that to me. Um, but, uh, yeah, I, I, just I. I think that the there is an element of mutual enrichment that will happen. And if they did, if Leo did intervene and say look, whatever he said, whether he said look, if anybody requests an extension, we'll give it. Like I don't see him going back to Samorum, but I do see that happening. Like they just beat Texas. Why not?
Speaker 2:Because I think he's too wedded to what Pope Francis was already doing.
Speaker 3:I think that Leo is trying to play it too safe this early on, right? So I don't think he'll come out this soon and just do away with TC. I think what he'll do is he'll say look, if anybody requests an extension, we will give it.
Speaker 2:Okay, Look, let's, let's, let's look at it. He did give an extension just recently, a two year extension actually in.
Speaker 2:Texas. Yeah, so you know, great, I, I, I like that. But here's the problem. We just got documents released, leaked from Rome, indicating that the excuse that was given for why Traditionis Custodis was imposed to begin with, which was hey, I took a survey of the bishops and the majority of them said you know, we need to start reining in these traditionalists, we need to start reining in the traditional Latin mass, and apparently that's not true. So we all knew that, though. Oh, of course we did.
Speaker 3:We knew the fact that the document was leaked. You think that is?
Speaker 2:And that's the thing.
Speaker 2:So now there is a momentum change, at least on our side of things, to say there, there, the impetus for doing this didn't exist at the time, and the excuses that were made up after the fact, and quasi during the the in, in the middle of perditionis custodis, which was you know, uh, there are a bunch of mean trads, and those mean trads are they're the ones causing all these problems, or that wasn't true either I?
Speaker 2:I don't know where they're getting this information, but when I would. I've traveled all over the country and all over the world and I've been to different traditional Latin mass communities. And I'll tell you what when Summorum Pontificum came out, there were more traditional Catholics that were so grateful for the fact that they had a traditional Latin mass to go to. Are there some communities that are insular? Yes, is that a problem? Maybe, but it's not a total problem, and the fact of the matter is, you get a bunch of meanies and a bunch of boneheaded people, on the novus ordo side of things too so I was going to say most novus ordo masses are insular by any definition of the word.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing why go from one direction to the other but not go in the? You know? Why say we have to get rid of the traditional Latin mass but not the Novus Ordo mass? Why do that? Why impose one over the other, when you can simply say we are united in one faith, we are united in one sacrifice. We are united in one belief. We are united in one sacrifice. We are united in one belief, therefore. But we're not. But here we're not. Well, is it a matter of catechesis? Is a? Is it a matter of understanding? Is it a matter of theology? But this is what they don't want to talk about. They don't want to parse out what it is that divides us.
Speaker 2:They just want to say you're not on board with us, You're not with the program. So therefore, your little toy mass has got to go. That's the way they handle it.
Speaker 3:Look, there's man. I saw a video clip of Leo today just talking like I was a little kid, asking him if he went to mass as a kid, and he like tells this whole story about how when he was six years old he was going to the mass and like, like he's got such beautiful catholic piety like he really does. He's got, he's got like this beautiful catholic piety to him. So I'm, I am like I still do have like a little bit of hope. I just I'm, I'm just worried that he's so he's too um timid to do something like of his own. You know, like I I feel like he's he's been so gentle with the making sure the the people who love francis don't think he's not gonna follow along with francis. And I'm worried, that's all. I'm just worried. I would love it if it went, because I think if it went back to samorum there really was a peace in the church at that time. But the problem is, the peace at that time was such a small thing. Back then the Latin Mass was so insignificant. Back when Benedict released that moda proprio, it took Pope Francis and then it took COVID, and those two things are what kind of blew the Latin mass up and the thing is under under Francis.
Speaker 3:We did use the Latin mass as a, as a meeting point to oppose Francis. It wasn't, it wasn't Taylor Marshall, it was. We were like we need to escape whatever the hell is happening in the church right now. And what we found in at these Latin masses was like the faith we were taught and it's like I know you've been doing it since you're a kid, michael, but for me, it was when I started going to the Latin masters in 2017. And it was like a light bulb went off and it was like Whoa, this is the, this is the mass that I learned about from Scott Hahn. Like this is, you know, this is what. Like where heaven meets earth and the angels and the saints are around us and you're seeing the sacrifice of Calvary like that was when it clicked for me.
Speaker 3:So and I think that happened for a lot of people so it was like Francis was doing all this crazy stuff and we were all like what the hell is happening right now? But we found this grounding and this stability in the Latin mass for the average person, so they went there and they fell in love with it, and now there's this devotion to it that that what? That didn't exist back when some more of them came out, right. So, but now that Leo's in, I don't think people are using Latin mass as a as a as a like a meeting place to oppose the Pope anymore, so I don't see why there's any reason to continue the restrictions on it.
Speaker 3:The restrictions that Francis put in is because I think they really saw people were flocking to this thing and it's like whoa Rob taught me he's like every single revolution that has ever happened through history started with 2% of the population, and that's how a revolution starts it starts with 2% and then, all of a sudden, that thing grows and grows, and grows, and that's where we were at before 2020. We were at 2%. Now it's at like 7% of Catholics are attending the Latin mass. It's and I know, I think they see it for what it is.
Speaker 2:I agree. I agree. Now, again, I don't know that people were using the Latin Mass as a meeting place to oppose Francis. I think that they were looking for some place to escape the program of politics that was taking place within the church and the heresy that's run rampant, and this is something that nobody wants to address. They don't want to address the fact that look in these Novus Ordo parishes, you have rampant heresy, and the proof of it is right here, with the AUSCP, this organization right here, fifteen hundred priests with influence all throughout the United States, and what are they pushing? They're pushing this program of women's ordination, lgbtq garbage. Ok, let me tell you something this is going to shock your audience and we can talk more about it on locals. But what if I told you that these men were admitting that they were homosexuals and that they masturbate?
Speaker 3:Oh boy, we got a. We got a crazy local show coming up.
Speaker 2:Kids, when we're talking about this kind of thing in the open and they're saying you know, hey, by the way, uh, not only am I gay, not only am I masturbating, but it's a prayer when I do it and it's a glorious thing, it's a great thing. Not a single person corrected them, not one. Now let me ask you this I walked around the corner because we were having a, a rosary rally, and I hope I hope that Mike Lewis is listening to this, because this is the kind of thing that I'm up against. When I was walking around the cathedral where the bishop, archbishop Gustavo, was celebrating mass for the AUSCP and then singing their praises at the homily, I was walking around holding a sign that said AUSCP supports women's ordination. And as I was rounding the corner, father Frederick Daly, who is a member of the AUSCP he's the priest from Syracuse that said the gay mass, started the mass with namaste and all that nonsense he came around the corner and he saw my sign and he looked at it and he said sure do.
Speaker 2:Now we not I, we meaning the auscp and I said you sure do what support women's ordination. He said yes. I said ordination to what? The priesthood? He said to the diaconate, to the priesthood as bishops, as pope? Why?
Speaker 5:can't they just be gay anglicans not?
Speaker 2:and he had a coterie of other AUSC priests around him. Not a single one of them corrected them. Of course Not one. Yeah, okay, but I keep cutting you off, but I think this is good.
Speaker 2:Yes, cut me off of course, because these men, these priests who have infected the church for the last 60 years, we have a horrible, horrible infection of modernism that has infiltrated every corner of the church. Every single one of us has drunk the waters of modernism. Every single one of us, not one of us, has gotten through this flood of modernism that's filled the church. So these men, they are modernists at the core, which is why they're promoting all this horrible stuff. But modernism is the problem and no one wants to talk about it.
Speaker 2:No one wants to talk about how modernism is changing our understanding of the sacraments, changing our understanding of the structure of the church, which is why we have this synodality of nonsense. Okay, all of this is predicated on modernist ideologies, and I'm not talking about modernism in the colloquial sense. I'm talking about the heresy that was defined in Pashendi, and I would challenge Mike Lewis to read Pashendi Dominici Gregis. Read it, understand it, and then take a look at the church right now, look at the program that's been imposed upon us, and you tell me how it's any different.
Speaker 3:I wanted to just get to this. Oh wait, I don't know if we showed this one. Why do you guys hate 60s folk music that covers about Father Dale? Mary had to to show that, but I have testicles.
Speaker 3:Carl thomas said, anthony, the catholic church has never been and is not political. Christ founded it to spread his word, unite the faithful and to save souls. I completely disagree. Completely disagree.
Speaker 3:Like the church is a political entity, like and if you, if you actually understood how the church operated, like the way, the way christendom started was. Like the secular and the religious are very catholic terms. They're, they're started by augustine, where it's, yes, there are, there is a, a secular realm and there's a religious realm, and and and the priest class and the bishops control the religious realm, but that doesn't mean the secular is completely separate from it. It was always that the secular would enforce the religious for them, like Christendom was meant to be Catholics who, like you were, you were taught and formed in the church and then you went and lived out your faith in the political realm. So, like we have Marco Rubio as a Catholic, joe Biden was a Catholic. All of those Catholics are supposed to be formed in the church and then they go out and they live out their Catholic faith in the political realm.
Speaker 3:So it's like church doesn't endorse a political party. But that doesn't mean the church isn't a political entity. Of course it is.
Speaker 2:Of course it is, because politics politea, meaning the body of the people, that's all it means. Yeah. So if our Lord said go into the world and baptize all nations in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, he's talking about doing something that's political, it's a political act. You're going to the people, you're going to the people, you're going to the understanding of the people. And how do you treat one another? You treat them according to the teachings that Christ gave us, which is with kindness, with understanding and with a spirit of desire for their salvation. That's love. So with that, yes, we have a political understanding of the church. We have to draw people into the faith. We have to draw people towards the salvation of souls. I'm concerned about modernism and immorality and distortion of the faith, but our faith requires doctrinal unity with the successor of Peter. But Peter can't change any of that. Well, we can now have a different pastoral approach that is completely separate from our doctrinal understanding of the morals of the church, is completely and totally patently false.
Speaker 5:The successor of Peter has to have doctrinal unity with the church.
Speaker 2:I was asked once and this was very early on by a bishop, Because I asked him how things were going and what was going on in the church. And the bishop said to me he said how can I be loyal to Peter when Peter is not loyal to the church, when Peter is not loyal to Christ? And it's a valid question. It's a valid question. Peter himself denied Christ three times. So if Peter himself denied christ three times, so if peter himself denied christ three times and this was after he was instituted as pope if peter denied christ three times, then what happens when one of the apostles says you know what? He denied christ, so I should do the same no, so well.
Speaker 3:Well, the question for for us is going to come down to was Francis a one-off, or is what he taught going to be affirmed by successor popes like the Amoris Laetitia and the Fidu that we would say were anomalies?
Speaker 3:in the papacy, that were never, taught before, like are those things going to be taught by successor pope? So, like, if, if leo backs off of those things and rescinds those and then the next pope makes a statement like the it's, it's also then going to be upon mike lewis at that point to remain faithful to the doctrinal unity of Peter at that point. Right, so it's a. It is a it it's going to be one of those things that we're going to have to see play out. I think we need to go over to locals that's what I think, because Michael has some bombshells he's going to release over there. I have a crazy story of me and my wife bumping into an ex-girlfriend of mine two, two ex-girlfriends you told that story not on air.
Speaker 3:I told that to you. I told that to you in the green room. Are you sure? I promised you that was not on air. I said no we're saving this for locals well, I don't know the story, so I'm looking for two, two ex-girlfriends in a week that we bumped into oh no, it was one of them got pretty bad, so we're gonna do that sleeping on the couch ever since she handled it well.
Speaker 3:She handled it well, but my kids were there for one of them and my, my son goes. My son goes, dad, you made the right choice. One of them didn't age so well. My kids are there. They're like oh, who is this? I'm like, oh, this is actually my girlfriend. Before mommy and my son pulled me aside. He goes, thank God, dad, like thank God you found mommy. But the other one was a little bit rougher, the other one was not not so smooth. So we're going to do that. And then I also have a video of of a little kid running away from home and his parents allowing him and he kind of freaks out. And I want to talk about disciplining our children and we're going to hang for a while. We got we got a big show left. The show didn't even begin. So we're gonna hang for a while. We got a, we got a big show left. The show didn't even begin.
Speaker 5:So we're gonna go over the locals.
Speaker 3:Michael, it's been an hour and 10 minutes oh yeah, I got a long night ahead of me. So, michael, what are we promoting? We have uh lepanto institute on youtube.
Speaker 2:Yep, rob's uh it's just us, michael. Okay, all right. So we've got um. Yeah, come come to the lepanto institute, lepanto inorg. Uh, we've got um. Yeah, come come to the lapanto institute, lapanto inorg. Uh, we've got a series of reports we're going to be putting out in the very near future. I've got a super bombshell, uh, about something going on in the archdiocese of santa fe that we'll be reporting on. Um. I can't say a whole lot about it right now, but, but it's going to be huge.
Speaker 2:I'll say that it's. It's pretty huge. We've got a lot of reports regarding the AUSCP that we're going to put out. I mean, when we've got little stickers that I collected from the AUSCP meeting, love is love, isn't that cute? Yeah, very cute.
Speaker 3:Also, I am trying to build my twitter subscriber base, so if you guys are following me on twitter and you oh, what'd you do to him?
Speaker 3:nothing, I don't know, just disappeared I'm going to be, uh, doing some fun stuff on there too. So if you guys want to go, subscribe to me on twitter and we'll, uh, we'll, we'll have some stuff coming up there. But yes, locals, it is for now. If you guys are not subscribed to locals, please go over there. Locals is not free in any way because Anthony needs to get money off of us to pay for his boat. This is not even a lie. That is fairly accurate. Well, I won't stream it on X for free. You have to pay for it on.
Speaker 5:I'll put a clip of it out. I won't put the whole thing out, but if you're a youtube member, you get nothing.
Speaker 2:Yes, you want to just give me the script and let me record it and then you can just play it at the beginning and end of the program listen.
Speaker 3:We also. We have a two-month pause on recusant sellers. Two or three months, yeah, we have a. We have a uh. So for all of july and august there, and maybe even september they're not because they can't ship wine in the summer months, so they're on pause right now. So if you guys can super chat, join locals, subscribe to my ex, whatever you guys can to help us out, we'll see you guys on the other side. Rob, take us out, we're over there. Okay, hold on, we'll play something. You should play an outro song.
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Speaker 3:Okay, we're on locals only just us on locals. Um, yeah, dude, so all right. So the first one was we went to a graduation party. Um, and it's, it was an old high school friend. So we, we went to my, me and my wife have a friend from high school and they, your old high school friend, finally graduated no.
Speaker 3:So their kid graduated and me and my wife are still friends with them. So we went there and while we were there, my ex-girlfriend was there, who was my girlfriend when I was like 16. And I had like two drinks at me and my wife was talking. My wife was friendly with her and stuff she was. You know, it was fine. But my kids come over and they're like, oh, who's this? I'm like, oh, that was my girlfriend before mommy. And my wife just looks over at me and she's like that's how you introduce her, Like she was annoyed.
Speaker 5:Well, there probably was a better way yeah.
Speaker 3:My son later on. He goes what the hell were you? I'm like, oh, she was really pretty when we were younger. I'm telling you Mommy was prettier.
Speaker 3:Well, yes, my wife was definitely prettier, but and then when we were at fire island this weekend, I had like a corner slip that everybody had to walk by. And this girl is walking by and she's, she's there and she's like art, like doing something on her phone, and like my brother made a comment to her about her not knowing how to use her phone or something, and and then she was talking with my brother and her husband was there and I'm talking with her husband. I look over at the girl and I'm like I'm like what's your wife's name? He's like Lori. I'm like I've known Lori for a very long time and then, like she realized who I was. Now this is the girl, all right.
Speaker 3:So me and my wife started dating. We dated when we were like 15 and then we broke up for two years and then, senior year, we started dating again. And then my wife, when senior year was over, she went to college and when she left for college she went to Chicago for a year and, uh, when she first left, I didn't know what was going to happen between us. So I, I don't know, I hung out with another girl. So, um, I'm trying to uh, just bring locals, the locals chat up here. Um, hang on one sec. I want to make sure I could see the comments on this. Okay, all right.
Speaker 3:So, um, so the? So she recognizes me, the girl I'm like, oh, I'm like, hi, lori. She's like, oh, my God, anthony. She's like, and you're Nicole, and my wife's sitting there and she's going how the hell does this girl know my husband and know my name? And she knows my wife's name because I was my. I was still technically dating my wife when she left for Chicago. I was hanging out with this girl and the girl fell in love with me. I was like I broke it off with her because I was staying with my wife.
Speaker 2:Your girlfriend, who became your wife.
Speaker 3:Let's be clear Me and my wife. When she first left until I visited her that first time when she was at college, I didn't know what was going to happen. Then, when I visited her that first time when she was at college, like I didn't know what was gonna happen there. Then, when I visited you're rationalizing it yeah, so I basically so.
Speaker 3:So the girl's like having this conversation with my wife and she knows her name and she knows all this stuff about us, so they wind up leaving. The husband was kind of like like didn't make much of it, I guess, but as soon as the girl left, my wife lost it. She was flipping. Who the hell was that girl? How do you know her? And I'm like all right, so I had to tell her. I'm like you know, when you went to Chicago, she's like now this was in a very rough period of time in my life and my wife's like how far did this go? And I was like I don't know, like it was very long time ago, like I don't know 20 years ago.
Speaker 3:28 years ago 28 years ago, like me and my wife were 43. Now this is when I was 18, right so 25 years ago like I don't, and I told her I don't know and she thought I was lying to her, so it made her more mad because she's like you're just covering up and I'm like I literally don't know, like I don't know if I just kissed her, I don't know if I hung out with her for a month, for six. I don't have any memory.
Speaker 5:You know, it's kind of. It's kind of like um conditional baptisms if there's no positive doubt, just say didn't go anywhere but I didn't want to lie to her, so I just told, like I said, positive doubt that's true.
Speaker 3:I should have just been like, oh, I just, I don't know, I didn't want to lie, I was just like look. So she got super mad at this and she was like furious the whole night and then like something happened where no, no, do not go further no, like I think. I think she liked the idea of another girl. Girls are so sick, women are sick, wait I I missed.
Speaker 2:I think it turned my wife on jealousy some other girl liked me.
Speaker 3:Like the jealousy turned, it took a totally different route. It was very interesting. He just couldn't even take it. It was so awkward, it was just so freaking weird man. This whole freaking weekend I I, that was an accident, oh okay I thought you were just not
Speaker 3:comfortable, yet to leave Rob bring up. While we're on the subject of families, we're really going to try to redeem the show, bring up the video of the little kid because this is interesting and I think, especially with both of you as fathers and if we have any young guys that are going to be fathers or or parents that have kids now and stuff. It's a. It's an interesting video because it made me think of my childhood and the times my parents didn't discipline me and how that affected me.
Speaker 5:Oh, we just saw how it affected you yeah that's true.
Speaker 2:We just had a story on that, yeah.
Speaker 5:Okay, hold on, let me.
Speaker 2:I got to reset up sharing here Two stories, in fact, wow, two stories.
Speaker 3:I share too much on this program. I don't know why I can't help myself. Bye.
Speaker 8:Have a good night, have a good night, bye, see you later. See you later, be safe, bye.
Speaker 1:Have a good night, bye, see you later. See you later, be safe, bye. Really what, what happened?
Speaker 5:What? What happened? What happened?
Speaker 1:What's wrong? What's?
Speaker 3:wrong. I don't want to go.
Speaker 4:Oh, you don't want to go, ah.
Speaker 5:The laughing. That is pretty sick actually.
Speaker 3:But it's an interesting thing to show because kids want to be disciplined, right like that kid wanted his story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll tell you a story. When I was, I think, about four years old, um, I got in trouble for something, I got swatted for it. So I went to a piece of paper and I took a crayon and I wrote mom. And then I put a big X through mom and I handed the paper to my mom and I said you're off my list.
Speaker 7:I was mad.
Speaker 2:Well, a little while later I totally forgotten about it and I went up to her and I asked for lunch because I was hungry, and she just kind of shrugged her shoulders and he said she said I can't do that, I'm off your list. And I burst into tears ran downstairs, got the piece of paper and wrote mom back on the piece of paper, handed to her and said you're back on my list now such an innocent story too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mine's not so innocent oh really really well it.
Speaker 3:I remember when I was like 15, it was so all right, so I, I have eight siblings, and there was, so it's the older group of four, it's so I'm third, right, so it's my sister michelle, my brother don, then me, then my brother mikey, then there's an eight-year gap between mikey and joey and then there's five kids in a row that my parents had. So now when I was 15, my parents had five kids and five young toddlers in the house. It was an infant and it was mayhem and I was fighting so much with my parents and, um, I I remember having, yeah, when I was 15, like fighting bad, like I was their problem child, like I was just a bad team. And, um, there was, I wound up like leaving and going and staying with my friend and I assumed that my parents would come and get me. I mean, I was 15 years old and my dad was going, right, you didn't have a cell phone or anything like that.
Speaker 5:No, nothing like that.
Speaker 3:I don't know where you were like, but they did know where I was and I would. I just assumed like there's no way they're gonna let me get away with this, like they're gonna come and get me and like because I was not home for like two, three days at this point, and they never came and got me and I remember, like I remember being really sad and upset that like I thought my parents didn't care about me. You know, like I was, like I was like they don't even give a where.
Speaker 3:My dad's point of view was you're causing so much mayhem in this house. Oh, you think you're an adult, you want to go live on your own. Go ahead, go live on your own. And he was trying to do a tough love approach. But like I think, even as teenagers, like when your kid does something wrong, if you don't punish them, they'll, like I remember perceiving it as my parents don't love me. Like if you spare the rod of your kid, like you're sparing your child of love, right, it's not, I don't know, man, like I, I have like deep psychological effects of that instance in my life from that.
Speaker 2:The video just kind of brought it up to me it's kind of like going and playing hide and seek and your parents going oh yeah, go ahead and go hide, I'll go hunt for you. And then two hours later you're like where are you?
Speaker 5:they don't come. I forgot to turn on the supporter only thing, so everyone could just hurt what you?
Speaker 3:oh my gosh rob, you're the worst. I don't think people click on it, unless they're supporters.
Speaker 5:Um, I'm gonna show all these videos to a therapist one day and get like a diagnosis for you.
Speaker 3:Well, therapy is one of those things where I think anybody that goes to like therapy for too long like, I think probably therapy can help somebody like if they're in like an immediate therapy yeah, that's how I look. I really do. I think, like talking to you guys, I don't get paid enough.
Speaker 3:Then no yeah, I don't know, man, I think I think, like some of the bad behavior that I had stemmed from my parents lack of disciplining me because they had so much going on with the younger kid which is, look like michael, you have eight kids, right? How do you make sure you give because I met your son, your son is amazing and like, how do you make sure you give each kid the individual attention you need to give them so that they don't feel like they're kind of just like in the bunch? Because I remember feeling like that a lot as a kid. My dad would take all of us to do something, but I never spent like a lot of one-on-one time with my dad. Like it's difficult when you have that many kids, right.
Speaker 2:Sure, well, you know, the kids basically do their own thing all day long if they're, if they're home cause we homeschool. So you know, if they're in class, they're all sitting around, they're all doing their classwork, and typically I go to work anyway. So in the evenings we all have dinner together. Every night we all eat, unless somebody's working or they've got some commitment, but by and large we have dinner together all together. We all say prayers in the morning together and we all say prayers in the evening together. Prayers at the beginning of the day and at the end of the day ground us because it's something that we're all doing, we're all unified in. And then, you know, I'll play a game with the younger kids, or I'll sit around and I'll talk to the older kids know Sonia in a while, so I want to see what she's up to or I, you know, I haven't spent a whole lot of time with Damien, so I'm going to toss them in the air for a little while.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and you can. Often, you know the kids will kind of let you know in their own way when they need time. You know, alone time with you is what I've noticed.
Speaker 3:Well, not just that, michael, you took your son to the Catholic identity conference and like we got to spend that one-on-one time not one-on-one, but like we hung out with you, like I met your son and spent the weekend hanging out with your son, and it's like I think things like that are important, where, when they hit a certain age and they're old enough, to do a certain go to the.
Speaker 3:So like last night, um, my son had he. He called me yesterday while I'm at work. He's like dad, do you mind if my friends come over and play poker?
Speaker 5:I'm like, yeah, fine, you know to tell all, all parts of the story, yet yep so my son's like dad, can my friends come over and play poker?
Speaker 3:and I'm like, yeah, no problem. See, all his friends are in the backyard playing poker. My son comes in. He's like dad, come out and play with us, like we? We like, yeah, no problem. So all his friends are in the backyard playing poker. And my son comes in. He's like dad, come out and play with us. Like we, we want you to play.
Speaker 3:And I was tired, like I worked all day. He's like come out and play with us. I'm like, nick, I'm not going to to go play cards with him. And his friend like, how do you not go? So I'm like, all right, I'll go out. So I sit down with them. It's eight o'clock. I go, look, I'm staying until 10 pm. Like I'm not staying past 10 pm. I'm just telling you I'm hanging out from 8 to 10.
Speaker 3:I sit down with they're all 19, 19 and 20. They're playing cards. They're playing no, uh, no limit, hold them. And I and the one friend goes to me. He goes, he goes, I'm coming for you, mr abadi. I'm like, oh, you're coming for me, are you? I cleaned every one of these kids out last night. Michael, when I tell you. I won 306, so I bought him for 100. I won 368 on top of the hunt, so I took out 468. I at 10 o'clock pm, I finished I, I cashed out. I took 468 dollars out. I threw my son 60 and I your friends are welcome here anytime, nick and I walked out. You're never playing cards with us again, abadi.
Speaker 5:I got this picture.
Speaker 3:It was so fun to hang with my son and his friends, though it was just such a Because my son's an adult now. It's such a different experience. You brought your son to come to the Catholic and I hung out and had drinks with your son. I got to know him. It was a really awesome experience.
Speaker 5:As your kids like, it's such a different and after hearing your stories tonight, michael regrets that very much now jason.
Speaker 3:Jason texted yes, anthony, that's called a hustle you and your son hustled his friends.
Speaker 3:For an italian, it's just another day oh man, parenting is just an interesting thing because when they're little it's a, it's such a different relationship. But as they get bigger, like you're, you're like, they're like. My son's a man now, so it's like, I don't know like and and I remember the. The most exciting part was when he was around 14 and I was able to to have deep theological discussions with him and talk to him about the faith and get into typology with him, and I remember the moment where the faith went from him just going to church because I was making him to, all of a sudden he believed the faith and he understood all these deeper concepts and stuff.
Speaker 5:Chad is pointing out the difference between you and Michael. Michael takes his son to Catholic conferences.
Speaker 9:You go and steal money from your son's friends.
Speaker 3:I don't know what to tell you, guys. I am who I am.
Speaker 5:That's just Italian Catholicism right there.
Speaker 3:But it is because while we were sitting there playing, like I bring deeper because I'm trying to convert his friends too, like while we're sitting there, while I'm stealing their money, I'm trying to convert them.
Speaker 2:This is called almsgiving everyone and then I just sent you a link to a video that I demand that you give to rob, to pick and play okay, wait, let me see hang on.
Speaker 3:Uh, oh my gosh, this is gonna be, amazing. Hang on. Wait, rob, I'm sending it now, hang on I should have.
Speaker 5:I should have your son follow you around with the camera all day.
Speaker 3:We were talking about like even doing like when I, when I get my boat back, like me and him doing like excursions together, like doing like boat vlogging or something, but I'm like it'll take away from like the time we spend together. I see the way vloggers exist and their whole life is for the camera and you're talking to the end. It's like you miss out on the moment, for.
Speaker 5:We should have sent this to Taffy to put ants' faces on this guy.
Speaker 7:Yeah right.
Speaker 8:He doesn't always speak, but when he does, both hands are involved. His GPS only gives directions in loud hand gestures. His gym playlist is just audio recordings of his family arguing. His protein shakes are 50% whey, 50% gabagool. He was born holding a slice of pizza. He only dates women who remind him of his mother and then cries when they act like her. He has a toothpick in his mouth even though he hasn't eaten in four hours. His morning alarm is just his mother yelling that he's wasting his life. He believes putting pineapple on pizza is a war crime. When he hears someone pronounce bruschetta incorrectly, a vein pops in his forehead. He uses olive oil both as moisturizer and cologne. His name is Mario. His brother's name is Luigi. He calls his mom mama, even at 47 while robbing a bank he smells like cologne cash and someone else's wife.
Speaker 8:His tinder profile says must cook like my mother, even though he still lives with her. He believes a man should never cry unless Italy loses to France. He once ghosted a woman by driving past her house 14 times. He wears a gold chain heavier than most small children. He once killed a mafia boss with spaghetti. He is the most Italian man in the world.
Speaker 3:I want that espresso. I don't always drink in my car.
Speaker 4:But when I do, it's whatever was left over from the wedding. I wasn't invited to Stay overly dramatic, my friend.
Speaker 3:Wait, wait. Brian Walsh says Anthony, reality show Anthony, getting boozed up, demanding family rosary and then going off on a 10-minute rant during a meditation on one of the Sorrowful Mysteries. I've done that, sober I, one of the sorrowful mysteries. I've done that, sober. I do that, sober I. Like a spent. No, like the coronation of our lady. I've done like 20 minute homilies with my kids plenty of hand gestures I love the coronation. It's my favorite mystery sure yeah same here.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's dangerous when he prays the rosary, because he's got that thing swinging, as he's doing his hand gestures I get mad when my kids mispronounce latin or when they say among and not amongst.
Speaker 3:Oh, that doesn't my kids know, better they would talk from a young age and never to do that and that's like, or say you instead of thou. Yeah, my kids say the rosary properly, I promise you. Yeah, I just I don't know. I was thinking about like directions to go on this show.
Speaker 5:You chose some interesting ones.
Speaker 3:I knew I was going to drink a couple of beers and I figured I'd just open up with you guys. Wait, michael had another video that he sent me, rob, we got to go over this one. It's it's King Henry the eighth.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, yeah, we got to go over the King.
Speaker 3:Henry the eighth, if it was in modern times, and he's arguing with the Pope on Twitter. Look, rob, look up Henry 8.0.
Speaker 2:It stars Brian Blessed. Look up, henry 8.0. It stars Brian Blessed, look up Henry 8.0. Yeah, henry, 8.0.
Speaker 3:We got a pretty big local.
Speaker 5:There's a few of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go with the, whichever the one that you were watching, anthony, that's the one. Yeah, wait, brian.
Speaker 5:Blessed swearing compilation no, no, no, henry 8.0.
Speaker 3:Pope and glory. Pope, yes, that one. Yeah, pope and glory okay oh also, uh, michael, we have to, we have to figure out a conference. Yeah, we have to get, we have to get joe mclean, because he's got like the radio station behind them. You gotta get him to organize the conference. And we gotta do me, you like josh, um, uh, joe, uh, maybe, uh, anthony stein, like we gotta do, like our group, like, yes, like our group, we gotta get together and do a conference which just does you bet yeah, let.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's do it. I've got to talk to Joe McLean about that. Alright, let's go with it, rob, because I didn't watch this when Michael sent it to me, though.
Speaker 4:One, two, three smile Cheeky, Cheeky bastard. The Pope's just blocked me. What Pope Gregory's just blocked me on Twitter?
Speaker 6:Perhaps he's sick of you taunting him, henry, it's not taunting Catherine, it's friendly banter. Like sending him all those pictures of his face photoshopped onto different farmyard animals. Maybe he doesn't like being a pig or a duck.
Speaker 4:I just found them on the internet and I thought he might be interested.
Speaker 6:You didn't just find them, henry, you spent the whole afternoon making them. You even missed cash in the attic. You never miss cash in the attic.
Speaker 4:Well, he's so damnably smug. Have you seen his latest update Sitting on the balcony with a cup of tea and a mint yo-yo at the faithful god? I love being the pontiff, by the way, um, and have we got any mint, yo-yos?
Speaker 6:you know we haven't, henry. If you want some, you'll have to add them to the shopping basket and they'll come in the next he's getting along too well with Catherine. It's your Wednesday. I want one now. You only want one because the Pope's having one.
Speaker 4:No, I just fancy one. I was thinking that even before I saw that he was having one.
Speaker 6:Have a Kit Kat instead.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no, no. I want something minty.
Speaker 6:Why don't you have a Kit Kat with a little bit of toothpaste on top? I bet it'll taste exactly the same.
Speaker 4:Well, are you retarded If you eat a Satsuma and a? Yorkie at the same time, it doesn't magically taste like a chocolate orange. No, I want the real thing.
Speaker 6:Well, we haven't got any.
Speaker 4:You know you could always pop out and get some. Got any, you know you could always pop out and get some. Oh.
Speaker 6:Henry, I'm right in the middle of ironing your big pants. No, you'll have to wait.
Speaker 3:Where's Ray come from.
Speaker 4:You know, technically that's treason.
Speaker 6:Not this again, Henry.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying it sounded a bit treason-y. You've got to be careful. I don't make rules. Why do you always have to bring?
Speaker 6:bit treason-y. You've got to be careful Treason-y. I don't make rules. Why do you always have to bring up treason?
Speaker 4:I'm just saying have you ever seen someone hung, drawn and quartered? It's really, really messy.
Speaker 6:All right, I'll go and get you some.
Speaker 4:Anything else? Yes, yes, yes. A lottery scratch card and one of those puzzle books and a Kinder surprise. Right, and give us your Twitter login so I can drop the Pope a line. I just found a picture of him getting milked. Moo Moo, treason-y.
Speaker 3:Technically that's a treason. I like the. It's a bit treasony because I those bits have to be him just being a total degenerate and trying to kill all his wives what are you retarded?
Speaker 2:that was actually great my kids yell that at each other, for every once in a while somebody says something stupid. What are you retarded?
Speaker 3:my wife gets very upset at that word and we had this whole debate on it the other day and she's like but it's just like, my wife is just so sensitive about words and she's like she's I don't like retarded and I don't like fag. I'm like you are such a retarded fag. It's not even, and then I was just trying to upset her with it. Michael, how did you meet your wife?
Speaker 2:How did I meet my wife? So we were at Christendom College and when I was a senior, so I was, what was that? 22? And she was 18? No, 23. I was 23. And so I was walking in, it was fall semester and I was going to the lunchroom and I stopped. I was like, okay, well, I wonder if anybody's here that I know, and I'm sitting there scanning a line. Now a little bit about me. Over the course of my years, growing up and on, into the dating years and everything else, I always prayed at some point Lord, you know, guide me towards my wife. You know, help me to recognize her when she comes. And, and you know, whenever I dated somebody, I would invariably say Lord, if this is the one, please make it work, and if it's not, well, end it so that it doesn't work anymore. And it was such an efficient prayer because it worked every single time, that I stopped praying it every once in a while, because I was afraid of the answer Every relationship ended.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, every single one, and it was almost instantaneous every time. So, anyway, here I am, I'm scanning the lunchroom and my eyes go down the line and I stop right on her and I'm staring at her and in my mind I hear there's your wife and I was like I don't even know her name. That's. This is crazy.
Speaker 3:Pretty wild story.
Speaker 2:So I said, okay, well then, christendom always has a luau in the fall to kind of acclimate and introduce people so that everybody gets to know each other. It's it's like this big college-wide dance, except it's outside yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5:They should really do the hawaiian pigeon bible readings at it oh, that would be fun, that would be fun.
Speaker 2:so, uh, they're playing music and people are playing volleyball and dancing around and and so I go out and I see her and I was like I'll ask her to dance. So I did and she danced well, and I love dancing anyway. So we danced together and then we danced again and then we spent most of the evening just continuing to dance. And now sometimes Christendom would have a what they called the military ball. So in the fall they would have this military ball where people would dress up in either uniform or in period gear or whatever 1940s, and it was a big swing dance and sometimes they'd have a dance competition. And I said you know, they sometimes have a dance competition and you dance pretty well, maybe we should pair up and practice.
Speaker 2:You entered a dance competition with her. Well, we practiced for a dance competition. The competition never happened. Practiced for a dance competition? Uh, the competition never happened. But our week nights, some of our week nights and our weekends were spent just getting together and dancing.
Speaker 2:And uh, it's a lot more romantic than anthony telling his wife she'd look hot if she got her braces off like all right, let michael finish the story and then I'll tell my kids we have any newbies in the audience so, so, within a month, we we started dating, but I had to wait four years for her to college, and then, uh, we got married.
Speaker 3:Uh, a month after she graduated did you, did you guys ever have like a rough period in your marriage or everything?
Speaker 2:marriage or well dating? Yeah, not, no.
Speaker 3:Well, I just mean like because marriage is hard right, like there's like sometimes it's financial struggles, sometimes you're just bickering, you're not getting along like growing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know there's always growing to be done. There were there were different periods in in our marriage where I made realizations that gosh. You know she doesn't like it. When I come home from work and the first thing I I do is I plop on the Xbox and I play a football game.
Speaker 5:She doesn't like it when I call people retarded fags. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I and you know she she's very sanguine, so she's very accommodating, but she also is very expressive and there are times when I could tell that she was hurt and I would. It would cause me to reevaluate and I would say, okay, when I was a child, I spoke as a child, I did childish things, but now that I'm an adult, I need to put away these childish things. And so I had to grow up. I had some growing up to do and I had to put away those things that I'd always enjoyed as a bachelor and say I really shouldn't be playing video games and you know, maybe I shouldn't, we, we should, we should get rid of the tv. I don't think we really need it. What games did you play? Oh, you know, football mostly, but um, it's not like I was. Uh, I mean we, we didn't have, he wasn't he wasn't playing Fortnite and it didn't exist.
Speaker 2:I think that was all after me anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we we had me and my wife had a couple of rough years. Man, it was just like there were periods where, like, everything I said annoyed her and everything she said annoyed me, and it was just like, all right, we just have to give each other a little space. And it's been like the past, like since since COVID, since 2020, especially like I've, I think our, like me and her were just talking about it. It was like we've never had a period this long where we were just like excited to see each other every day and like, I don't know, she's just like head over heels over me and stuff. It's very weird.
Speaker 5:And then you saw your two exes.
Speaker 3:Yes, Everything kind of went. Hey why over the weekend.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, one one time cause my wife she does some spiritual reading and then I do some spiritual reading and and every once in a while we share what we're reading about, and but there was one point where she was reading something and it really stuck with her and she she described that love in marriage is trying to outdo the other in generosity.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the I mean she came across that statement or that quote. I don't know where she found it, but it was one of those things that she said to me that stuck with me big time, and so I try to remember that. And I try to remember if I'm going to really try to get as much out of this marriage as I possibly can, I need to be as generous as possible with my wife, and it really goes down to what, uh, what St Paul exhorted uh of of the men and women in marriage. You know, men, you know, give yourself love, your wife, as Christ loved the church, which is a sacrificial love. You have to lay down your life, you have to be willing to die to yourself and then in reality, if needs be, for the sake of your bride. And if I'm not willing to do that, then what am I doing?
Speaker 3:I think all three of us are very fortunate in the women we met absolutely because I I've taught.
Speaker 3:I was talking to a friend the other day and he was like you know, he's a very catholic guy and he's like you know, you get married and you don't realize the woman you're married to until like years later. And then you start to find all these things about her where, like, she takes advantage of the male instinct especially as a Catholic man, where your, your instinct is to be a sacrificial man and, like you, kind of become a doormat. And then all of a sudden that like, like, there's nothing, there's not really much of a chemistry between the two of you anymore and the kids. You start bickering over how to raise the kids and then the next thing, you know, you're like roommates and there's nothing there between you. You know, and it's like I don't know, I don't know for you, for you younger guys that are still watching and like and, and you're trying to figure that out, like, it's very important, because what you just said about the, if you both go into a marriage and you're both, instead of looking at it, well, she didn't do this for me, she didn't do this for me If you're both going into it, looking like, how can I like sweep her off her feet today and she's looking at it like how can I dote on my man today?
Speaker 3:You know like you just have such a happier home. You know like, like I came home today and I got home a little early and she knew I had a show tonight and I walked in and she's like, are you hungry? I'm like I'm like, yeah, I could eat. And she's like I'm like I'll find something. Like don't worry about it. Like she had something to do tonight. She's not home tonight and she's like scrambling to make me something. I'm like, stop worrying. Like I'm going to, I'll make a sandwich. Like it's not that big of a deal. Like relax. She's like, no, no, no, I want to make sure everything's fine, but that took a while. Like it wasn't always on the giving that we should have, not what we get out of it. And when we start to look at our marriages as, what can I give to my wife? What?
Speaker 2:can I give to my family that you find a huge sense of peace. You know what is it that makes us angry, you know it just Anthony.
Speaker 2:Rob, you freaking come out with gems every once in a while, but just just the nature of anger. What is it that that makes? That causes anger? Anger is caused because something happened that is outside of your control, that is against your will. That's the source of anger. That's what causes us to be angry. Something happened that is against my will. I didn't want it to happen. Or something didn't happen that I wanted to happen, so it didn't happen, which is against my will, so it's a thwarting of the will.
Speaker 2:But when we enter into the marriage and you say I want to give as much as I can, I want to give my wife what I can, I want to give my children what I can, that giving you have complete and total control over, which means everything that you give is in accordance with your will and there's nothing to be angry about, especially if you don't have any expectations.
Speaker 2:And that's the hardest part is you have to sever the expectations and say I'm going to give because it's the right thing to do, I'm going to give because it is the loving thing to do and I don't care what the response is. But if the response is good, well, so much the better. But if you don't place an expectation on it, then you can't get angry because you don't have any will to be thwarted. So a lot of it has to do with taming the will, which is why the saints tell us to practice the virtues. And how do we practice the virtues? If you want to be patient, practice patience. If you want to be temperate, tap, practice temperance. You, you have to say I'm going to deny something of myself so that I can achieve some good, so that I can master this aspect of my will which needs mastering so somebody said uh, modern marriage is basically, um, you stick together until you don't feel love anymore and then you go and move on and get an annulment or something.
Speaker 3:I saw that comment. I can't find it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's kind of how it's handled.
Speaker 3:Um, okay, so I'm going to. Um, rob, I just sent you something, but don't click on my thing. Click on the quote tweet. You know, like I quote tweeted something. So Trad Girl, she wrote a tweet and this is a good one to bring up. People have took the pictures, people have said that in locals. Michael, hilarious, they got you in a Mario Bob. Pull that picture up, Not until you say it right. Mario, it's not.
Speaker 5:Mario, no, not until. You say it right, mario, it's not Mario, not until you say it right, all right, mario.
Speaker 3:It's.
Speaker 2:Mario.
Speaker 3:You got to see this picture, michael, you as a gamer.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, they made my face look fat and everything All right, so Rob the tweet I just said, so don't show mine yet.
Speaker 3:Mine is the conclusion, but I want to so bring up the tweet I just said, so don't show mine yet. Mine is the conclusion, but I want to so bring up a track girl's tweet what she said, because it's like this beautiful thing this is, this is a dilemma. I want to see how you boys handle this. Michael, do you have to run? I feel terrible.
Speaker 5:It's late before, before he runs, he's got to tell us stories from the conference that he was.
Speaker 3:Everyone in the chat. Oh, they gotta wait for that. No, no, we're doing this. And then we'll get to michael's stories from the conference okay, oh crap, I just unshared my screen.
Speaker 3:Give me a second, here we go we still got a very big live chat in the on the local server. I don't off tomorrow so I'm not in a rush to like All right. So she said marriage is indissoluble. Adultery is no exception and everybody's cheering for that Because I think most people's minds go to well, the husband with the little infidelity with the husband, the wife has no right to leave him. Then go to my tweet. Go to my tweet because this is an interesting story.
Speaker 5:Do you want the video? Yeah, let's play the video.
Speaker 3:So now this girl is.
Speaker 7:She was a high school, were you aware?
Speaker 3:do you want to talk? I'll give a setup before you play it. So this girl's a high school teacher and she groomed her 15 year old student, all right, and uh, she's very attractive. And she, you know, she groomed this student and the student finally broke it off. And then the mother saw text messages and now the woman's facing like 50 counts against her, but the husband is standing by her. Now look how they're embarrassing this husband. Look what they say to him.
Speaker 2:Are those 52 new charges?
Speaker 9:How do you feel? How do you feel knowing she was sneaking this child into your home and hiding any evidence?
Speaker 6:judge mia mcpherson denied christina.
Speaker 3:Now she is being charged with like 50 counts of child grooming or whatever. Sure, um? But let's say something like that happens to your wife. She's very remorseful and she wants to make amends and you have a sacramental marriage I think the question question is whether it is or not whether what is what we're not whether it is a marriage
Speaker 2:well, if they went before the lord and they made vows and those vows were valid and they were said without any coercion, then it's a valid marriage and that's, that's the end of it. Um, and that marriage cannot be dissolved by any means, for any reason, and and that's that's the end of it. That does not mean that the spouse has to stick by the side of their offending spouse through the course of a particular trial. So suppose your spouse murdered your children? Okay, and that's happened, that in fact, there's a case of that right now, where a husband murdered his two children and then ran to canada. Um, there's no reason that the woman would ever have to welcome him to the house at all.
Speaker 2:Okay, now it would be an extraordinary grace if he came back remorseful and wanted to reconcile, and it would be an extraordinary grace for her to at least be welcoming of him into the household, to the extent that that could happen, but it's not an obligation. So at certain points there is a valid reason for separation. A valid reason for separation, and you're supposed to be talking to your priest or your bishop and getting permission for separation in such cases, and they have to be pretty extreme, usually with the idea of reconciling at some point, but something egregious like that, like your spouse murdered your children or something to that extent there would be no obligation of remarriage or anything along those lines. But at the end of the day it's a matter of look, there's a grace, there's forgiveness. But if there's a damaged or harmed relationship, you don't have to reconcile, you just don't.
Speaker 3:Well, it's kind of the grace you're talking about. It's kind of like. I mean, what we're talking about is what Catherine of Aragon dealt with right Like she was humiliated.
Speaker 2:She will be canonized. I think I do too.
Speaker 3:If there's ever a woman who should have a cult around her and be canonized it is her.
Speaker 3:I mean the humiliation that poor woman endured and she never for a second, ever, gave in. She said, no, henry is my, my rightful husband. Our marriage is sacramental, and that is that, like she never budged on that. And that's really the point of the church not granting annulments willy-nilly. It's like it's for the harmed spouse. Because that, because catherine never moved on and went and married somebody else, she said, no, I'm a faithful catholic. I will never, like henry, you go, be as dubious as you want. You want to go to hell, that's on you, but I will never not be the faithful wife I. I promised myself to you and I took a vow before God.
Speaker 2:So, catherine, oh, there you go again. Henry, why are you bringing up freezing?
Speaker 3:So, like situations like that, though, like I do think if one of the spouses has a moment of infidelity and like you know, like if the guy goes out and gets drunk and he makes a mistake or the girl gets caught up and she has like a fling, like I do think there is an obligation to reconcile if the the one that this, if the offending spouse is seeking that, like I do so, like like trevor trevor, uh trevor from uh tridentine said to that tweet he said a lot of people giving this guy crap. Uh, he said lots of people ragging on that guy. But to forgive and be by your wife after a betrayal and crime like that is her is heroic I agree.
Speaker 2:I agree, now, there's no obligation for him to do this and I I think that he he should at least to some extent acknowledge the harm done to the, to the young man yeah um you. You can't separate what, oh no.
Speaker 5:I don't know why they did it, but Anthony, a rabbi.
Speaker 3:Yes, the harm done to the kid, that's an important part, right? I think so, I think so, so, but for the people to berate him.
Speaker 2:That's an important part, right? I think so. I think so. So, but for the people to berate him like this, as if he what's he supposed to do? Turn around and say you horrible human being, I have nothing to do with you. Slap, slap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, come on, that's just, it's just the whole world is laughing at you and just like calling you a cock and it's just like. That is a brutal humiliation to go through. But it's also probably a redemptive suffering, like if you know, especially if you could save your wife's soul through it. Like, let's, like that's, that's a huge part of like. If this guy is thinking like that, like there is there's a redemption arc in that story, it's just so incredibly humiliating I don't know. I mean, god bless the guy for, like, if he's doing it for the right reason.
Speaker 5:Bobby in the chat made a good point. If the roles were reversed they would never uh never berate the wife no, never no.
Speaker 3:And on top of that, uh, a lot like, when I saw a comment in the chat, somebody said, uh, they were like yeah, the kid, you know the kid's the goat, oh, you know this and that like, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3:I used to think that like, but until I saw, like, the psychopathy of these women that do this, because you see these stories all the time. Now it's like teacher has an affair with her 16 year old student, like there's something going on, especially with modern women, where this is kind of why I wanted to talk about marriage a little bit tonight, because especially if you marry couples, married men like you have to make sure you're like women, are they? They're very like if they don't feel seen. Oh, and then somebody shows them some attention, especially in the modern world and their own social media. I just see this story happening over and over and over again and it's like I don't know man not to mention what their secular, you know, female friends are telling them are telling them right Like well, this is why I think that it's important for husbands to pray with their wives.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's there's obvious, the obvious, obviously, the intimacy of raising a family, but there's something even more intimate about leading your, leading your wife in prayer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, my, my wife actually said to me yesterday she was like you saved us. I was like what do you mean? She's like your conversion and you going back to mass, like you saved the whole family. And she didn't mean like I'm Jesus or something, she just meant like me taking on the role of priest in the home. Like saved our family, like it saved our marriage, it saved our children, everything. Like the, the purposeful way of living, sitting and talking with my children about God all the time. Like my daughters. I remember Like having conversations with my daughters just and telling them like your dad loves you way too much to ever let you be taken advantage of by a guy.
Speaker 3:Like there's no scenario where you're just going to go date some guy. Like it's not happening. Like if you ever meet a guy, he has to come here and I need to approve of this man. He's going to court you. This is going to be like this isn't just. I'm not going to do what past generations have done with their daughters. Like I'm going to be a very active participant Now if you with their daughters. Like I'm going to be a very active participant Now if you, if you meet a young man who isn't Catholic, like that's something we can remedy, like let me, let me speak with the young man and we'll like, because so many of these young men don't have fathers and their fathers aren't leading them to God, and it's like I think a lot of young men are starving for some kind of a male figure in their life, to be the priest in their lives, because they don't have them, and I think that's an important part for us as men, if we have daughters specifically I agree yeah oh, all right, we got any, we got any.
Speaker 3:Oh, let's see, let's hear, okay. So yeah, let's finally get to it. What do you have coming down? Because I spoke with nicholas cavazos and he told me he spent some time down with you in san antonio. He, like Anthony, he's got some crazy things coming down the pike. Now you said you couldn't get too specific, but it's locals. You can push the limit with us, Michael. You got some dirt, you can push it. Nobody ever repeat what you hear on the. What Happens on Locals stays on Locals.
Speaker 5:Until we put the clip on YouTube no, I won't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, um how much can you?
Speaker 2:so I'll start with the uh, the archbishop wester story. Uh, I have proof that archbishop wester reinstated a man who left the priesthood, moved to San Francisco, got same-sex married, was living in a thruple because the person that he married was also married to another man and they were all living under the same roof. That ended in a divorce in 2017. This priest, who actively and openly advocated for same-sex marriage on his facebook page, still has it there. Um continues to advocate for lgbtq ideologies and all that garbage.
Speaker 5:We finally got James Martin.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, was reinstated by Archbishop Wester. In that reinstatement, he was then made the pastor of a parish. He was also made the dean of a deanery. He was also elevated to the tribunal of the diocese, which means he's judging annulments. Yeah, and I'm trying to get proof of this. But I'm also told that he is living with this priest. The bishop is Mm-hmm.
Speaker 5:What diocese is this?
Speaker 3:santa fe, new mexico, archbishop, who happens to be the episcopal moderator of the auscp how do I like, how do I like I understand people that see that stuff and they're like yeah, I'm going orthodox, like I like you don't see that kind of a mess. Oh, yeah, going on anywhere, but in our, in our our orthodox have that yeah yeah, but it's not like this, no one cares, because it's the orthodox yeah, but it's not like this. Where it's like this, it's like they've gotten this well, they don't have the same authority and power.
Speaker 2:That, yeah, that all bishops do.
Speaker 3:I'm not trying to defend orthodoxy in any way. I'm just saying like I understand when people see this kind of stuff, like the scandal it causes, and people are just like ew, this is so disgusting and it's like when the hell is there any kind of consequence for any of this stuff? Death.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're right, you want any of this stuff. Death yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:You want to know something, though, rob, that's actually a good point, like there's something beautiful about being catholic and knowing that justice will be served in the end, no matter what they think they get away with right, right, one of the things that I, you know, mike lewis was defending, uh, pope francis there in the comments when we were on the youtube side of things and I got a little testy with lewis there in the conversation but he was saying things like yeah, but you know, pope francis never, you know, did anything that was contrary to this or contrary to that. Let me tell you something. Pope francis lauded a whole bunch of active communists. We're talking carl marx, hammer and sickle toting communists, not your typical, you know, pot smoking, college campus marxist. We're talking revolutionary communists. He had an organization called um, um, um, mst, which stands for uh, movemento, uh, something, trabantahoros.
Speaker 2:And MST is a communist party, an actual communist party. And they burn the crops, the crop fields of local farmers, they squat on local farmers' farms, damaging their property, and they act in revolution against the local government. And Pope Francis brought them into Rome, put them in a video for the Vatican and was celebrating them and saying how wonderful they are, along with several other actual communist groups. So when Mike Lewis is on there and he starts saying things about well, he never did anything against the church and he never said anything, look, he didn't change any doctrine. And I'm not saying he did, but the example that he gave was awful. It was awful and his governance was terrible what do you make of?
Speaker 3:um, what the hell is his name? Uh, father altman. How bombastic he is about the way he talks about stuff I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2:Nope, nope, nope, nope like today.
Speaker 3:He tweeted he's like I saw that only was burning in hell. It's like all right chill out man. Come on, yeah, like that should scare the crap out of anybody and you should just be like god. Please be merciful to me. I know that's that's like to, to like glee and somebody burning, and no, that's, that's arrogance.
Speaker 2:It's arrogance and and I have no stomach for that, just like I have no stomach for the things that that pope francis was doing.
Speaker 3:So I I do understand that, I do understand the, I understand the anger I understand sure and not even, not even that, like saying like I would never want to face his judgment, like I understand that, but like to, to be like he's burning and I don't know. I just I'm like god, please be merciful to francis, like honestly, because I know I don't, I, I want the most merciful judgment I could possibly face and I don't, I don't know, I don't, I don't wish that upon anybody, right? Yep, michael, this was fun, man. You went two and a half hours with us. I needed your own show today.
Speaker 3:How did the how'd it go at Cologne? I didn't watch that yet. Oh, great, it was a lot of fun. You'll have to watch it afterward. I'm gonna. I do. I always, I always watch your show. He's brilliant. So, yeah, he is. We have to figure out a schedule with him because he's he's, he's one of those uh catholic thinkers that never like got involved in the fray of of like the arguments about the pipe visit, but like he always just had such brilliant takes on monarchy and you know things like that. It's just we're gonna have to get him on. Oh, man, tell your wife, uh, we loved hearing about your uh meeting story tonight. Tell her thank you for uh giving us your time tonight, man. We always love having you on brother all right, it was.
Speaker 2:It was a pleasure I, and it was great meeting nick. That was a lot of fun too. He's taller than I thought he is.
Speaker 3:He's like six something right, yeah, yeah, yeah, he looks small when he's sitting in that chair because he's he's like down here yeah, yeah oh look, how little he is he was on.
Speaker 3:He was on with uh, dr kwajanewski. I started watching an episode they did and it was like I was very impressed by how he's able to hold his own in a group of like well-seasoned guys in the trad movement and he just he knows exactly what to like, when to slip in a comment and he holds his own with. And that's a hard thing, like when you're in your early 20s, like that you're like it's intimidating, like you're going out. You're going to sit down with dr question. He's 27 he is now, but it's still. It's impressive to see. Well, I know him as nick and he's he's like a little brother man, I don't know, but he is an impressive uh young guy to watch in that atmosphere.
Speaker 3:I was very proud of him yeah yeah, um, but let's see Anthony and Hitchwater shorties. I'm like five, nine. I think Rob's five, 10. How old are you? Five, eight, five, nine, michael.
Speaker 2:I'm five 11, five, 11.
Speaker 3:He's taller than me? Yeah, all right, I remember being eye level with you. I'm not particularly short. You're not like jason. No, jason's like five, five, not like luigi. Luigi's a midget. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3:Like, as we're getting older, right, like you start looking at guys like for me, all right, I'm 43 and it's like I start looking at guys that are like 10 years older than me and I'm like, oh, I'm like I better start taking care of myself because, like it could go, it could go one of two ways like you could look 70 at 55 or you could look 45 at 55. If you don't maintain it like it's, it's an important time for, like, once you hit 40, you start just like sizing people up and you're like, man, all these guys in their 30s, I'm having conversations with them and they see me as the older guy. Now where these guys in their 30s I'm having conversations with them and they see me as the older guy now where I'm like I feel like I'm still talking to somebody my own age, like I don't think anything of it, like we're having younger guys on and I feel like I'm speaking to like, uh, I feel like I'm talking to a, uh, a peer. But they're like yo unk, what up unk. I'm the old man. That's funny.
Speaker 3:I drank. This is my fifth beer. I'm not lit. I've never been drunk in my life, okay.
Speaker 5:I've never been drunk.
Speaker 3:Guys, five beers, I'm drunk, Come on.
Speaker 5:Stop it, Anthony. I saw photos of your finger facing the wrong direction one night.
Speaker 3:That wasn't my drunkenness. That was Nicole's cousin's drunkenness.
Speaker 5:You said it didn't hurt all that bad because of how intoxicated you were.
Speaker 3:I barely felt it, but I still was not drunk and I made sure the cops didn't arrest him because I was sober enough to keep them calm.
Speaker 2:He should have went to jail that night, but I'll tell you that story next time you're on, michael, don't worry I have some wild stories, man well, one of these days I'm gonna go on on vacation with your family michael, you would have the best freaking time.
Speaker 3:You have no idea my family is fun to hang with, but uh, yeah, we should actually. Oh, I hear it's considered a white martyrdom we'll get you back on soon, michael. I love talking with you, man.
Speaker 5:It's always fun bobby says he's seen you drunk more than he's seen you sober shut up, bobby.
Speaker 3:I've never been drunk. I'm buzzed like heavily buzzed, like heavy buzz, but never drunk. I've never lost my faculties. I've never been like slurring my words, or maybe like when I was young, but I, I, I, I, I handle my liquor very well. So, all right, michael, you too, I've seen you put a few down. I'm drunk with michael. Michael keeps this. You never know. You didn't even know he had a sip of liquor. He's like, yeah, somebody, someone goes.
Speaker 5:What about the do your stream man? You were two martinis away from blacking out. No, I was not.
Speaker 3:I was totally, totally on my game. I was just trying to be entertaining for everybody. Yes, I want to figure out a conference with us, though, michael, you bet let's figure that out. So whether we do it or somebody does it, we're gonna figure that out. So all we'll let Michael go. He's probably sitting in the same position for three and a half hours at this point, so we will see you guys on. We might do a Monday Wednesday schedule next week, cause next Thursday is my 20 year anniversary. I can't stream on Thursday, but we might do Monday Wednesday next week.
Speaker 2:Sound good.
Speaker 3:He's sound good. He's gonna have his next girlfriends on. It'll be fun. I'll try to. I'll try to have some fun stories for next week when we come on. All right, guys, thank you for joining us. Take us out, thank you.
