The Dark Side of Online Anonymity

Our digital personas often reveal more about us than we intend, especially when the veil of anonymity gets pulled back. In this provocative episode, we navigate the murky waters of online identity after a Catholic Twitter personality's troubling past came to light through digital detective work.

Where do we draw the ethical line between legitimate privacy concerns and accountability for our words and actions? As we examine this case study, we confront an uncomfortable truth: the mask of anonymity may hide our face from others, but not from God. "Being nameless doesn't make you bodiless," as one of our hosts pointedly observes. "It just makes your sins feel separate from you, but it's still you at the end of the day."

The conversation expands into broader theological territory as we dissect a controversial video of a deaf priest consecrating the Eucharist through sign language. This unprecedented situation raises profound questions about sacramental validity that traditional Catholic theology never had to address. We also take Apple TV to task for a shockingly blasphemous scene depicting characters treating consecrated hosts as snacks – highlighting the entertainment industry's troubling comfort with disrespecting Catholic traditions.

Later, we transition to relationships and marriage, offering a counterpoint to popular Catholic dating advice that often misses the mark. Our candid discussion covers the dynamics of authority in marriage, the importance of masculine leadership, and why maintaining attraction matters in long-term relationships. 

Whether you're navigating online Catholic spaces or seeking to build a faith-centered relationship, this episode offers both spiritual wisdom and practical guidance for living authentically in a digital age where appearances often overshadow substance.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Episode Introduction and Hosting Changes
• 11:17 Anonymous Catholic Account Exposed
• 26:28 Responsibilities of Online Anonymity
• 42:06 Deaf Priest Controversy and Valid Consecration
• 56:39 Apple TV's Blasphemous Church Scene
• 1:02:04 NT Wright's Problematic Theology
• 1:35:02 Dating Advice and Catholic Relationships
• 1:48:34 Marriage Dynamics and Maintaining Authority

Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:03

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Speaker 4: 2:39

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Speaker 5: 3:20

So you're, you're giving candy to young guys A little sus.

Speaker 4: 3:25

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Speaker 4: 4:03

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Speaker 4: 5:33

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Speaker 4: 6:23

This guy a trad Catholic. Now the Protestant parody Lizzie account was telling everybody he was a 14 year old girl and he was the daughter of a trad Catholic, and it ended up that one of the Protestants did a deep dive to go and find out who this guy was. Now here's the thing this guy watches our show. I'm sure he's watching right now, like I'm almost positive he's watching right now. Dude, this is a rough, a rough topic because I understand people's need. No, they are not the same account, by the way, so a lot of people are different people, totally different people, um, but it is. It is a rough subject because I understand why people want to be anonymous on the internet, and it's not just because you'll lose your job. It's like, yeah, you have like the temptation there to be a little more fiery and you don't have to worry so much. This stuff will get back to your regular life. It's also because people in your real life can't discover that you're there.

Speaker 5: 7:33

Yeah it's, it's like a, it's a double edged sword. So you have like it's. It's like both a mask and like a mirror of your actual self. It's it's you get rid of the consequences and your status and it's really like who you are is what you're posting at 2 am on your burner, like that's what you really think deep down, but you're afraid to say, um, and it it gives and it takes, because it gets rid of that aspect of shame. And as Catholics we kind of believe that shame is a good thing sometimes and shame restrains sin. But I have been an anonymous poster for like a super exactly for like a very long time and I still don't put my name out there. I'm not against anonymity at all, it's just it's a weird situation, for sure.

Speaker 4: 8:24

I understand it like I get it. Um. The thing is, when you do have your real name I'm not saying, put your first and last name and the state you live, like you don't have to dox yourself, but having your just your real picture up, you'd be surprised at how much more um thoughtful you will be when you interact with another human being, because it's very easy to forget you're talking to a human behind the other account, especially when they're all anime freaking things and like an inanimate object.

Speaker 4: 8:58

So but I've had, I've had parody accounts, right like I had the lofton parody account, rap and theology. Now I was very tempted to go and just be like talk like a total thugged out rapper under that that moniker. But I but there were people who who actually did think it was Lofton. So I never wanted him like, I never wanted to slander him in any way or make people think the real Lofton would say something like that. So I think I wrote a tweet one time saying like, as the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest Catholic rapper of all time, I think I should get to use the N-word, and by N-word I mean nuance, and then I would just start calling people my nuance. But I never said rapper of all time. I think I should get to use the n word, and by n word I mean nuance, and then I would just start calling people my nuance, but I never said the real n word I did use the real n word under my real account.

Speaker 5: 9:49

You did I remember that iconic? Yeah, I think yeah, no, it's, it's crazy but that.

Speaker 4: 9:56

But that's kind of the point, right, like so there's a, there's a, there's a delicate art to parody and um, but a tri-catholic wasn't a parody account. Pope lizzie was a parody account, right yeah, and there were times where that account would even say some pretty horrific things to the real lizzie, because lizzie is atrocious. She's an atrocious human being.

Speaker 5: 10:19

She should be blocked by everybody. She's not worth engaging with. She's intellectually dishonest. Don't waste your time. But at the same time, some of the things they said I would not feel comfortable saying to someone. You would have to go to confession for that kind of stuff. I'm just probably.

Speaker 4: 10:37

And now I know who's behind that Pope Lizzie account and I've talked to him a little bit, so it's like now, okay. So now the person in question, a trad Catholic. There was this thread that was made. We're going to bring it up now. Let's bring this up. So, okay, we have to go back to the beginning of the thread. Okay, who is a trad Catholic exposing the lies out of love and hope for change? For some people like myself, x is a place of rigorous theological debate nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. So, uh, who is a trad Catholic? He would like you to believe. He's a wise elder who has spent many years in church. In one post it claims to be 73 years old and he says uh, in others he said new converse to catholicism should wait 16 years before speaking. None of this is bad, by the way. Yeah, like this is just. It's definitely sarcastic sarcasm.

Speaker 5: 11:36

The protestants are like, oh, it's serious, because you know they read solo scriptura. And they're like, oh, everything is literal, it's just it's just goofing around on the internet.

Speaker 4: 11:43

yeah, you're not putting your real profile out there, it's? You know? Um, as any man knows, on the internet it is beneficial to present yourself as tough and able to fight, and what can accomplish that for them? Jujitsu. So he winds up going through this whole thing and I'm not going to read every one of these, but he goes through digs. He finds who the guy is through like, who the account was originally registered to through that email, and that email was connected to an Instagram account and that Instagram account had a picture on it and he went from where that picture was back to a Facebook picture, a Facebook page, and he winds up finding out who the guy is. And it turns out the guy has a very colorful incident in his past. So now he had a 34 year old uh from polk, florida was arrested and charged with aggravated child abuse. Now, when I first read that, I wasn't sure what that meant yeah, and aggravated child.

Speaker 5: 12:38

that's a kind of a weird charge, my first question. What was that? Florida man, by the way, of course.

Speaker 4: 12:47

Yeah, I look there's, clearly there's, clearly there's. He's dealing with a divorce. He has an ex-wife now, right, so further update to this post he's out on bond for 100k. He's lost his rights uh, parental rights, the ability to be around any person under 18 and his ex-wife was awarded a restraining order against him. So this happened to him.

Speaker 4: 13:11

Now, the first thing I want to say is this is not sexual in nature in any way. Okay, like that, that has to be that. That's a very important point. Um, and not to say not to like. I think any man that hits a child is a piece of garbage, like I'm not. And people are saying, okay, like he broke the ribs of a three-year-old. Yeah, that's disgusting, it's very bad. Like disgusting, horrible. Now, I don't know when this incident happened. I want to try to be fair here. Right, like it's like, because, for all that Protestants taught, like for them, especially to to go at him like this, the, the, the, you know, did you give your life to Jesus and then all your past, like, like. These are the same people that support Nala giving a conference.

Speaker 5: 14:01

Yeah, I mean that's ridiculous. It's you know in a sense. Obviously what he did is absolutely terrible. But also what they did to dox him also not okay. Like it's good that we know that you know. This guy you know did that to a child. Like it's great that we know. But the ends don't justify the means. Doxing is never okay. It doesn't matter who you're doing it to.

Speaker 4: 14:25

Especially because what he was doing publicly was not that bad. He was just trolling prots.

Speaker 1: 14:34

He wasn't.

Speaker 4: 14:36

You know what I mean. So here's my point Look, I think this guy's got a lot that he has to deal with. I think he's got a man. He's got a lot to deal with. He's got.

Speaker 4: 14:48

But but if, maybe if he did have a conversion and he's seeking catholicism now like I don't know, I don't know what, I don't know what the line is that I do know, um, I do know that I know other people who have had incidents in their past. I mean, it wasn't like this. You know what it is, it's a three-year-old. I don't know how any man can do that. No, but I do know other people who have had bad incidents in their past and they've made amends and they've fixed their life up. I want to give leeway for a person to make right.

Speaker 4: 15:28

I think the biggest problem with this was he uh lied and lied and lied about it when he was confronted on it, and there was also some some stuff behind the scenes. In dms I heard that he was like trying to get girls to share their profile pic and stuff. So I don't, I don't know all the details, but the the main conversation we really want to talk about is just what we're doing with anonymity, like there's a there's a point to it. It's that that serves a good purpose for a lot of people. I understand people have jobs where they can't you know, have certain conversations and have to get back there.

Speaker 4: 15:52

You want to be able to be Catholic. Maybe you have family members that aren't Catholic and you might have opinions about non-Catholics that would alienate you from your family. I understand that, but I do think there's a a bit of responsibility that comes with putting your face and at least your first name up there. Now you're you're anonymous. Would you be ashamed of anything that got found out on your account if you, if somebody did actually find out who you were?

Speaker 5: 16:20

I think if people just dox me, they just find out how awesome I am, like I'm not really like worried, to be honest. Like, like, like there may be some things could come and like kind of bite me in the butt, uh, with my job, but like it probably won't be that bad. Um, I haven't.

Speaker 5: 16:36

I've been a little bit cognizant of what I've been posting. I think the the main message is you know, and this is how I always approach my account is like I could get docked someday. So I need to think when I post not post the most insane stuff, you can save that for dms with friends that you trust. But even then, like you, people you meet online, you might not be able to trust um. But and anonymity, I can't say that word doesn't absolve you of responsibility, you know, and he, he didn't just end up wrong, he got exposed and that's because that kind of made him feel like he's. Um has an illusion that his words are free from weight and you know, being nameless doesn't make make you bodiless, it just makes your sins feel like they are separate from you, but it's still you at the end of the day, god still knows, it's you.

Speaker 4: 17:38

That's a really good point, right, like you, you think, because it's man. This is. This is a really tricky thing we're dealing with with our online persona and our real persona because you, you, you may think that person that is representing you on the internet is not you, but it is, in a way, like it really is, and I'm not. You know, I'm pretty outlandish, yeah, online, but I'm I'm kind of that way in real life too, like I'm not much different in real life.

Speaker 5: 18:13

So, um, yeah, that's that separation, man, it's um, I, I think there's a benefit to you know, having that mask. Like I can say things here that I wouldn't necessarily say at work. Um, and I have a little bit more, you know, freedom to be honest with who I am, what I actually think, but I'm not able to say to people around me, um, but I think people also need to balance that with you. You know, would I say this to that person's face if they were right next to me? Or would I say that? Would you say that to God? Like God is still judging you based on what you post online, whether you're anonymous or not. That's just the truth. And like I'm still in favor of being I mean, I'm pretty much anonymous. I'm still in favor of that, but you just got to keep that in mind.

Speaker 4: 19:01

Yeah, I think people have to have to have the expectation that they could get doxxed one day, right? So, yeah, no, I I agree. I think anonymity online is reasonable. I understand why people do it Like I'm not, like I'm not doing the Jordan Peterson thing, where it's all you're all psychopaths. I don't think, like I think there's justifiable reasons to want to not put your name and face up there. It's like this creeps on the internet. You know what I mean. Like with your face and your first name alone, people could find out where you're, where you live and things like that. So, um, and yes, molly, I know you tone it down, because I actually have watched your, I've watched you in the like a few.

Speaker 4: 19:36

I think a lot of us changed how we handled social media. I mean we. This even gets into when we discussed, um, what people were doing to. Um, what's her name, what's the? Uh, your favorite chick? What's her name? Oh, religious hippie, religious hippie. It's like I I'm not a fan of hers at all, I think what she does is ridiculous, but I think there was a line there where people were like going after her husband and like, and it's like yo, we're Catholic, you cannot, you don't want to be the guy. That is like trying to break up a sacramental marriage, like that's insane. You will have to give an account for that one day.

Speaker 4: 20:16

No, yeah, no, you can definitely take it too far, I think some of the, some of the public figures deserve you know, especially her deserve criticism for what they do. But you have to remember, you know you have to make your criticism oh, dolan's here. You have to make your criticism righteous, you know you can't, you can't just be trying to break up a marriage just for the sake of it. Yeah, it's a man. I've seen. I've seen some pretty pretty crazy things and, like I said, I've had, like right now I have Trentonius horn. That's my old, you know what I mean it's like. But, like I said, like I'm, I'm not ever going to post something there that's going to slander Trent or make somebody think it's really Trent posting it. I'm not going to. You know, I actually think it's kind of interesting that there's a brief souls, that alt parody. There's like there's a lot of altar.

Speaker 5: 21:10

There's no alt of me, I think there's one alt of me, but I think it might be, rob, I feel like you're incapable of parody just because that's just who you are. You're just a New York Italian.

Speaker 4: 21:22

Like it's kind of parody. Yeah, I would just say my advice to people who do have anonymous accounts. I would just say always, like, have the expectation that you could be doxed one day and if doxed, like, oh, that's the other thing. Like I keep getting added to these group chats and I keep leaving them because I don't know every like there's 160 people in that group chat and people are throwing some like wild things in them.

Speaker 4: 21:49

yeah, yeah they get crazy well, it goes into what I said about like like I said the n word on twitter, but I said it like for a purpose, like it was. It was right around the time with that um shiloh, what was her name? Uh, that shiloh chick? Uh, she was. She said the n word to the, to the kid, oh yeah. And like there was that big friend, she raised six hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 4: 22:16

And I was basically just saying most, most white people have used that word at some point in their life, like whether you're singing along to a rap song, or like it's like to pretend that word has never left your mouth, even reading a book that might've had it when you were in school. You know, there you go. So to act like that word is, like this powerful word that can't be said. It's like you know, I think. I think people do say but but I think there's something different about saying it behind anonymity and saying it as you you know. So I was saying it to kind of make a like a political point, like I was, like I am going to put this word out there as a public figure and not not worry about the consequences. First off, I don't know what the consequence like because a few people like dude. I can't believe. You said I was like what? What could the consequences be?

Speaker 4: 23:10

yeah I don't know. Like I work for family, work for family that uses that word, an italian home like what's going to happen. You know, yeah, yeah, I've never said it out loud, you've all said it in your head in traffic at one point though, and God still knows, and God still knows, and I do think context matters. That's the whole point, right? It's like I think, if you're saying it to someone for horrific reasons, yes, like that could very much be a mortal sin Shiloh Hendricks was the name but if you're, if you're just like, like I said, like I grew up like a wigger on Long Island, like me and my friends called each other that like that was like like yo, what up, you know, and we just said it.

Speaker 4: 23:57

So, all right, so we're going to move on from this topic. I would just say, all of you that are anonymous, I think you guys just be cautious because, like majorian said, like god still sees what we're saying there. So if it's not something you'd be comfortable saying as your real self, something to think about, for sure, did you see the, uh, the deaf priest?

Speaker 5: 24:21

video. I did see that was. That's kind of an interesting question, Okay. Okay, all right.

Speaker 4: 25:04

So Okay, so I want to know. So I reached out to a couple of priests about this to ask them, like is this a valid consecration? Ask them like is this a valid consecration? And, um, I'm gonna hang on, let me just see. Where is it? It is in the noah's order, probably, so, uh, the words the concelebrant says in portuguese are valid. Obviously, the words the celebrant says are not, and I say this having a totally deaf niece. So the question becomes can a con-celebrant affect the sacrifice when the celebrant fails? It's a brand new theological problem that never existed before the Novus Ordo. So I don't know was the answer I got.

Speaker 5: 25:55

I love Brazil for giving us all theological problems. It seems like everything good comes from Brazil these days days.

Speaker 4: 26:02

I just I just think, if you have a con celebrant there who's and it's not being deaf, that's the issue, it's being mute, right, and and the priest is, I guess, I guess he could say this is my body which is gonna for you, and then hold the host up, which looks like he did. But I don't see how you could sign that and at the simultaneously consecrate, like I, I, I don't know, like I don't understand, like the intentional, the intentional cause of scandal by not have, like you could have just had the guy that con celebrated actually celebrate. You could have had the deaf priest Khan celebrate and it would have been a totally fine situation.

Speaker 5: 26:46

Yeah, I just have so many questions. I question, you know, I have a cousin who's deaf. I just question having a deaf priest in general, that just prudentially doesn't seem wise to me. But if they're assisting in mass, that seems fine, prudentially doesn't seem wise to me. Um, but like, if they're assisting in mass that seems fine, but like you don't have to, you know, have them consecrate.

Speaker 4: 27:05

If that's going to be some kind of theological question, I mean, this is something that we just need some someone higher up to, just so it's good or not, because I really don't know father schneider, right, father matthew schneider, I think his name is um, let me, uh, let me find his thing real quick.

Speaker 5: 27:26

Yeah, exactly how does he hear confessions?

Speaker 4: 27:29

that's like like do they sign it to him like well, if he's, if he's serving a deaf parish, um, I guess that's that's how it would have to go right, like if you're serving at a deaf parish. Um, let me see, why can't I find this okay here? It is okay. So, uh, father, uh, matthew schneider said can people stop claiming this is invalid? All available evidence points towards the priest signing mass to be valid, such as a 1966 decree ordaining deaf priests since 1977, etc. And then he posts an EWTN article and in the EWTN article I bring it up, I read it and it says however, it does not answer our reader's precise question regarding validity and although there have been some good theological reflections on this topic and some serious canonical studies, I have been unable to find a definitive official declaration. That would close the debate.

Speaker 5: 28:28

Well, in the article father schneider posted. It's all like that, just peak twitter apologetics. They they post an article and they don't read it.

Speaker 4: 28:36

They just read the headline he just read the, did not read the text, and, look, you actually can't do that, right, you can't do a FaceTime confession. There's something very important about sacramentality being in person, face-to-face, or behind a screen, but the priest has to be present as he absolves you of your sin, and it can't go through a text or something like that. It's now I I do remember seeing, like um, I think it was uh, the movie on father maliki, uh, what's his name? Uh, father maliki of of hawaii or something. Um, he he was, he had to give a confession and and he had um leprosy. And he comes out on a boat and there's a.

Speaker 4: 29:37

There's a bishop out on the ship and there's like 50 people around and he's like I, like the priest doesn't want to come in contact with him because he has leprosy. So he goes just say your sins in a different light, like he spoke french or something. And he goes just say your sins in french and he just blurts his sins out in french. Now, the bishop didn't actually understand french, but he was able to absolve him. Still, like it. It's. There's almost something about the priest not actually having to hear your sins, it's more just you verbalizing them and receiving confession. I don't know how valid that is either, though.

Speaker 5: 30:07

I mean you sure he wasn't saying Hawaiian pigeon Saint Damien of.

Speaker 4: 30:11

Molokai. That's what it was. It's not Father Malachi, it's Saint Damien of Molokai. I'm sorry, guys.

Speaker 5: 30:17

Yeah, only pigeon confessions would be valid in that circumstance.

Speaker 4: 30:21

Great that the priest gave him absolution in pigeon.

Speaker 5: 30:24

I think Lefebvre talks about that. Yeah, yeah, I really I don't know. It's kind of a strange theological question because you kind of think about like, is it more so about the intention behind the priest, or is it the words being spoken Like or actually speaking the words? And is it speaking or are symbols? Okay, like, sign language is almost different from any other language because it's not coming from your, your larynx is coming from your hands, so it feels like it's different in kind, but like, I don't know, I'm not a theologian.

Speaker 4: 31:00

I would think the priest saying it verbally is very important, like, like I said, he could be deaf but he can't be mute, like the verbalizing of the consecration has to be, has to be extremely important.

Speaker 5: 31:17

It's. It's like a. It's like a, an alphabet, almost sign language is like an alphabet, more so than it is like a language, Because I mean the words, the symbols represent words, but it's like text, almost more so than you actually speaking it. That's what it feels like to me. I don't know the philosophical metaphysics of language, but that's just what it seems like to me.

Speaker 4: 31:37

So, assuming a valid right, the celebrant must be able to hear himself pronounce the words. Temporary difficulty to hear, because of a passing train, for instance, would not cause invalidity. That's true too. How do you? Yeah, I have no idea yeah, how would you know if the person has, yeah, true contrition. Yeah, yeah, true contrition, and a firm purpose of amendment? Yeah, man, that's a tricky one. Um, cyclical, you need something from pope le. I don't know.

Speaker 5: 32:16

Sleeping and deaf people. That would be good.

Speaker 4: 32:21

Actually, to me it's just another one of those problems caused by the Novus Ordo that doesn't exist outside of it and it's like I don't understand. Like if you have a con celebrant there who's perfectly able to speak the words of consecration, why would you even take the chance? Like we had that whole incident happen? I think it was I forgot what diocese it was but the priest he had said we baptize you in the name of the Father, son and Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, and it invalidated thousands and thousands of baptisms. There was a priest who saw his baptismal video and he brought it to his bishop and he goes look, I was baptized incorrectly. It invalidated his priesthood. They had to put an announcement out to the entire diocese saying if you have ever gone to confession through this priest, if you were married by this priest, your marriage is invalid. Like can you imagine? Like that's crazy. Like you think about the fiasco that that was caused after them playing around with the liturgy?

Speaker 5: 33:29

it's just insane why even risk it? What's the point? I like it, like it's. It's ridiculous. I, I don't. I it's. This can be mean it. It seems like it's almost like a dei priest and that sounds really bad. But like I, it's okay, so, okay.

Speaker 4: 33:51

So I said crazy, why didn't I'm gonna read you with? Because it's kind of funny you're saying that. So this is me and the priest. I won't say who, crazy, why didn't the deaf priest do the con celebration Is that is what I asked him. He said um. He says I've offered the Nova Sordo in Portuguese, so I know the words he said are correct. Um, and he said the reason the con celebrate con celebrant didn't say the mass is because it's a stunt for inclusivity.

Speaker 5: 34:17

That's what it seems like. Yeah, and you know, not everybody's called to be a priest.

Speaker 4: 34:24

I just don't get it and he also said. He said Brazilians don't really care because they don't know, except the trads down there, and there's some really good trads down there. But I bet he's not even a deaf priest, I bet he just learned sign language. Actually, I learn sign language Actually.

Speaker 1: 34:38

I'll tell you why it's not.

Speaker 4: 34:39

He said. I'll tell you why it's not valid. The con celebrant did not touch the bread. The only way it could be valid is by the con celebrant, but it's not, since he didn't take the bread in his hands. Like the missile, both old and new command, which is what I would think. I would think both missiles like they, would have to be like extraordinary circumstances for for permission to be given this.

Speaker 5: 35:04

Yeah, I don't see how they could, but I mean, I'm not a theologian, so maybe.

Speaker 4: 35:14

OK, well, those with disabilities are loved by God and can be faithful Catholics. The priesthood is not owed to anyone. Yeah, exactly yeah. There are other things he could do. He could even be a priest, but just not celebrate mass publicly. Maybe I don't, I don't know, but I just I. It seems, like you said, like a DEI stunt, instead of worrying more about God, they're worried about how they look to the world.

Speaker 5: 35:42

Yeah, and like, what's the point? Like it, how many, how many? How many political points are you scoring for having a deaf priest say the mass, Unless it's like a deaf community and I, I can, I can get it, I guess, but um, all right.

Speaker 4: 35:56

So we've got two more things we're going to cover on the on the youtube side and then we'll go over to local. So one we have apple tv releases a disgraceful scene in your friends and neighbors where a couple breaks into a catholic church and snacks on a consecrated host. This is one of the most offensive things I have ever seen. Like it was difficult to sit through.

Speaker 5: 36:19

If you have apple tv, you should cancel it right now.

Speaker 4: 36:21

Yeah, absolutely like this is worse than anything netflix has even done. It's like the most blasphemous thing I I can't think of ever being this offended at seeing something. So it's disgusting. Alright, let me see. Let me pause it first so I don't jump right into it. Alright, let's go here. You just give it a.

Speaker 1: 36:54

And I begin to lock into Jesus' house.

Speaker 4: 37:01

So they're breaking into a church. It's always a Catholic church, right they?

Speaker 5: 37:09

never break into some Episcopal church.

Speaker 4: 37:11

It's always the Catholics. I'm going to go. I have to run here, stay here. I'm going to continuously pause this because it is going to be a copyright issue if I don't, so I'm just going to put a pause in. I mean, st Anthony Padua is saying stop, but I mean this is a Novus Ordo parish. You don't even think it's real what goes on there every time. Saint anthony of padua, yeah, they're saying don't actually show it I, I get not actually showing it.

Speaker 5: 37:46

Yeah, um, yeah, um. I will say the the male actor in that scene was born and raised catholic yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna show it all right.

Speaker 4: 37:58

It it was um. They break into a church and then they go and they treat the host like it's a cracker, they dip it in jelly and it's like a host. Yeah, they work out he took him out of the he took them out of yeah, out of the tabernacle. So like it's just. It's just mind-boggling to me how jewish writers, jewish um jewish uh directors, like they have no issue with just desecrating catholicism like this yeah and they don't do it anybody else, nobody else, like nobody else, it's just and we'll just sit and take it like they will keep.

Speaker 5: 38:51

Oh god, they'll keep doing that as long as we keep sitting taking it like you. You can't let them get away with this kind of stuff.

Speaker 4: 39:00

Um I don't know what the proper, proper response is like. Okay, so there I remember, during um, uh, everything everywhere all at once, there was kind of a scene that had it looked something like the, but it was nothing like this, it wasn't in a catholic church. It just kind of like hinted at, like the way she took the piece of bread could have been and like I remember life's like going crazy over, like this is blasphemy and there's not nothing like what we were just about to watch, which I'm glad I turned off. But um, it's just.

Speaker 5: 39:36

It actually just proves catholicism, to be honest with you no, it does, because they don't attack, you know, the eastern orthodox ever. They don't attack protestants ever because they, they just know they're not the main character, they're irrelevant at the end of the day. And, um, you know, they only attack truth because they hate truth. That's really what it is at the end of the day.

Speaker 4: 39:58

There did you ever see the debate on gavin mckinnis's channel? Where he was, he was on the same side as a jewish guy. They were debating zionism or something. Oh, I have seen that. Yeah, dude, it's such a good clip because gavin was defending israel in this debate and there was a guy who asks the Jewish guy he goes. He goes. I think his name was Adam King was the Jewish guy. He goes okay, like they were talking about Islam and what Islam is doing. They were talking about Gaza and all the craziness in the middle East. And the guy goes Adam, let me ask you this If you could get rid of any religion in the world, or if you could get rid of any religion in the world, or if you could get rid of islam or catholicism, what would you get rid of? He goes oh, catholicism. Without a doubt, of course, without hesitation, always.

Speaker 5: 40:49

It's always. We're always on their mind at the end of the day without hesitation, did you?

Speaker 4: 40:57

I mean, you see the dave portnoy clip, right, you saw that. Oh yeah, yeah, that was crazy freaking out absolutely spurging out. It was ridiculous because a guy said that you should be able to make jewish jokes and he lost his mind. He's a people who make jewish jokes should be imprisoned, something like that he makes jokes about everybody.

Speaker 5: 41:16

I mean, like he. He is a man child. That is the definition of a man child. If, if there was one man on this planet I wouldn't want my kid to be like, it would be dave portnoy. Any vice, any vice that, uh, you know, is available in the world dave portnoy enjoys.

Speaker 4: 41:38

I mean, he is just a disgusting degenerate gambler um he he uh exploits women regularly.

Speaker 5: 41:47

He's just a complete degenerate but I mean, it's just the worst.

Speaker 4: 41:51

Yeah, that kind of is their religion, you know. So, like, the reason they hate catholicism is because catholicism has put a moral structure into the world and we claim not just claim like we received the covenant from God and they got cut out. So it's like, yes, they're quite a bit upset about that. All right. So the other thing we could do is I have these crazy clips of NT right which are really interesting, because NT Wright is a Protestant scholar who wasI, I know, like guys like Scott Hahn and them would go to NT Wright conferences and they would talk about how NT Wright was this brilliant Protestant scholar, brilliant protestant scholar, and he's got this thing called the new perspective on paul, where I mean, he nc right, really did get into how paul, when he was talking about works, he was not talking about works, he was talking about works of the law and not works of charity and things like that. So like he was introducing that to the protestant conversation. And there was a really interesting moment where he was talking to James White.

Speaker 4: 43:03

And he's explaining to James White how, when Paul is talking about what he's telling James White, he's like no, no, no, you are thinking in a Protestant Reformation mindset, so in your mind you think Paul is actually condemning Catholicism, but what he's really talking about is works of the law and this. And he goes, talks about the dead sea scrolls and things like that. And James White goes you are just completely going off the rails and this is not anything that any of the Protestant reformers would ever have said. And NT Wright goes it's funny to me that you are appealing to authority and tradition right now. It was one of those moments where I was just like holy cow, that is so good. Like James White appealed to authority and tradition, but his authority and tradition only went back to the Reformation itself. But he's Protestia has done nt right week this week.

Speaker 4: 44:03

Oh boy, yeah. He keeps pulling all these wacky things that nt right has said. And, uh, this one's nuts, he's talking about a trans person. So let me bring this one up. This one's this one's kind of wild and I'm interested to see what would feel very weird to me.

Speaker 6: 44:25

I'm about as male as you can get.

Speaker 4: 44:26

I love hockey okay, so this is a person who transitioned a very long time.

Speaker 1: 44:32

Oh, let me bring back to the beginning to make sense living as you are right now doesn't mean you're living in sin.

Speaker 6: 44:40

I am a transgender man female transition to male and a lover of Christ. I came out when I was very young and transitioned early on in my life. All that to say, I am fully transitioned. There's not much left that distinguishes me from your average born male. I came to Christ after having gone through all the hormone surgery and living as a man for 10 years.

Speaker 6: 45:04

Often when I hear people who were transgender then became a Christian, it's a story of them detransitioning to be their natural born gender. It seems these people are almost always at the beginning steps of their transition and can easily, so to speak, revert back. So my question is what would the Bible have to say about someone? In my case, I feel that if I was following God when I was younger, I probably would have tried my best to suppress the feelings that I was born in the wrong body and seek counseling. I have no desire to detransition. In fact, it would feel very weird to me.

Speaker 6: 45:29

I'm about as male as you can get. I love hockey trucks, I lift weights and I'm going to serve in the military. Those things don't necessarily make you a man, but I hope it helps you paint a picture. I feel like, from this point. All I can do is serve God, as the person I am now, with all my heart, soul and mind. However, I can't always wonder in the back of my mind if I am sinning every day by continuing to live my life the way I am. I also often wonder if I am allowed to get married. I dream of finding a wife and starting a family rooted in faith, but I fear that I would be sinning for that if I married a woman. Would that be seen as a same-sex relationship, since I am biologically female? Any advice and comments would be lovely.

Speaker 4: 46:04

Thanks, ps before we get into his response. Obviously the marriage and family stuff is completely out of the question. No, but a person here's. Here's the issue that this person's not like to continue as a male. You need to continue testosterone therapy. Yep, yeah, like, if you cease testosterone therapy, you will revert to your you have no natural.

Speaker 5: 46:38

I mean, if you're a woman you have no natural. You have a little bit of natural testosterone production, but as a just as a normal woman. But the amount they have to take, the exogenous testosterone they, they will not continue to be a woman. They will lose that. They'll lose their facial hair, they'll start, they won't like estrogen will just start getting produced and they'll just revert to their feminine qualities usually usually it it does end up harming your estrogen production also.

Speaker 4: 47:05

So you just kind of end up in this weird androgenic third category, but you just become dysgenic at the end of the day dysgenic yeah, that's a good word for it like androgynous, where it's like the thing is like I know I hate using the phrase, but like gender has always been on a spectrum in its presentation, Right. There's always been like which chicks, like we call them, Tom boys has always been like the effeminate boys and the the butch chicks, but like it didn't make the person the opposite sex Now.

Speaker 4: 47:39

So now this person if they I mean it's. It's similar to when I see I'm gonna bring this back to nala again because, like for somebody to have a genuine conversion, like you would think certain things would happen if they really do have an encounter with christ. And like if the the thing with nala is her, her proclivity towards a certain vice was always attention right. So like she, she got that attention through taking her clothes off and stuff. But what she just changed that to still be provocative. She keeps her clothes on but she's still seeking you. So, like the main sin she was struggling with she's not doing anything to try and fix.

Speaker 5: 48:26

It's all about attention for her. It's like like, even like you, I mean that that video where she makes the cinnamon buns, like that, is literally that soft core pornography.

Speaker 5: 48:36

Yes, soft core porn for sure You'll notice, like I remember she took a picture when she did that interview with Michael Knowles and in that picture she's posing, so her rear end is sticking out, Like everything she does, the way her makeup is done, the faces she makes, like the expressions. It's all catered towards attention and if someone's truly repentant, sometimes it doesn't all come, you know, right away, but we would be seeing signs of her, you know, becoming more humble, Cause it's got. I would be working on that. Just exclusive to NAL NAL. I mean, there's people all over.

Speaker 4: 49:15

No, but I want to give credit where credit's, because brie soul's dad got off twitter yeah, I respect, it's almost a month off and I I have incredible respect for her for that because I would.

Speaker 4: 49:26

I would have had some similar criticisms for her with the attention. See, now, it wasn't the same as nala. Nala was a different thing, but I I have a lot of respect for brie for getting off, because it shows a deepening conversion, right. So like, yeah, like when you first convert, it's like, oh, I gave up my old life and I'm just not going to do that thing anymore. But like, the deeper you go into prayer, the more you see your sin and you're like, okay, I got to cut this out, I got to cut this out, I got to work on this, I got to work. So, like it's due, yeah, um, but to get back to to this person, so well, that's kind of interesting because let's see where nt wright goes with. This is because he kind of says the same thing, but then he goes off the rails a little bit.

Speaker 5: 50:43

Oh, oh, my gosh, I'm sitting here watching it, thinking it's it's fine, I was just mewing into the camera, so we're good all right, so I uh everybody's like dead air average episode with me on it.

Speaker 4: 51:00

Yeah, this is what happens when Rob's not here, because I'm hearing it in my ear.

Speaker 1: 51:03

Having the way that we've had it presented now somebody born female, transitioning to become male. I don't understand. I'm not a scientist. I don't understand the biology of how that works. I don't know what exactly it is that the hormone therapy does, though I'm assured by people who do know about that that the hormone therapy has to be continued, otherwise the body may revert to what its chromosomes are telling it it is. I don't know how true that is, how much that is so.

Speaker 1: 51:31

So all sorts of questions, then, about marriage. I do not know what would happen in such a marriage or how that would work. Again, the local pastoral advice would be absolutely vital. I think, though, with many situations and I have counseled people in all sorts of situations where their life has become very muddled and confused, and different relationships and different things that they never meant to get into, but here they are now.

Speaker 1: 51:56

And again and again, I want to say, as with Jesus in the Gospels, god meets us where we are and loves us as we are. That's absolutely vital. God doesn't say well, I can't have anything to do with you because of X, y and Z that's happened in the background. Or God doesn't say, well, of course, I'll look after you, but you're going to have to do A, b and C from now on. That's not how grace works. Grace enfolds us in the love of God. Then, when we are enfolded and know that God is with us, then God may want to say to us, perhaps through a wise pastor, through our own voice of conscience, or in prayer or whatever now there are certain ways forward that you now need to travel, and that's not to say, oh, you're wicked, oh, you're a sinner, um, you shouldn't be doing this, that or the other all right.

Speaker 4: 52:44

Do you have any issues with what he said so far? Because this is actually a good point. Like this is such boomer talk.

Speaker 5: 52:50

It's, yeah, I mean it's typical protestant talk and it it's, it's not.

Speaker 4: 52:56

It does sound like there's it does sound like it's boomer talk dude, Bishop. It's boomer talk dude. I'm going to dance around this topic so delicately that I'm not going to.

Speaker 5: 53:05

You have to be so nice, so nice to everybody. Voice of reason.

Speaker 1: 53:15

It's to say well, where we are now is quite complicated and let's see how we can move forward step by step, knowing that the God of grace and love is with you. And the fact that we say the God of grace and love is with you doesn't mean, therefore, everything that anyone might do before this moment of crisis is all right and perfectly okay. This is not an anything-goes question. But then, whenever we talk about grace, you always meet that If it's by grace, does that mean it doesn't matter what I do? Yes, it does matter. God wants you to be a genuine, fully flourishing human being. No doubt all of us as Mike said in his intro, all of us have muddled bits in our psyche, perhaps muddled bits in our bodies. And again, god doesn't say I can't do anything with you because you're in such a muddle or a mess. God says let me come and work within that, let my spirit breathe new life into the person that you now are and go on breathing that new life and direct you in the way.

Speaker 4: 54:12

Can anybody just say, no, you got to stop taking the stupid hormone. Yeah, that's all you got to gotta say you just stop taking the hormone drugs, like no god's gonna meet you where you are he's, he doesn't expect anything of you.

Speaker 5: 54:25

You don't have to do anything. He's english, he's gotta be nice. No, it's. It's. Transgenderism is the physical manifestation of pride. So like it. At the end of the day, their identity is their God, even if they say they are Christian or whatever. If you're truly a child of God, god is the center of your life, not your identity, and you will conform your identity to the worship of God to the worship of god.

Speaker 4: 55:05

Well, that kind of goes to even when francis was um, allowing the divorce and remarried, under certain circumstances, to go and receive communion. And it's like if somebody is divorced and remarried and finds themselves in a situation where they can't get an annulment but they had children already Like are you? Are you first of the people that are looking for that loophole Don't even care if they get it, they're just going to go up and receive. And the people who are genuinely looking to follow what God wants are going to want to. They'll abstain from the Eucharist for that or they will live as brother and sister and cut that out of that, like they'll cut the sexual relationship out. Like there's no like giving people a loophole like that.

Speaker 4: 55:45

I don't understand the point of it. Like you're it's. It's like no, no priest has ever denied communion to somebody in that situation. Anyway, they're all this guy. Like they're all this guy. They're all afraid to actually tell somebody the truth. So I don't understand the point of that. It's a similar thing, all right. So the last clip we'll play. He is, and I'll add it to the screen this time. This is him talking about Genesis and the earth. It's so crazy. All of these guys have the same theology. It's like Genesis is just poetry.

Speaker 6: 56:20

How am I supposed to read Genesis if it's not a scientific description of how the world came to be? What is it? I am?

Speaker 1: 56:25

reading. Well, there are several layers and we loosely refer to it as poetry, and of course it isn't poetry in the sense that it isn't composed in the same way as, say, the Psalms are. It doesn't have that kind of verse structure, but it's poetic in the sense that, as only poetry can, it's saying three or four or five things at the same time. And my friend and colleague Actually most British Christians and I think most Christians around the world don't get hung up on the six periods of 24 hours in the way that some Americans still feel they have to.

Speaker 1: 56:53

And it's a shame it's because that major event happened in American culture the Scopes trial Was it 1929? Something like that Somewhere around there, which you know nobody else could have had. That. That was a post-Civil War, northern liberals versus Southern conservatives flexing their theological muscles and everyone wanted to know what was going to happen about this, because it was sort of are we going to be in the modern world or the ancient world? With all sorts of overtones. That was a very america specific thing and I never tire of saying this because these questions regularly come from america and people often don't realize how peculiar that context is.

Speaker 6: 57:29

That needs demons to find the cultural context in the beginning. You also believe in millions of years of evolution. What we see in the fossil record is millions of years of I don't know.

Speaker 4: 57:39

I'm just so sick of that whole era. I'm just so tired of that whole generation. I cannot wait for it to be over and done with. I don't know, I don't wish death upon anybody or anything, but it's like just go silently into that night, guys, and just just let us do our thing there's.

Speaker 5: 57:55

There's part of me that like we'll miss the boomers when they're gone, in part because they are like a bulwark against like actual communism. Um, but there's another part of me that's just like. You know, let's just let it happen. Accelerationism is the way. Like the zoomers they're like, we're like 25 percent gay and then like 50 percent homophobic, so we just gotta, just gotta get through it. Are you a?

Speaker 4: 58:18

convert or cradle convert, you're a convert where'd you come from?

Speaker 5: 58:23

I was southern baptist southern baptist so you were a you were a fundamentalist on that issue to begin with, right uh, I mean, I didn't really like I was, but like we didn't really talk about it too much, like it was like young earth, creationism was just what you were, um, pretty much, and that we didn't talk about genesis too much. We were too focused on, you know, chillin and axe paul, only paul, but not anything interesting in paul, you know?

Speaker 5: 58:52

yeah, no, I come from like the most typical evangelical, like one saved, always saved, it's just, it was the worst.

Speaker 4: 59:00

So wait, did you okay? Did you um, like, did you always have faith? And then like, or were, or did you just kind of like, go through the motions of it because your parents made you?

Speaker 5: 59:13

uh, I mean. So I had like a like conversion when I was 11, but I never got baptized until I converted. So so you became Catholic?

Speaker 4: 59:22

When did you? How many years ago? Was that Like two? So.

Speaker 5: 59:26

Oh you're, it's your baby. I'm a little baby Catholic but, like I was, I was in the RCIA. I had to stay an extra year in RCIA because my priest was like oh you. My priest was like oh, you weren't baptized, so we'll make sure you're catechized.

Speaker 4: 59:37

So, pretty well, uh, versed in the issues, I actually had a good priest, which is rare these days and did you come in right into novus ordoism or did you go right to the latin mass, like what?

Speaker 5: 59:48

did you. So I was always curious about the latin mass um, but I had like a like a decent novus ordo from a priest that was like basically forced to say it by TC. So he, he, he, like, he said it like as reverent as you can say, the Novus Ordo, which is just, you know, not as much, but then kind of quickly he passed away and then quickly after that, like I was TLM a hundred percent.

Speaker 4: 1:00:13

I did get held back.

Speaker 6: 1:00:14

Extra year at. Rcia.

Speaker 4: 1:00:18

Funny story. My wife went through RCIA and I had like a blowout with the instructors I did too. Yeah, I had just like reverted and come back and this woman always a woman was teaching my wife's RCIA class and she starts saying, well, the priesthood was like invented hundreds of years later. And like starts saying, well, the priesthood was like invented hundreds of years later, you know, and like start saying crazy stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:00:40

She was, this was right at the time when Benedict had changed the words and like I had never been to a Latin mass at this point, but it was, benedict had just changed the words in the mass to go from like and also with you, to and with your spirit. The words of consecration used to say the sacrifice given for you and for all, and he changed it to you and for many. Like all these different changes, and she was furious that benedict had made these changes. Now the priest was a good pre, like he was a good, um, uh, pastor of the parish. I wound up like having a deep conversation with him and and he gave me he gave me one of his, he gave me the spirit of the liturgy, his copy of the spirit of the liturgy from Pope Benedict, and that was like my first introduction to Bratzinger, you know it was like a very interesting time. But yeah, rcia programs are a total disaster and a mess I had.

Speaker 5: 1:01:35

I had a blowout in mine. So I was taught that we had a primary instructor who was like a actual thomist like not like one of these twitter thomists like nowadays. He was like an actual thomist before. It was cool, um, and he was a great instructor, but the parish also assigned a married deacon to oversee and man, man, he was the. They started, they got into like a nuclear war over the death penalty, um, and I was obviously, you know, pro, let's, let's hang them in the public square kind of guy. But like it was, it was absolute mess.

Speaker 4: 1:02:11

My, my younger brother, got married outside of a Catholic church by a Catholic priest on the beach and it wasn't until years later that he found out his marriage wasn't a sacramental marriage and he had to like con convalidate his marriage and all this stuff, and it was a Catholic priest who did it. Like there are so many wacky, nutty priests and stuff out there now that it's like you have to really be on your guard. You gotta watch, yeah, yeah, he might, even he might not have even been validly baptized, that priest, you never know. So, um, I think we should go to the other side. We'll go over to locals and we will, uh, we'll talk e-girls, because I know that's like your forte, that's like that's my light up your alley, and I'm interested to see. Uh, I got, I got a bunch of questions I can ask you. So we're going to go over to locals, we're going to have a fun conversation over there.

Speaker 4: 1:03:05

Rob will be back on Tuesday. Um, joshua Charles is coming on soon, I think. I think next Thursday. I think that's what he said, or not? No, maybe, maybe it's not this next Tuesday, the following Tuesday. Then there's also, uh, somebody reached out to me. They wrote a book on maliki martin. Uh, I'm gonna try and read his book and then maybe do that interview with with him. Um, we're gonna try and do some different stuff. I I I gotta find some books to read because I like I like not talking about the pope like oh yeah, it's nice to not be like mad about what's happening in rome right now. Like I like not talking about the pope like oh yeah, it's nice to not be like mad about what's happening in rome right now. Like I just it's kind of just nothing happening there. It's like nothing great.

Speaker 5: 1:03:45

It's just how. It's like the medieval mindset, you know, like oh pope's doing stuff. It's just nothing like every.

Speaker 4: 1:03:51

It's kind of funny because I will do it. On the other side I have some opinions, but I'll save them on the other side because people want me to hold my powder on Leo. But all right, guys, we are heading over to the other side. If you're not a Locals member, please go and subscribe. Rob usually has a little ticker that he puts up on the bottom of the screen right now to show you guys how to get to Locals. I don't know how to actually do that. Wait, taffy's got a super chat before we go. If you could get all but one e-girl off the internet, who is the one that gets to stay? We are going to answer that question on the other side. If you guys want to know the answer to which e-girl Taffy I actually I'm going to play your War on Beauty clips on the other side. Let's go.

Speaker 4: 1:04:35

We're going to go through Taffy's War on Beauty clips. On the other side too, we're going to talk all things e-girls on the other side, catholic e-girls specifically. So if you guys want to come over and join us over there, we will see you guys on Tuesday. I'm cutting off the feed to Facebook and I'm cutting off the feed to YouTube. We never had it up on X. The X feed got scrambled so nobody on x saw it. Um, all right, so it is just on locals and rumble. Let's get rid of room. Wait, is that rumble? Yeah, let's get rid of rumble remove. Um, that actually is a good question, if you could allow one Catholic eager.

Speaker 5: 1:05:19

I did have to answer this question the other day on that, like majorian lore stream I did with Tommy Newfer. Okay, this is a deep theological question. We're going to save War on Beauty and the reason why we're saving war on beauty is because there's a beef going on between her and religious hippie and you guys like a real one. Okay, you guys and locals have to keep a secret, all right that's the great thing about locals is they never rat anybody out.

Speaker 4: 1:05:53

They never rat me out on locals. I love them. I've told such crazy stories over on locals, gotta keep a secret. Let me pull the chat up. Hang on, hang on um all right, let's all right.

Speaker 5: 1:06:06

Here's the secret. All right, we have. There is a, there's a. There's a group, there's a. There's a shadowy cabal of people who are manufacturing a war between war on beauty and religious hippie, because nothing breaks apart women more than jealousy so we're trying to. We're trying to promote war on beauty just for the sole purpose of pissing off amber, because you know she's a jealous type oh for sure, yeah, so that's the only reason I am.

Speaker 4: 1:06:37

This is anti-symp. No e-girl.

Speaker 7: 1:06:38

Yeah, so that is literally the only reason I am still anti-Symp.

Speaker 5: 1:06:40

No e-girls ever, but that is what we're doing.

Speaker 4: 1:06:42

This is actually like when Nicki Minaj came up. And what's her name? What was the other hoe? What was the one before her? Kesha? No, the one that used to hang out with Biggie Smalls. What was her name? I don't remember Lil' Kim, like when Nicki Minaj came out. Little Kim, because there's only allowed to have one black rapper chick at a time, so religious hippies like that. She wants to be the only Gen Z e-girl that anybody watches. I got to turn my fan on.

Speaker 5: 1:07:15

Yeah, so we have literally just been like this beef has been wholly manufactured. It is not real at all. And and taffy's doing like propaganda pieces. It's hilarious, he's like he's like doctoring videos.

Speaker 4: 1:07:29

We're having so much fun with it all right, wait a minute, let me see if I could actually pull some of those up. Um, I have some of uh. Wait, taffy dm me some of the better ones I have uh let me see this one.

Speaker 5: 1:07:47

Wait, taffy's like our pravda. He just makes propaganda for us.

Speaker 4: 1:07:51

It's great he is he is just so good. He's been making us different intros for every episode. See, I turned the fan off. All right, wait, let me pull this up. Hang on, I got this. Let's see if I can pull this off.

Speaker 1: 1:08:12

Let's see.

Speaker 4: 1:08:16

Wait, all right, let's bring this up. Hang on, he's got. Hey, what is this? Remove for violent extremism? What is this? Is that a video? Is that a video that won't load? Oh no, oh okay, so now are these doctored photos, or yes, yeah, those are doctor.

Speaker 5: 1:08:42

Okay, she did have nicha on her list, though I'm just saying I'm an idolized summer reading list.

Speaker 4: 1:08:48

The jewish revolutionary spirit over and over oh, that's amazing telling you, there's just a group and we're just in a group chat.

Speaker 5: 1:08:57

We're just skeeting this stuff. This is what we do. Is this one fake? Yeah, they're all fake but wait, this one's not like she oh yeah, that one, that was a real post.

Speaker 4: 1:09:10

Yeah, this is legit um, hang on, there's more. Uh, let me see. Wait now. Has she responded to any of this?

Speaker 5: 1:09:21

um, not much so they. They have like talked about if they have a beef and, like amber said, I think on when chris interviewed her um that chris interviewed amber, not yeah, when chris interviewed amber that you know they had talked and like, oh, they were just joking about it, but it it definitely seems like it is getting under uh, blue, just hippie skin a little bit. I know I'm blocked by her, but I know she sees what I post.

Speaker 4: 1:09:50

I'm like a hundred for sure she sees. Yeah, because she's a narcissist so she'll always look um, okay, so come with me to get my hair cut.

Speaker 8: 1:09:58

A lot of people comment on my hair saying lord farquad or girl, your hair is a war on beauty. Anybody can be beautiful, no matter what they look like, if their internal is beautiful and love, peace and faith. Our understanding of beauty has been moved away from its truth, which is as a reflection of goodness and morality. Reconnect to truth and goodness, reconnect to the truth of beauty, come with me to get my haircut.

Speaker 4: 1:10:31

A lot of people comment on my hair. Did she freaking respond to that?

Speaker 5: 1:10:36

I don't think Taffy has she responded to any of your things Like sometimes. I think she'll give him a like sometimes. Okay, let's see what else he's got here. Hang on, oh, this one's funny, it's. Amber. Thank you, what's happening?

Speaker 4: 1:11:17

it's you, it was almost too easy, so tell me who is the fairest one of all. You are evil he is evil.

Speaker 5: 1:11:36

The decision to portray Amber as the witch was definitely on purpose, oh my gosh man, he's got more oh yeah, this one's great. I posted this one on my my amber thread the other day buckle up, because this one's going to be a tough one.

Speaker 3: 1:11:57

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Being nice does not mean you are being loving. Honestly, being nice is just the absence of being rude and, honestly, sometimes being nice can do more harm than good. So let's dive right in. I'm not trying to shame you, but I am trying to bring it to your attention that this is not healthy. Okay, not healthy. Just wanted to throw that in there real quick because I don't want you shame you, but I am trying to bring it to your attention that this is not healthy.

Speaker 3: 1:12:21

Okay, not healthy. Just wanted to throw that in there real quick because I don't want you to think that I'm like bullying you or blah, blah, blah, and it might seem like bullying, but it is coming from a place of love we use an amber audio, sometimes bullying can be charitable. So stay charitable, stay truthful, stay close to christ. Don't forget to like and subscribe, and I'll talk to you guys in the next if y'all haven't followed taffy, you need to go follow taffy man, dude, he is amazing dude like like genuinely genuinely hilarious dude.

Speaker 4: 1:12:53

Holy cow. Yeah, I don't know man. We were talking the other day about like, like, what can women actually do?

Speaker 5: 1:13:04

like I don't know man I mean like there's ways to post without being a narcissist. I do think War on Beauty is actually generally better at posting, because sometimes her posts are kind of interesting. There's some lore being dropped. I have yet to see anything that Amber has ever made that has made me think, wow, that was insightful. It is like if you took ChatGPT and you put in write me Catholic Eagle posts and it spits it out's what amber tweets every like, every day. She literally does. Ask rock yeah, I was the one who started that, that whole anti-ask rock movement. That was me.

Speaker 4: 1:13:50

I was bullying her and cameron reicher, because they just do that to engagement for him and it's oh yeah, look, I'll say this like I'm not, I don't like, I don't like any girls either, but she's way less annoying than amber, a hundred percent she's way less annoying. I don't know why.

Speaker 5: 1:14:08

I mean, maybe maybe she should still be annoying she doesn't like speak on like male female issues as much. She's not like talking about how men should act, like amber the. The thing that's most annoying about amber is that she tries to tell men how to act and like she doesn't. She doesn't even know how women should act. I mean with what she posts. So like how can she tell men how to act? Um, she's, it's all about. You know, instead of like a woman submitting to her husband or submitting to god, she's submitting to the algorithm and like that's just not. That's a freaking line.

Speaker 4: 1:14:41

Right there, boy, you're not submitting to your husband, you're submitting to the algorithm. That's a good line. All right, we got to do this one. We got to do this. We should have done this on on youtube.

Speaker 5: 1:14:50

This would have been oh oh boy, I have.

Speaker 4: 1:14:53

I have a ton on this. Okay, so how to find a wife advice from a Catholic woman. Now, I haven't read this. I went through like one or two of them and I was just like this is so freaking cringe, even just the start, that it's advice from a Catholic woman on how to find a wife.

Speaker 5: 1:15:09

You don't ask a deer how to hunt. That's just stupid.

Speaker 4: 1:15:15

Here's what I'm wondering Is this actually a woman? Because I do know it's a guy who runs the catholic answers account so he took it from an article that was written by a woman.

Speaker 5: 1:15:27

Okay, um, and like he in the comments, he's like defending it by saying like he has a guy endorsed it.

Speaker 4: 1:15:35

So he, as a guy, told everybody that they should stop interacting with me behind closed doors the kid who runs the catholic answers account. So I don't care what we say about this kid. Um, yeah, it was when I dropped my n-word post. He's a catholic. He's a catholic. This is unacceptable and nobody should interact with him.

Speaker 5: 1:15:58

Let's just things get back to me, I dropped like an 11 post thread, I think, on this. Uh, on this post in reply um let's go through it.

Speaker 4: 1:16:08

Let's hear the genius of of this catholic woman who's going to tell men how to find a girl. Many catholic women complain that the devout catholic men they meet are well boring. They tend to have fewer hobbies and interests than non-catholic men and don't joke or flirt as much. So you can take these concrete steps to make sure you stand out from the crowd so corniest meme I've ever seen that's all they do is post corny memes, I mean, like what he's?

Speaker 5: 1:16:36

what basically she's saying? There is that catholic men are not entertaining enough. Um, instead they're, you know, being holy, uh. So you know, you have to be entertaining, you have to, you have to be more palatable to the female tensions, you know okay all right, I'm I keep looking, I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 4: 1:16:56

You're gonna defend the women. I'm gonna defend that position. All right, you guys are all talking about Riz all the time. Like this is all I hear about from you guys is Riz, riz, riz. Like there's something to that, like, actually, so it's the one I have no, I have no business saying it, but like there's something to that.

Speaker 4: 1:17:20

Like you gotta be able, you gotta be able to charm abroad Like you have to, like there's. There's an art form to it and it's not that you're catering to her. Is that you're outsmarting? Her yeah, yeah, you're outsmarting her, is what you're doing you have to, you have to be, you have to be.

Speaker 5: 1:17:38

I hate to say the word manipulate but you kind of got, I'm gonna kind of have to, though like I I'm not against, you know, I I do think uh, a lot of catholic men have no idea how to date um anybody, and they're too afraid to talk to women, which I just disagree with. Um, don't put people on a pedestal, but uh, it's just this, this thread just being written by women, just wrong.

Speaker 4: 1:17:59

Author yeah, I agree, but there's also something to like even even you younger guys, like trying to get yourselves in shape and going to the gym and taking care of yourselves, and like knowing how to spit a little bit of game to women, like even catholic girls you got to spit a little game to the catholic girls. Like you got to make her laugh. The key to a girl's heart is actually making her laugh you can make a girl laugh.

Speaker 4: 1:18:18

I don't care if you're a fat, if you're a fat slob, you'll. You'll win the chick if you can make her laugh 100.

Speaker 5: 1:18:23

it's all about having a sense of humor. There are definitely like people who just like. It's the same with theology People can like hyper, fixate on theology and become like just a boring person to interact with. And it's the same with the gym, like they're called gym cells, and I identify as a gym cell even though I have a fiance.

Speaker 5: 1:18:40

like I can do some Riz, but you know you have to be able to Sometimes you guys get a little bit like the crossfit people merkle, which is like a cult and I want to tell you my twitter account is basically a cult. I'm not even gonna lie. Yeah, it's, it's. It's a bit much sometimes, but it's all right. I understand, you're still 26, and it's the cult of white monster. You know, that's this all right.

Speaker 4: 1:19:04

So put yourself out there. Go to events both both Catholic and not necessarily Catholic that attract single adults. Challenge yourself to actually speak to at least one single woman at each social event. Have a wingman, hold you accountable. That is just gay.

Speaker 5: 1:19:19

It's the most generic advice ever Put yourself out there. Oh yeah, really insightful. Thank you for that one. I mean, I thought I was just going to find a woman by sitting in my room all day insightful, thank you for that one. I mean, I thought I was just gonna find a woman by sitting in my room all day, but apparently I need to put myself out there. Um, it's, it's, it's like you have. I mean, you go to these young adult events. Um, luckily, I already was like good on relationship before I even, like, became catholic. But like it's just. It's like the women still have the same like tinder level instincts as secular women. It's the same. Women still have the same like Tinder level instincts as secular women. It's the same in the Catholic church, like they're, they're still. It's still the same way Did you do?

Speaker 4: 1:19:55

did you do dating apps to meet your chick or like, how'd you meet your chick?

Speaker 5: 1:20:01

High school.

Speaker 2: 1:20:02

Oh, way back in high school, so like I got, like last chopper, out of nom pretty much.

Speaker 4: 1:20:16

Yeah school. So like I got like last chopper out of nam pretty much. Yeah, like I got, I got very lucky. That really is the ideal way to go, like if you could meet somebody young, like that because, um, you grow up together, 100 and there's no surprises like it's like the when you meet somebody, like if you're 27, 28 and you just meet another 27 28 year old, like there's a lot of baggage there that you're not going to know about and you're going to find out about, especially if you're looking to like move things along quickly because you want to get married and stuff. Like there's a lot that comes along with that. I'm not look, I'm happy for anybody that gets that to happen, but it's just if you can wrap it up from a girl you meet when you're in your early twenties or earlier, that's always ideal.

Speaker 5: 1:20:49

Pray for your homies on the dating apps. It's tough out there.

Speaker 4: 1:20:52

I can't even like. Thank God, I never, ever had to. I don't even know Like it. It's gotta be terrible. Okay, develop, rekindle some interest so that you're well-rounded. Physical activities, activities that double as social activities, are great. Ultimate frisbee partner dancing rock what are they not?

Speaker 5: 1:21:10

like the gayest hobbies, like imaginable. Oh yeah, that guy's into partner dancing. I want to. I want to marry him like dude, if you asked a chick to play frisbee, she'd be like what? You want to play frisbee like? Are you, what? Are you a golden retriever? What are we doing here?

Speaker 4: 1:21:27

so we're intellectual, creative pursuits play an instrument, learn a new language. I will say that my wife said she fell in love with me when I played the guitar in high school, like I played like publicly at like an event at school, and she said that was when she there's nothing wrong with having hobbies, and I think hobbies can make you more interesting.

Speaker 5: 1:21:48

It's just her choice of hobbies is terrible and you know you shouldn't choose your hobbies to pick up women. Like that's a bad way to choose your hobbies. Like a lot of guys get into the gym just to impress women and that is the wrong reason to lift weights. Yeah, absolutely, that's how you're lifting weights. It's narcissism too.

Speaker 4: 1:22:12

It's like it's ego and stuff like that. So wait, this I disagree with too. Basically, do things that women do, so that you have something to talk about with them and somewhere to take them on dates, that's how you get yeah, yeah, I okay.

Speaker 4: 1:22:22

Um, I gave this advice to, uh, a good friend yesterday who's single and he's like weighing the priesthood or you know he hasn't met somebody yet and he was just talking about like he's, like you know, I would need to meet a woman who's intellectually stimulating and this and that. And I said that's all well and good, like, of course you don't want to dumb broad, I'm not, you know. I said, but here's what I'll tell you. It's the same thing I told nick.

Speaker 4: 1:22:53

Nick cavazos, like you don't, like, nick cavazos was looking for a girl who's into tomism and I'm like you don't actually want that, like you don't, you think you do, but you don't, because you're going to get into like theological debates with your chick. You want your chick to just go along with whatever you you say on matters of theology, first off, but second off, like if you're going to do theology as a career, you don't want to talk about work at home. No, no, you, just you don't, like you don't want to talk about. So, like for you, like I'm not, I don't know whatever I'm not gonna. I'm like for me, I don't want to talk about it. So, like for you, like I'm not, I don't know whatever. I'm not going to. I'm like for me. I don't like because I discuss like politics and stuff, like I don't want my wife to be concerned with politics.

Speaker 5: 1:23:38

No, my, my fiance does not care at all. She just she's like yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

Speaker 4: 1:23:48

Whenever I like I'm like autistically ranting, she's like yeah, sure, Cool, Like my, my wife just doesn't read the news, she doesn't care what's going on in the world and there's such a freedom she has, and that she's not like burdened by the oh my gosh, Elon Musk and Trump are fighting today. Did you like what? Why would you ever?

Speaker 4: 1:24:05

want to happen, it doesn't matter. Like, why do you want to go home and talk to your wife about that stuff? So, no, no, no, not a dumb girl. So, like, my wife is very intelligent in ways I'm not and that, like she sees the world very differently than I do. She's an artist, right. So like I like to see the big picture of things, like I need to see the grand story of something.

Speaker 4: 1:24:29

So we like we went on a uh for our, oh for my birthday. Actually, we went to uh, do you know who? Um, joseph smith. Uh, the guy who wrote um the hero story. Like the, the. What the hell is his name? Uh, the like the the hero myth. Like he, he wrote, like the, the hero's journey. That's what it is. Um, it might be joseph smith. I think it is joseph smith. He wrote the hero's journey.

Speaker 4: 1:24:58

He had this compound in upstate new york and it's dude, it's like all hippies up there and stuff, and like. So me and my wife take this walk on this compound and we're staying in this little wood cabin. It's like a tiny home. It's got a little wood burning stove. It's just a simple bedroom. You have to like cook on a on a wood burning stove and so it's like really interesting place.

Speaker 4: 1:25:21

But we're walking around the compound and there's all these different like things like, uh, dude, there's like you, you know the book where the wild things are.

Speaker 4: 1:25:30

Yeah, it's like I'm walking and I'm looking at like this thing in the distance and I'm and I'm like, oh okay, so I'm trying to figure out a path for us to go to get across this, this, uh, body of water and I'm like, all right, so if we go that way, we could get up this way. And my wife is just like lost behind me, like where the hell did she go? She goes off into this little trail and she's looking at the trees and on the trees the moss is is forming a particular way on the tree and she's fascinated by it. And then there's this little box on the tree that I never would have seen and when you open the doors of it, you see the characters from where the wild things are. Like these freaking people are total hippies. But it's just the way she sees things at a very close like she'll take pictures that are very zoomed in, because she sees things that I don't see.

Speaker 5: 1:26:16

So it's like she's just she has a different type of intelligence than I do yeah, no, like my fiance, like she can recall everything, every single word from a conversation that she had with someone at work, or like every single thing in a story. I am so bad at telling stories. I just get the spark notes, that's all I am. Yeah, I feel like when people talk to me and I can tell what they're gonna say, I just want to skip the dialogue.

Speaker 5: 1:26:41

That's how my brain works so like I can recall, like I can recall like in a obscure battle from ancient rome, but I can't recall. Like I can recall like in a obscure battle from ancient Rome, but I can't recall like what happened at dinner yesterday.

Speaker 4: 1:26:52

John. John Paul is asking if we were on mushrooms. So no, not this time, no, not yet. No, not this. Like we don't do that now, but we have been to that place before, like like we've been going there for years and years and years. Place before. Like like we've been going there for years and years and years and we have done that up there together before, like I was back at church and stuff. So it's like it's just interesting for us to always go back to that place because we've been going there for so many years and we always find new things to check out. And there's like an indian reservation right next to it and stuff. It's always fun.

Speaker 5: 1:27:26

Um, all right, let's go to the next uh, I also think it's more important to have more than shared hobbies with your wife. You need to have, like, a shared direction. That's way more important. I'm surprised catholic answers is not saying that. That seems way more important to me than something like superficial I would even say that you should have separate hobbies.

Speaker 4: 1:27:46

I, yeah, you want to. You want a girl who has her own interests, so that she's not like waiting on you for every little thing to make. Like you want your, your wife, to have her own passions and her own interests so that you're not left with the burden of entertaining her at every waking moment. You know what I mean like. So my wife's an artist. She's always doing little art projects and weird things around the house. So my wife put a freaking stick on top of our chandelier. It was like a really big branch. And I come home and she's like did you notice my installation? I'm like what? What? You put a stick on a freaking chandelier. What is wrong with you? I don't get it. But she thought it was an art project, I don't know. Fucking weird. My wife's weird.

Speaker 4: 1:28:33

Lighten up a bit. You should have a good prayer life and know your faith well, but you should be capable of talking about less serious things and joking around. I agree with that. Serious discussions about the faith have their place, but these should come a little later. No, I don't know about coming later. And one one frustrated woman says don't mention the fourth ladder in council.

Speaker 5: 1:28:56

On the first date. Yeah, don't nerd out too. I kind of agree with that one. Yes, yeah, I think I think some guys spurg out a little bit about the faith too much, um, but that's fine, uh, that's. If that's your hobby, that's your hobby. I think sometimes you can keep your more, uh, more I wouldn't say um, scaring the hose away. Hobbies, uh, a little bit down on the low, if you know what I mean. When you first come, like if you're into like video games, maybe don't spend your entire first date talking about video games. Maybe that one on the down low you can still play video games. I'm fine with that.

Speaker 4: 1:29:27

And also this with the faith, I'll say this um, women process the faith very differently than men. So if you have an instance where something really sparks something in you with the faith whether it's a typological story or like something that just happened to deepen your conversion Don't go right home and burden your wife with that Like or your girlfriend with that. Wait for an appropriate time, like there will be an appropriate time where she's open and receptive to it, where you can maybe explain it Like.

Speaker 4: 1:30:03

I remember trying to convince my wife ofolicism and it didn't go over well, like like she just didn't want to hear, like she always she early on she had such a hard time with like extra ecclesiam nola salas and non-catholics not going ahead.

Speaker 5: 1:30:19

That's just hard for women, just very hard for women, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:30:23

So I just chilled out with that and she witnessed my conversion. And then there were things that happened conversations that happened with her family and different things and non-Catholics expressing their version of Christianity that made her go oh my goodness, this is just a fake version of Jesus. They had Like it's just a totally made up version of Jesus, made in their own image, like she recognized it on her own without me having to jam it down her throat.

Speaker 5: 1:30:55

So yeah, the article has some crazy lines in it. Oh, we got to go to it, then it gets wild. Go to it, then it it gets. It gets wild. Um, it says uh, I think if you talk to a girl for more than 10 minutes, you should take the initiative and ask for her number and I'm like I'm like dude, that's how you get labeled as a creep. Like immediately, it's just wait. What does it say?

Speaker 5: 1:31:23

hang on, I have to actually bring this up it says if you talk to her for more than 10 minutes, ask for her number all right, I got it.

Speaker 4: 1:31:32

Hang on, we're gonna bring this article up. Let's see okay, uh develop or rekindle some interest, as you rather lighten up a bit, learn appropriate so flirtation is where it starts to branch off.

Speaker 4: 1:31:50

Um, okay show a woman you are interested in her, in her, in a confident yet playful and non-pushy way. Compliment her, tease her mildly in a way that makes her laugh, if you know well enough to know she won't hurt, won't be hurt. Ask her questions about herself in general. This is such woman gar jargon. Yeah, if she's responding well, laughing, smiling, keeping the conversation going rather than trying to find a polite exit. So like even this advice, though it's like if a guy doesn't have that, he doesn't have that. That's not like this advice is meaningless to a guy that doesn't have that. Um, a matchmaker I know says that if you talk to a woman for more than 10 minutes, you should ask for her number, and if you ask for her number, you should call her. Yes, call within a few days to ask her for a date that is the number one way to scare the hose away.

Speaker 5: 1:32:40

10 minutes is is way too, way too fast. Um, and you want you to look you honestly.

Speaker 4: 1:32:49

I don't, even I don't. I'll tell you what you guys should do. Every chick's got her phone in her hand Right when you like. Every chick's always got her phone in hand If, if you think, if you think your girl is cute, just walk up and go and start blurting your number out. No, that'll work. 7, let's go. No, that'll work. 718-627-3341. What? What do you say? Oh, I had your phone out. I thought you were gonna put my number in, like something like that, like something, yeah something ridiculous. That's a good line yeah, oh it also asks it.

Speaker 5: 1:33:32

It's, it's in the last of that once you circuit paragraph they. They might not do it in movies, but saying may I kiss you is actually very romantic. Oh no, it's right, here we're going to this hold on.

Speaker 4: 1:33:42

Hold on to continue pursuing her for as long as you're still interested. Keep planning thoughtful dates, dates based on your shared interests or trying new experiences together. Ask her questions about herself progressing slowly from a more surface-level topic when you're more seriously interested in her and no one else. Ask her to be your girlfriend and talk about what that means. Also, ask her before attempting any physical gestures. They might not do it in the movies, but saying may I kiss you is actually very romantic. No, it is not. It is awkward. You are going to be told no, you will be humiliated. No girl wants to hear that. This woman is a psychopath no, that's.

Speaker 5: 1:34:21

That's how you make her feel like you're like her guidance counselor, like so, but no, it's, you come off like a creep. Yeah, it's like it's, it's h attraction is not like in a in hr approved process you will come off like you have to ask the moment's over it's done, yeah, and she says no, what do you do?

Speaker 4: 1:34:41

all these conversations take courage, but courage is attractive, plus, they're good. I will say, um, uh, you do need to just have confidence. I guess, like, like, like there's a very big difference in men and women is that men view confidence in women as ugly. Like no man wants an arrogant woman or a woman who's, like, overly confident in herself. Like you want a girl who looks like a 10, but thinks she's a five. Like that's honestly what you want, yeah, whereas it's the opposite with a guy. Like a guy if he's a six but has but thinks he's a 10, like that is attractive to a woman. Like you don't necessarily have to be that attractive as a man to score a hot girl. You just have to think you're a hot guy and you can get the girl.

Speaker 5: 1:35:28

I have, like I have only like three pieces of dating advice ever and it's the best way to become more attractive is just to stop being fat. And that's just true for men and women. Like it sounds harsh, but it's just true, like it's the single easiest way to improve your appearance. And secondly, alongside that same journey, as you're losing weight and stuff, that increases your self-confidence, which helps you with being more confident among women. Now, women don't typically like it if you're too cocky, but if you're just confident in yourself and you build confidence in how you act and how you conduct yourself, that'll kind of rub off on that. And then at the end of the day, you have to ask the girl out, like if she's not just going to be, come up to you and be like, can I be your wife? Like that doesn't happen. So you, you do actually have to stop being you know a, a word and just do it like if you do nothing, you'll be nothing.

Speaker 4: 1:36:22

you just have to do it um, somebody's saying I need my wife to be a set a. Um, your wife should just follow you wherever the hell you're going yeah, she shouldn't care about theology enough like, yeah, she should not, she should just. Wherever you're taking me, I'm gonna go, babe, um I. So I was telling uh majorian in the green room, like I lost, I'm. I'm at 30 pounds, I've lost. Now, part of that was when we went to north carolina.

Speaker 4: 1:36:47

I saw a picture of myself and I was like holy crap, I did not know I was that heavy like I've never been that heavy in my life and it's like I have a duty to remain attractive to my wife, like, yeah, she's still attractive. How could I not remain attractive like it's. It's almost like the worst thing you could do to your partner If you just let yourself go? It's, it's, it's awful they didn't sign up for that. That's not the contract they they agreed to. You know, like if you were in good shape when you got married, you got to do your best to stay in that shape or do your best to to to get in that shape.

Speaker 5: 1:37:32

Um, yeah, I, I, I just think, in general, most female dating advice for men is just poison. Um, and it's not necessarily that women are actively being malicious. I think they just, I think they mean, well, I just think they, they, they believe what they say, but they just misperceive reality. They're clueless. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's not about what works. It's like what makes them feel good and like what makes them feel like. Oh yeah, I think this is blah, blah, blah. They, they don't know what they want. They don't, they don't know what they want, they don't.

Speaker 4: 1:38:01

And look the man, something happened Like I kept watching, um, I kept watching, um, I kept watching, like that divorce attorney, those videos and I kept hearing all these. Like you remember when that like whole trend where uh pearl was playing all the divorced women videos and they were like like so many of these women got divorced because they were like I didn't feel seen by him, like I didn't feel seen by him, like I didn't feel seen by him. That's a real thing, though. Like that actually is a real thing. Like like, if you are a husband and you just come home and like you go do your own thing and you're not paying any attention to your wife, like your wife will not feel seen.

Speaker 4: 1:38:41

And this is this goes to like the epidemic of female teachers sleeping with their students, cause it is an epic that it is so insane how often this happens. Yeah, and it's because you'll get this 35 year old chick who's married. The husband is watching porn constantly, so he doesn't even pay his wife any attention because she's a pain in the ass about that. Like, once the bedroom dries up, you basically have a, an annoying roommate, like that's actually why you just have an annoying roommate, and that you're, once a month like yeah and it's more yeah, yeah, for at least once a month, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:39:17

For a week out of the month, yeah. And once that dynamic kind of goes away, you just don't like each other anymore. And then if another guy gives your wife that attention that you're no longer giving her, it's like women want to want to feel wanted. So you better make sure, men, that you make your girls still feel attractive to you, like she needs to know you still find her attract, like I I saw a video of a chick going um, um, my husband, um, you know, we, if I, if I got out of the shower, uh and like, and he was in the room, he would just instantly attack me and this was disturbing and you know, our sex life got better when he just stopped doing this. He would stop smacking my ass in the kitchen and things like this is what the woman is saying and I'm just like, I feel so bad for that man.

Speaker 4: 1:40:12

Like that woman is getting attention from her husband. She was going there will come a day. There will come a day when her husband no longer cares that she's getting out of the shower because she's lost her beauty. Because this is a very difficult thing for women. They, they go through their youth and they're very attractive and this is why there's so many women are getting plastic surgery, because they've put so much stock in their beauty. So as they get older and they lose their beauty, they'll come a tipping point where the husband, they'll hit the wall and the husband will actually no longer want anything to do with them. And then there'll be like oh my gosh, what am I going to do? So it's like like women should appreciate when they still have that youth but also have other things to offer, so that your husband isn't only with you for that. You know, it's like it really is a dynamic you have to work on in marriages.

Speaker 4: 1:41:05

Man, I know, I know I was talking to somebody yesterday about marriage and, uh, somebody, I was talking to somebody yesterday. Uh, I'm going to read some of the texts because they were kind of wild about marriages. Um, so I was at, I was at work and there was a uh, so we do sidewalk. Uh, you know, we go in and we rip sidewalks out and we replace them. Now this woman had a little six inch strip of grass between her sidewalk and the street and my guy went and asked her hey, do you want, when we put the sidewalk back, do you want the sidewalk to go all the way to the street or do you want the strip of grass put back in? She goes I want the strip of grass put back in. It was six inches wide. It looked ridiculous. It was all. The neighbor next door goes no, I want the sidewalk to go all the way out to the street. So my, my, one of the foreman there put the sidewalk all the way out to the street in front of both neighbors houses.

Speaker 4: 1:42:08

Now the woman went nuts because she said she wanted the grass put back. The husband comes out to talk to me because I come there and the husband's like I got. To be honest, it looks so much better with the sidewalk like this. But I'm not going to fight with her, like I just I'm just telling you right now if, if you guys don't put that grass back, she's going to make a problem for somebody and I'm just telling you I'm not going to deal with it.

Speaker 4: 1:42:24

I've never been more disgusted by a man in my entire life. Like I wanted to say to him go in and tell your wife you like it better this way and you don't want the grass, and it will save us from having to rip the entire sidewalk out and going to put this stupid six inch strip of weeds back in for you, like it just nauseated me. So my friend texted me when he saw me tweet that and he said uh, let me say, said you really don't know how lucky you are. Uh, no, fortunate you are in your marriage. You were tweeting about emasculated husbands. They are that way because they married a woman who implicitly knows that all the legal precedent is on her side. They can make a husband's life hell and taking take the kids with her. You can be anthony on ab because you, you have a wife, you have a great wife who operates under a higher law. That then really exists. A vast majority of men in our world do not have such an arrangement. It's why the no christian manosphere exists.

Speaker 4: 1:43:26

So he's talking about like the red pill and stuff like that. That is a real thing, right? Yeah, like the. The thing is I'm, I'm not different. I mean I, I'm, I'm different in that I'm much more gentle with my wife and stuff. But like my wife knows this side of me, like I'm not, I'm not like one way in front of you guys, and then my wife thinks like she would, she would never be horrified by anything I say. Like she, she's been married to me forever. Like she, she understands who her husband is. Something about it is actually why she loves me like that I, that I, I just don't care what people think, and you know things like that like there's something about that that she likes, but him, him, he is telling me he goes.

Speaker 4: 1:44:12

I think you underestimate widespread borderline personality disorder. They are held hostage to psychopaths who use the kids as leverage. I know more than just a few. Read up on borderline personality disorder and the man gets screwed in every way by a legal system that favors women, even crazy women. It's what happened to and he told me, a specific person that we all know. Yeah, a Catholic like a Catholic who. So what happens is you get a guy who's Catholic and he has self-sacrifice built into his DNA because he wants to be a good Catholic and he wants to serve his wife and sacramental marriage is the cross to heaven and the women will just completely take advantage of it. Like I, just my heart goes out to those men, but I feel like a lot of them dug their own grave.

Speaker 5: 1:44:54

I feel bad for them, but at the same time I don't like the defeatist mindset that people have. I think it's the thing that Satan wants more than anything is for you to black bill. This is why I always say never black bill, because when you have that defeatist mindset, that's the sin of despair, right? You know God can't save me. That's what that mindset it comes down to at the end of the day. That's why we never black bill. We always have hope. You know, just because things are bad, this is how it is.

Speaker 5: 1:45:29

Yeah, and it's also like those all should be changed yeah, they should be.

Speaker 4: 1:45:33

But also like don't man, it is important to remain. I got. I hate. I hate when people say, like my wife's my best friend, but like you do have to remain friends with each other, like you do have to enjoy one another's company and that can go away very quickly after 10, 15, 20 years of marriage. You're looking at the same damn person Like you have to do things to make sure you still like each other. Like it's just, I don't know man. It's like like they say, oh, you got to go on date night. No, you still have to kind of like court your wife. It's your man, you know you want to, you have to make her feel wanted.

Speaker 5: 1:46:15

Yeah, you have to love her and protect her.

Speaker 4: 1:46:17

And yes it's like because I think too many guys get into the mundanity of marriage and they just think their wife's a pain in the ass and they kowtow to whatever she says because they just would rather do that than hear an argument. A lot of men will do anything because they're slaves to their libido and they're unwilling to put their foot down about something because they, because their wife will use sex as a weapon against them and they will withhold it from them, so they'll just do whatever the wife says to avoid that from happening and that just creates a bigger problem. Like there's something about not just saying no for the sake of no, but, like you got, you have to say no to your wife at times just so that she knows that you have the ability to say no to her, because it's like you do have to be the leader in your home, you know yeah well, and I think it's just a problem in our age is just like the biggest problem I, I I think in our age is apathy.

Speaker 5: 1:47:17

It's kind of going with the flow and it happens a lot of marriage. Guys will just kind of go with the flow. They'll let their, they'll take the back seat or let their wife catechize their kids. They'll just just say, oh yes, dear Stuff like that. No, if you do nothing, you'll be nothing. And I say that over and over again because it's true If you don't do anything with your life, your life is going to end before you know it.

Speaker 4: 1:47:41

You have to actually be an active moral agent. I want to tell you guys a story. So I have a sister agent. I want to. I want to tell you guys a story. So I have a sister. I have one of my younger sisters, doesn't? She's not practicing the faith. She had a kid with a guy and they moved in together and then that didn't work out. This guy never like.

Speaker 4: 1:48:01

I had a blowout with this guy, uh, like two years ago, like I flipped, I was like what? Like when they first had their kid and I'm like why are you not marrying my sister? Like what kind of piece of garbage are you like? Why are you not like stepping up? Why don't you want to be a husband and a father?

Speaker 4: 1:48:15

Like like men that knock girls up and don't want to marry, they're like they kind of disgust me, like they just you know, especially because he loves my sister, like it's not, like he just knocks some girl up, like they've been together for years, and so he just was like girl up, like they'd been together for years, and so he just was like I'm like I'm never going to end up having to give half my crap to my wife. Like you know, I had that mindset. So he never. He never proposed to her. So she moved in with him.

Speaker 4: 1:48:37

That kind of got rocky and she moved back home and I told my sister. I said, listen to me, he's never going to marry you because you keep giving him the privileges and benefits of a marriage without any of the responsibility. So I went to Greece. I come home from Greece and my sister texted me and she goes. I hate to say it, but you're right about everything. I'm like what are you talking about? She goes. I finally put my foot down. I stopped seeing him altogether and some other guy asked me how to go out on a date. When he found out about it, he ran out, bought a ring and proposed to her because he thought he was going to lose her because she was. He was keeping her dangling over here like oh she's not going anywhere and I don't have to marry her.

Speaker 4: 1:49:19

And he was weeping to her, crying to her because I don't know why I didn't do this right away, blah, blah, blah. So now my sister's like I don't even know what I'm going to do, but just the idea that, like man, like I said to her, I go, let me tell you something I said there is no scenario that will ever happen where one of my daughters will ever, like they'll never sleep with a guy before marriage. Like it'll never, ever happen. Right, I'm like, but especially move in together, like I, I'm so angry so angry at my father for not like intervening there.

Speaker 4: 1:50:00

Like the boomer generation thinks like, oh, you can't tell your kids what to do because they might not talk to you anymore. It's like I'll go break a kid's face open if he thinks he's moving my daughter into his. Exactly what are your mind? My daughter's not moving in with you. I will literally break your head open like yeah, I don't know I don't understand.

Speaker 5: 1:50:18

It's something about the boomers because like it's the same in my family, like my, my sister moved in with her boyfriend before marriage. They're still not married, they're living. My dad didn't do anything about it, like he said he would do something about it. He never did anything about it.

Speaker 4: 1:50:32

Um, I can't stand it personally, but like what your sister perceived in that the same with my sister is my dad doesn't love me. I'm not her dad. Yeah, like my dad never has any authority over me. He doesn't love me enough to stop me from my bad decisions. It's like kids. Kids want to be disciplined. I don't care if they're in their twenties.

Speaker 4: 1:50:49

Like you need to discipline your children and correct their behavior because they want you to. It's not. It's the same thing with. It's like the the we had that conversation about uh, like I, I did a video once talking about Trent needs to, because Trent got into it with Pearl about disciplining wives and Pearl was like would you ever discipline your wife? He's like I would never discipline my wife. It's like no, sometimes you have to discipline a wife and that doesn't mean you hit her. That's not what it means. It's like if you're, if your wife is out of control with spending, you take her credit card away. It's the money. If your wife does, you know if she it. Whatever, if she's on her phone too much and she doesn't cook dinner that night, like there needs to be consequence. You need to correct that behavior. Like it just it's I don't.

Speaker 5: 1:51:36

I don't understand guys it's just like raising a kid like I. I know that sounds like you're infantile, infantilizing your wife, but like at the end of the day, if bad behavior is left unchecked, it's going to continue tommy says uh, sex makes your iq go to zero.

Speaker 4: 1:51:51

It does okay. Remember the seinfeld? You ever see the seinfeld episode? When george gives up sex. He gives up sex, he becomes a genius. Like he's able to freaking. It's because it really does take up such a big portion of the male mind that you know if you can get control of your libido. You're, you will excel in other areas, you know I love my incel followers. We love them yeah, I want, but I want to see a lot of those guys get girls same man.

Speaker 4: 1:52:22

Like it's, like it's sad but the thing is it's a lot of it is going to take mentorship from other guys that are like I. We went to um. We went to the steubenville friday night street fair a couple years ago, like two years ago. We like I met rob there and my friend joe came with us. It was like a whole bunch of us and like a bunch of single guys there and there's like 25 young single catholic girls at the street fair and they're all just sitting there not doing anything and I'm like y'all gonna go talk to him I'm like you got like.

Speaker 4: 1:52:57

So like I go over and I start asking. I was like where's your wedding ring? Where's your wedding ring? Like what do you do? Like just to get a conversation started and they all start talking. I just walked away. I'm like all right, I see you guys later. I did my job and I just got them. It's like they wouldn't go and talk to the girl. It was so weird to me Like they're so afraid to just have a conversation with chicks man.

Speaker 5: 1:53:18

Yeah, no, it's it's. It's that same kind of fear I get it. Don't want to be called a creep. It's like the worst thing you can be called with all the cameras around nowadays, like whatever like just you, gotta break a few eggs, make an omelet you know, just be a creep. Creep's a great song by radiohead. Do you have a wedding date picked yet, or what? November 15th?

Speaker 4: 1:53:40

november 15th this year, yeah, this year, all right. All right, we're gonna wrap this one up, majorian, thank you for filling in um rob. Uh, all right, so you were the first golden ticket. We will see who we will bring on next to replace rob. I'm waiting for somebody to actually believe that nonsense. Let me just see something again. Oof, yeah, not having it on twitter, because what happens is when it's on twitter, people see it, people see it, and then they go to youtube.

Speaker 4: 1:54:12

So it's like that. It sucks when that freaking x link doesn't go up. What I'll do is I'll upload the show to x after we get off. But all right, dude, this was fun. Um and uh, we'll have you on again soon, man man, yeah, of course, and Rob and I will be back on Tuesday. I think maybe Hitchborn Tuesday, and then Josh the following Tuesday, and I don't know. We'll see what's going on. But you guys, thank you for all checking it out. This was a really fun local show. Locals is better than YouTube. Sometimes when you get to locals, you kind of like the pressures taking off and it's like you just shoot the shit and not bargain. We did get a bunch of good clips. I will be putting clips out of this show. All right, everybody. Thank you. We will see you guys next time. Thank you.