Avoiding Babylon
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Avoiding Babylon
The Papacy During 5th Generation Warfare
The Catholic world is experiencing a bizarre phenomenon in the early days of Pope Leo XIV's papacy - a "cafeteria papacy" where both traditionalists and progressives are selectively highlighting different aspects of the same papal statements to claim the new pontiff as their own.
When Pope Leo speaks about dignity and tradition, conservative Catholics celebrate these as signs of a return to orthodoxy after the turbulent Francis years. When he mentions synodality or continuity with his predecessor, progressive Catholics claim validation for their preferred direction. This selective interpretation reveals more about the fractured state of Catholic media than about Leo himself, who has yet to make definitive statements on controversial issues. The appointment of Cardinal Raina to the John Paul II Institute perfectly exemplifies this dynamic, with both sides claiming the same action supports their narrative.
Meanwhile, a disturbing trend has emerged alongside this media frenzy: AI-generated videos purporting to show Pope Leo delivering apocalyptic messages about the end times. One such fake sermon has garnered hundreds of thousands of views, with comments sections filled with viewers who believe they're hearing authentic papal teaching. As this technology rapidly advances, the challenge of discerning truth becomes increasingly difficult, potentially undermining the decentralized media landscape the internet initially fostered.
For many ordinary Catholics, especially those who felt alienated during Francis' papacy, there's a natural desire to love and support their new pope. As one priest confided, "the last 12 years were pretty traumatic for all of us," revealing how even parish clergy struggled with conflicting messages from Rome. This explains the quick pivot from initial alarm to cautious optimism among traditionalists - not because of external pressure, but from a genuine Catholic instinct to give their new Holy Father a chance.
How will you navigate this complex media landscape as Pope Leo's papacy unfolds? Join us as we continue to provide thoughtful analysis beyond the polarized narratives dominating Catholic discourse.
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Speaker 4:So the mouth everything. Oh, welcome to Babylon, the big town. Everybody Forgot about that. Oh my God, dude, that bit was fun, man, I needed a good laugh.
Speaker 1:That was good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this papacy is bananas already. Why are you so zoomed in? Your head looks gigantic compared to mine?
Speaker 1:Well, because with the new camera setup, when I zoom out I feel like I'm too far zoomed out. Hold on, I'll show you you muted yourself.
Speaker 4:No, that's because I was telling you I zoom out. I feel like I'm too too far zoomed out. Hold on, I'll show you. You muted yourself. No, that's because I was telling you to zoom out. That looks, that looks better, way better. Okay, fine, fine, I think. So, I think it looks way better.
Speaker 4:The weird influence the thing is somebody. Somebody pointed out the go. Gotta be honest, I'll be not gonna get better than that last episode. Dr taffy is marshall. We shouldn't be people. Is that a black taylor? This is crazy. Um, um, all right, let's see. What did Bobby just say?
Speaker 1:My brother, asked me whether I would rather look like Jar Jar Binks or talk like Jar Jar Binks for the rest of my life. I told him I'd rather talk like Jar Jar, and I can just move to Hawaii and be a pigeon preacher.
Speaker 4:That's everybody's pointing that out. I never. I know I don't remember Jar Jar Binks. I did watch that when it came out. I remember everybody flipping out because they hated that character so much, but I don't remember it like well enough. Like I thought he said like misa, like misa too. You know it talks like that.
Speaker 1:But misa, just a construction worker yeah, this is just misa, just a high school dropout that I that I remember.
Speaker 4:Um, dude, it's this. This papacy is bizarre to me. Like I'm not knocking it one way or the other, but it just seems weird to watch both sides highlight certain things pope leo says and claim them for himself. It's a strange thing.
Speaker 1:One side is going to give up eventually.
Speaker 4:It is. It is really, really weird. So the the reason I wanted to talk about this topic, even though, is because my mother sent me a clip of hope Leo speaking about the end times, and it's from this channel. Pope Leo, what is it, leo?
Speaker 1:something. Um, let me guess you only knew it was fake when he brought up laditty james no, that was.
Speaker 4:That was totally different. This was I think it's pope leo sermons. Yeah, that's what? That's what you sent me pope leo sermons, um, and when you go into the videos, I hope that. I hope the channel gets taken down, because it's like pope's wake up, urgent call to all true christians, warning jesus is coming soon. Like it's crazy stuff and if you go, it's got 275 000 views on it and I mean, it sounds like it was just written by christine watkins that's.
Speaker 4:That's basically what it sounds like, and all the comments are I'm not christian, I'm not catholic, but I'm christian, and this message spoke volumes to me. I've not heard a pope speak like this and try to wake people up the way that this one is. Thank you, pope leo, for the message that I needed today. It's just clearly AI. It's like not even.
Speaker 1:Lee off behind the off.
Speaker 4:And then you have like, even as far as today I watched you want to bring up modern tweet.
Speaker 1:He's worse than Lofton.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah for sure. But Lofton too. We'll talk about him too, because even he pointed out it's like Pope Leo mentioned something about feeling the spirit of Pope Francis from heaven and Lofton, right away, is like do you think Pope Leo is going to canonize Pope Francis? It's like man, can we just have like five minutes Like man? Can we just have like five minutes? Can we have five minutes where we get to enjoy like the new Pope for a little bit? So read the Catholic Arena tweet first. So Cardinal Arena has been appointed as head of the John Paul II Institute for Marriage and the Family. Pope Leo has decided to remove Archbishop Paglia, who had pursued a more controversial and liberal course. So I'm watching both sides of this right. So modern Boethius says this is great news for fans of Pope Francis. It means Pope Leo is picking pro-Pope Francis candidates for his curia.
Speaker 1:Cardinal Raina famously called Pope Francis a great prophet and lambasted the criticism against him, pope francis, a great francis, a great prophet, and lambasted the criticism against, regardless of what what reina may have called francis. How can you say he's picking pro francis candidates when he literally sacked the person francis chose?
Speaker 4:well, the person francis chose is now 80 years old, and what it looks like leo did was just go back to putting so. John paul ii had instituted this position as whoever's like the vicar general of rome or something is supposed to get it, and that's what cardinal reina is. He just happens to hold that position. So I don't even think this pick was ideological in any way. I don't think it was in any way. I think it's just pagley is 80. He stepped down and he put the guy who is supposed to officially be in that position in the position. But you watch, modern boethius thinks it's a win for pope francis. And then you go to damian thompson's tweet okay, give me a second yeah, we do have to talk about the triad recovery, cancellation too.
Speaker 4:So then you. Then you look at damian thompson's tweet and it's a major setback for the pro-choice lobby. It's like the same exact person was appointed, but the one side's claiming him and the other side's claiming him and I I I called this the cafeteria papacy, because everybody seems to just he'll give um, like an address to people and he'll say something a little bit positive about francis and some people will jump on that and highlight that, and then he'll say something that sounds, uh, like a nod towards tradition and the traditionalist will highlight that and everybody it's it's. It's just weird to me, like I don't know either way, because he hasn't really said anything of substance yet, so I'm kind of just sitting back and watching the commentary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been 10 days yeah. You know, but so you know, before the, before the conclave, remember, we covered that article from the leftist decrying how the conservatives were calling for unity, Right yeah, and the one thing we seem to know about robert prevost prior to being leo is that he was a peacemaker, and I mean it seems to be that that's one reason why he was was seemingly chosen by some of the conservative, you know, candidates was to be that sort of unifying peacemaker. So I I don't think we're getting anything surprising.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's playing it very safe so far right, but there's also a level of like he's going to try to make a hermeneutic of continuity of the council and fit Francis into it right. So the trads were all hoping they were going to get like a swift condemnation of all the things francis said, that's not going to happen, would you?
Speaker 4:I don't even know if you would have forgotten that under burke or sarah yeah, I don't know either maybe, but I don't know yeah you, you would have gotten immediately, I think, uh, the, uh, I think the biggies from guys like that for sure. So I think what Leo is going to try and do is synthesize it all in a way that makes sense. But I haven't seen any actual olive branches to the trads yet. I've seen some nice uh gestures liturgically.
Speaker 1:I've seen a more return, like a return to more um, like do you think when he brought up you know peter being the shepherd but not, uh, an autocrat? Do you think that was a shot at francis?
Speaker 4:uh, so I? That's the other thing like. So I saw some people from that very address point out he talked about francis and synodality. So, like the, the guys on that side were pointing that out. And then the guys on our side were like he's, he's giving a rebuke to francis, dealing as an autocrat, now I don't know. And then I saw thursday pointed out this is probably a knock towards trump. Like I don't. I don't know is the point. I saw Thursday pointed out this is probably a knock towards Trump. Like I don't know is the point.
Speaker 1:It could be that too, could be all three, who knows?
Speaker 4:I just don't know, man. It just seems kind of weird to me. You know, it's like it's going to be interesting to watch this unfold because I want to see how he tries. Going to be, uh, interesting to watch this unfold because I want to see how he tries, because, like, like we we've said before like, uh, synodality in and of itself is not inherently bad.
Speaker 1:Like he could continue with synodality and just pull some really based if it's a, if it's like a, if he actually does it in the the traditional sense, where it's hierarchical and it's meant to be done by bishops in a local region. That sense of synods would be fine. Especially, he said today one of his priorities is reunification with the East. So holding synods in that sense with with eastern bishops and western bishops who knows, I don't know, I, I doubt it, right, I, it probably is going to be more of the same, but I don't know, I think, I think it's.
Speaker 4:I think it's one of those things where, uh, this will continue until until, like, something clarifies, like you're gonna get a clarifying moment, if nothing else he takes great pictures.
Speaker 4:He's far more photogenic than francis far more photogenic and he's far more uh. He's like there is a dignity brought back to the sea of of rome, right, there's like. There's like there's a dignity brought back there. He's not like you. If you remember the first uh couple of the first two weeks of the francis punter like the first day it was can you believe he went and paid his own hotel bill. He's just like jesus, like all that stuff was just so crazy and we haven't seen any. We haven't seen any like revolutionary moves either. He's just. He seems to be paying lip service to both sides right now and trying to maintain peace, but I I don't know how that stays and I'm just, I'm interested, I mean, how this unfolds I think we're gonna.
Speaker 1:I don't know I you know I wasn't a trap. I was. I was a kid back during jp2, yeah. So I don't know what you know the, the trad movement was, was like back then. Um, I don't know what it was like, even under benedict. But so say, we get someone a lot like jp2 which seems to be probably the case, right, um, something along those lines like that's a heck of a heck, a lot better than francis. So we should still call out, say, errors like assisi and you know the errors that jp2 had. We need to be ready for those.
Speaker 4:But, man, I would take something like that over the last 12 years yeah, so look, he's already doing the ecumenism thing right, and I think ecumenism is the biggest problems of the council.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it's like the biggest problem of the council because it distorts the it, it, it. It kind of makes no sense to say extra Ecclesiam, nullus Salus, and the ecumenism, like, unless you're trying to bring those groups into union with Rome properly. This, this whole stance towards other faiths, trying to bring those groups into union with Rome properly, this, this whole stance towards other faiths. I don't know how that works and I don't know how you have even unity with the East. The one thing I got from the Ubi Petra's voice of reason debate is Holy Cow, our debate's boring. I'm not even. I know I couldn't get through five minutes of it and and I'm watching people like the orthodox like how could you still be catholic after this debate? And I'm watching catholic, how could you still be orthodox after this debate? And I'm saying how the hell can you even be awake after this debate? It was the most boring and they went on for four hours. I don't even know how they did it.
Speaker 1:I try watching great little little short clip.
Speaker 4:I don't know how anybody could sit through it. Man, it's just I don't know. It seems ridiculous to me, but I swear I told myself it was so boring I had to turn. It was just so boring, like I just I tried. I don't. I wanted to see if there's any good arguments against the orthodox or that is just a snooze fest. Uh, timu rocky is definitely not a charismatic as the original. Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't even know what got me on that. Oh so, like the ecumenism thing with the east, yeah, I don't know how that works because the east doesn't unify with the east and stuff. Like you might get a bishop or two that wants to come in to union with Rome or a patriarch or something.
Speaker 4:I think the lady will lose their minds if they did that. Like there was. I think Bobby was telling me that there was a point in time where, like there was an Eastern patriarch who wanted to come back into communion with Rome and the lady went crazy. It was Florence. Yeah, communion with Rome and the laity went crazy.
Speaker 1:It was Florence. So Florence is held to try to quickly get Western support over to Constantinople. So Florence is held. The East does come back into communion. They accepted basically everything, but the laity had an uproar, especially in Constantinople, and we ended up not getting forces to Constantinople in time. So Constantinople falls, but yeah, so after Florence there was reunification and the Greeks just would not have it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I think I would. I would really like to see the pope focus on the diocese of rome and to fix up the curia and worry about the how, the problems in-house, before going on this quest. You know what I mean. Like this, this quest to for the. The one good thing is he hasn't said like. He said like universal fraternity, but he doesn't mean human fraternity the way francis did. I don't think.
Speaker 1:I hope not I really hope not. Um, if he's talking about just christian brotherhood, you know, unified of course under actual, like good doctrine, then that's fine and there is a level of like living amongst one another, who have differing views in the current world.
Speaker 4:I can understand like you have to live in peace with your, you know, with your neighbor, whether they are catholic or not. Like you know, we're not in the times of, uh, you know, queen, queen anne, or whatever.
Speaker 4:Queen mary, queen mary where she's like queen elizabeth after queen mary mary and yeah, whatever, I'm just trying to spit bowl after four hours of sleep last night, but, um, we're not living in those times where we want, you know, beheadings and things like that. So I understand there is a need to live peacefully with your neighbor, whether you guys are the same faith or not. But I just want to see the Pope kind of focus on his Catholic children and just kind of take stock of us and focus on us. You know, it would just be not I got it Like you're saying it's going to be a John Paul the third.
Speaker 4:It would just be. Not I got it Like you're saying it's. It's going to be a John Paul III. I don't want another Pope that's gallivanting around the world, I agree, while while everything collapses inside the church because you know he's off evangelizing Like it is a great thing, but it would be, it would be much healthier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If he just stayed in Rome While he was busy traveling the world and fighting communism, you know things busy, traveling the world and fighting communism.
Speaker 4:You know things were building up to 2002. Yeah, yeah, that's. I mean, it's that's really what was happening. So he's off traveling the world and things under his watch got horrific. The seminaries were going insane. They were showing horrific things to the seminarians there. There was children abused. It was just like mayhem inside the church and he's just off trying to bring. And we had this whole generation of JP2 Catholics that came into the church because they saw the face of the Pope and he was a force for good, but the church itself was crumbling while he was doing all that.
Speaker 1:Darien Hall. What is going on?
Speaker 4:What's that?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Now I gotta look and see if there's a kandarian hall. Um yeah, there is a kandarian hall wow, wow guys what is that? What do you mean this? I mean this oh my god you know, it's someone switching back and forth between a oh my god, this is like me having fights myself on twitter.
Speaker 4:It's amazing, oh, wow. So, um, so, um, this show is amazing, um, so, yeah, I, I just, I don't know man, I'm, I'm kind of well. First of all, my, my priest gave a phenomenal homily this Sunday and I'm like sitting next to my wife and kids and I'm like, pay attention, pay attention. He's sitting next to my wife and kids and I'm like pay attention, pay attention he's. He gave this homily about peter and how satan is seeking to sift him like wheat, and how this pope needs our prayers more than you can imagine and it was just, it made you so excited to be catholic. He's like he had, uh, in the body, joe, joe was there, joe was there, um, he just made it, he made you so excited joe was there at the yeah joe's at a diocesan latin mass, sunday I thought you said it was a nova zordo.
Speaker 4:No, it wasn't a nova zordo, it was a diocesan latin mass. No, I went to. I, okay, went to confession in the morning at a nova zordo. Oh, okay, okay, okay, also, I still go to.
Speaker 4:No, I went to, I, okay, I went to confession in the morning at a nova sordo oh, okay, okay, okay also I still go to like I went to confession on my local parish, um, and had a conversation with the priest in the confessional and was just kind of talking to him about, like, my initial reaction and you know, um, just some of the things I've said to people in private before you know anything is like I I felt felt guilty about giving people who don't pay attention to this stuff a bad impression of the pope before he had even taken office right and this was a novus ordo priest and he, he was like I'm going to be honest with you, the last 12 years were pretty traumatic for all of us and I think that your initial instincts were not justified, but understandable, and he was very understanding about it.
Speaker 4:It was a pretty interesting conversation with this priest. It was. It was a pretty interesting, uh conversation with this priest and, uh, he, he told me not to be too harsh on myself because of a sort of priest. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4:Uh, it was just. It was really enlightening, just because we don't think about how hard your typical parish priest has it. Like our your typical parish priest on under francis was struggling, man, it was. It was pretty difficult. You know, these guys are trying to preach the faith and they were getting conflicting messages from rome.
Speaker 4:And my co-host just disappeared and, um, yeah, so the the priest was pretty understanding of it and, uh, it was just an interesting conversation. But then I went to um, to mass on sunday and the priest was just talking about how, like the whole world looks to rome yeah, whether whether they understand why or not, like it's just like all eyes are on rome during this conclave and the rituals we do in the white smoke coming up, that all eyes are just trained on Rome. And it's this, this subtle thing that the world understands. How goes Rome, goes the world, you know, and even the Orthodox and the Protestants, all of them understand it is very important who becomes the Bishop of Rome, because if the church crumbles on some of these important moral issues, it gives like the culture doesn't care what your Protestant sect teaches on rainbow issues at all.
Speaker 1:They don't care that the Anglican church ordains women to the bishops care that the anglican church ordains women to the bishops. It makes no news when pastor bob at the fourth baptist church, you know, says something crazy.
Speaker 4:It just doesn't matter to them.
Speaker 4:Um yeah, no, joe, joe, joe, uh, joe, that's why I was confused I've never seen joe at an over sort of, but I but he does. He does go to the diocese latin mass, um, mainly because the sspx is too early and he's a lazy. He's a lazy bum and our, our diocese advance is at 12 30, so it's like he would probably go to the society, but he's like I just wanted to sleep in. Fair enough, it is nice having a 12 30 latin mass, that's, and that's that's the closer one too. So it's all it's every other week. So I get to. It's only 25 minutes from my house, which is amazing. So compared to the hour I drive to go to the other one and that's at 11, so I gotta leave at 10 30 to get there at 11 30.
Speaker 1:I don't get home to like three in the afternoon if I go to the other one yeah, see, see, for us, our last mass is at one, which sucks when it's two hours away, because you're leaving home at 1030. And if you do nothing else, you know you're getting back at 435.
Speaker 4:It's. It's, yeah, like that two and a half hour, two and a half hours of commute for Mass on Sunday is doable, like we do it, but it's, you know, it puts a wrench in your Sunday. You're not going to be able to do much else with the family other than Mass that day. Yeah, so it is nice when it's the closer one, and this priest is. I want to get him on the show, just because every homily is a history lesson and an ecclesial lesson mixed in one.
Speaker 1:It will be interesting to see if we start to see more just usual diocesan priests willing to go on podcasts now. Yeah, I don't think they necessarily should.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but.
Speaker 1:I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 4:I think they shouldn't. I think the bishops and I think the bishops need to start talking with us, because I do think there's an unhealthy separation between trads and the hierarchy that needs to be addressed. But, like I said, we still don't know where this papacy is going to go. Like we just don't, and everybody jumping on everything. My goodness, trentarius changed my youtube date for this and now I have to wait 14 days to change it back lord of the rings?
Speaker 1:I do not. That would be the second closest parish, but that would be a four hour one way drive instead of two hours. We're north of Duluth, so we go to St Benedict's in Duluth. Yes.
Speaker 4:Um, I love it. I love that you. You got to go into Trent's.
Speaker 1:I hope it's like Kennedy or someone Trentarius horn broadcasting is Kennedy hall.
Speaker 4:So should we do? Should we do the vanity fair article? I mean, we should probably address the vanity fair article. It is, it is my first quote in a mainstream publication.
Speaker 1:I got a call from my mom. I read it. Read about anthony and vanity fair. I'm so glad it wasn't your name in there.
Speaker 4:I'm like, yeah mom, me too they picked some quote, boy I'll tell you like, of all the things I said, that show, that's the one they pulled out did you send the article in the yeah, it's in there, it's above um, should protestants root for the new pope?
Speaker 4:because we're going to get into that too. Um, I I saw a protestant podcast discussing should protestants root for the new pope and I thought it was an interesting segment that we can talk, we could talk about. Does my mom know yet? Yes, my mom, my mom, wasn't crazy about the uh language in it, but uh, she was more concerned with, like, was it good coverage or bad coverage? Like she's like, are they trashing you? I'm like no, I don't think so. Like it seemed like a pretty balanced article. They were, you know, but they didn't just quote me, they even mentioned our show title you got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just took forever because you send me everything in the world well, there's a lot to talk about and it's just me and you.
Speaker 4:We don't have nick to. Oh, we got a nick update. Well, we do have a nick update. I'm just kidding guys. Uh, at least they didn't call me a bottle, because they did the last time they it was national national catholic reporter mentioned me in an article and they they spelled my last name wrong and then, when I pointed it out, they go. We will get right on correcting that, sir. We apologize and they did they fixed it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they did make me look a bit uncouth. So, um, the catholic right is deeply divided over pope leo and what his papacy will do after an initial maga freak out. A number of francis antagonists appear open to his successor, though, as leo performed performs his inaugural mass this sunday with jd vance on hand. Uh, some church watchers warn that conservative tolerance is unlikely to last. Now, I'm not sure it's the conservative tolerance that'll unlikely to last, or if it's the other side still, we're still just kind of in a wait and see mode. When Pope Francis died the morning after Easter, prominent right-wing Catholics leapt at the chance to lobby for a more conservative, even Trumpian leader of the church, far-right pundit, jack Posobiec, broadcast the call for traditionalist Catholics to hop a flight to Rome right now, go into St Peter's Square and start taking up space.
Speaker 1:No one in the Catholic world cares what Jack Posobiec thinks.
Speaker 4:Yeah he is a right-wing commentator, if anything.
Speaker 1:I don't see him as a catholic comment, no, he's an american conservative conservative and quotes.
Speaker 4:Um well, I do find it interesting that he will call out things about the papacy but never, ever would he touch trump, you know, and it's like at least have some consistency. I mean, there's, there's things in like. One of the things I'm hoping to get from this papacy is maybe like some corrections in trumpism, because there are errors. There are some errors that need to be corrected. Um so, boomers would.
Speaker 1:That would cause a boomer schism. You know, like what? Uh, what's his name was talking about?
Speaker 4:who's? Steve bannon? No, larry chapp, oh larry, yeah. Um, now is the time for a traditional ascendance, because we are, we are in a traditional awakening here in the western church. Steve bannon, who had castigated francis for years, similarly, similarly, vowed to organize an online show of force. Get rid of that. An online show of force for traditionalists. Ahead of the conclave. They go into the conclave and there's nothing your online show of force is going to do for that. In Rome, catholic right journalists distributed a report to cardinals profiling leading people, candidates from Palpably.
Speaker 1:Palpably.
Speaker 4:I thought it was going for papabile, but no yeah, palpably conservative perspective, while US Catholic right philanthropist courted church leaders at upscale gatherings with one VIP saying their network could raise a billion to help the church, so long as we have the right Pope. That's kind of blackmail. It really is, isn't it right pope? That's kind of blackmail, it really is isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's kind of blackmail, like could you not raise a few billion to build some nice like churches for traditional orders on?
Speaker 4:I do understand the sentiment, right like if you had a conservative pope in there, people, the money would flow in from conservatives.
Speaker 4:So but on may 8th, when the new, when the new Pope, when the new Pope, the conclave of chosen Pope Leo the 14th formerly Chicago, born Robert Prevost uh, and the original and the first us born in two millennia of church history appeared on the Vatican balcony, instead, the Catholic rights fervor shifted to despair and alarm.
Speaker 4:I can't believe the Cardinals did this at popular traditionalist podcast a Taylor. I can't believe the Cardinals did this, said popular traditionalist podcaster Taylor Marshall, author of the 2019 book, arguing that the election of the late Pope Francis was part of a century-old plot to undermine the church. As more than 100,000 viewers tuned into his live stream, leo was definitely could be a long one. Marshall's audience chimed in with their own lamentations that the Vatican had bucked conventional wisdom in picking an American pope so he could go head to head with Donald Trump or fight to restore funding for Catholic relief work. The Trump administration had cut out that the Pope Trump stunt Trump, declaring himself his own first pick for pontiff, subsequently posting an ai generated image of himself in full people regalia like that.
Speaker 1:That, I think, is all. The cardinals didn't care one bit about that.
Speaker 4:I promise you that, like no, but I do think you could scroll down like let's get down, to let me say this is a long, it's a very long article, so let's go.
Speaker 4:Yeah, let's go, let's go way down um I do think that, um, I think you saw what, yeah, where the michael matt thing starts. So, um, I do think that this guy, this guy, but I do think pope leo was selected because of trump in part, like I do think they wanted, and I and I do think that it has a lot to do with the, the media in America, because it's such a powerful force, the media apparatus of America. It runs the English-speaking media, realm right voices, counsel patients. Michael matt, editor of the remnant, urged followers to consider how a centrist pope might keep the traditionalist catholic movement united, avoiding the factionalization that could follow the election of a more conservative pope. Other commentators in and out of the church proclaim leo's election an intentional rebuke of the mega movement.
Speaker 4:Far-right social media personality mike cernovich are right leo uh s lib trump ally laura loomer went with woke marxist pope. Anyone's uh s lib, it's mike cernovich, and so is laura loomer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, come on laura loomer talking about marxist pope. You're literally at never mind, never mind, yeah and his live stream from rome.
Speaker 4:Shortly after leo was announced, pasovic said the choice of an american pope is clearly a reaction to President Trump. Marshall suggested Leo's election was an intentional effort to force US trads into a choice. We, as Catholics, are going to be pitted against an American pope and the American president, and I feel the liberals, the bishops, the priests are going to be pushing us. Which one are you for? Do you support your president or do you support your pope? Bannon reportedly declared Leo's the worst pick for MAGA Catholics and an anti-Trump pope selected by globalists that run the Curia, subsequently telling a Financial Times audience to laughter that the conclave was more rigged in the 2020 election and would soon cause a schism. And then, almost overnight, the narrative seemed to change.
Speaker 4:On Friday, marshall's video responding on Leo's election was no longer public on YouTube. In an earlier video, marshall had also declared Prevost potentially the worst case scenario. He posted a new recording that began with the words I submit myself to his holiness Pope Leo XIV After prayer. He said his initial shock had given way to a sense of encouragement, and he reminded listeners of historical cases where popes elected as liberal reformers had unexpectedly become staunch conservatives, noting that leo's papacy might last 20 years. He said leo needs to know that traditional catholics are praying for him, that we wish him the best. Um, okay, I think we still got a ways to go. We this is a.
Speaker 1:This article was too long.
Speaker 4:Oh, this is where they mention our name, though. No, no, go back up no, it's not yeah, yeah, other catholic right podcasts issued where they mentioned our title yeah, and retractions for their initial response to the news declaring a ceasefire and traditionalist decade-long war against the hierarchy of the church, with one titling, an episode softeningening Our Trad Hearts to Leo XIV. That was our show.
Speaker 1:That was my title.
Speaker 4:I think I originally titled it Trad Softening their Hearts to Leo or something, and Rob switched it up Shortly after Leo's papacy was announced.
Speaker 4:two of the most conservative cardinals, Raymond Burke and Seurat let's go down, because this really isn't really, really really we'll just go until I see an interesting name like father nicks father nicks and other of trad favorite clerics wrote in a blog on sunday that what he saw coming down the pike in rome is more promotion of the heresy of religious indifferentism. He's not necessarily wrong. The heresy of religious indifferentism? He's not necessarily wrong. The heresy all religions will get you to heaven, usually put onto the pretext of the hijacked word ecumenism. But this time with a little more Latin, a little more incense and a little more meekness than before. I don't care how nice this Pope is, I don't care how much gold he has on, or, or his or his ring or any of that stuff, said another trad podcaster, timothy Gordon. I want the Latin mass, but I don't want the Latin mass traded for homo stuff. I don't want the Latin mass for Amoris Laetitia being here to stay referencing Francis' apostolic exhortation for divorce and remarried Catholics to receive communion. He's going to trick a bunch of trads, gordon continued. And then, truly, guys like you and I are going to be vox clemontis in deserto, voices in the wilderness.
Speaker 4:But exactly that thought seemed to be in mind for some of those calling for uh. So that was michael matt. Uh as michael matt, or whatever, or as or as anthony abadi, host of the podcast avoiding, babylon put it. I also don't want him to come out. I also don't want to come out bashing him and ruin gestures he's giving by giving him the middle finger. And then he says okay, well, you know what? Maybe Francis was right to punish you a-holes. I don't remember saying that on air. And then it goes right into Mike Lewis and he says I actually agree with Mike here. I can't see this last thing.
Speaker 4:Co-founder for Catholic Outlaw where Peter is, care, I can't see this last thing. Co-founder for catholic outlet where peter is, which spent many years of francis's papacy tracking the catholic rights attacks on the pope. For one thing, over the last 12 years, the reactionary opposition to pope francis had reached a boiling point and it would be so hard to simply turn off the heat. We've seen we don't need. Yeah, so I, I, I am curious to see how this plays out.
Speaker 4:Man, I, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not really taking a side in any of it, I'm just watching it play out. But I am seeing like a lot of people say calling, calling trads, like semi trads, and they're like who got? Who got the? Uh, who who sent out the message to trad ink? Like that they need to stand down. But I don't think that's. I don't think that's any of what's going on like. What's going on is the catholic instinct is to love the pope and people want to love the pope, and as long as there are signals coming that it's going to be better than the last 12 years, we don't want to be seen as opposition to the Pope.
Speaker 1:So I think, especially when nothing has been said or done yet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like you give the guy a little bit of a respite and a little bit of a period to settle in and we figure out what he's going to do. Um, I don't remember saying that famous last words Okay, yeah, oh, hold on.
Speaker 1:To be fair, this isn't really how it's famous last words Okay, yeah, oh, hold on. To be fair, this isn't really how it's supposed to work. It's supposed to work the opposite way you love and pray for him and you do trust him until he proves otherwise. That's the way it's supposed to work with the hierarchy and even um.
Speaker 4:Like this is like okay, so this is like our 15th show about the Pope and like Rob text me early is like dude, we're done with the Pope stuff.
Speaker 1:Please, can we do something else?
Speaker 4:This is probably going to be the last one. It's just, oh, you know, unless some major thing happens, but like it's getting, it's getting old and it's you know, we just got to kind of see what happens. Yes, my poor mother, indeed that woman. So, you know, it's just still in wait and see mode.
Speaker 1:He doesn't trust. This is going to be the last.
Speaker 4:Well, the thing I really did want to get into is the title is this is going to be an interesting uh thing to, to, to to watch in the age of ai and in fifth generational warfare, because you're going to start seeing people use ai to make you think the pope said something. And it's getting so freaking good that opening video, as silly as that was, it's because it was silly that we all knew it was ai but like the mouth moved perfectly in that video, it looked legit. So it's not just the voiceovers that you're getting, because usually you can tell by the inflection on those voiceovers where it sounds kind of monotone, but they're getting really good. And if it's like that now, what do you think it's going to be like in a year from now?
Speaker 1:because if you look at the difference in 2024 and 2025, it's a major difference I don't know, it's, I don't know which which is why we really do need the church to to come out and say something about ai right well, that's definitely that.
Speaker 4:But also there's going to have to be. I see this as moving towards digital id. Somehow it's like if you, if you, if, because ai is going to get so good, you're going to need to prove it's actually you saying the thing, so you're going to need a way to prove that to people, so you're going to need some kind of a digital identification makes you wonder if the proliferation of ai isn't almost intended for that it's.
Speaker 4:It just seems like that it's. Things are going to get so chaotic going forward. I don't see a way around it. It's like you're going to see things that you're going to go. Is this real? Is this not real? So you're going to wait, like if it's from the pope, you're going to wait for, like if it's from the Pope, you're going to wait for the Vatican to put out a statement, but people are going to be able to put out fake Vatican statements.
Speaker 1:It almost seems like it's intended to undo the loosening of controls on the media that the Internet has created, right like the whole. The whole media revolution we've seen with with podcasts and an independent journalist and things like that, I think could completely unravel when suddenly you have to go to a verified source to to get something you can believe isn't ai there's enough audio of you and I out there that somebody could just upload no, don't give them idea, don't give taffy ideas somebody could just upload files of our voices and make us say whatever the hell they want maybe you didn't say what they said.
Speaker 1:You said yeah, maybe that was a I, it is um.
Speaker 4:I don't know, man, it's getting a little bit scary the way things are going so quickly. Did you see um? Did you see the? Uh? Did you see the scott um? What's his name?
Speaker 1:scott adams video today oh yeah, he's dying of cancer and he's going to end his life wait, is he?
Speaker 4:I didn't hear that. Yeah, dude, he's. He's in california and he's gonna end his life this summer. He says scary stuff, man, scary stuff, scott adams. Um, scott adams did the um the. What cartoon was in the news? Dilbert? He's the guy who did the. What cartoon was it Dilbert? He's the guy who did the Dilbert cartoons.
Speaker 1:And then he said the N-word once online.
Speaker 4:He became like a political commentator, you know, and he just started speaking his mind about stuff. And then today he released a video saying so we got the Biden news today. Right, the Biden has cancer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think you maybe.
Speaker 4:I think maybe you got it wrong I think he said he lives in california and he's considering going out his own way, and I think he was a little cryptic about it. But I'm pretty sure he talked about ending life on his own terms and he's in california where they allow that. So, um, I'm I'm pretty sure you guys are wrong. Everybody's saying I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure what he was saying is maybe I saw a fake AI at it.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm curious to what Adrian means when he says the chance to do the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 4:So he announced this today because the Biden cancer stuff came out today and I think he figured that would kind of get buried under that. Because, dude, it is a strange thing to be in this space where you're, where you have a show and people know you and they grow to love you and then you're gonna die in front of them. It's not, it's not like working for nbc or cbs or something, where you just disappear from the camera like they just replace you suddenly, yeah like people are gonna watch your progression into illness and speaking of when anthony's gone next week, we do have replacements for him everyone.
Speaker 4:I'm very easily replaceable, apparently. Um the the. The difference in shows like this is you guys see a part of our personalities that makes you actually feel like you're hanging out with your friends. It's not like watching a broadcast on the news. Like you guys are interacting with us, we're highlighting your comments, we're having a conversation, and so if something happens to one of us, it's you feel like you're losing a friend, like I mean I.
Speaker 4:It's weird because I think I bumped into it's like um well, you, you go well, I like I bumped into somebody, a radio personality that I listened to as as a kid. I bumped into them one time in atlantic city and like I went off and like, hey man, what's going on? Like he knew me and he's like what's, what's up? I'm like, oh shit, you don't know me, I know you, and it's like it's a weird thing that happens.
Speaker 4:Well, I I had somebody do that to me after mass one day. They were like it's so weird because, like I know you, but you don't know me. You know it's. It's an interesting phenomena where you're listening to somebody and you you feel like you're just hanging out with your friends, but we don't know, especially because all of you have fake names and pfps and stuff, like they have the guys we met in north carolina. They had to tell me their twitter handle, like oh okay, now I know who you are. You know because most of us don't put our actual pictures up there and not our real names. No, it wasn't mike princess.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like everyone, um, what's his name from? Uh, uh, the, the outdoor boys channel is uh, retiring, not retiring, but just stopping youtube, you know, and like, oh, I saw that clip today too, right, and, and I mean that guy's not, they're not dying, but everyone feels like they're losing someone you know, someone, they know yeah, that guy video.
Speaker 4:He came out today and he's like okay. So our channel now has like 12 million subscribers.
Speaker 1:Which they've gained in 18 months?
Speaker 4:Yeah, and it's getting to the point where we can't go to the store and you have to think about the well-being of your family at this point. And do you want fame? Because it's one thing to have like a niche, little small audience like we do, where it's like oh, if I go to latin mass, somebody will recognize me, yeah I mean, that's like it's like, oh, if I go to a latin mass like somebody there might recognize me.
Speaker 4:that's a very different thing than you go into town if you live in a small town and every single person in town town wants a picture with you and stuff like that. It's a totally different world. That's like real fame for a person like that to go get thrown into that kind of spotlight, like Rob hates it when anybody comes up to him after mass.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's just because I'm introverted and phlegmatic. If anyone sees me, I'm not going like hate you.
Speaker 4:if you come up to me, I don't, it's okay, you can do that I'm telling everyone if you see rob, you go up and give him a big hug. He loves hugs. Go up, give him a big bear hug. He loves it. Don't let him fool you, don't let him tell you he's an introvert yeah, they, they know everything about me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm known as the guy who completes the uh, the atf form super quickly yeah, well, this is not untrue, though.
Speaker 4:What do you think you're like? They think the persona is who you are in real life. I mean, for an actor, obviously not but for us it really is yeah, I'm not. I'm not pretending to be somebody of that. It's like if you meet me, I'm going to be exactly like this. Like Bobby said when he was planning the trip to go to Italy, he was like I could probably hang out with that guy.
Speaker 1:Anyway they're coming around, they're just becoming friends.
Speaker 4:Anthony is exactly the same person.
Speaker 1:As I try to warn Joe McClainan, who might see you next weekend, right so okay.
Speaker 4:So, uh, thursday morning I'll be on anthony stein's live show and then I'll be on joe mclean's show with michael hitchborn hosting, because joe mclean's in greece. Joe mclean will be in mykonos the day I get there, but I think I'm gonna get there too late. But I'm trying to see if I can hop the ferry to Patmos and see Joe McLean, bishop Strickland and their whole pilgrimage.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's going to work out All the Africans hop ferries to Europe Right, right.
Speaker 4:My people just blend in with all the immigrants.
Speaker 1:As I try to warn him, you actually tone it down a little for the show You're you're more yourself in person.
Speaker 4:So, um, jacob said maybe I am is quoting him, but I thought I heard him saying I'm maybe. Maybe I misheard it, maybe I did, but it seemed like he was implying like I'm gonna go out on my terms and um first italy, then greece and then finally, uh, ants homeland in tunis, tunisia um, so this is probably the same video.
Speaker 4:My mom sent me a video pope leo the 14th praising the ex-first lady of brazil. I told her it was fake. No, it isn't. Who would fake something like that? This is. This is what we're talking about. So especially the older generation is going to fall victim to this, because they don't understand how good technology is at this point from the hill article. He also indicated that, since he lives in california, he plans to take advantage of an of aid and dying drugs after he settles his affairs there.
Speaker 1:I knew I wasn't wrong if, if you're gonna do, why not like I don't wrong. If, if you're gonna do, why not like I don't know? It's all over twitter the euthanasia go over to africa and, you know, get a gun and try to take out some crazy local warlord or something so jason's got me watching this guy who was diagnosed with something terminal and he he bought a sailboat and he's like sailing across the fricking Atlantic.
Speaker 4:Oh, that guy is not the one Jason gave us, but there's another guy who was diagnosed with something terminal and he bought a sailboat and he's just sailing across the Pacific and he'd never sailed before and some of his videos are like Holy crap, this guy's going to die, Like he's going to die, Like he doesn't know how to sail and he's caught in these storms. He must have like a, a, a Starlink satellite that he's able to broadcast from where he's at. But it is wild to watch this guy go about it. But I he in one of his videos he was like like I was diagnosed with something terminal and I wanted to go experience something I never would have experienced otherwise. So he went and did this thing. So but jason brought up the point. He goes I don't know if we could do that as catholics right, like you'd have to get a dispensation, you said, for missing mass.
Speaker 1:Yeah I mean, even just that alone, right yeah? I mean, I guess you could, you definitely get a dispensation, though, I'm sure, and you have a lot of last right yeah, well, that's as long as you don't die out at sea right, it just seems uh imprudent, like sinfully.
Speaker 4:So you know what I mean yeah, yeah, it depends if you're single, also depends if you have a family. Depending on you, there's a lot of case insurance, not just ai.
Speaker 1:We should convince them, it's just ai um, yeah, so well, all right.
Speaker 4:So I think we should head over to locals and we'll well, you know what. Actually, let me just check something, because Mike Lewis actually wrote an article on no. He wrote an article on the AI thing, and I think we should at least check it. Faith in deep fakes. In the days following Pope Leo's election. The Internet.
Speaker 1:Send this one to me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's in there. It's inundated with AI-generated deepfakes, videos, images and messages purporting to depict the new pontiff. These media fabrications, some of which have been circulated on platforms like YouTube, tiktok, present the Pope delivering messages he never said, sometimes even in his own voice. For example, a video entitled Pope's Wake-Up Urgent Call. Example, a video entitled Pope's Wake Up Urgent Call this is the one my mom sent me. Pope's Wake Up Urgent Call to All True Christians posted on a channel called Pope Leo XIV Sermons delivers a fiery 42-minute exhortation about the end times in an AI-generated voice based on that of Pope Leo. A snippet says the sky is heavy with prophecy. The clock of heaven is ticking in its final seconds and I declare to you today 2025 is not just another year. It is a spiritual alarm sounding in the heavens for all who still have ears to hear. Look around you. Do you not see it? The world is unraveling at the scene. This is such boomer, like the clock of heaven.
Speaker 4:Like this is just what that is oh man, we forgot recusant yeah we are terrible, but we still have a lot of people we still. We still have plenty of people in the audience. So um, I finished my bottles of recusant and I realized I've realized that um basically all the money they give us I'm gonna go right to wine I just spend on their wines. It'd be crazy for them to ditch us because they're making it all back.
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Speaker 4:Yeah, why? What am I supposed to use? I have a special code. No, there's no special code, but you're, I get a bigger discount.
Speaker 1:No, it's just Never mind.
Speaker 4:But if I use our code, it looks like our audience is paying for it and then they want to keep us as the thing. So I wanted 10 off and I make it look like we're our fans are buying you're the worst. You're the worst, you're absolutely the worst why do you get a bigger discount than?
Speaker 1:me. No, I don't get a bigger discount than you.
Speaker 4:Yeah they're gonna love this I mean, they're literally a drug dealer, they're an alcohol salesman no, that's not literally a drug deal.
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Speaker 1:did you give yourself a headache from drinking all the wine?
Speaker 4:no, I haven't got. I haven't gotten a headache. Okay, so I went to italy, I went to carlo acutis's, I went to carlo acutis's tomb yeah, no, I prayed.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. He didn't, he didn't give me no healing, no, he did not heal me.
Speaker 4:Okay, and I cause I didn't get a healing. But I came home and Mary Teresa, who was on the trip with me, sent me a liter of Lord's Water About two weeks after I got home from Italy and I made the sign of the cross on my head on my temples.
Speaker 1:And I have not gotten a headache since I put that Lord's water on my head. I get called the Canadian, and yet you're the one using things like leaders.
Speaker 4:I don't know, it was just a leader. What do you? I don't know. That's what we call. Like one, a one liter of soda.
Speaker 1:What do I have to pull super troopers on you that's what you're taking from that story.
Speaker 4:I was healed by lord's water you're complaining about the metric system. Are you sick? It's wrong with you telling you like I had a miraculous event in my life. You're like who's in the metric system you savage like a liter of cola, it's called the court you gotta, so I so, listen, I I have to tell you guys about these headaches, though, because I've I've never gone more than three weeks without a headache. Like that's the longest stretch I've ever gone. Typically, I get two a week.
Speaker 4:At at the season change, I get them every day come every 28 days no, I get them every day during the season change, so like it's spring and fall, like they're seasonal, but I get them throughout the year. So she sent me the lord's water in january and I didn't get one like through the spring season and I was holding off on telling her because I didn't want to like get her hopes up for nothing. But I finally texted her like a week or two ago and I was like Mary Teresa, I just want you to know this is the longest stretch I've ever gone without getting a headache, to the point where, like I'm not, I'm going to Greece and I'm not even worried about oxygen. I'm not like'm going to greece and I'm not even worried about oxygen. I'm not like I haven't refilled my oxygen since italy. So I mean, I pray that it's permanent, but it was the lord's water, it wasn't carlo acutis, so it's not seasonal burnout they're. They're called seasonal cluster headaches. Um, yeah, I've known a few other people that get they?
Speaker 1:have you ever done the injections?
Speaker 4:no, that they say that's for like um, uh uh migraines, like the botox injections and stuff. I think that works from now the uh imitrix no that. My doctor tried giving me seizure medication that didn't work, like any medication no medications ever worked. But yeah, breathing straight oxygen is the only thing that relieves those headaches. So if I, if I, get a headache without oxygen, they last about an hour and they're crippling, debilitating. I can't even be around anybody. But if I have oxygen they last about 15 minutes and they're way less painful.
Speaker 1:But I have to breathe straight oxygen at like 20 liters per minute which, again with the, leave you ever, if there's ever a spark around you.
Speaker 4:While you're doing that, I was going straight up in flames I've so like I've had fires going out, it like I've had fire in the den and it like goes out completely and I go get my oxygen tank and I and I get that thing going right back up get my oxygen tank and I and I get that thing going right back up on my oxygen one that is incredibly stupid too.
Speaker 1:I would totally do it too.
Speaker 4:The tank is like seven, eight feet away and I just take the hose, but I've had the hose catch on fire and I'm like, oh no, I gotta shut the tank off right away. It's fun breaking news. Uh home in long island today exploded unexpectedly yeah, dude, I mean if if a tank ever exploded, it would. They don't let you bring them on planes because of that. So but, um, breathe oxygen doing it, I prefer nitrous. No, that wasn't what killed Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1:You sickos Didn't they get what Fire Because of oxygen.
Speaker 4:No, Michael.
Speaker 1:Jackson was on. What's that freaking drug? The one that if you even touch you die Fentanyl, fentanyl. No, that was Prince. That was Prince.
Speaker 4:Prince, how did Michael Jackson go? I don't know.
Speaker 1:But all I know is my wife's childhood doctor was the one prescribing prince, all of the fentanyl. Wow yeah, world. We hear the news. I'm like, oh yeah, locals, we'll go to locals.
Speaker 4:Molly's right, this is all locals talk. Let's go over to locals, all right. So if you guys are not locals members, that's uh, we're gonna get into this. This uh protestant uh story and uh protestant story. I I sent the video of um protestants uh talking about the pope, so we could do that or we could um, there's a few things we can discuss. We got other stuff. Nice, um, let's see what else we got.
Speaker 3:What else we got? Are we going over one of them?
Speaker 4:beers we got yeah, let's go over. All right, guys. If you're not locals members, please subscribe over there. We give you guys way more show over there. Please join us.
Speaker 1:We will see you on the other side cut it, cut it, cut it I wish there was a better way of doing this yeah, it should be like a quick, did I?
Speaker 4:I sent uh. Did you see in lake michigan that stonehenge like structure?
Speaker 1:found. I mean, I saw that you sent something to me about it, but we might have to save that for hitchborn. Yeah, that sounds fun.
Speaker 4:That's a hitchborn episode, I think um okay, I think we are on locals. Only let me yeah okay, wait, let me see what we got here. You see a catholic engineer. Her tweet got everybody riled up today.
Speaker 1:Brilliant tweet, brilliant tweet as soon as I saw the tweet, I'm like, oh no, we're going to discuss that. This is this is.
Speaker 4:It's a brilliant tweet because I've done it the other way around. Just annoy people like I'll call women apple biters or something, or like I've posed the question if, if a wife withholds the marital act from her husband and he, uh, and it's a long, prolonged period of time and he gives into temptation with something on his computer, will she be held to any accountability? Not that she's responsible for it, will she, like he's clearly responsible for his own actions, but will she hold any culpability for her end, or will her culpability merely be denying the marital act? And it's an interesting question. It was just like a hypothetical I posed, but boy did people lose their minds as their want to do?
Speaker 4:yes, people are want to lose their minds. So catholic engineer says au contraire, is not the sin of eve ultimately the sin of adam for failing to protect his wife from the serpent? Catholic men can't claim to want to be the spiritual leaders of their households without. Is not the sin of Eve, ultimately the sin of Adam for failing to protect his wife from the serpent? Catholic men can't claim to want to be the spiritual leaders of their households without actually defeating the devil within their domain.
Speaker 4:Did the men whose wives chose abortion? So the context is if a married woman aborts her child, is the husband culpable in any way If she does it without him knowing? Is the husband culpable in any way if she does it without him knowing? So her point is did the men whose wives chose abortion pray a daily rosary with their families? Did they actively inculcate good morals in their house or did they just think going to church once a week was enough? Spiritual warfare is very real and that's why I stand by my claim that the husband is ultimately responsible for protecting his family and if the wife chose abortion, the husband is the one who allowed the devil to creep in and attack her, like Adam in the Garden of Eden. That is insane. That is insane. He might have some culpability for failing to do a few things.
Speaker 4:He's not ultimately responsible for the wife sneaking behind his back and doing that because he didn't pray a daily rosary right like that's insane.
Speaker 1:He has culpability for his failings in leading a family, but he's not culpable in the abortion. No, that's ridiculous but that's in. That's an insane claim also it's ridiculous uh, a woman who's not married is trying to like teach people this stuff online. That's ridiculous in and of itself.
Speaker 4:This is but this is the modern. It's just so crazy how like? Because clearly men do have the role of priests of their home and they, they do fail at that quite often yeah but man, to just say, and like, like, she's almost saying like when women die, they'll be able to go to heaven. It was my husband's fault, I don't have to tell you it does seem that way he didn't pray the daily rosary with us.
Speaker 4:Like what are you nuts woman like that is completely bonkers like my. My dad was not the greatest priest in the home, but my mom did the best she could at it. It's I don't know. It's like we're all gonna be culpable for our own actions. But if the husband had no foreknowledge of the act? No, he's not guilty of the abortion. He could be guilty of failing to do certain things in the home, but that's not. You know like a woman is ultimately responsible. There are men who talk women into that and that they'll be held, they'll be culpable for something like that.
Speaker 1:That's a very different situation yes, very different um, let me see I have something to share real quick I want to pull up.
Speaker 4:uh, locals, what is this? Wait, who's? Who's that with the mustache Pratt? Is he the stupid mustache?
Speaker 1:The look he's got on your face is perfect.
Speaker 4:Wait, I got to get into, I got to get onto the locals chat.
Speaker 3:Hang on, I like to see what the people are saying.
Speaker 4:Let's see sorry guys, slow show today. I'm gonna just join the chat so I can see what you people are saying, because that seems like that seems like that seems like a when you guys would have something to say about. I don't believe the husband is ultimately responsible, but it would not hurt if he treated his family that way as a means.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying like, yeah, the husband does ultimately have a very big responsibility in the home. I can't believe this content is only $50 a year. $45. Those are the worst. Head of the household does mean a large responsibility for spiritual attacks on the family. We've had a good, solid priest. Reiterate this to my husband.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not denying that Right. But no matter what spiritual attack a woman might receive, she still chooses to abort her child. Like that's one thing. Even if you're possessed, you can't be forced to do something against your will, so that woman is ultimately still the one responsible yeah, I'm gonna blame my father when I face judgment too.
Speaker 4:Um, yeah, look, I do think, like I said's, there's a conversation I have there, but not the way she worded it. Like, the way she worded that was just completely bonkers. All right, let's play. Let's play that Protestant video I sent. We had to figure out a different system for these videos and stuff. You said I hate this so much. Yeah, it's a lot. Should protestants root for the new pope, doug wilson? I don't know who doug wilson is, you know. No, it's like. It's like is he a famous proddy? I don't know. I don't keep up in proddy world the video?
Speaker 1:you? We want to watch the video. Yeah, bring it up. It's a quick one.
Speaker 4:It's five minutes long, yeah we'll pause it if something relevant is said.
Speaker 1:Hold on, there's Hold on. I gotta switch YouTube channels. There's ads on this one you do not want that Freaking.
Speaker 4:Molly got me to pay for YouTube channels. There's ads on this one. You do not want that Freaking. Molly got me to pay for YouTube premium. I do like not having ads. It is nice not having ads with YouTube premium. I will say that Cigar mode. Can we just call it what it is Child sacrifice? Yeah, absolutely. Can we just do Hawaiian pigeon instead? Doug Wilson is a big name in the reformed world. I think he's Presbyterian. Yeah, it is like it's so weird, like you expect an ad to come on when you click a video and you're like, ooh, this is seamless, pretty smooth, and I do spend an awful lot of time on YouTube. So I just hate, hate giving them money. Even though they give me money. It should be a business write-off, but I mean all right.
Speaker 1:You would think like why would our channel not automatically get youtube premium?
Speaker 4:yeah, it should right, but you're a paid channel. You should should get that as a kickback.
Speaker 3:Some recent events. Doug, I'm sure you saw the news of the new Pope I did. What do you think the Protestant posture towards all of that should be when it happens, when they do the smoke thing? I saw many responses from Protestants that range from curious what's this guy going to be? To tweets about the new Antichrist. So how should the Protestants think about when we have a new pope?
Speaker 5:So the first thing I think we have to fix.
Speaker 1:Notice how he said that when we have a new pope, Like subconsciously even recognizes that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that is interesting. The pope is his. That's a good poll. I didn't even pick up on that.
Speaker 5:In our minds is that the modern Roman Catholic Church is shot through with liberalism. It is not the papacy of the Middle Ages, it is not the papacy that the reformers were up against. Now, the catechism of the Catholic Church is that the teaching is all the same. The teaching is all the same. The teaching is all the same. They still affirm the infallibility of the pope when he's speaking exotheater they still affirm all I want.
Speaker 4:I want that last meme, this one, yes, I need, I need that meme. That is amazing and who the hell was the Black Taylor Marshall and Black Trent Horn?
Speaker 1:I need to know who that was if you're in locals right now, tell us please do you have it on X Mizzle? Hitchborn Mizzle hitch board. Mizzle hitch board. Use it for juneteenth. Oh, and we do need to save.
Speaker 4:We need to save that save that to use as a thumbnail.
Speaker 1:Two n words in babylon avoiding babylon dei I am saving this image to my computer right now To use. I'm going to call it what's yeah, deiab.
Speaker 4:So, liza, the only thing that stinks about watching the whole thing on Locals is I can't. We can't highlight your comments. We can't highlight your comments. That's the only reason, like it does, kind of, I can't wait till they figure out highlighting the locals' comments, because once they do that, I'll not highlight YouTube comments at all, unless they're super chats. Like, if you want to comment on our live show, you got to join locals. We'll put it out on YouTube. But if you want comments, you got to be on locals, unless it's a super chat. But they haven't figured that out yet because it would be so cool to just highlight our locals members now, that's so.
Speaker 1:I am so rumble and locals are now owned by the. Are they both owned by dave rubin?
Speaker 4:I don't know if they're both owned by him. He's a partner in it somehow.
Speaker 1:But anyway, like I think, as they start to share more and more technology between the two platforms. Now that we have rumble that we can highlight comments from, I think that's probably coming down the pipeline I hope so.
Speaker 4:I hope so because once that does happen, that'll be a great way to even promote locals, like you guys want to comment. We're not going to highlight it unless it's on locals. Uh, all right, let's jump back to the video okay uh son of a wait, actually, sean.
Speaker 4:Yes, I did watch the do that interview and that was super interesting too, rob, I talked to you about it a little bit. Uh, ross do that writes for the new york times he's like the catholic common common, uh, catholic opinion editor for the new york times and he interviewed a guy about the future of ai, and this guy was basically talking about how, whoever controls these ais, the power is going to coalesce around like a few figures yeah like and it's.
Speaker 4:We kind of talked about that in the last episode like the power is going to coalesce around a few very important figures and man, it's got some really antichrist vibes, like if you watch that episode, and he just he's. What's interesting about this ai thing that they're talking about is it's not like the, it's not like the climate change hysteria for the apocalypse, because you know how like that, they have the climate apocalypse that they're always like, oh, like 20 years from now, the ice shelf is gonna melt and break up, but this is like two years out, so we'll know if they're full of crap right away. You know it's not like, oh, maybe in 15 years they're crazy, apocalypse is going to happen. This guy's like no, no, no, 2027, by next year, you're going to start seeing insane things with AI which I still, I still dude, I still can't get Siri to dictate my words.
Speaker 4:So I'm very hesitant to believe that AI is taking over the world, because I say the word encyclical to Siri and it writes end cycle. It just doesn't work. So don't tell me that AI is taking over the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we should talk about trad recovery after this video.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:And also people are suggesting that you should record a commercial informing everyone of the cancellation.
Speaker 4:I got to write a new script. Should I do it in Hawaiian pigeon?
Speaker 1:Yes, I was just going to suggest that Trad recovery man we're going to cancel a new script.
Speaker 4:Should I do it in Hawaiian Pigeon? Yes, I was just going to suggest that Trad recovery man. We're going to cancel the whole thing.
Speaker 1:First off, neither of us were speaking in Pigeon. We were speaking like Jamaican, you know what I was doing.
Speaker 4:I was doing like Mr Echo from Lost.
Speaker 1:He's Nigerian. Oh my gosh, you're the worst.
Speaker 4:It was kind of like a creole I was doing right, you were doing something I don't even know. I mean, I read the words and I just did them in the. It made it a hundred times funnier the way we did it, than to speak proper hawaiian because, proper hawaiian pitch is way more subtle. Yeah, like the way we did, it made it much funnier okay, watch this video more yeah worse, mr.
Speaker 5:Mr echo, impersonation but they do so in a liberal context, and Pope Benedict was the irony that this guy doesn't even realize.
Speaker 1:Protestants created liberalism.
Speaker 5:Yeah, not in that vein, but Francis certainly was, and this current Pope Leo is in that vein. He's not going to be at the very least he won't be a stopgap against the galloping liberalism that is all through the Roman Church, and the differences between Protestants and Catholics are very deep and abiding. But Machen, I think, was on something when he says at the beginning of his magisterial book Christianity and Liberalism, he talks about how much more in common Protestants have with Roman Catholics than Protestants have with liberal Protestants. He says Protestants, liberal Protestants, are another religion entirely. It's like Buddhism.
Speaker 4:That's how we feel about Roman Catholicism.
Speaker 5:Roman Catholics is an extreme denominational difference. I think that's how he put it. So he's not papering over the differences between a trad Catholic. So the the trad catholic and the trad protestant can have a robust um a robust debate not really about the eucharist about mary. You know sufficiency of scripture and all of that um you can pause it.
Speaker 1:What even is a trad protestant?
Speaker 4:so he just means conservative like like a reformed. I don't even think that. I think he's just talking about moral issues, because they have their. You see it in Redeem Zuma all the time Talking about, like the Redeem Zuma thinks women can be pastors.
Speaker 4:He's not conservative. Yeah, that is actually funny. He is bizarre. He's a liberal Jew. He's bizarre, that kid. But he talks about how with the rainbow stuff, it crept into the you know, the pc usa and all that stuff. So they do have their liberal version of things, just like we have our james martins and we have our german bishops and things like that. But james white actually said it's hard for him to debate modern Catholics because they, like he has a harder time debating Trent Horn than he does a set of a contest, not because Trent Horn's arguments are better, but because Trent Horn is such mealy mouthed. Catholicism it's like you know know, trying to paper over what like just just, it's just so different. Like that that's always my issue with, since pope francis is like, how do you defend catholicism? Response to michael the thing is, I'm not that much lighter than the one, than the guy that's supposed to know you kind of look like.
Speaker 1:It looks a little bit like me I just like how black me's wearing a shirt that has black me on the shirt.
Speaker 4:So the, the, the. The difficulty of the francis papacy was that you felt like you were arguing for a catholicism that no longer exists in in terms of what the hierarchy teaches, right, so I understand what he's saying. He's saying like. He's saying he's not even talking about a debate, necessarily, he did say that. But he's also saying like traditional protestants and traditional catholics can at least like unite on pro-life issues, like they at least both agree that except most of them think ivf is okay yeah they don't.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're right, yeah yeah, they don't think contraception's okay anything they get right, they get right because of the catholic position right, right like they, they, they, whatever they get right because of the Catholic position Right. Whatever they get right, it is the Catholic position that they're getting right.
Speaker 1:Paul wants to know will you be filing for reparations after your trip to Greece next week, Once you're a little more tan?
Speaker 4:I am debating if I'm going to try and find an Eastern Catholic liturgy to go to on Sunday as opposed to a Novus Ordo in Greece, a Greek Novus Ordo has to be the worst thing in the world, right?
Speaker 4:So I'm going to try and find an Eastern Catholic liturgy while I'm there. There's no way I'm going to find a Latin mass in Greece Absolutely not. So I'm going to try and find an Eastern Catholic church to go to. Can we talk about black fatigue? Not this episode, but soon we can Anthony be filing for reparations after he gets tanned in Greece next week? Yeah, the society's probably not even in Greece, right? Oh, probably not. No, I'm curious I should, especially on Mykonos. Mykonos is going to be a real hard one.
Speaker 1:Let me see Latin Mass Finder I was just going to do that, but you can do it so mass locations Oof. Casey said she looked Greek ordinarian. I was.
Speaker 4:Check on the Latin Mass Finder, see if you can find one. I thought you were doing that. I was trying, but it doesn't let me. Latin Mass in Mykonos.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're the worst, Greece. I don't know how you make it through daily life to be honest, you'll get through it way quicker than me.
Speaker 4:I'm never going to find it. I see, yeah, this is just showing me Novus Ordos. I see, yeah, this is just showing me Novus Ordo. There's Greek Orthodox churches there, or there's a Novus Ordo Catholic church on Mykonos. I'm not seeing? Did Matt see? There we go. Yeah, let's see, wait, they made me and patrick cough in black.
Speaker 1:The nearest lads and mass to you will either be the institute, uh, in um, I don't know what part of italy that is, but in italy, or, uh, there is a sspx in croatia is there a byzantine catholic church in greece, in mykonos? The lads at mass finder doesn't tell me if there's a Byzantine mass.
Speaker 4:unfortunately, I'll have to figure it out when I get there. I'll have to talk to the locals. I talked to the locals down there and we figured it out. You were going to get kicked out That'd be Patrice Sarcophagus, not Patrick Coffin. That's good, Patrice Sarcophagus that's a good line D. That's good, patrice sarcophagus.
Speaker 1:That's a good line d anthony and rabarion. Um, I go to a ukrainian divine liturgy when I'm in the city closest to me. Can't, uh, can't bobby tell you? I mean, all 20 of them in the world have to know, right I can ask my priest for a dispensation.
Speaker 4:I might have to no.
Speaker 1:He's going to tell me to go to the Novus Ordo.
Speaker 4:Probably you think so.
Speaker 1:Well, it depends what priest you consider your priest. If you want a dispensation for that, go to the SSPX priest.
Speaker 4:I can figure that out. I don't know. All right, we're going to wrap this one up early tonight. Guys, I'm exhausted and I have a ton of streaming coming up for you this week. So tomorrow life site news is interviewing me. I don't know when they're releasing that. I doubt it's live because john henry likes to uh pre-record and stuff. So I doubt that will be live. I don't know when that's coming out. But then Wednesday, Rob and I will do a show and then Thursday morning I'm on with Anthony Stein at 5 am and then 7.30 am I go on with Joe McLean's show with Michael Hichborn. I have to figure out a good bit for the after show on Joe McLean's show. So Joe McLeanan show is from seven to eight on rate on radio and then they do just like a youtube after show from eight to nine I have an idea for a good bit what pigeon I should introduce it.
Speaker 4:I should, I should introduce my hawaiian pigeon over on joe mclean show. Yep, um, I'm gonna try and think of something interesting to just like take over the show on michael.
Speaker 1:He's the host or we introduced that, that uh clip about whatever they found in lake michigan.
Speaker 4:He's the one that sent me that. Oh really, yeah, he's the one that sent me that. So I said I'm gonna throw that in our show notes for the next time he's on, but that would be interesting to talk about. Oh my gosh, they're doing kwasniewski this is amazing is that just rock?
Speaker 1:I, I don't know, you don't need a bit, it's just a casual conversation yeah of course, I know it's no, I can't see. Yeah, I know, I saw it too, though to be fair, it kind of just sounds Japanese.
Speaker 4:Oh, my goodness, Our audience. It is nice to have such a youthful, funny audience. Oh, the Nick update. So I called Nick on the phone and I just wanted to make sure he was okay, because he didn't show up those two episodes, and he said everything's fine and I said so what? What we'll do going forward is like there'll be specific episodes. We asked Nick to come on. Like it won't. He won't be on as regularly, but he'll still be a regular guest, so but we still want to help Nick promote anything we can. But I also don't want him like sometimes we get caught up in riffraff on this show and I don't. I don't want him getting caught up in some of it and stuff. So there'll be very.
Speaker 1:Sometimes people's names get put into vanity fair.
Speaker 4:Exactly you know so and I say curse words, so I don't I don't want to remember I really don't remember saying it.
Speaker 1:Nick was probably on that episode because I think that was from the holdsworth yeah he wasn't on at that time, but probably yeah, so all right, we're gonna wrap this one up, oh so and next tuesday, while anthony's in greece, I was able to um find uh, mark and jason and they will be coming on for a show on tuesday that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4:I wish I was there for that. We got to get them on when I'm on notice how they both said yes to when you're not there we've asked them like four times and they said no, every time as soon as they heard I wasn't gonna be there, like let's go, let's do it.
Speaker 4:So imagine that's hitchboard, making all those memes that would be funny um, yeah, so you guys will get a show while I'm gone, at least one. It'll be up to Rob whatever Rob decides to do. But all right, let's wrap this one up. We'll see you guys tomorrow. I'll see you guys, I'll be on. Yeah, you guys are on schedule. We'll see you.
