Can Pope Leo Bridge the Growing Divide in Catholicism?

Have you been caught up in the wave of optimism following Pope Leo XIV's election? While there's genuine cause for celebration, this episode dives beneath the surface hype to examine the profound challenges that remain for the Catholic Church.

We begin with light-hearted banter about our disappearing friend Nick who seems to have traded our show for more polished Catholic media. This sets up what unexpectedly becomes one of our most memorable segments ever - the spontaneous discovery of the Hawaiian Pigeon Bible translation. The resulting scripture readings had us (and surely you) in tears of laughter, showcasing the joy that remains at the heart of authentic Catholic community even amid serious times.

When we finally compose ourselves, we tackle the substantial issues facing Pope Leo XIV. By examining Marco Rubio's thoughtful response to media attempts to politicize the papacy, we unpack how the new pope will navigate the complex relationship between Catholic teaching and geopolitical realities. 

The heart of our conversation explores a sobering reality: the divisions within Catholicism may be too profound to heal. Can Pope Leo possibly reconcile traditional Catholics with progressive German bishops who essentially practice a different religion? We analyze insights from Father Isaac and Father Murray about the fundamental problems in the Church that transcend any single papacy, from liturgical issues to doctrinal confusion dating back to Vatican II.

What makes this episode particularly valuable is our refusal to settle for simplistic narratives. While acknowledging the relief of having a pope who doesn't seem hostile to traditionalists, we remain clear-eyed about the long journey ahead for authentic Catholic restoration. We conclude with practical reflections on how traditional practices like fasting can transform spiritual life regardless of Vatican politics.

Whether you're feeling hopeful, concerned, or simply confused about the Church's direction, this episode offers both the levity of authentic fellowship and the depth of honest analysis. Share your thoughts with us - what do you believe Pope Leo needs to prioritize in these challenging times?

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Chapters

• 0:00 Nick's disappearance and podcast drama
• 19:04 Hawaiian Pigeon Bible readings begin
• 36:45 Marco Rubio on Pope Leo and immigration
• 45:30 Church divisions and Pope Leo's challenges
• 1:06:33 Father Murray's suggestions for Pope Leo
• 1:14:11 The importance of Catholic traditions and fasting
• 1:26:10 Show wrap-up and next episode announcements

Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:06

Sancte, sancte, amare morti necradas nos oh what the hell?

Speaker 2: 1:45

that was pretty quick, but, dude, that is the dock where I launched my boat. Can you bring the actual tweet up and we'll read it? Bring the actual tweet up. It's nuts, poor jeff. That's where I launched my boat and it was a teen driver. Uh, cigar mode sent me that. So an inexperienced driver had a miraculous escape after accidentally driving her vehicle over the side of a duck her, of course you had to know it was a her there was no question there was no question, it was a.

Speaker 2: 2:16

Her officials in suffolk county, new york, said dan panico, town supervisor of brookhaven in Suffolk County, new York, said Dan Panico, town supervisor of Brookhaven in Suffolk County, posted this footage showing the vehicle lurching forward and breaking through the dock barrier. Incredibly, the vehicle lands on a floating dock below. News 12 reported that the driver was a 17 year old. Family member said she was back home after a brief trip to the hospital. Following the incident, port Jefferson Fire department posted photos of the sea Dude. This that doc. Right there, like we. That's where I dock my boat and we go to the restaurant right up there. My daughter, we had her baptism, like her our. After her baptism we had the party at that restaurant and stuff.

Speaker 2: 2:56

It's crazy. He's broads, they can't even stay on the road. He's broads, they can't even stay on the road, land in the damn water. So, uh, what's going on with nick? Oh boy, what happened with nick? Nick bailed on us, like like he was supposed to come on, all right. So I think nick ditched us for catholic ink dude, that's where the money is. I think he dished us for bites with Aquinas.

Speaker 2: 3:25

I don't know what's going on. So he came on with me. He came on with me the show that Brian and Tim came on, and Tim came on and asked him a few questions and he kind of didn't answer much back. And then Brian came on and he hung out with Brian for a few minutes. And then, when Tim came on and asked him a few questions and he kind of didn't answer much back, and then Brian came on and he hung out with Brian for a few minutes and then when Tim came back on Nick goes, gentlemen, I got to pee and he just bailed. And then Tuesday night we didn't have a guest. So for those who don't know, this is okay, babe.

Speaker 3: 3:57

Saw right through it.

Speaker 2: 3:59

No, this is legit. We're going to share some stuff with you guys because nick ditched us for matt fratton. I don't like it, in fairness. Fratt's audience is nice worse with uh.

Speaker 3: 4:10

Ai generated uh memes though taffy, so listen.

Speaker 2: 4:15

So so tuesday we didn't have a guest. Now we just assumed nick would pop on, so nick does. Nick has his own login. Like we don't ask him to come on, he just comes on. And he freaking ditched us for Christian Wagner Tuesday and I'm like he didn't even text us another to say hey guys, I'm not going to make it. And then I start. Then he puts out this video. My freaking brother got a set of balls on him. Let's bring out my brother's post under Nick's video. This is my brother, hold on.

Speaker 3: 4:46

Let me describe this figure.

Speaker 2: 4:48

This is what my brother does. First off, I get a text from Tim Gordon. He goes yo, what's this about? Hey, nick, I'm Anthony's brother. Thanks for this video. I really needed to hear it. I was watching the other day when you were on avoiding babylon and tim gordon came back on. You decided to leave the conversation and I thought that took great virtue to do. Thanks for the example you've set for other catholic men. God bless, bro. I think what's going on is everybody around me, nick, my brother. I think they're all saying I'm I'm going to hell, I'm a bad influence, and that this is and then and then All I can tell them is good luck, guys.

Speaker 3: 5:24

I've been trying for three years.

Speaker 2: 5:27

And then let's bring up Matt Brad's thing. There's another one too. Hang on. There's two of these. This is not. This is not okay. Hang on. I got to get you the other one too, hang on.

Speaker 3: 5:40

What do you mean? The other one?

Speaker 2: 5:42

Oh, there's another one. Oh, I got to get you the other one. This is just. I don't like this. I see what's going on here. These guys, they think I don't know Show the one I just sent.

Speaker 3: 5:55

The one you just sent.

Speaker 2: 6:01

Yeah, why is it not showing up on my? You see, it did it, did it work yeah, it worked bring this up.

Speaker 2: 6:13

Matt frad on the next video, my brother, you are a good man and I'll be coming who you are, and it's beautiful for us to sit, beautiful for us to see and terrible to the demons. And then, nick, thank you, brother. All glory to Jesus Christ. And that was the first one. Now bring the other one up. Bring the other one up. I want to see what Matt said. This was so beautiful. I was listening while walking around my neighborhood almost into. Settle down. Matt, you cry over everything, settle down get a grip the emotional.

Speaker 2: 6:47

What the heck get a grip, matt, you're crying. Listening to nick. Listening to nick is not on the approved cry list matt, you get two cries a lot in your life, two one when you're watching band of brothers and the other one when your daughter gets married. Those are right. It's the only time you can't even cry when your mom passes. That's it. I'm telling you guys, this is the man rule, just telling you single tier.

Speaker 3: 7:15

When a parent single, that's pair passes single.

Speaker 2: 7:18

That's all you get.

Speaker 3: 7:21

Yes, Molly, it is very much cringe, you're right.

Speaker 2: 7:24

If Nick's in the chat, I want him on here. So if he's listening, he better get on here. I want to talk to this kid, so I don't know what's going on with Nick. Nick put out a video. Maybe I should have let Anthony keep me plugged.

Speaker 3: 7:40

You were blessed and you didn't even know it we're just kidding, first off, all right.

Speaker 2: 7:49

First of all, we're just kidding. If nick does see this, we're teasing. Nick, call us. What is going on? You didn't even tell us you're not coming tonight to be fair, for, like the previous four shows before that, you told him not to come on well, well, that's what I mean, though I was like nick, you're not going to want to be here for this one, because I know, I know, like he's, he's obviously taken like a little bit of a different road than the riffraff that goes on on this show the yellow road right to texas.

Speaker 2: 8:13

Governor oh, man, you know, while we're on the subject, we, I realized because gregory pointed out what are you guys going to drink on the show tonight? And I said if I can't wait, can the freaking women in the chat stop crying about anything funny that happens? Seriously, molly, it's a good buzzkill. Everybody's like why do you guys put drama on your channel? I don't. You want to know what. You want to know my thought processes. You guys have watched. No, I really don't grow with. You. Guys have watched Nick grow as part of the channel and then he ditched us and I thought you guys would want to peek behind the scenes of how I react to this. But I don't get what's going on. This kid didn't even text me. You even said me. You even said guys, I'm not going to make it tonight, or guys, would this be a good show for me to come on?

Speaker 3: 9:03

Everyone else on, like people in our audience. Everyone else is going to watch that debate tonight. What debate?

Speaker 2: 9:10

Who's debating?

Speaker 3: 9:11

Oh my gosh, corey Mahler and James White People are going to watch that Wagner's having a watch party for it even.

Speaker 2: 9:24

If you guys are caught up in that, I don't know what. To tell you, how many teams white debates can you watch joe fredo, a body 100 freaking kid. Is he kidding me? I'm gonna smack them.

Speaker 3: 9:36

When I saw him like that time he was supposed to bring us all pizza in pennsylvania, and it turns out and he ate the pie himself higher pizza on the way all right.

Speaker 2: 9:46

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Speaker 3: 10:19

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Speaker 2: 10:24

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Speaker 3: 11:01

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Speaker 3: 11:26

You should see jason from recusant will come up. You should see if jason from recusant will come on the show. That would be a good idea. It would be fun to maybe have jason and his son john on the show and, uh, I don't know, maybe they could either teach us about wine or I don't know I got a.

Speaker 2: 11:37

Uh, I got a. I can't say who it is.

Speaker 3: 11:38

We could have a drinking contest with them on it.

Speaker 2: 11:43

I got a tweet today, a DM that said my birth mom and I both follow you. I want to comment on your post so much but she obsessively follows you and I just can't call her out or comment in any agreement with you. Anyway, I just thought you'd like to know. I appreciate 90% of your posts and she enjoys clapping back at you 100 of the time she visited this weekend was don't say who it is, if you know she visited the one you tweeted about today she visited this weekend and you, a stranger on x, were a large source of conversation.

Speaker 2: 12:17

How about that? Well, my boomer catholic mom prays for you, as I as do I. I'm not sure how my trump loving mom became such a liberal catholic cheers dude. That's amazing. So I followed her mom, I love it, and now I'm like commenting on all her poses. Amazing, um, all right.

Speaker 3: 12:38

So so it's top-not notch content right there, everyone I don't know what's going on with our Nick?

Speaker 2: 12:44

He was our boy and I got to tell you I don't know. You think I know what's going on. Matt's trying to divide and conquer. That's what he's doing.

Speaker 3: 12:52

He's trying to break up a number of subs without playing dirty.

Speaker 2: 12:58

He's trying to divide and conquer, avoiding Babylon. I think that's what's happening. Matt, call me, we'll talk stop crying, matt, get a grip. We don't like it. All right, let's uh. I saw uh a couple of things we could talk about today oh are the, oh are the cherries.

Speaker 3: 13:21

Live now I was going to say, even if you're not into wine, it's a fruit farm too.

Speaker 2: 13:30

They have fresh fruit and apparently you can order cherries. Now I'm going to have to do that. Oh no, Did I forget my Xen upstairs? Oh no, the whole show is ruined.

Speaker 3: 13:38

It's a. Xentastrophe.

Speaker 2: 13:40

Oh my goodness, the whole show is ruined. Did that really happen? There's no way, did I? Oh, my god, I did. Oh, I just took the lowest name to be okay. Um, wow, over zen, no less. I know I'm gonna text my kids or something you have zinned against god okay, so I just saw a clip of um the media, uh, asking marco rubio a question about pope leo, you want to play that?

Speaker 2: 14:06

not really, but okay yeah, let's go with that. So, uh, marco rubio is at a press conference and the media jumped on him and asked him about pope leo. Let's see. Let's see what we think about this. We'll go with that okay, I don't.

Speaker 3: 14:19

I don't think you've sent it to me. No, it's in the dm, isn't it? No, not that I see, but you once again. You sent me 15 things today.

Speaker 2: 14:27

Oh my goodness, did I really not send it?

Speaker 3: 14:31

you're the worst oh man, we have like four, four clips of francis not interacting well with people. We have. Why don't you, um, I mean the?

Speaker 2: 14:44

okay, the indian titanic video would have been funny to play too okay, but I have to run and get my ipad in order to send you this video. That's the problem, and I could totally grab my zen when I'm going to do that okay, while you do that, I'm going to play the indian titanic. Okay, wait, wait, wait, we got to time this right. Let me, just Let me, just Because I got to get my iPad to send it to you. Okay, how long is that video?

Speaker 2: 15:10

50 seconds 50 seconds, I can do it. Okay, go Go.

Speaker 6: 15:34

Every night, in my dreams, I see you, I feel you. That is how I know you. God, the distance and spaces between us. You have come to show. You've gone Near and far. Wherever you are, I believe that the heart doesn't I don't know why I find that so funny.

Speaker 3: 16:10

No, I did see that one I did see that one today.

Speaker 2: 16:12

That's actually hilarious. Okay, so I got my zen.

Speaker 3: 16:15

I got the walker rubio video ryan says I certainly hope no one.

Speaker 2: 16:20

No one comes to this show to learn anything so the thing is this there's a couple things about this show. One is we'll never be invited to like anything.

Speaker 3: 16:33

Chase, chase, you're not supposed to watch this. No one in my family's supposed to watch this turn it on, that's a family member that's's my cousin Chase. Yeah, oh boy.

Speaker 2: 16:44

What a show from the checkout. So the thing about this show is we're never going to be invited to like the professional Catholic thing. Oh gee, I wonder why. But I think all of those guys watch us and I think they watch us and say I wish I could do what those guys do because we're having fun, we actually enjoy ourselves and we're not giving you the reason for Sola Scriptura for the 400. The reason why Sola Scriptura is never going to work or whatever the hell these guys do for the 400th time. So I think they all kind of look at us with a slight bit of envy, wishing they could do what we do. But okay, okay, we got the rubio clip oh, that's, that's what.

Speaker 3: 17:26

Yeah, that's why you went upstairs, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 17:28

yes, I ran upstairs to get the rubio clip. Okay, we'll do the rubio clip then. We got a bunch of other stuff too announced today that you're headed to rome for the pope's inaugural mass.

Speaker 3: 17:37

Pope leo, in different parts of his life, has spoken passionately about the plight of migrants. How do you reconcile what the Vatican has said on compassion for migrants with the Trump administration's policies?

Speaker 7: 17:48

Well, first of all, the pope is not a political figure. I know he's covered like one, but they're not. They're the earthly head of the Roman Catholic Church and the church has strong social doctrine teachings, and I think there is not incompatibility. We too are compassionate towards migrants. I would argue there's nothing compassionate about mass migration. There's nothing compassionate about open borders that allows people to be trafficked here. There's nothing compassionate about either to the American people, about flooding our country with individuals that are criminals and prey on our communities. There's nothing compassionate about any of that. But I would caution all of you and everyone.

Speaker 7: 18:26

I understand there's this temptation to cover the papacy as a political office. It is not a political office. It is a spiritual office and it is one that has social teachings that are aligned with the faith and with the gospel. But I don't believe those are incompatible with a national policy that shows tries to prevent mass migration, which is not compassionate to people that are being trafficked into our country and is also not compassionate to people in the country who suffer gravely. How much time is that when a million people come here illegally? If a thousand?

Speaker 5: 18:59

of them are dangerous criminals.

Speaker 7: 19:00

Those are a lot of victims and that's not fair either, and that's not compassionate. So, um, by the way, I mean and I don't mean this to be snarky, but the vatican has rules about who can come in and who can overstay, so every place has that. It's just, it's what you do to protect your sovereignty. We, we, are the most compassionate nation in the world every single year a million people.

Speaker 2: 19:21

What I find interesting about this is that, sure, cardinal prevost may have said a bunch of stuff about immigration, and I don't he hasn't really even said much.

Speaker 2: 19:31

Like he retweeted stuff, right, he didn't actually say anything. The only thing he did say that we saw when he was a cardinal he said was pretty reasonable, like he actually said something pretty reasonable about immigration and it was look, he acknowledged that it was a problem. But yet we do do still have to treat people with compassion and empathy and I think that's a very christian position. So I find it interesting that the media is already trying to pit the trump administration against pope leo when pope leo has not said a word about any of these things yet. It's pretty interesting. Even even I saw another interview with the pope's brother, john, and uh, he, he thinks leo will be another francis, but I don't think even he knows like I don't think any of us know what pope leo is going to be, and I think also world events could shape who he is also well, yeah, I mean, that's what famously happened with leo the or not leo.

Speaker 2: 20:36

The 13th uh pies the ninth pies to the ninth.

Speaker 3: 20:38

He was a liberal, was elected to be a liberal, and then the revolutions of 1848 happened to all across europe and like it rat, like radicalized him in like a traditional sort of way and um yeah, so yeah, you're right. Who knows what could, what could affect um leo, or maybe what has affected leo since those tweets, or maybe who knows how the grace of the office is working in him.

Speaker 2: 21:07

Yeah, so look, um the okay. So I also have a clip from father Isaac that will probably play over on locals tonight. Um, because, while it, it's an interesting situation because, like, I'm caught up in the love for the new Pope too, like it's just there's is a very good feeling with the new Pope, where you just I mean, we talked about it already- you know, it's just he's not Francis.

Speaker 2: 21:38

You know, and it's like you, you really, you really do feel a relief under this pope. I don't think it's that. I said that to Rob this morning. I was like I don't know, but I don't think that's what he's doing. I think he just recognizes that the issue was not ever really Francis, like it seemed like Francis was the issue to most of us, but really these issues are much bigger than that. Yeah, and the issues existed before Francis.

Speaker 3: 22:01

Francis was the issue to most of us but really these issues are much bigger than that. Yeah, and the, the, the issues existed before Francis way before Francis and the the.

Speaker 2: 22:10

But that doesn't mean we don't have to show charity to the Pope, especially this new Pope who's coming in, like it's it. You know we're we're talking about big issues here. So I mean, I even sent Rob, I sent you the Father Murray clip. You have that right. Yep, let's play the Father Murray clip because, look, the things he's about to say are big issues and this is what we would hope to see addressed and they're even bigger than what father murray is talking about. So, like, originally I was like a benedict the 17th will not solve this crisis. Oh, 100 molly, yes, I don't know. And, like I said, like just the, just the feeling of not having your father hate you is, francis, beautiful feeling like like those issues existed before, but francis made it where we couldn't coexist with those issues you know what I mean like like with

Speaker 3: 23:10

jp2 and benedict. Yeah, those issues were there and they're still going to be there, but um, but traditionalists could still coexist with them you know, and I have a feeling we'll be able to coexist with Leo, no matter what he is. I think we'll be able to coexist with him. With Francis, that was not really a possibility.

Speaker 2: 23:34

So I'm seeing the providence of God in the Francis papacy, more and more especially under Leo, in the Francis papacy, more and more especially under Leo. The thing is, if we had had another continuation of Benedict after Benedict, like if we would have gotten whatever another post-conciliar kind of like Leo now, I never would have even been open to hearing about any of the traditional objections. I was a hermeneutic of continuity, new springtime, new evangelization, lighthouse, catholic media guy. I would have argued with a set of a contest and an SSPX guide to the death. That's who I was as a Catholic before Francis. And then when Francis came in, I had no choice but to look at things differently and say wait a minute, francis is not the source of the problem. He's actually a byproduct of the real problem. And the real problem is that our entire Catholic praxis was changed in the 1960s. So look we have.

Speaker 2: 24:47

May 18th is the inaugural mass of Pope Leo XIV. It was the inaugural. It's the inaugural mass. That used to be a coronation, the coronation of the king, because we have a monarch right. So pope paul vi lays down the papal tiara. He was the last pope who was coronated. He was the last pope who had a coronation. He lays down the papal tiara and john paul. I goes in and there's no coronation and he gets an inaugural mass. Same thing with JP II, same thing with Benedict XVI I keep saying XVII, actually, I've played that out in my head so many times.

Speaker 2: 25:40

So the whole idea, the symbolism of the papal tiara is that the pope is the representative of the king of kings. Kings throughout the middle ages would go and kiss the slippers like that's a joke and a meme that we do now kiss the papal slippers. But that literally happened. Throughout the middle ages, kings would go kneel before the pope and kiss his slippers out of reverence for the successor of peter. Yeah, I mean, this is. This is a real fricking thing. That happened and it was. It was about Christ being King of Kings and even the Kings of the earth were subject to him.

Speaker 2: 26:12

Paul the six takes off the papal tiara and all of these secular governments no longer hold crisis, can't. Like? All of this goes to the feast of Christ the King. This is not just some. Oh, christ is King. Like. All of this goes to the feast of Christ the King. This is not just some. Oh, we got a Pope who's not hostile towards trads.

Speaker 2: 26:30

This is a very big issue, and so what what father Isaac was talking about in his podcast is just a realization that the problem is so deep that you you have Cardinal Cupich and and Father James Martin all applauding Pope Leo because he's the Pope of Peace, and you also have the Cardinal Burks and the Cardinal Saras and us also saying he's the Pope of Peace. But I'm not sure there can be peace between these camps in reality, because if Pope Leo actually wants to address the real issues at hand, there's not going to be peace. He's either going to address them or he's going to ignore them. So if he ignores them, that might be. We might, because we're traditional Catholics or faithful Catholics. We'll never leave Like. The church is our home and where else can we go? So we may keep our mouths shut and be obedient and wait for the Pope of Restoration, but if Leo is not the Pope of Restoration, you're just talking about masking these problems that are under the surface, which is what was the case throughout JP II and Benedict XVI.

Speaker 2: 27:35

And then Pope Francis came and you saw these problems come to the surface. You saw how diabolical these men were, that when Benedict was around, they paid lip service to the things that you thought Catholics were supposed to care about pro-life and all these different easy, low-hanging fruit issues. But under the surface they were all revolutionaries and when Francis came in and gave them the green light, they all their masks dropped for most of them. So I do think Pope Leo is going to want to bring peace. I really genuinely believe he wants to bring peace. I just don't know how that's going to work in action, because he'd either. You know, if he goes to overturn some of the things Francis did, it's going to send the left into a tizzy and they're going to lose their minds. And if he doesn't address any of it, it's going to send us into a frenzy like there's just no way around that I mean no, there can't be, it be can't be.

Speaker 3: 28:31

Peace between, say us and the, the left cast no there, just can't there can be peace between strats and conservatives right, right. I don't think leo can like. Leo's not gonna be able to bring bring peace between faithful catholics and left catholics. He just it's not gonna work, but there are different religions than us hopefully he can bring peace between between us.

Speaker 3: 28:55

And you know, faithful, you know novus ordo normie catholics. Because, yeah, that's what was really hard over the last 12 years yeah, and it really got even more difficult over the last four or five years was the division that francis was driving between traditionalists and, you know, faithful, conservative catholics what?

Speaker 2: 29:17

so what? I think it what francis, okay, so why don't we play the francis kissing the ring thing versus the leo kissing the ring thing? Did I send the leo one, though I'm not sure I did.

Speaker 3: 29:28

Oh, you, didn't you just so.

Speaker 2: 29:29

I'll find it though, because I did, I did tweet it, so, um, I will find it. Hang on, I will find it. Hold on. Okay, I'll send this to your well let's play the Francis one first.

Speaker 2: 29:59

Which one? There's multiple the Francis, the ring kiss, the one that got 10 million views on my Twitter. We'll play that one, and then we'll play the other one too. We'll play the oneis the ring kiss, uh, the, the one that got 10 million views on my twitter. We'll play that one, and then we'll play the other one too. We'll play the one with the cardinal. So I mean, I'm sure you, if you guys follow me on twitter, you definitely saw this tweet right, and I just wrote man, what a mood change, because this was, this was francis. You play it.

Speaker 3: 30:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:00

I kind of see this a little differently now than I did when it first came out what did?

Speaker 2: 31:07

you think, when it first came out. So when it first came out I was like how dare he? Like I was so angry about it and something about it seems silly to me this time, like watching now that leo's there and there's no, like I don't have the same animosity towards francis anymore. It's like I see the smile on his face and I think he's being goofy like I don't know man. This is. I know I, because at the time when I first saw it I was like he like it felt like a degradation of the chair of peter, and but the thing that changes my mind is the other one with the cardinal. So play, play the one with the cardinal. He's not afraid of the germs. That has nothing to do with that. Stop saying. Everybody keeps saying that it's not about germs.

Speaker 3: 31:52

It actually might be if he you don't get. We're finding out more and more that he was mentally unstable. Right, yeah, there could be some sort of some sort of phobia there.

Speaker 2: 32:03

Don't wipe it on francis, I'm not wiping on francis, don't worry.

Speaker 3: 32:12

He didn't want cooties, but you're right, it's definitely not germs, because that dude just yeah, he's.

Speaker 2: 32:21

Yeah, that's not germs. Come on, don't tell me he doesn't want his cheek being kissed, but he's worried about his hand. Now watch the black card.

Speaker 3: 32:30

He's like skeeved out. The cheeks versus the ring wasn't the only difference there.

Speaker 2: 32:36

He's skeeved out by the black card. Look at his ring. So it's just there was. There was some. It wasn't a he. It was very clear that was like well known that Francis didn't like having his ring kiss and it was about him thinking it was an act of humility to not be that kind of Pope.

Speaker 2: 33:00

Now, whether it was false humility or or not, that's what he saw in his that's how he saw it in his head. But in reality, the pope allowing his ring to be kissed is really about about oh wait, I sent the same stupid thing to you, didn't I did I? What thing I sent? The same, yeah, yeah, I didn't send you the right tweet.

Speaker 3: 33:23

Um, hang on yeah, you sent just the big yeah yeah, I did, I did, I did I did um, I will find the other one.

Speaker 2: 33:31

So, like, when you compare that to, all I gotta do is type hopium because it was used hopium, hang on, okay, I got it. Uh, all I got to do is type hopium because I used hopium, hang on, okay, I got it. So when you compare that to this, which is the Eastern Catholic bishops coming to meet Francis, right, so that's kind of what the show title was about, because what Francis did with the Eastern Catholics should give us all hope for liturgy at minimum. At minimum for the liturgy. Like, we should see this as a clear sign that he's he's looking to have a different approach than Francis did on the liturgy. On the liturgy, but so we just watched. We just watched Francis recoil at his ring being kissed. But when you see him with, when you see pope leo with the eastern bishop bishops I'm sorry guys, I'm drinking wine and I'm hiccuping.

Speaker 3: 34:31

It's awful to listen to apparently you said francis instead of leo um, guys, half a half a glass of wine in.

Speaker 2: 34:40

Forgive me, I said Louis the other day when we were talking about Leo. I keep mixing. I keep saying Louis the 14th instead of Leo the 14th. So if that, if I do make that mistake, it's. I do know the Pope's name is Leo. It's just Jim, I'm not drunk at all.

Speaker 2: 35:22

There's something. He does it with two of them. You don't have to play that thing. He does it with two of them. He allows two of them to kiss his ring, and there's something about what Leo has done just in the first week of restoring the dignity to the chair of Peter, right, and that to me is an act of humility. Yeah, like like that to me, because it's not about you Robert, it's about you Leo. And there's something that it does take an act of humility for like for people to come and kiss your ring, like you kind of feel awkward, but it's not about you, it's about that you're a successor of saint peter, so, but I do think that francis saw it as an act of humility to not let people kiss his ring and he didn't see it properly, and that you are no longer jorge borgoleo, you are now pope francis I don't know, if he saw it that way well, speak your mind.

Speaker 3: 36:18

This is what we hear for this is the joy of avoiding Babylon, Rob.

Speaker 2: 36:22

You get to say what you think.

Speaker 3: 36:25

I think there's a good possibility, at the very least, that he saw it as a way of putting himself above the office and tearing down the church.

Speaker 2: 36:41

You think he had that in mind. 100 I do too.

Speaker 3: 36:46

It's hard to not think that it's hard to not think that like it's hard to not dolan being told to be charitable by lofton, michael lipton.

Speaker 2: 36:56

charitable imagination. I want carnal dolan on our show. I really do. Yeah, no, look, there's something about this, like right. So it's hard to not have the hopium when you see Pope Leo XIV doing these things. Rob speaks at least three octaves lower than Anthony. I will say this there's something I I don't want. I won't say it no, no, no say it, we're here to speak our mind.

Speaker 2: 37:30

That's the joy of avoiding bad no, there's something about these shows, when it's just me and you, that I do enjoy. Where it's just, I don't know I do, I do. I do enjoy the banter between the two of us, the wine drink and the wine drink wait, no wait, stop this whole conversation and plus 10 to concealability listen to me, everybody, stop the conversation. I know this show is all over the place, rob. No, no, no. Listen to me. Everybody stop the conversation.

Speaker 3: 38:03

I know this show is all over the place, rob.

Speaker 2: 38:04

No, no, no, Bring it up. Wait, I'll do it. You don't have to do it, I'll do it, I'll do it. Just please bring up John 8, 44 in Hawaiian pigeon translation of scripture. Don't have to because we've discussed this bible verse so many times. I I read this to my wife last night and she I never saw her laugh so hard.

Speaker 3: 38:36

Her ribs were hurting from it bro, do you know they even renamed the books. What do you mean here? Hold on, watch this.

Speaker 2: 38:47

Oh my goodness, out of.

Speaker 3: 38:50

Egypt Priests Census Rules Rules second time Local leaders. This is Hawaiian pigeon translation of scripture smart guys you gotta love the hawaiians oh, it's really too bad we was gang love song, sad song, so listen, jesus guys I can't stop stop bringing these up hold on, I gotta go to the end. No, what is the end called? I bet it's. What is the apocalypse? Hold on, it won't go.

Speaker 2: 39:39

What is the apocalypse? Why would it go to the apocalypse? I don't. It won't bring you to the apocalypse.

Speaker 3: 39:51

Jesus show, jesus show.

Speaker 2: 39:57

No, come on Wait. No, that can't be real.

Speaker 3: 40:00

It is Hold on. What verse has the 666 in it revelation?

Speaker 2: 40:10

is at 18, I don't know. No, go to john 8, 44 luckily john is still just called john go to john 8 44 844. Because we've discussed this on.

Speaker 3: 40:24

Okay, I will read it.

Speaker 2: 40:26

I'll read it. I'm going to do it first. I think I do a good pigeon. I think I do a good Hawaiian pigeon. You think you do everything. Well, ant, I got this one down because I practiced it a couple times last night. You guys come from your father the devil. You guys like all the kind stuff he like. Do. Okay, you're better than me. From the start he went like kill the people. He don't like that truth Because no more, nothing true inside him. He every time bullies Because that's what he like to do. He the first guy ever when bullying I messed it up. He the first guy ever when bullying I messed it up. He the first guy ever when bullying Because that's how he stay Dude, come on, you gotta try it, you gotta do it.

Speaker 3: 41:11

I stay, tell you guys the truth, but you guys no, trust me. You guys can no show prove that I won't do bad kind stuff. That's why, if I stay, tell the truth, how come you guys don't trust me? Okay, this has to be some sort of is this blasphemy matt brad is crying right now is there an australian? No?

Speaker 2: 41:43

Oh no, I could do it. I think I could do it, I think I could do an Australian.

Speaker 3: 41:48

Hold on, let me Nope no Australian Darn.

Speaker 2: 41:55

Wait, I was talking to Bobby earlier and I'm like I don't know, Can I make the Matt Frack crying joke? I think I'll take it lightheartedly, like like matt settle down, you cry about everything, relax right.

Speaker 3: 42:12

And I'm like should we do this sort of the hail mary and pigeon?

Speaker 2: 42:14

every time somebody mentions jesus, you're weeping. Relax, get a grip, relax. I had bobby peen in his pants on the phone earlier, but you know he might want to check his water supply. Make sure they're never mind, never mind, stop, stop dude, the hawaiian pigeon bible is the greatest thing ever. I'm only reading. That's the only valid translation of scripture as far as I'm concerned you can't, you can't get to heaven hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3: 42:41

Do you want to hear what the hill mary would be like?

Speaker 2: 42:44

oh no, I almost don't want to read that angel guy.

Speaker 3: 42:48

Come by her and tell aloha the one in charge go and do something special for you wait, go through all the ones that somebody, that in that tweet, somebody sent me.

Speaker 2: 43:01

Let's do all of them I don't have your tweet no, I sent the tweet to the dm. There's like four different things he sent okay, give me a second there's four different uh bible things. Guys, you are getting something that no other show is going to bring you. We're bringing you Hawaiian pigeon scripture readings tonight. Okay, if you don't like our show, I don't know If you guys aren't going to become locals members after this, I don't know. You guys want to go watch you?

Speaker 3: 43:33

know what we should do here. I have an idea for super chats. What? If you want a certain verse, read in hawaiian pigeon you can choose either anthony to read it, you can choose the verse, but it's got to be via super chat okay well, I will.

Speaker 2: 43:53

I do want to read oh my gosh, this is the one where pilot with pilot I want to read the one I just got it hold on this. You guys are going to die when you hear this.

Speaker 1: 44:03

This is amazing.

Speaker 2: 44:07

Best, jesus, show out the hands down, wait which one. No, I want. Wait, no, I want. This is the first time I've heard about Hawaiian pigeon, Solo Hawaiian pigeon script Zora. Dude, I freaking love this show. I love hanging with you guys. This is fun. Okay, this is what I want to, but the main priest guys and the older leaders when pressure the people for say this kill jesus already we like barabbas, governor, pilot.

Speaker 2: 44:49

When acts. When acts, one more time, get two guys over here, which one you like me let go. They say barabbas, so pilot. Ask then what I going to do with Jesus, the Christ guy that they say God wins sin.

Speaker 3: 45:05

Hold on, Ant. I think you and I need to contact Mel Gibson and let him know if they need voiceovers to do the resurrection in Hawaiian Pigeon. We're there.

Speaker 2: 45:17

They say Barabbas. So Pilate asked him then what I going to do with Jesus, the Christ guy that they say God went sin? They all say kill him on top on cross. But Pilate say how come? What kind bad thing he want to do? But they yell more loud kill him on top on cross. Then Pilate know he can now make them change their minds, because the people was busting up the place already.

Speaker 3: 45:45

You gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 2: 45:48

Okay, we need to be done so he take the water and wash his hands from the people. He said you guys, no, can blame me for whatever you guys want to do to this guy. That's you guys problem. And all the people say us guys and our kids going. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3: 46:04

All the people say, yeah, hold on Joey's in the chat.

Speaker 2: 46:10

You know I love you. I just like to come out.

Speaker 3: 46:14

That's fair.

Speaker 2: 46:15

I texted Joey I go, I will kill you.

Speaker 1: 46:21

People are amazing People are amazing Apocalypse 1756. I will kill you wait.

Speaker 2: 46:27

No, I have to read the blood curse. This is, I have the blood curse. Hold on. And the people say, yeah, us guys and our kids gonna be the ones that take the blame. To make a monk what is that word, mackie? To make a mock?

Speaker 3: 46:45

I don't know. All I know is anytime anyone let his blood be upon us and on our people as you say, anytime anyone claims blood libel on twitter, from now on I'm replying with that verse this is.

Speaker 2: 46:56

This is the greatest. I'm only reading the Bible in pigeon, hawaiian pigeon. This is so nuts, he paid for it. You got to bring it up.

Speaker 3: 47:08

Yeah, well, we got a couple of them, hold on we got three of them so far. Oh my gosh, we'll start with Ezekiel 2517. Ezekiel 2517. Jd Trance, who do you want to read it?

Speaker 2: 47:24

me, or me or ann you want to know what's amazing about this. This was not actually part of the plan tonight, like this is so off the cuff.

Speaker 3: 47:40

Wow, anthony, new channel, new okay here we'll have you, do you, do this one all right, wait, where am I sorry, ezekiel 25 I, I go and pay.

Speaker 2: 47:56

Okay, I gonna pay them back real good and punish them. Wait, I lost it because I say who, who we did, then when I punish them, they gonna know that was me the one in charge.

Speaker 3: 48:08

Do all that okay uh we can't really talk like this todd wants us to stay in ezekiel, so we'll. We'll do that. Uh, give me a second.

Speaker 2: 48:21

This is so crazy like they actually talk, like this yeah, not too many of them anymore, probably. I saw a clip of somebody who said there are some segments who are like way more like you. So internet kind of kills dialect because people are watching internet videos. So it kills dialect. Like rob barely speaks like a canadian anymore. Over days, over day, she stay hot up for egypt guys, the private, no, no, todd I gotta start over. I gotta start over hold on hold on.

Speaker 3: 49:09

Hold on hold on anyone with families listening.

Speaker 2: 49:13

Yeah, ear buffs not safe for kids, holy cow, really. Ezekiel and hawaiian pigeon is not safe for kids over there. She stay hot up for her. Egypt guys, they private boss, they big, you're like the donkeys and the sperm they shoot you like from the horses. No way that kid. What is the? What is the new american standard version of that? I don't even want to know. I need to see. Well, maybe go to like we need to see the dewey rames on that or something let's let's read the ones that they want us to read here okay, this show.

Speaker 2: 49:57

how did we get the hawaiian you?

Speaker 3: 50:00

That's how we got it. Okay, five to six.

Speaker 2: 50:09

Oh my gosh, All right, what is that word? The Wahine. The Wahine get one sign on top Her forehead with her name that nobody know before. Babylon, the big town, the mother for all the whores, the mother for all the people all over the world that do real bad kind stuff hold on.

Speaker 2: 50:32

We need a t-shirt with that on the back babylon the big town, babylon, the big town, the mother for all the oas, the mother for all the oas All over the world that do real bad kind stuff. And I see, just like one dream, that the Wahine feel high because she went and killed plenty of people that stay special for God and drink their blood. That's all the ones that when they bleed, and monkey because they tell about Jesus. All right, I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 3: 51:10

I'm sorry, hold on. We got another $20, one that requested you read it. Oh, my gosh, this one here, so give me a second.

Speaker 2: 51:18

You guys are so out of your minds. I want to hear Rob read one. Go, I'll read, uh, the elijah two after that. All right, hold on, I like hearing you go the pigeon.

Speaker 3: 51:32

Right, we gotta, we gotta start. Which book do you think is judges? It just comes before.

Speaker 2: 51:38

It must be local leaders, local leaders dude, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. Okay, here you go, this is for you. Where am I going? 22 yes, the handle. Go inside with the blade too, it would know. Pull out the sword from egglamon belly, then Eglon would go out on top of the lanai. When he go out to the lanai, he shut the doors for the main upstairs from behind Behind him in Lacham Okay.

Speaker 3: 52:18

Guys, please stop sending them.

Speaker 2: 52:20

We do have to get down to this stuff. This is funny, but you can't beat a dead horse, guys, please, no, guys, please, stop sending them. Yeah, stop sending them, we gotta, because we do have to get down this stuff. Come on, this is funny, but you can't you can't beat a dead horse, um dude, this is so crazy. So, all right, you do one and then we'll go to the next topic.

Speaker 3: 52:37

I have a confession I'm on a good day. I have a hard time figuring out where books of the bible are. Where's elijah?

Speaker 2: 52:48

um, but I'm trying to figure out which one of these would be, that's what I'm I know.

Speaker 3: 52:54

Teacher is a teacher.

Speaker 2: 53:00

I mean I could look, I could look, hang on. I mean I don't know the Old Testament that well where it's like Elijah would be.

Speaker 3: 53:14

There's no book of Elijah, right? So then what do you? Okay, so, patrick, you isaiah jeremiah you said ezekiel 223, but then you said oops, elijah, did you really mean ezekiel 223? Okay, never mind, we'll come back to it if we figure that out. Let's go to first corinthians here.

Speaker 2: 53:40

this is where nick is needed. Typical cradles. They don't know their Bible. Elijah is in Kings. Yeah, kings, it's not.

Speaker 3: 53:51

Seven.

Speaker 2: 53:55

Okay, let's see.

Speaker 3: 53:56

We're doing first. We're doing first. Corinthians seven, four the wife, no, the wife, no. Only on what? Where is it First?

Speaker 1: 54:06

Corinthians 7, 4.

Speaker 3: 54:07

The wife no only on her body, but the husband on him too. Same thing the husband no only on his body, but the wife on him too.

Speaker 2: 54:25

I could do this for two hours, cardinal dolan himself.

Speaker 3: 54:30

Smart guys, one smart guys. One one through four bobby inside this book. Get the important kines stuff.

Speaker 2: 54:46

Uh, for makers no, no, you got that wrong inside this book. Get the important kind stuff. You gotta do a kind stuff for makers.

Speaker 3: 54:55

Guys think the kind solomon like, tell us him king david boy, the king for the Israel people. This book has to give you the smarts for the do the right thing every time and for live the way you're supposed to live and for help you understand. For real kindy, for real keeny, that kind of stuff, is it just kind.

Speaker 3: 55:19

The kind stuff you got to know. This book gonna help you understand what's right. So then you're going to do the right thing every time and know how, figure out what's good and what's bad and make some kind to everybody. This book for the people that don't know nothing and easy for a bull-eyed them.

Speaker 2: 55:38

Dude this. What a fun bit. What a fun bit that was I think.

Speaker 3: 55:45

Okay, patrick, if you can figure out what you want us to read, we'll read that, but otherwise Bobby's the last.

Speaker 2: 55:49

Yeah, yeah, come on. This bit's got to end. We can't keep doing it.

Speaker 3: 55:53

Song of Solomon must be love song right.

Speaker 2: 55:56

Yeah, yeah, I would think so.

Speaker 3: 55:59

It's not sad song. Sad song, no love song.

Speaker 2: 56:02

Yeah, as long as I was love song.

Speaker 3: 56:05

Yeah, this is for you. Oh, let's hear it. No, bobby, I knew it.

Speaker 2: 56:16

I hate you, bobby. Your two breasts Look, you gotta be kidding me. Your two breasts is looking, you gotta be kidding me. Your two breasts is. Look nice, just like two baby deers, just like the twin baby deers that go through the lilies Twin baby deers. Twin baby deers that go through the lilies for eat. Dude, this is too much. Alright, guys, this bit is over. No, this bit is over.

Speaker 3: 56:43

No, this bit is over unless patrick can figure out exactly what he wants us to read oh, okay second kings, second kings 220 father, james martin, is asking us why we're gay okay I'll read this one for you, patrick 23 to 24.

Speaker 2: 57:08

What do you do? You think nick would have had fun with this, or do you?

Speaker 3: 57:11

think? I don't know, I think he would just been shaking his head, you think?

Speaker 2: 57:14

you think interior prayer nick wouldn't have been okay with it?

Speaker 3: 57:17

I don't think he wouldn't have read them I know you don't think so no why is a?

Speaker 2: 57:22

it's a bible translation. What do you mean?

Speaker 3: 57:26

from day alicia go up bethel town. When he stay walk, some young guys come out of their town and make fun of him. They tell don't come over here, you bull ahead. He turned around and look at them and he told the one in charge put kahuna on top them because he the one in charge guy. Then two bears come out from the forest and attack the young guys and hurt 42 of them. Then elisha go on from the mount carmel side and from over there he go back some my samaria town dude, you want to know what's crazy.

Speaker 2: 57:56

We just went from talking about like very serious issues in the church and like this, the crisis is very big guys, to this. Yeah, someone was literally actually what we went. We went from like talking about like how the crisis is so big and like we don't know if leo's gonna, let's just let's just read pigeon, hawaiian pigeon someone was even like, um was like criticizing us, saying like, avoiding babylon, just another.

Speaker 3: 58:23

Uh, church politics show, it's like literally the last thing we are I hope that person stuck around for this dude how do we even title this bit for?

Speaker 2: 58:36

like the clip later, because this is one of the funniest bits we've done in a while. As a woman, I feel like I shouldn't be.

Speaker 3: 58:50

I came here for Byzantine Doc and got this Hawaiian shirt and Hawaiian Bible instead wait, we gotta talk, bray you know, what we gotta talk about something, brendan, actually this was very ecumenical no one has reached out to the hawaiians like we just did, except saint jamie, I want to get brie talking too.

Speaker 2: 59:14

Oh, because I like brie. I like her a lot, but she saw one of my tweets going viral and she took the video. I don't think I don't know what you're doing, brie. You saw one of my tweets starting to and she took the video. I don't think I don't know what you're doing, bray. You saw one of my tweets starting to kick off.

Speaker 3: 59:27

You take people's videos, all the time.

Speaker 2: 59:28

No, yes, do I. Yeah, but I credit them when I do it. It's a little different. I just want a little credit. Just throw my name up there, that's all, and then I'll retweet it for you.

Speaker 1: 59:48

No, that's all. And then, and then I, and then I'll retweet it for you. Now, you're all right, I'm just teasing you. Um, my teens were cracking, do we?

Speaker 3: 59:52

have denziger and pigeon. Hold on, if there's anyone from hawaii in this chat, I will pay you not a small sum of money to translate nick's manuals into pigeon so I can send it to him for his birthday my teens are cracking up.

Speaker 2: 1:00:05

God, I'm listening. Yeah, listen, if you guys have young kids that you're trying to get to like Straight to the hell, straight to the hell.

Speaker 1: 1:00:14

If you guys.

Speaker 3: 1:00:16

It's the unique expression of the.

Speaker 2: 1:00:18

Latin Rite we definitely need to retitle this show, like for sure need to retitle this show I.

Speaker 3: 1:00:28

I did mark when we started the pigeon, so that will be his own click clip look, I think that that was the best 20 I ever spent you know what everybody talks about.

Speaker 2: 1:00:44

Like the church and I just wanted to have some fun tonight. I'm a glass and a half of wine in and I'm ready to read some hawaiian pigeon scripture.

Speaker 3: 1:00:53

That's oh, we might be in trouble with the new pope already that did not take long.

Speaker 2: 1:01:06

I want to get Dolan on. I think he'd be a fun time. I think he would be a fun time. I wouldn't get into anything controversial with him.

Speaker 3: 1:01:17

I would just get wine.

Speaker 2: 1:01:22

If Recky sends me a Hawaiian pigeonian pigeon script, I will read it hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3: 1:01:29

You know how I wrote that one script, or I had grok write that one script can you have it remember that I'm gonna uh, I'm gonna ask it if it remembers that script and to rewrite it in a hawaiian pigeon, if it re, if it if it remembers it in hawaiigeon, I will read the next Recusant ad in Hawaii.

Speaker 2: 1:01:44

Dude, that will be the best promo for Recusant ever. Look the thing is, it's very important to remember like we have to be joyful as Catholics. Oh my gosh, it did it. Okay, bring it up.

Speaker 3: 1:02:05

You want me to bring it up?

Speaker 2: 1:02:07

or you just want me to read it. Yeah, whatever, I don't, I'd rather you read it. I don't want to read it. I don't like talking in that stupid accent hey, brah, you know requisite sellers.

Speaker 3: 1:02:17

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Speaker 2: 1:02:46

I'm gonna say this about Dolan real quick, because Dolan's got a big heart man, like I know like everybody takes issue with like those couple of things, but it's the same thing with, um, what's his name? Bishop Baron. Yeah, baron, baron's got his wacky Baltazar stuff, but Baron's a good guy. He's not a bad guy. He believes the faith. I know Dolan loves Our Lady and loves Jesus.

Speaker 1: 1:03:19

What did I sign?

Speaker 2: 1:03:20

up for.

Speaker 1: 1:03:22

This has to be the funniest way to go about it.

Speaker 2: 1:03:31

I just I don't know. You know what it is, because I have I'm half Irish. Don't tell anybody. Don't tell anybody. I'm half Irish, but I am half Irish, or like a quarter Irish or something. I don't know. Whatever the hell I am, I think I'm a quarter. My mom's mom is 100%ish, my mom's dad is 100 italian, my dad's dad is 100 italian, my dad's mom is german and something else I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:03:54

So I'm like I think I'm a quarter a quarter irish, a quarter german and 50 italian. Yeah, yeah, I'm a fake guinea. I'm actually like a mutt. Like I'm just a mutt, I just the italians fuck around. Uh yeah, you guys all have been lied to. I'm a mutt, I'm gonna so like. I have italian guys I work with and they're like you know, italian you're a medic and boy.

Speaker 1: 1:04:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:30

The Italian guys.

Speaker 3: 1:04:32

I work with. They're like, yeah, medic and boy, you know you're a medic and boy I am. Why do the Italians you work?

Speaker 2: 1:04:35

with sound Arabic. All right, I'm not even good in an Italian American accent. I don't know what to tell you. I do. Hawaiian pigeon Awesome, that's all I know.

Speaker 3: 1:04:45

Send them back to almost spit out his wine right into his new mic.

Speaker 2: 1:04:55

Should we stay on YouTube or should we go to the other side?

Speaker 3: 1:04:58

Is there anything we could talk about on the other side. That's worse than what we just did publicly.

Speaker 2: 1:05:02

You tell us if you local supporters want us on the other side, we'll go to the other side. I don't care. I want to give my local supporters what they want bro, I don't think you know what this show is are you kidding me?

Speaker 2: 1:05:17

stop it. What we're doing I'm what I was trying to say is you have to remember, as catholics like you have to laugh and be joyful, and if that's not what this show, that's kind of what Rob and I try to bring to this arena it got a little off track, maybe for a while, but I feel like it's coming back.

Speaker 2: 1:05:34

I want everybody to when they watch our show. Our show is a comedy show. For the most part it's Catholic content but jokes mixed in, and I want everybody to laugh when they watch our show. I don't want dread and doom, unless I'm talking about the end of the world, and then I want you guys all think you're going to hell in two seconds, like that's just how it is like.

Speaker 3: 1:05:53

there are some shows where we'll have a guest on, where you will learn stuff about the catholic faith, for sure, but most of what we do it's it's just having fun with other Catholics. That's all it is, because a lot of us don't have other Catholics in our lives, in our daily lives, to talk to and have just good fun conversations with. So that's what this is.

Speaker 2: 1:06:17

I'll say this, man, the past couple of shows, like I've really looked forward to, like there's some days where I dread doing the show because I'm tired. But since the ignorant interregnum, since the interregnum, I have loved every show. But we all bought tickets to lv is super jazz? No, come on, we're just yeah, it's a catholic hangout. That's what this show is and it's like I don't know. I just try you make everyone else seem so boring You're with the whole other podcast. But that is literally our goal. That is what we wanted to do. We want everyone to when they hear our show go. How the hell am I going back to listening to this guy speaking to a mic by himself and lecture me Doing this?

Speaker 3: 1:07:09

to listening to this guy speaking to a mic by himself and lecture me doing this show ruined.

Speaker 2: 1:07:11

Other like listening to catholic content. For me it really did not. Me, I still love. There's still a lot of guys I like, I really do, I love, like I've I spend a lot of time in. So there's the thing is, uh, every morning I drive into work and I'm I'm driving, driving in and I'm trying to use Siri to talk to Anthony Stein. Super, uh, anthony Stein's chat. I love Anthony Stein show. I watch it every morning on the way.

Speaker 2: 1:07:30

In Joe McLean show I check out every single day. I love both of those guys a lot. Those are the guys I check out every single day. The other guys they gotta be talking about something I want. You know what I mean. Like, like, I'll check the other guys out if it's like a topic I want to hear. But those those guys are I just like Anthony Stein gives you the news, whatever the top story is for the day, and I and I check that out and I hang out in his chat. It's his chat, likes that. I'm hanging out with them. Same thing with Joe McLean. When Joe McLean shows on show is on, sometimes I'm just making fun of joe the whole show, like telling him how much I would rather jake, the producer, be the host, and I wish joe would just get off screen, and that's most of my time spent in his chat how much do you think we'd have to pay theo howard to read stuff in pigeon?

Speaker 3: 1:08:16

how hilarious would that be. That would be.

Speaker 2: 1:08:20

That would be funny, right the point is, we want everybody to come here and have fun we're now the hawaiian word telecommunication I get the feeling rob has never what, oh for sure. No, yeah, rob would rather listen to some like four-hour lecture on how, like, if you load the clip in a certain way, it's better for the gun. It's a magazine, whatever, I don't know. I got a shotgun, what do I know. Like Rob is such a nerd, yeah, like.

Speaker 3: 1:09:01

For Gods and Weapons is one of my favorites.

Speaker 2: 1:09:06

It's just ian talking for hours about history of gun design, but part of part of this is um, like the dynamic between it because you are so reserved. Yes, 100, I absolutely do. Like I like hanging with the boys. He's definitely calling you gay.

Speaker 3: 1:09:25

I know he is, but I don't care, I prefer to just chill with the boys.

Speaker 2: 1:09:31

I like getting you to come out of your shell. I find it fun to get you to talk and say things you would never normally do. I think it's hilarious.

Speaker 3: 1:09:44

I'll kill you, todd, I'll kill you.

Speaker 2: 1:09:48

Trained in AI at Anthony's Boys. I want to see that. Bring that up.

Speaker 1: 1:09:52

I've trained in AI God.

Speaker 3: 1:09:56

Of Anthony's Boys, to narrate Jane Austen. No soothing Puts me tight to sleep every time.

Speaker 2: 1:10:09

All right.

Speaker 3: 1:10:09

We're going gonna go over to locals we owe our local supporters.

Speaker 2: 1:10:11

If you guys think this side is fun, you have no idea what we do over on locals, so if you're not a local supporter. It's five bucks, but you guys are so cheap. If you're not a local supporter, seriously stop it like. Get over there, pay the five bucks.

Speaker 3: 1:10:24

We do it every episode all future hawaiian pigeon will be on locals only yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2: 1:10:31

So let's head over there. We're gonna go over the other side.

Speaker 3: 1:10:33

Thank you all. Let me put the link for everyone in the chat here thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:10:37

It's not near a hundred dollars a year, it's forty dollars or forty five dollars a year, not forty five dollars a year. Forty five dollars, you pay one time, you get it for a year there's. It's really a great deal and you and you're supporting your favorite show and we make all other shows boring. And all your favorite guys out there watch our show. They just won't tell anybody publicly because they're embarrassed to say they involve themselves with riffraff like us. Wait on locals what anthony anthony reads fabio novels in hawaii, them breastses. Wait, wait, wait, whoa. We gotta address something. I heard whoa, not that. Wait, I keep missing it. I heard Ghost of Aunt Jemima and Grover are engaged. Is that real or is that just like a meme for the show Where's Grover tonight by the?

Speaker 3: 1:11:32

way. Oh, he was in here, but we weren't putting his stuff up on screen, so I think he left.

Speaker 2: 1:11:41

I think they're an item. Is it real, for real? I don't know if it's a thing in the chat or if it's real. I want to see Grover, this little wiseass, grover's a wiseass Phil Phil Phil just exudes negativity. I love him. He's my second favorite person in the chat he's like me, except less fun. He just yeah, he just exudes negativity. He hates everyone. He hates trads, he hates normies. He hates everybody. It's not normal. I like it. It's not normal. It's not normal. Nobody should hate everyone like this.

Speaker 3: 1:12:21

It's not normal I don't know I I understand that for sure. Rob literally hates everybody okay, are we ready?

Speaker 2: 1:12:33

all right, yeah, we're going to the other side. If you guys are not local supporters, you suck everybody that is a local supporter. We'll see in three minutes take us out?

Speaker 3: 1:12:40

were you just telling me today that if it was up to me, we would never have anyone on the show, because I hate everyone?

Speaker 2: 1:12:46

If you're not a local supporter you suck. No, because they know they suck. Grover's here. Jemima is my icon. Alright, we're out. We're going to locals. If you're not a local supporter, you suck. We'll see you guys that are local supporters on the other side, I know you. I know who that person is. Molly, me too, I know who that person is.

Speaker 3: 1:13:13

It's not even hard to guess.

Speaker 2: 1:13:15

No, he was on the show a few times recently. All right, we're out.

Speaker 3: 1:13:22

Okay, all right, we're out okay, we are.

Speaker 2: 1:13:37

Only that was that was fun. That was fun, man. Like there are some shows that you do where you're just like you just know, because it went by so like we did an hour and 10 and I looked I was like holy cow, we're over an hour already. Like it just went so fast. For sure, man, what a mess that show was. We were all over the place. We started with nick mrs casey goes.

Speaker 3: 1:14:00

I miss what you said about my comment if we switched over wait, I gotta, I gotta.

Speaker 2: 1:14:06

Oh, she missed it. I have to pull up.

Speaker 3: 1:14:08

Uh, locals, hang on, let me see uh, molly, we were just saying we definitely know who you're talking we know, yes, we do know and you know what everyone else in the chat does, because they just said all the same too wait I have to uh lou prevoss in our chat says brah the pigeon, bible the best, because jesus no talk, all high, high, maka, maka. He talked like the local brothers, straight up.

Speaker 2: 1:14:33

No palikia, you read them all right, I gotta log into locals. Hang on wait. Why can't I just get into?

Speaker 3: 1:14:41

From now on, all my work emails are being written in Hawaiian pigeon. How amazing would that be. And you know what? If anyone gives me shit, I'll just show them my shirt and be like yo, it's my people.

Speaker 2: 1:14:55

Dude, how freaking funny would that be. Okay, wait, I have to log into local so I can see the chat.

Speaker 1: 1:15:01

Ha ha.

Speaker 3: 1:15:04

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2: 1:15:05

And what ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha. He made us a Hawaiian pigeon. Yo yo wait. I want to ask the locals for like was that a fun show to? Be fair, hawaiian me just kind of looks like eric cabara rob robinson, albino, samoan, my ponytail, um, okay, so wait, we do have content for locals tonight. Do we what we're gonna talk about? We actually have content for locals. Uh, this minute, paul.

Speaker 3: 1:15:46

Paul says, everyone says that was the best show ever. All right, tim, tim should redo his rarum navarum and hope. Oh my gosh, we could do that and we could have a rarum navarum stream.

Speaker 2: 1:16:00

But we'll have grok translated to pigeon and read that wait, I honestly I want when, when we make that clip, like rob's gonna make that a clip, we're gonna do like we gotta give it a good title. But I need you guys all to share that one, because that one. If we can get that outside of like our normal, that one could go big I haven't laughed like that in a long time, like I was dying laughing reading that looks like this.

Speaker 3: 1:16:28

Yeah, but read the one below that we should record something we should record hawaiian pigeon for all I'm gonna actually message alex from hallo once we have that clip out, that's what you should do, yeah I'll, I'll tag him on it.

Speaker 2: 1:16:43

I'll say alex, you need me to read for hallow, let me know um. All right, let me see what do we have, because I do have a lot of stuff tonight show was more funny than any of the comedy content.

Speaker 2: 1:16:55

Matt frad has spent his own money creating sorry guys, I even the uh, like the frat jokes. I hope he's because he's gonna hear them. Yeah, I hope he knows I was kidding, like I was just trying to be funny, like it was too funny of a joke to not make. Matt, you settle down. You're crying about everything, relax.

Speaker 3: 1:17:18

Like it was just just funny I mean he put, he put it right out there.

Speaker 2: 1:17:24

I mean, he does cry about everything guys.

Speaker 7: 1:17:26

Anytime somebody mentions.

Speaker 2: 1:17:27

Jesus, he's weeping, You're like settle down, guy we get it. You're a very emotional man. All right, wait, we have stuff. I want to actually address something, not even the Father Isaac clip. I want to do the.

Speaker 3: 1:17:46

Orthodox Luigi is never coming on. We have a 5-4 height limit on this show okay, moscow's problem go up.

Speaker 2: 1:17:54

I wanted to actually discuss this with you. This is a serious subject. We're going from funny to serious, but on locals, yes, we're going funny to serious because I want to see if there's anything to this. Somebody sent this to me and I only listened for the first 30 seconds, but it was like, ooh, there's something to this.

Speaker 3: 1:18:11

Did you actually send it to me?

Speaker 2: 1:18:14

It's in the DM. It's a tweet from One Tall Order, oh okay, okay, okay. To all our respected brothers, the patriarch guys, the big kahunas, archbishops and all the other church leaders. Who stay in peace and aloha with the Pope and the apostolic honor.

Speaker 3: 1:18:46

And I have an alt idea. We need to create a Pontifex underscore pigeon account.

Speaker 2: 1:18:53

Oh my gosh Every tweet.

Speaker 3: 1:18:55

He tweets will translate into pigeon and tweet.

Speaker 2: 1:18:59

That would actually be freaking funny. I have the account to do it with. Okay, we'll switch the Cavazos account over to Pontifex Hawaiian pigeon. That would actually be freaking funny. I have the account to do it with.

Speaker 2: 1:19:09

We'll switch the Cavazos account over to Pontifex. Hawaiian Pigeon, vatican II, novus Ordo. Oh wait, what are we doing? I thought you were going to do that in Hawaiian Pigeon Maccabees. Now, I thought you were going to send us something in Hawaiian Pigeon. What Can you automate that To like? Automatically do it, anthony, what are you? I don't know what you're saying, mrs Casey, me either. Alright, so let's play this Serious guy. Stop it, go in serious mode.

Speaker 5: 1:19:47

Both a nightmare and a perfect opportunity has fallen into Moscow's lap. Their enemy, the true Rome, has elected an American pontiff. The enemies of the West and pretenders of orthodoxy are now able to connect Catholicism with their enemy, the United States. They've been coalition building with Catholics for a decade by highlighting the left-wing disorientation of the former Pope. Now their narratives are going to be able to unite their hatred of Catholicism to their hatred of the United States. Not only is the Vicar of Christ an American, he is pro-Ukraine and called Russia wicked.

Speaker 5: 1:20:34

What are the Muscovite propagandists in Catholic clothing going to do with this? This Alexander Dugin, speaking to a Polish journalist in 1998, gives hints of how the Russian special services handle Catholicism in Poland. He says Poland must choose an identity either Slavic or Catholic. If it remains Catholic, it will become a conflict zone. It will become a conflict zone. He says that it is necessary to break down Catholicism from the inside, Strengthen Polish Freemasonry, support secular movements, promote heterodox and anti-papal Christianity. Catholicism cannot be absorbed by our tradition unless it is deeply reoriented towards nationalist and anti-papal Reorient Catholicism toward a heterodox and even esoteric direction. They use the same methods for the worldwide church as dugan outlined, subverting is this what belladonna was talking?

Speaker 5: 1:21:50

about he mentioned using only this is a long video.

Speaker 2: 1:21:54

yeah, I I only watched up to like this point and I was like, oh, this is actually intriguing, like isn't this what Bella Dodd was talking about? Talking about infiltrating the church? So now there's an American Pope and America's at war, essentially at war with Moscow.

Speaker 3: 1:22:15

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:22:17

And the other thing I watched. To be fair, though, that's.

Speaker 3: 1:22:22

It's not really Moscow's fault, it's.

Speaker 2: 1:22:26

America's fault. Yeah, no, no, I don't deny that. I agree with that.

Speaker 2: 1:22:29

But, um, but that. So remember the last show I I said to you. I said the things I actually worry about with leo are his, because he's an american and if he does lean liberal like he, probably because he's already spoken out about ukraine and he's called russia's war a war of aggression and things like that. So now he's the pope. How does he remain neutral after those comments? I hope he does, because it's just, it's just an interesting dynamic that I you know.

Speaker 3: 1:23:05

So the soviet union fell in the sense that, like they got rid of communism, right, but but it was because gorbachev in you, uh, in his program that's called glass nost, which is um means more or less like opening. Like they realized communism had failed and they what? What Gorbachev was attempting to do was slowly and carefully shed the communist economy right For a more open I wouldn't say completely free market, but for a more open economy, to to get more money to where they would. They, I mean russia is very much authoritarian by nature, they just are. It's the people that that likes having a strong leader, whereas americans we are. We are very I don't want, I don't mean libertarian and like the political revolutionary heart.

Speaker 3: 1:24:10

We're very individualist individualist, you know, in nature, by nature, um.

Speaker 3: 1:24:19

So russia, I mean russia, communism might be gone, but the soviet union mentality is still there, um, and it's. I don't think it can ever really be shed until they restore some sort of monarchy, because the russian monarchy actually always had a very close working relationship with a lot of catholic monarchies, especially with the hapsburg monarchy in austria. That that had deteriorated somewhat prior to the world war one, but like the 1800s they were part of the holy league right and and things like that with austria. So I think, you know, I don't think like the russian people are necessarily an enemy of the american people and I don't think the even the russian church is inherently an enemy of like the catholic church. Um, I mean they obviously, you know they, they are in schism and in in some heresy and stuff, obviously. But I think if, if they were to restore a monarchy and not have their church under control of mosque, more or less the, the remnant of what was the kgb, I think there'd be a lot more, a lot more of a better chance for peace.

Speaker 2: 1:25:37

Yeah, I think I man this, this all just goes because the other thing I watched today was Ross Douthat.

Speaker 2: 1:25:45

Ross Douthat is a New York Times columnist but he's Catholic and he had a conversation with a guy about AI and the the way this guy was talking about AI. If you guys haven't checked that conversation out, it's just look up ross duthat's channel. It was one of the most intense conversations I've ever heard. Man like this guy was talking about how the things that are going to happen with ai in the next few years and just how power is going to congregate around very few people, like it's going to be, which is like amazing that pope leo is going to address these issues. And that's kind of what I was talking about how, like, regardless of who the man robert prevost was, the world events that are going to happen in the next few years can shape louis le Leo, louie Leo the 14th, very differently than he may have intention of going into this papacy, like he may think he's going to do one thing and then world events could coalesce around him where he just goes.

Speaker 2: 1:26:48

Whoa Cause I look the thing is, yes, there's a there's a sense of calm in the church right now. That hasn't been there in a while, but that doesn't change my opinion of the things that are happening in the world, like the, the world seems like it's like humanity seems like it's racing toward a cliff right now yeah, we've talked about this so many times right where it's like whether it's the end of everything or just the end of the american story because, man, things are so tense throughout the entire world right now. It's like I really do think world events are going to shape this man in a way that maybe he will be the Pope of restoration because of those events. We don't know, like we don't know, what God has in store. I just know that God will be and he will very much guide his church.

Speaker 3: 1:27:40

I think we're going to find that the real problem with ai isn't going to be some um, some ai becoming sentient and and pulling a skynet on us. I think the real problem we're gonna find with ai is like, like you said, those who control ai are going to become, you know, technocrats like we've never seen. It's not going to so much be America versus Russia versus China.

Speaker 3: 1:28:05

It might be people like Elon Musk versus Sam Altman, versus whoever has AI in China, like you might have whoever's running AI in China take over the chinese communist party, or something like that, you know I mean, I think we're gonna find it's not gonna be nations versus nations, it's gonna be oligarch versus oligarch.

Speaker 2: 1:28:25

And yeah, that's what this guy was saying. He's saying like power is going to coalesce around whoever is running these ais. He also did talk the skynet stuff too. He was like he's like what if, like, the ai just goes off on its own and decides to launch all our nuclear because there is a danger in ai having control of all of our military systems? But I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:28:52

But it's not going to be us, as america, giving control of those systems to AI. It's going to be one or two individuals doing that. At that point, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:29:05

Yeah this is a deep topic. It was just a pretty crazy one.

Speaker 3: 1:29:09

Gunner says I didn't expect my cyberpunk dystopia to be so gay.

Speaker 2: 1:29:15

Right Blade Runner made it seem cool, cool, it's really just gay it's just nuts the world we're living in, man, and I, like I've resigned myself to just allow god to be god at this point and just say I don't. I'm not going to be able to predict what's happening in the church, clearly, but I do think world events could very much dictate what happens in the church and that the church will respond to the call.

Speaker 3: 1:29:43

That's necessary, because the church always does can you imagine how badass it would be if leo leads a new crusade against our ai overlords that would be pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 1:29:56

So, like uh, father isaac, you want to play the father isaac clip.

Speaker 3: 1:29:59

Let's play. That's what we were going to talk about yeah, we'll do the father isaac clip um.

Speaker 2: 1:30:04

And just because I do want to discuss some of the things he's talking about, because he's not crazy and he's not doom pilling, in my opinion, he's kind of. It's kind of like it's not red pilling, because red pilling is like waking up to something, but it is kind of just the reality of the situation and, like I know we're all excited about this new Pope. I do, I understand it, but you have to remember that this battle is way bigger than just Francis was.

Speaker 4: 1:30:30

Your own mother and father didn't have it. Your grandparents had it, relatives had it, but how many generations have we had now that don't have it? And so it's just so far gone. There's been nothing you want to say. Any catechesis that's been going on for the last 60 years is mostly either just weak, poor, but even heretical, so people don't even know.

Speaker 4: 1:30:56

I mean a pope, what a pope is, what he's supposed to do, what he's supposed to do. Condemn errors. Condemn errors. Speak clear. Let your Lord say, let your yes mean yes and your no mean no. And he talks about. He wants to bring peace. There is no peace without Christ. Therefore, there's no peace without the true teachings of Christ, what Christ has taught us. And so this is all nonsense about all this peace and you hear all this stuff. But how can there ever be peace once again until Christ reigns, not only in our hearts, in the church, in the world? I mean it's unbelievable what's going on. I just can't take it no more. You hear all this nonsense. I mean I don't know. I'm lost for words.

Speaker 4: 1:31:43

I think it's a time, my friends, we today chose to have the show, you know, this podcast, on the feast of Lady Fatima. She's our only hope. My friends, and this is what I believe I told you. If you go back to my last podcast, I warned you that we're going to get Francis on steroids Once again. It's going to be a nicer tone, not aggressive, but is the truth going to be preached? Is the errors going to be condemned? And the answer is let's see what happens. But how can I say? I'm going by what he has told us, what he's told the cardinals, how we're going to continue on the path to Francis. He's made that clear. And so what's that? Francis cost nothing. You talk about division. I don't think there's been any pope in the history of the church sitting on the seat of Peter that caused division like that. No, I mean no. And so what's the? How's he going to do this? How's he going to heal the all these divisions?

Speaker 2: 1:32:43

You know they say division you know, good, we'll, we'll keep playing it, but, um, I don't think he's wrong. I mean, that's what I'm trying to say about. He's not going to be able to heal these drastic divisions, he's really not. He's going to have to make a choice, which France has made the choice to bring the Germans in and kind of cut the trads out. This Pope was going to have to make the show. If he brings the trads in, he has to cut the Germans out, like there's no, and the Germans are going to have to become the schismatics, because you can't have the German bishops in the same body as us. They're there, they believe a literal different religion. They want women priests, they want gay marriage. They like that's not Catholicism.

Speaker 3: 1:33:36

So this Pope is going to have going to have some very, very rough waters to navigate to um, you know, I've heard people say that maybe one reason that that leo was chosen as an american was to get the american money turned back on. Now a lot of people who say that seem to think like that sort of move would be done by, like, the liberal arm of the church. Right, I think that sort of move is going to be required. Before you you have a schism with the germans, because what most people don't realize is that the german church actually provides the most money, more money than the americans, because of the.

Speaker 3: 1:34:22

Because of german tax law, you have to um, if you are a part of any religion, you claim that religion on your taxes and they actually withhold a percentage of your money to be donated to that church. So anyone who's Catholic in Germany automatically has money withheld from them and donated to the Catholic church in Germany. So even though Catholics in Germany are a much smaller number than in America, there's a lot more money for the church.

Speaker 2: 1:34:54

It's essentially forced donation, so it's like they do get it now america was.

Speaker 3: 1:35:00

I don't know if we're second behind them, but we're second or third somewhere around there. Yeah, uh, so they, you know they might want to get that money turned back on before they touch the.

Speaker 2: 1:35:12

This is why this is why I said schism is coming. I just don't know where the schism is going to lie, right. It's just it has to come, because you can't have these two different religions inside the body of Christ. It's just, we're at a tipping point, right? So I want to see what Leo does, and I do think we owe charity to the Holy Father, otherwise you're basically saying Sedefekante. So we have to be behind the pope and we have to hope that he does what needs to be done here and people just have to be realistic.

Speaker 3: 1:35:42

There was, even if we'd gotten burke or sarah there was, it was not going to be 180 degree change no, it would have been because, burke and sarah have some of the same issues that leo has and that jp2 had and that benedict had.

Speaker 1: 1:35:56

Like yeah, like we have to this is a long-term that's so.

Speaker 2: 1:36:02

That's kind of what. That's what. So that's what father isaac is talking about here. So the first of a lot of people are asking what accent is that? I think father isaac's from ozone park, I'm pretty sure, or at least from queens. I know Isaac's from Ozone Park, I'm pretty sure, or at least from Queens. I know he's from Queens. That's how I talk off air. It's not too far off. Anthony's being pretty serious actually, that's actually my accent when I'm off air, but what he's saying is not wrong at all.

Speaker 2: 1:36:34

He's just being realistic about it and it's like yeah, we got this new Pope and everybody's excited about him and everybody's behind them. But the problems, the problem was never Francis. Francis just kind of brought the problem to light for those of us who were willing to look at the, the, the real issues. So I do see Francis as God's provenidence in some way where it woke us, woke a lot of us up to see like the real revolution that was happening.

Speaker 3: 1:37:02

I think you're right. I think I think the person who's going to be the next Pius, pius the 10th, will probably be born to people who were woken up under Francis Right, like like there there was.

Speaker 2: 1:37:20

That could be a millennial pope right.

Speaker 3: 1:37:24

I don't know if any of the If any millennials right now would be priests. I don't think there's any. Any priest right now was raised in the errors right, so I think it's's gonna have to be like gen alpha, or what they're calling gen beta well, it depends who pope leo elevates to the cardinal.

Speaker 3: 1:37:48

It it does. Yes, but that's what I mean, like I think, like there was not another pious there's, you know, there was no bishop or cardinal like Pius X that even exists right now, right, yeah, so it's going to have to be someone a generation or two or three younger, better bishops than Francis, and you know, better priests all these so-called conservative and Orthodox priests we hear about will ideally educate even better priests, you know, and it's going to be a slow transition. It's not going to happen overnight.

Speaker 2: 1:38:28

Yeah, it's not, unless by some miracle of God, right? Yeah, so that's what Father Isaac eventually gets into and he talks about. The only thing that's going to save us is the chastisement of Fatima, and that could be part of this too, because I don't know if we have centuries left.

Speaker 3: 1:38:45

I really do see world events escalating so quickly that you see them escalating so quickly that you say it continuously for the last three or four years escalating so quickly that they've been.

Speaker 2: 1:38:57

You say it continuously for the last three or four years, I think. Before trump's term is up, you see the world at war and I have. That's my position. Before trump's term is up, the world is at war the world is already at war not even I'm talking world war ii levels. The world is at war. I'm saying europe is at war. I'm saying america is at war. Not, there's pakistan and india. I'm saying the world is at war we'll see I said, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:39:27

So the only priest I know that could actually have restored the church is father maudsley maudsley.

Speaker 3: 1:39:38

Maudsley is the only one I know it, and it's not just because of what he believes. Like that, that man who believes what many people consider to be way out their stuff is like the most pastoral and charitable like man I've ever talked to and says the truth, no matter the cost, yes, and does it in a.

Speaker 2: 1:40:02

I've never known a man with more charity and conviction. And the things he's saying, he's saying because he believes them from the depth of his being. He's not saying them to be. He's not saying them to be obnoxious. He's not saying them to be any.

Speaker 3: 1:40:24

He's just saying them because, uh, I, just I the the thing is he's the only priest I know that I think would would say what he's I don't know, that's just that's the only one I know For anyone listening who doesn't know like, yes, he's been canceled from YouTube and stuff like that, but like he's, he has been like, really actually persecuted in the past. He was in a Burmese prison for for at least a year, right A year or two, two years.

Speaker 2: 1:40:54

Now, this was 48 months. How long is that? That's four years. That's four years.

Speaker 3: 1:40:59

Four years. At this point I think he would say he was maybe wrong on the issues there Because that was before his priesthood. I think that was even before his real conversion back to the church, right? But the man knows how to suffer for what he believes in. He has. He has really. You know, walk the walk and talk, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:41:20

Yeah, look, and and he's talking about the most difficult issue facing our culture. He just says I mean, you're seeing that issue pop up everywhere in our culture right now. So it's one of those things where it's the most difficult. Is that a tall joke? It's one of those things where it's the most difficult. Is that a tall joke? It's one of the one of the most difficult things to talk about. But I don't, I don't know, man, I see it popping up everywhere in the mainstream and I don't know, I, I don't, I don't see any of the clergy willing to speak about it. That's why we were kind of hoping for pizza ball like pizza ball, because he sees the reality of the situation on the ground, but at the same time, bring up the pizza ball article at the same time, it might be best he's still over there yeah, bring up the pizza ball article, because there was some interesting things in that.

Speaker 2: 1:42:14

Do you guys see, we went from comedy to serious. You see, the the range rob and I have come on appreciate it I can't.

Speaker 2: 1:42:23

I kind of missed the pigeon that was a fun bit holy land reflects on conclave inconceivable gaza situation. So cardinal pizzabala, the latin patriarch of jerusalem, speaks during a news conference at the patriarchate headquarters in the old city of jerusalem. He just returned from the vatican where he attended the conclave, which is on its second, which, on its second day, elected cardinal robert francisost, now Pope Leo XIV. The importance of continuity and diversity, as well as the issues of war and peace, were a main topic of conversation for the Cardinals as they gathered to vote in the conclave, said Pizzabala. Pierre Batista Pizzabala, latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, on May 8th, he and the other Cardinals all right, come on, let's get to the good stuff At comments. In his first press conference since returning to Jerusalem, he said the discussion around the situation in Gaza and Ukraine took an important place in the conclave conversations, but he noted that there are currently more than 50 conflicts in the world that also need to be remembered.

Speaker 2: 1:43:32

The Cardinals are coming from all over the world, from South Sudan, where the situation is not very different. Everyone brought their concerns, and war and pursuit of peace was central. You can't talk about theology without mentioning life. The life of the church is not separate from the life of the world. It is very present. While the church will not be involved in political discussions, it can't be silent and needs to speak out and advocate for peace. He called the situation in Gaza inconceivable. We can't understand this and we can't accept this. We call on all people to resolve this conflict in a different way. Starvation is not solving the situation, is only making it worse. This is not acceptable. It is no way to resolve a conflict. It is only creating hate.

Speaker 2: 1:44:14

Pope Francis had made it a point to be in touch with, yet to be seen with the, you know, the Gaza Holy family parish on a regular basis. In response to another question about the situation for Christians in Syria, the patriarch noted that the life of Christians in the Middle East has never been easy as they have. They already have for years. We are facing lots of trouble in syria and iraq. We are in continued contact. We can't solve major problems, but we can express solidarity and closeness. The church supports them from the humanitarian point of view. He said cardinal pizza balla, who was created cardinal by pope francis in 2023, at the same time as the newly elected. So so pizzabala and uh leo were created cardinals at the same consistory, which is interesting they're both about the same age too.

Speaker 2: 1:45:05

A pizza ball is, I think, four years younger but you see he's also talking about the same things. Leo was with diversity and stuff, so I I don't know how different a pizza ball of candidacy would have been.

Speaker 3: 1:45:20

Yeah, I get the sense that maybe they're not all that different, right.

Speaker 2: 1:45:24

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:45:26

Because everyone talked about how pizza ball was good on the piece and Israel stuff and seemed like to some of the liturgical bells and and smells, but no one knew if he was really a traditionalist in that regard.

Speaker 2: 1:45:41

And now he offered himself as a hostage to hamas, but I can't imagine leo wouldn't have done the same in his situation. They seem very similar. Like I don't. I don't. I don't think leo is a liberal. Like I don't. I just don't think Leo is a liberal Like. I just don't think he's a liberal like in the American sense.

Speaker 3: 1:46:01

Right, Not a liberal Catholic right. Some of his economics and stuff might be liberal for Americans, but he's not a left.

Speaker 2: 1:46:11

Catholic.

Speaker 3: 1:46:12

He's the impression I'm starting to get anyways.

Speaker 2: 1:46:15

Yeah, I don't think that's what we're dealing with. So I'm I'm really hoping that these things that happen in the world will help form his sense of what his papacy needs to look like. So I look, I'm still. I'm still kind of hopeful about it. Father mosley is not to be trusted. Israel will conquer the infidels. Pizza paul is the only jewish christian who. It's from ben shapiro you sickos.

Speaker 3: 1:46:47

My chest tattoo is a cairo symbol with in hawk signal vintages above it.

Speaker 2: 1:46:55

And no, I'm not buttoning up because it's 85 degrees in this room yeah, I just think, uh, look the, the issues facing the church are way bigger than pope francis. So I I do think we got to reprieve from that, but I think the so like the battlefield has changed, but the war goes on and we're hopefully in a better position than we were a year ago. That's all I that's. That's just how I see it. I see it as we're in a better position than we were a year ago. I do not see leo as this secret trad that a lot of people are talking about. Like he's just not that, but he's better than francis and I'm happy to have it. What now?

Speaker 3: 1:47:38

Someone goes what's chest and pigeon Paul? Paul goes, and then he goes your breast is is. Have the tattoos, brother.

Speaker 2: 1:47:47

I don't have a chest tattoo, and the only tattoo I have is a cross on my back.

Speaker 3: 1:47:58

A cross on my back. Bobby, button up, take it off douches, supplicants.

Speaker 2: 1:48:02

You guys have me now. The situation is way better. Yeah, like it's like. I don't want to deny that the situation is better.

Speaker 3: 1:48:09

How, how um, how do you reconcile that with what you were saying before the conclave?

Speaker 2: 1:48:14

though I don't think a benedict the 17th is what the church needed and that with what you were saying before the conclave, though I don't think a benedict the 17th is what the church needed and that's what it seems like we got. Um, I don't think that's what's going to fix the problems in the church. What I'm hoping is the the problems in the world form this pope, but do you now?

Speaker 3: 1:48:33

after a week because you were saying it's the worst thing that could happen. Do you still believe that?

Speaker 2: 1:48:42

Well, I was an accelerationist in the church. I would rather have had an outright Francis the second or a Pope Leo the 14th. We got a Pope Leo the 14th. The question is, is he a Francis the second? And I don't think he's a Francis II. I think he's more of a Benedict XVII and I thought that was the worst case scenario, because the problem with that is what I'm seeing from everybody else and that's when I see, because I love these guys. It's not about what my opinion of them is, but when I see all the, I see the trad love affair, I'm worried that they have let their guard down to the bigger issue I'm I'm okay with the, the so-called love affair, as long as, as long as they're still willing to call error out when it arises.

Speaker 2: 1:49:38

Yeah, but bring up the Father Murray interview, because this is what in the church itself. These are the beginner steps. They're not even the only steps.

Speaker 8: 1:49:54

They're the beginner steps that need to be addressed. A few ideas he needs to roll back fiducia supplicans and amoris laetitia. The main and principal job of the Roman pontiff is to confirm the brethren in the faith, which means to strengthen them in professing what is true Catholic teaching, not error or innovations that are erroneous and undermine Catholic teaching. So the notion that Pope Francis put forward that homosexuals who become a couple, which means that they enter into a sexual relationship, that they as couples, are blessable by a priest, this is a notion repugnant to Catholic doctrine. We do not bless sin. And the odd thing is, of course, pope Francis had, before Fiducia Supremacons, a year and a half previously, authorized the publication of a document from the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith saying we do not bless sin, rejecting pressure for blessing same-sex or homosexual couples. So you don't have to go too far back to say we're going to return to what the Doctrine of the Faith said and we're going to abolish or do just supplicants. And that's an act of real charity because it's telling people who are in homosexual relationships the church loves you so much that we're going to rebuke the sin you've entered into, to call you to repentance, because you know what's at stake here is your eternal salvation. So that is of course, what needs to be done. Same with the Morris Letizia that document.

Speaker 8: 1:51:32

The eighth chapter, in particular particular, is regrettable. We do not allow people who are in adulterous relationships to receive Holy Communion, because adultery is a mortal sin and people who enter into such relationships publicly are not given Holy Communion. Pope Francis changed that. That has to go back. We can't continue that. Likewise, the moral theology in the eighth chapter of Amoris Hittites has to be rejected, because it essentially says that at times, for some people, the commandments of God's law are impossible and God doesn't expect obedience. That's repugnant. That is something that has to be removed. So those are two things. I start with the third one, you can guess Latin mass liberation. We just talked about that. A fourth thing would be that we should reaffirm that salvation is uniquely found in Jesus Christ and that other religions are attempts to find God and to discover pathways of union with God, but that God has revealed the one pathway his son Jesus Christ. So the notion that other religions are pathways to.

Speaker 2: 1:52:48

God, no, yeah, that's basically it. Those are his core steps. Now, those are beginner steps. Those don't even fix everything.

Speaker 3: 1:53:00

I was going to say like that doesn't even touch, like the vatican two stuff, obviously no those are the baby steps.

Speaker 2: 1:53:04

But joe said to him give me your four things, right, right. So it's amorous leticia. Uh, tradition owners, custodians, fiducia, supplicants and the all, all religions lead to god thing. So those are good. First four steps, and those would placate 90% of your faithful Catholics today that go even the Novus Ordo, but they don't talk Catholic practice.

Speaker 3: 1:53:35

I think attacking Amoris Laetitita would piss off a lot of so-called faithful catholics.

Speaker 2: 1:53:42

Yeah, probably the other half of them are probably divorced and remarried but he also doesn't touch on fasting, and and that's the thing that, like originally, we were going to talk about in this show, because what leo said to the christian, the eastern catholics was like this reverence for their fasting and their prayer, and you know. So some of the biggest damage that has happened to catholics is the, the loosening of just the and that started 200 years ago yeah, so but then also getting into no sure it's hot day and like all that stuff, like there's.

Speaker 2: 1:54:24

There's a lot of problems that have to get that, so but those would be a great first four steps and I don't even think we're getting that from leo and that's what I'm saying so like, and you also would not have gotten that.

Speaker 2: 1:54:37

Hey, okay, you maybe would have gotten some of it from burke and sarah so I'm just yeah, yeah, but I'm also just saying temper your expectations and understand what we're in. Like we're in a very we're in a war and one battle has been won. That we, that we think it's just, it's just a very big situation. And I don't want to, I don't want to delude myself into thinking, oh, everything's great now we don't have francis anymore, that's just. Francis was not the main issue. I mean, he was a big issue. It's definitely a big issue, but he was the most pressing issue. Yes, he was the most pressing issue by far. And that pressure, that pressing issue is dealt with. But now, like we continue to care about these things because these things are a big deal, and what happened is what Father Isaac was talking about is like man, the catechesis is just garbage for most Catholics. And you know, you got your Catholic answers and stuff, but that's not real catechesis, that's not teaching and forming. You got your Catholic answers and stuff, but that's not real catechesis.

Speaker 2: 1:55:40

That's not teaching, informing you in the Catholic faith no, that's arguing with Protestants 101 yeah, that's not forming you in the Catholic faith, and the reason why Tradition being overturned is such a big deal is because just attending a Latin mass will help form you in the Catholic faith. And even the fasting stuff is probably the most important part of being a traditional Catholic. So, like Lent came around and I cut down to one meal a day. Now every year I go back to eating, like I always do. This year I said screw that, I'm sticking with it. So I've been sticking with the one meal a day since Lent and it's transformative.

Speaker 2: 1:56:16

It really is Like it transforms your home life. It transforms a lot of things. Like the fasting is such an important part of being a traditional Catholic and we need to live a life of fast, fast, fast and then feast on Sunday only Because if bad times do come for us, you have to be, like, prepared to go without. So if you can't go without food, you're not going to go without anything. Like you, you're going to like I'm addicted to social media and that needs to get. Like I'm not claiming whatever. I'm still still struggling with a lot of things. I'm just saying like that's a first step in saying, okay, like I need, I need to. I need to restrict my, my living to not just feast all the time, because it's not healthy spiritually. Yeah, um, basically it's so powerful I think it can speak aloha. Now, if you stay with it all year, what does? Does your fast look like next Lent? Really good point. Really good point.

Speaker 2: 1:57:19

That's what it looks like I would imagine, yeah, food restrictions at that point because, like so they were past. You were passing around the video of me in North Carolina and that was like the heaviest I think I've ever been. And when I saw pictures of us in that video, or like pictures of us standing at that podium, I was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I look like that. I've I've lost 30 pounds since Lent started and I'm like I'm staying with it, like I don't want to. I don't want to go back to that. I just I just want to stick with it and it's been really good. And then on Sundays I eat like Sundays. I look so forward to sundays. You know, it's like I go to mass and then we do something special and I'm like, oh, finally I get a day. You know, I don't have that pressure on me. Uh, I will get you both yolks for the free. By the way, I uh I started the gym again too see I, we don't even have a gym.

Speaker 3: 1:58:13

I know an hour you should you should.

Speaker 2: 1:58:16

you should order weights just to even keep it your house and yeah, I was thinking of setting something up in my garage.

Speaker 2: 1:58:22

Just just having something you know, and even if you don't do that, like walks, like you don't realize how much walking does you know, like you, just after dinner. So like the warm weather starting and me and my wife started bike riding and like we have fun doing it. It's really like I don't know, we started just going, that we found a trail near our house, that we go on and we just have fun doing it. It's like, you know, we laugh together and spend time together. So, oh, all right, man, this was, this was um just you didn.

Speaker 2: 1:59:01

This was you didn't even tell your laptop story. Oh, my freaking laptop. Like last episode, my laptop wasn't working. I go to today to like check it out to see if it's working. I'm like where the hell's the power cord? I don't have a power. What the hell's going? My daughter stole the freaking power cord and that's why the damn laptop didn't work last time. It still had battery, but it wasn't enough.

Speaker 3: 1:59:22

Because the new mic was drawing more power.

Speaker 2: 1:59:25

Excessive load on the battery and it just was like it couldn't handle the amount of power I was drawing. So I went up, yelled at my daughter, took my power cord back and everything seems to be working. So I don't need a computer fund or anything. Everything seems to be fine. Rob was going to send me his. He had a MacBook that he wasn't using and he was going to send me that and I said no, hang on to it. You never know, I might need it in the future, but as of now my computer seems to be working. Kennedy showed his home gym one time. It was an axe with kettlebells. This is the best stream ever. Wait, andy. No, I'm 5'8", or 5'9" maybe. What are you, rob?

Speaker 3: 2:00:13

I'm 5'10", so you're 5'9". Yes, I'm 5'9" and Jason's 5'8". I think Jason's 5'7". I'm 5'10", so you're 5'5". Yes, I'm 5'5" and Jason's 5'8".

Speaker 2: 2:00:18

I think Jason's 5'7", I'm 5'8", you're 5'10", but my wife's 5'2", so I don't care. As long as my wife's a midget, I'm happy. I don't care.

Speaker 3: 2:00:38

I know someone else 5'2", but we're not going to talk about that because that will start a war. Luigi, no, I don't care about luigi, oh he was in north carolina too.

Speaker 2: 2:00:51

Oh okay, he never bought.

Speaker 3: 2:00:53

Yeah, he's in our chat too, probably uh, all right, we're gonna wrap this one up, man this was oh, he's not, no. Oh okay, nick cavazos is, oh my god no cavazos is tall. No, I'd hope nick cavazos is five gay until he comes back on I'll get, I'll talk, he's gonna hear this show.

Speaker 2: 2:01:07

There's no way, he's not.

Speaker 3: 2:01:08

There's no way, he's not at the very least he's gonna hear the pigeon no, he's gonna.

Speaker 2: 2:01:16

He's gonna hear the intro. Somebody's gonna tell this there's a lot of people that watch our show, that watch, that know him. Somebody's gonna tell me yo, you gotta go watch that show. Uh, and the thing is, if he doesn't text me, I'll be mad because I'm gonna have to call him like yo, what's going on with you? What's going on with you? You too holy for us. Now, what's going on?

Speaker 3: 2:01:39

oh, mental prayer shut up. All he's gonna do is gonna say you guys talked about donkey donkey dogs and hawaiian pigeon. I forgot about that good point that's fair.

Speaker 2: 2:01:55

No, we'll still have Nick on. I'll figure it out, I'll talk to him. He's not. I don't know if he's a good fit for every episode anymore, but there will definitely be episodes where he does fit and we'll have him on for those. Why are all the Catholic men crying? I don't know. We got to figure this out. You got to figure all these Catholic men in the water. It gotta figure all these catholic men, estrogen in the water.

Speaker 2: 2:02:20

It's making the frogs gay. All right, we're gonna wrap this one up, guys, I gotta get some sleep.

Speaker 3: 2:02:22

That's the problem with the groipers stop those, not a war with the groipers. I don't want to start a war with them all.

Speaker 2: 2:02:29

Right, uh, we will see you guys on uh tuesday, tuesday twice, if you watch, we might want to do our show monday. Do you want to do monday, thursday, monday, wednesday?

Speaker 3: 2:02:42

we might want to right.

Speaker 2: 2:02:44

Let's do monday, wednesday, tuesday tuesday I have, I'm on life site, so let's do monday, wednesday, and then thursday. I'll be on with, uh, anthony stein in the morning and then joe man show. I'm taking over, so you guys will get two shows next week. We'll do Monday, wednesday next week, then I'll be on other shows also, and then Rob will probably do one show while I'm gone, if he's up to it. If not, you guys going to miss a, you know we'll see.

Speaker 3: 2:03:11

We'll see if my house is still standing.

Speaker 2: 2:03:17

We'll see. We'll do monday, wednesday, so you guys get two shows next week. Yeah, I do have to get father nixon. We'll figure that one out too. All right, guys, we will see you guys on tuesday, on monday, we'll see you on monday, thank you.