Will Leo XIV Continue the Revolution?

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The Catholic world has witnessed a seismic shift with the election of Pope Leo XIV, the first American pontiff in history. In this riveting conversation, Tim Gordon joins Anthony and Rob to dissect what this unexpected papal selection truly means for the faithful.

From the moment white smoke billowed over the Sistine Chapel after just four ballots, something extraordinary was happening. Despite media speculation focusing on candidates like Cardinals Sarah, Parolin, and Tagle, it was the relatively unknown Cardinal Robert Prevost who emerged as Pope. But was this truly a surprise? Tim Gordon's prescient analysis suggests otherwise.

We explore the fascinating connections between Pope Leo XIV and key figures from the Francis pontificate, including Cardinals Cupich and Maradiaga. The discussion reveals how the Sankt Gallen group's influence persists through a new generation, orchestrating what appears to be a carefully planned continuation of Francis's vision—albeit with a more traditional presentation.

The symbolism is striking: a Pope who steps onto the loggia in full traditional papal regalia while simultaneously emphasizing synodality and progressive themes in his first address. This duality creates a compelling narrative of a pontificate that may offer liturgical concessions to traditionalists while firmly maintaining the doctrinal direction established under Francis. 

What makes this transition particularly fascinating is the new Pope's American background. As Tim points out, Pope Leo XIV understands the American Catholic media landscape in ways Francis never could, potentially positioning him to navigate and neutralize resistance more effectively than his predecessor.

For faithful Catholics wrestling with these developments, this conversation offers invaluable perspective on maintaining faith during ecclesiastical turbulence. Rather than succumbing to despair or false hope, the hosts advocate for steadfast commitment to Catholic practice while remaining clear-eyed about the challenges ahead.

Whatever your position on recent Church developments, this thoughtful analysis provides essential context for understanding what may be one of the most consequential papal transitions of our lifetime. Subscribe now to join the conversation as we navigate this new chapter in Catholic history together.

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Chapters

• 0:00 First Reactions to Pope Leo XIV's Election
• 17:04 The Sankt Gallen Mafia's Enduring Influence
• 35:38 Pope Leo XIV's Background and Controversy
• 54:51 American Church Politics and Papal Strategy
• 1:13:44 Vatican Deep State and Pre-Selected Candidates
• 1:32:09 Catholic Media Response and Papal Acceptance
• 1:52:13 Navigating Faith During Ecclesiastical Turbulence
• 2:09:00 Looking Forward: Hope vs Reality

Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:05

Sancte, sancte, amare morti. Decadas nos In te speraverunt. People acting like Tim Gordon wouldn't watch our show in the chat already. What are you guys doing? No, tim Gordon, I don't know if you guys know that.

Speaker 1: 1:35

Timothy J Gordon, holy cow man, I've been watching for about a week and a half, two weeks now. I've been watching so much hopium out there. I've been reading like news articles that we're getting a pope, sarah. It's been amazing to get my hopes up. I even had we had michael hitchborn on the other night and he had me this beautiful, uh, um, what would you call it? It's kind of of like right Catholic fan fiction, I guess we could call it. It was such a beautiful dream of a Cardinal pizza ball stepping out onto the loge and fixing all the problems in the church. But I heard you on your show with Ryan last week and he was getting a little hopeful and I called you on the phone. I I'm gonna smack that hopium right out of you, bro. Let's get on and talk about this. You were beyond prophetic in the details leading up to this conclave. Do you feel you feel good about predicting this?

Speaker 2: 2:34

I feel good about being like, hey, the the world ends on October the 13th, or whatever I mean. I feel it's vindicating. But it's also very, very simple If you understand just a little bit that the Vatican deep state is the deep state of all deep states, how Romanita works. I did study at the Gregg where they were holding the shadow council every night between 62 and 64. I think they were doing it last, the final year of the council, but it's unbelievable. Some of the council, but it's unbelievable some of the stuff, some of the vindication I've dug up since I ended my stream earlier today. So that's just, that's all going to be deposited right on, uh, avoiding babylon, a bunch of these turd nuggets are going to be deposited. Let's, let's do it.

Speaker 1: 3:20

Yeah, it's vindication that the world here's, here's the thing, like everybody's like, I see people black pilling and bugging out. It's like we have been in this fight for 12 years. Why would you guys have thought it was? Here's the problem. We got a little hope and there's nothing worse than a little bit of like false hope. And then, like the thing happens, and it was like a letdown, but like france's passing, I think people really were like, okay, maybe this thing will pass now and we'll. You know, we felt that relief when he went, but but the all right. The the most depressing part of this to me is that we didn't even have a big enough block to hold them up beyond four boats, right, right, like. That is majorly depressing to me which cardinal casper was saying.

Speaker 2: 4:06

He's almost always honest unless it's 2015 and you're on raymond arroyo's world over about the upcoming uh ordinary family senate. That's the only time I've ever seen cardinal casper lie. This mofo has been honest since 1982 about what he wanted to do and he said like the six hours before conclave began, eight hours before conclave began, the conservatives don't have anyone. They have like three guys and everyone hates them. All of the other Cardinals hate them. They're treated the way that Bishop Strickland was treated in the U S CCB. He's eating his bologna sandwich Cause he's a holy man who loves Jesus, all alone, with no friends. Also, these guys are straight men, so they're eating their bologna sandwiches all alone.

Speaker 2: 4:49

Francis held a record number of consistories. The most basic aspect of Romanita that's not even procedurally wrong is that consistories make conclaves and conclaves make consistories. One hand washes the other right. So popes who have record numbers of consistories under their watch. Francis had in 12 years he had 10. Now I saw the number as 12 just a few days ago. I remember it being one every year. Essentially, yeah, one per year. This is a record number. I can I'll walk you through how many JP two. Jp two had nine and 27 year pontificate. I I've gone through all the 20th century popes and and none of them made as many Cardinals per consistory per year as Francis. And this personnel is not policy, personnel is destiny. So why did anyone think the conservatives had a block? I'll tell you the answer. I know I've been talking, but it's because they've been in the church three years and cope springs eternal yeah cope springs eternal anthony wishes he had thought of that.

Speaker 1: 6:01

I thought one of those crazy to me is man you because I was talking to rob about this earlier like we had 27 years of john paul ii and then benedict came in and he was like, all right, we're done with this council and I'm gonna pick a name. I'm not gonna go with john, I'm not gonna go with paul, I'm not gonna go with john paul, I'm not gonna go with any combination of those. I'm gonna take my name off benny, because we're all excited that like, okay, he picked leo the 14th. Maybe that's a good sign, but he did pick leo the 14th because of rarum navarro, because rarum navarro is the typical on catholic social teaching and stuff, and I think he's gonna upend that or do something with that.

Speaker 1: 6:39

But the idea that Benedict came in and he was kind of like let's put the council behind us, like we, we, we had 27 years of John Paul the second, we got it where, okay, you guys had your revolutionary liturgical changes, but the moral foundation is there, and then I think he tried to pull back on some stuff, but I think he got so defeated. He got so defeated that he just gave up. Or do you think that? You think he was?

Speaker 2: 7:03

on this the whole time. I wanted to read from chapter one of Julian Maloney's book, because she was reminding me how Benedict was arguably the second most important guy at Vatican II, the most important Ronarite, the second most enthusiastic ron, right? So I'm just not on the team benedict anymore. I've been way off of that and I didn't mark the page. It's. It's in the first chapter of the song to go on mafia. I'll find it, but uh it. Oh, here it is Now. I'll find it, though I swear. Can you play that little clip? I sent you this is my show.

Speaker 1: 7:51

This is not. I haven't seen this yet. Tim sent this to me and it's kind of going around social media. I haven't seen it yet. This is Pope Leo XIV's brother, right?

Speaker 2: 8:00

Yeah, this is from just a little bit ago. I swear, you know this is an act of trust. I swear, I didn't like superimpose an image of a dick or something behind it, I have not seen this yet. This is legit, but I wanted Anthony and Rob to see this in real time. I didn't do anything shifty here, just respond to this. It's your guy's show, but respond to it in real time.

Speaker 4: 8:23

This here just respond to this. It's your guy's show, but respond to it in real time. This, this is your chance to rickroll us, but we'll see.

Speaker 5: 8:26

I just want to see you both shit nokias into your chonies at the same time but when I heard he was in a group of three, then I thought, well, this could happen when did you hear that part and when did you know that he was maybe one of the finalists? Maybe like a day or two after the Pope died and they were talking about who are.

Speaker 2: 8:49

They can say the right part out loud. So the Pope, the Pope's brother's new name should be Austin Ivory. The second they're not allowed.

Speaker 1: 8:57

So yeah, because nobody was actually talking about him being in the top three anywhere in the media, but the brother knew about it. Now, dude, this is so. The craziest part about this is that his brother is so American, like we have an American pope. This is bizarre. They elected Bob from Chicago, basically. So you said on your show. You think part of the reason they did this is to combat some of the right wing, like some of the conservative Catholic media in the American ethos. You think that has something to do with it?

Speaker 2: 9:36

Yeah, that's a huge part of it from President Trump on USAID and the scaling down of the American church donations, because Francis was such a catastrophe. But number two Francis never got over the shock of the pushback he received from the American Catholic commentariat right-wing commentariat. He never could believe it. He doesn't understand Nordamericanos enough to push back in an effective way. This guy does. Anthony, you and I I think we're maybe scheming this up together. I think he might end up repealing Traditiones, custodes and all the one-note song trads. I mean, I'm a trad too, but I care about theology. All the one-note song trads are going to be like well, this is all that matters. He repealed TC. I want TC repealed too, but he's just going to keep pushing the Francis agenda and maybe say nice things about the Latin mass, maybe make it more available. It's not that tricky to call what these mafiosi are doing. So look shit your pants, why not?

Speaker 1: 10:40

Okay, so it's you're not going to have the like cause. I think Francis was uniquely vicious. So I think, like we talked about this the other day, like I really do think, you'll get a backing off of like the, the constant nasty comments towards tracks and it's going to seem like a very conciliatory Pope that's reaching out to you.

Speaker 1: 10:58

You might get those, those handouts to the traditional communities, you might get your latin mass back, things like that. But the main thing is in his opening, like his welcoming to the world, he cuts up and he's talking about the sonatal church, he's talking about immigration, he's talking about climate change. I mean he's literally repeating the francis agenda verbatim in his opening address to the world. I mean, the Sonato Church thing was the one thing that we were all hoping would just go away and that's how they keep moving this thing forward is through that. So I mean, I don't, this isn't even a black pill. It's just, guys, we've been in this for 12 years, like the fight hasn't changed. You're in the same exact position you were. It might just be a little weird having the guy speak clear english and not hearing.

Speaker 2: 11:47

Oh, translation error and not having him thumbing his nose so bitterly the way for francis just had a nasty personality. I don't. I don't feel bad. Saying this is enough time now since he passed away. Francis was just a mean guy and his contrarian spirit like you pointed out, anthony could be brought out even against leftists like those, those dumb chicks in the disney documentary, when they're like, are we gonna get abortion and and female deacons? He just gets annoyed by people and starts slapping them, like he did with that chinese lady before christmas pulling his hand away when people kiss in the ring right.

Speaker 2: 12:21

Yeah yeah, pulling his hand away. He's just a. He's just a mean grouch. He was a nightclub bouncer. He was a nightclub bouncer at a questionable nightclub and he was just a mean-hearted old dude that that was always well known about him. And he, he would pass out in fits of rage at domus santa marta, but but make no mistake, make no mistake. Um, who are the two Cardinal Kingmakers? What's, what's?

Speaker 1: 12:45

So this is what's interesting, because I actually I actually thought that, like most of the St Gallen Mafia was gone and like we did, like I did Dude, I feel so stupid for getting hope. I just feel dumb. But Casper's dumb for getting help. Casper's still around. And help, casper's still around. And there's two things that happened.

Speaker 1: 13:06

So two days ago I watched an interview between Larry Chapp and Cale Zeldin and they brought Prevost up and Larry Chapp was like this is, I have the clip, we could play it. But he was. He had the what is it? The Egidio in Rome or the Egidio in Rome? I don't know what it's called, but Zupi was the cardinal of this organization and they didn't back Zupi, they backed Prevost, and Cale and Larry were talking about it and they're like okay, if he comes out on the loggia right away, you're going to start getting these suspicions about his handling of abuse cases, because he was horrible on that. And then Larry Chapp went. We're going to play the clip because it's really interesting.

Speaker 1: 13:50

Larry Chapp is a communio guy. His blog is Gaudium et Spes, san Egidio. So his blog is Gaudium et Spes. This is a John Paul II guy. And he starts talking about what will happen if we get a francis the second and he's like we're gonna schism, we may start like something like the ssp, like what would it be? The society saint paul the six with like novus ordo sspx or something I don't know.

Speaker 4: 14:13

But it was very odd.

Speaker 1: 14:15

Well, you want to play that now real quick, rob, sure, yeah, let's go with that now, but prevovost.

Speaker 6: 14:22

Well, there's been some movement towards Cardinal Prevost, who's the head of the Dicastery for bishops and he was, you know, liked by Pope Francis. His theology leans in the Pope Francis direction. His candidacy is being pushed by the community of San Egidio. Now, community of San Egidio is a very, very powerful movement started here in Italy, huge, very much associated for a long time with Cardinal Zuppi, who they're not supporting. Strangely Interesting, interesting, yeah, yeah, supporting Prevost. Now, I mean, the thing is, a lot of people are very, very, very concerned about this Because the community of San Egidio, even though they do a lot of great philanthropic work, they're a very large organization, they're very wealthy, they're very powerful, they're very influential, and yet whatever ecclesial movement or structure they touch turns into a kind of UN NGO where they really dumb the faith down into a kind of pure secular philanthropy. And I, therefore, a lot of people would say we don't want the next Pope being within 10 feet of the community of San Egidio.

Speaker 1: 15:30

So you could cut it there, rob. I mean, that's just interesting, because this is before the conclave. He's saying that, so that was the first I heard of him. And then I read the article I sent you on edward penton's blog where he talks about bumping into father martin and austin ivoray and they implicated that he was their pick.

Speaker 2: 15:49

Once I heard that, I went it's a wrap, that's it, that's who we're getting I didn't hear the san egidio thing, but I I used to know a little bit. I I'm remembering all bad uh about them from the time I was in Rome. Yeah, super far left, surprised they didn't back Zupi. It's weird that the I don't know supreme candidacy of Pope Leo XIV was suppressed so late before the conclave and it was only sort of allowed out a day before. I'm surprised they allowed it out a full day before. You saw that part of the larry chap interview that I didn't see. But this he was. He was the pick since well before pope francis died, and I think so. Huh, oh, this is. This is how the gauntlet this has been.

Speaker 1: 16:37

This has been in the works for a very long time of course he was the pre-selected candidate.

Speaker 2: 16:42

If the pope's goofy brother knew about it a day after the pope died, how long before do you think that walter casper knew about it? And I found I found this isn't for right now because it would take us off topic, but I found that part in uh julia's book sunk all in mafia we could go off topic.

Speaker 1: 17:02

we'll get back, okay.

Speaker 2: 17:04

But neither of you guys really responded to the Pope's brother, knowing that canvassing happened again and it's not Austin Ivory that spills the tea, it's the Pope's big mouth, brother.

Speaker 1: 17:16

This is not legal. What's amazing about this is nobody had ever heard of this guy. Like nobody had ever heard of him. He was well okay. So technically he was in charge of the, the castery for Bishop, so he was the guy who knocked Strickland out. Yeah, but not big in the media.

Speaker 1: 17:32

But he's also so cryptic that even on Edward Penton's college of Cardinals site he's he's like an enigma. You it's like they picked this guy because you can't get him on heresy or anything. He's never said anything. He doesn't said anything. You don't know his position. I told you.

Speaker 2: 17:48

It would be that it would be a lefty francis too, that is, is in the mold of one of the the francis too guys. Maybe he'd be more like pro l m n o p q like zoopy, maybe he'd be more like pro-LMNOPQ like Zupi, Maybe he'd be more pro-Synodality like Toggle and Francis himself. But he's going to continue the program. But now they're going to get a craftier guy that has less of a record and can actually push back against the American right-wing media.

Speaker 2: 18:19

The most important thing is who are the two cardinal electors that were his kingmakers? Cardinals Maradiaga, who made the Francis Pontificate, an honorary member of the Gaulin group I've never heard him as one of the ones that actually met at Achilles Silvestrini apartment, but except on Via Gerusalemme. But he's the one that worked most with the Gaulin group to make Francis. What did Cardinal Oscar Maradiaga also do? He may. He's the, the one who made the career of Cardinal Cupich a meteoric rising career, made him go from just a Bishop to a Cardinal. He's the one that put him in front of Francis. These two guys because Cupich is now a Cardinal and they both are very influential in Chicago they are the two Cardinal kingmakers of Leo XIV.

Speaker 1: 19:15

Cupich is the American church, okay. So part of the reason I was goofing around with the Dolan thing like Dolan, he knows Supich was running the show. Like Dolan tried keeping his head down under Francis but I know there was enmity between those two. They really didn't like each other. Dolan saw 75 coming up around the corner and he knew Francis was chopping heads off at 75 and stuff. But Supich runs the American church and you could tell exactly what you're getting by. Who steps out on the loggia with the pope right. So we saw parolin and super, super. I never saw him grinning like he was today when he stepped out on that loggia. I didn't see that.

Speaker 1: 19:52

Do you have that vid? Do you have a video of that, rob? He's like ear to ear. It's supich and parolin right next to the guy and it's like parolin. We heard that. We heard that name. Oh, he's got 40, 50 votes locked up going into conclave. Never for a second that I think it was going to be him and I I kind of, after talking to you the other day it was like yeah, it's going to be a no-name guy that you can't pin down on. Something crazy, because even the trads were talking about like beforehand. It's like don't give this guy peaceful acceptance if they elect like a known heretic. This guy doesn't have like anything. He's spoken loudly on in favor. It's like his. His positions on same-sex unions is muddled. The only thing we do have is that he supported francis in the communion for divorce and remarried, which is like the signature of the saint galamafia exactly?

Speaker 2: 20:40

and what's the other signature, non-specific to any one moral category, but predicable across all the categories, to be aristotelian about it, doctrinal authority to local bishops, which is just the protestant reformation they wanted this and spoke about it a lot at the earliest senate of francis that if you cross the border between Germany and Poland, then in Germany it's legal to get a divorce and get remarried to. You know, have sex with someone new and you can get communion. But you cross the border, you go into Poland and you can't. That's all they want, that's really all they need. Then the church is no different from Protestantism or, I'm sorry, eastern Orthodoxy, eastern Orthodox. Then you just go to a different like autocephalous denomination, and you can get the result you want. In law we call that forum shopping.

Speaker 1: 21:30

Which is what happened with the fiducia supplicants and the African bishops putting their foot down. It's like all right, we'll give you guys a special carve out, but the rest of the church?

Speaker 2: 21:37

you're dealing with this, right, right right, but but um, that's most important. Uh, let me hold on one second.

Speaker 1: 21:46

I'm looking at this other thing yeah, take us on a trip, dude, tell us what I mean. Like I want to go I want to hear.

Speaker 2: 21:51

I want to hear, okay. So I want some, some benedict people, because I'm, I'm, I blackpilled on benedict. This isn't what we're talking about here. Me, anthony robb, this is not blackpilling. I am a papist ride or die. I will never be Eastern Orthodox. I have a lot of ortho bro friends and I'm like, sorry guys, you're just wrong. A horrible Pope is better than no Pope at all. But listen to the blackpill on Ratzinger. Please get off the Ratzinger train. I used to be a huge Ratzinger guy and early Benedict guy. This is page 29 in Julia Maloney's book and I know people know that Ratzinger admitted Benedict, admitted he was before the student uprisings of the liberals in the late sixties. He was a liberal. But you can't get around this.

Speaker 2: 22:34

One day Martini would emerge as a spiritual heir to a key Vatican II revolutionary father, karl Rahner SJ Naughty pet, naughty pet. A German theologian suspected of heterodoxy. In the time of Pope Pius XII, rahner was arguably the council's most powerful man. Definitely, rahner was Vatican II, as you guys know, and one of Rahner's key collaborators in those days was none other than a young, brilliant theologian named Joseph Ratzinger. In October 1962, the month of the Cardinal's beginning, rahner secretly met with a group including Ratzinger, the personal theological advisor of Cardinal Joseph Frings. A plan was being hatched to submit an opposing Ratzinger-Rahner schema in place of an official council schema, which you probably heard. All this, oh, john XXIII allowed the schema of Vatican II to change. We're going to announce the fifth Marian dogma. And they said no, and it was going to be this based council. That's real. Ratzinger, together with Rauner, is the one that changed it. In those days, a coup began to form around Ratzinger and also Ratzinger, just a little bit after this in the 70s, started talking about having this contemplative two-part pontificate.

Speaker 2: 23:46

I don't believe in Ratzinger. I don't believe in a single. I believe they're all legitimate popes. I don't believe we've had a single legitimate post-conciliar good pope, and that's what cross-fertilizes the idea of the enduring legacy of the St Gallen mafia. The members carry on until they die and then new guys come and take their place. Achilles Silvestrini became the don after Cardinal Martini got Parkinson's disease, and now we have a new group and I think Maradiaga and I think Cupich took the place of some of the dead members of the Golan Mafia, and that's why this has been decided for months, years, that it would be this guy.

Speaker 1: 24:28

It's just funny that, like the hope that people had is it's silly, because this revolution did start back then and to think it was just going to end like that is it's crazy. Like this, this is a I mean it's a hostile takeover of the Catholic church. It's not going to stop on a dime like this. It's going to continue on. Like I can't separate seeing this from the passion of the church and just seeing that it's like the church is going to continue on this path until we're ready for the cure. Like people are still not ready for the cure, so you can't have the pope of restoration yet the thing has to die. Like the fact that they couldn't muster up enough guys to get this thing beyond four votes should really open everybody's eyes of how bleak it really is in that in that conclave like it's, they couldn't even four votes. That's nothing like four scrutinies and they got their guy. There's no opposition to this but also you guys, rob.

Speaker 2: 25:29

I haven't heard either of you react to the fact that the pope's brother opened his big trap and said he knew he was in the final group one day after the pope died I didn't hear him say one day after the pope died.

Speaker 1: 25:42

That's why I didn't actually hear that clip you want to replay it? Yeah, I didn't hear him say one day after the pope died that he was in that, because I wouldn't.

Speaker 3: 25:51

He was not mentioned anywhere in the media, nothing tim's not going to rest until you guys start throwing things throwing turds around or whatever.

Speaker 2: 25:59

Find some, find some, you know. Go to your litter box and start hurling objects. No, he said, cause the the who was it? Abc interviewer was like well, when did you hear this? That he was in a group of finalists.

Speaker 1: 26:12

Yeah, let me hear that again. I got to hear this.

Speaker 5: 26:15

But when I heard he was in a group of three, then I thought, well, this could happen.

Speaker 4: 26:20

When did you hear that part and when did you know that he was maybe one of the finalists?

Speaker 5: 26:23

Maybe like a day or two after the Pope died, and they were talking about that, that is insane that he's in the final three a day after the Pope died.

Speaker 1: 26:33

That means it was always between Parolin Tagle and him.

Speaker 2: 26:36

No, no, that's that. Well, that's fake. It was always him, and they just you know what they're telling. I guess the future Pope's friends and family is. There's a group of three. But here's the key, here's the proof text that if he knew it and he's just a layman running around in civvies, the Pope's brother then all he really had ostensible access to is what we did, which is like oh, who's going to win? Is it Cardinal Sarah or Cardinal Pizza Ball? And I was laughing at the people that thought that he had inside access. So, if he had inside access, what were they saying? They're saying they're telling you no, everything we've been telling the media is misdirection.

Speaker 2: 27:20

Same as in 2005, when Bergoglio was the strong number two showing and this is the way the voting is going to go Four ballots is the ties for the quickest we've had since 1878, guys, the quickest ballot we've ever had in the last 150 years was 1878, which gave us leo the 13th, his namesake predecessor. But, um, this, oh no, sorry, 1930, 1939, never mind, but it's been since 1939, 85 years since they beat out in terms of quicker, fewer, lesser ballots. What happened here? This was a foregone conclusion, and the pope's brother just opened his big mouth. You're not supposed to admit. It's the thing is, you kind of blew it for us ballots. What happened here? This was a foregone conclusion and the pope's brother just opened his big mouth. You're not supposed to admit it's.

Speaker 1: 28:04

The thing is you kind of blew it for us, because we probably would have got an austin ivory book detailing how this was the plan from six months ago, but you had to open your stupid mouth and fight with him on twitter, and now we'll never get that book.

Speaker 1: 28:16

So all we have is this little interview from the brother I'll talk to that. You blew it on us, bro. Oh my gosh man. So so what? Uh? Where do where does this go from here? Man, this is crazy because you predicted all of this. You said they're gonna get a guy like this in and then in in lockstep immediately. You're gonna see the pope's planers try to wash away all the red flags that we're talking about, and I'm already seeing them bringing up quotes of him from 2012, when Benedict was the Pope, saying talking about, like Matt, uh, same sex things, and but it's like that's from 2012, when Benedict was Pope. We all know when Francis got in, every one of these guys, the mass dropped and they changed their theology completely on the Francis.

Speaker 2: 28:57

I'm also seeing for the first time now that he voted in 2012, 2014, 2016 in Republican primaries. Allegedly. I'm seeing and that's not what Steph saw Steph saw that he only changed his voter ID card status to Republican right after he heard that he was going to be, a month before he got the Episcopal nod. So someone needs to get to the heart of that, because that does matter very much. Yeah, sell it somewhere else pal.

Speaker 1: 29:31

The church is defined by left and right.

Speaker 2: 29:32

I hate that stuff. It's all about coalition building, right? So here's how it works. I'm not talking about left-caths, right? They're just idiots and they're not Catholic. I'm talking about among faithful Catholics.

Speaker 2: 29:43

The Pope-splainers have been the young guys who entered the church in the last five years. They're the primary Pope-splainers for Francis, which we've grown used to, and they're Novus Ordo-type Pope-splainers. They don't like trads. They bought a lot of Francis' rhetoric. Even up to and including tradition is custodians that they are not going to drop off their Pope's planning, and Twitter has proven it today. Their response is even like AF post. I'm like look, I like a lot of you guys' content. I'm friends with a lot of you guys. Your, your curial analysis is shit. Like, trust me, I've studied this stuff closely for seven years seven to 10 years but publicly made predictions for for seven years. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Um, they're not going to drop off. They're going to keep pope splaining because of, mainly, their view of the aggregation of power political or ecclesial. What? What is brilliant about this mafioso move is they're going to pick up the coalition. They're just coalition building. They're going to pick up pope's planning among the trads now and they're not going to lose it among these these.

Speaker 1: 30:44

Uh, yeah, so so if they if he throws us the latin mass here and there. Now the trads join the pope's planers and defending this craziness and it becomes you and it just segregates you, me and you segregates.

Speaker 1: 30:57

It segregates us even more, even though we're like the. There's no black pilling for me in this. To me, this is just part of the story and it's the same fight we've been in and I plan on continuing the fight. We're going to do this for for tonight because it's you know, we got a new Pope and stuff. But, like, after tonight we're going to go back to our regular scheduled programming and then, if something crazy happens, we'll discuss it and stuff. But it's like I just the way this thing was handled in the media was, I feel, so silly for buying into any of it, man, it's like, and the trad media fell for it just as hard as anybody Did you see Michael Matt.

Speaker 2: 31:40

He's like it could have been way worse I haven't really researched this guy like it could have been way worse. I haven't really researched this guy, but it could have been worse. I was like so don't open your trap if you don't. I mean he was there in saint peter's and he didn't see the punch coming. I saw the punch coming, but we had to research him really fast.

Speaker 2: 31:54

I woke up this morning and I sent off this tweet. I'm really glad I did. Hey, I just woke up here at 6 30 CST, that's. That's early for me and I want to say now, between the third and fourth scrutinies, it's not going to be one of the major guys that that the media has been floating and it will be a Golan group guy and don't expect, don't expect any of these ones. I just want to say that we got. This was before they broke for lunch, I guess, wasn't it? No, I guess this was right after they broke for lunch. I'm glad I shot that off, but I did not think it was going to be a fourth scrutiny. I did not think it was going to be a fifth scrutiny. I thought we would be talking tonight with black smoke.

Speaker 1: 32:36

Yeah, me too, for sure. I thought tomorrow would be the earliest, I'm like, and I was hoping for afternoon tomorrow, but I really did not think there was any chance of that 1130. So I consistories, creating over those 10 consistories. Yeah, what do you make of these reports? Yeah, I do want to get into that. But what do you make of these reports? So some reports saying that Leo requested an indult to say the TLM during the 90s per the pillar Zoom session today. Maybe he's a crypto threat, not a chance, right?

Speaker 2: 33:21

No source behind all that? No, there is a chance I think they got. I was, I was texting with George Farmer, with with Michael Brennan Doherty, who I haven't talked much with. He started DMing me it could be a woke TLM Pope, that's what it seems to be and that that would be the brilliant move. So I there is no ultimate source at the bottom of the bibliographical trail on that, it's just hearsay. But I believe that could be true. The Latin mass is so important to me, so important to both of you, but it's not the be all, end all. According to the Sankt Gallen Mafia, they want to push an ideological doctrinal revolution. Lexerandi, Lex Credendi, yes, but doctrine is more important to them than than uh, it's not just in the church, it's in the world too.

Speaker 1: 34:07

Like you're not going to have a pope that stands up with moral clarity to stand up against some of the the crazy things that we're starting to see in our culture and in our society. It's like he's going to, he's going to play the word game in the word salad game, like all Marxists do, and you'll have your Latin mass and you'll be like well, let's just keep, because we were so beaten for so long. We'll feel it's going to be like you're going to love your captor. What is that called? What's syndrome? Stockholm syndrome? Yeah, you're going to have Stockholm syndrome. You're going to love your captor because he gave you something. He gave you a little treat to enjoy even though you're still a prisoner.

Speaker 2: 34:49

Exactly what do you? What do you make of the consistory thing? Okay, so let's just go through the last seven, eight pontificates and how many, how many consistories did each hold? So I want you guys to think in terms of consistories, cardinals created per consistory per year of the pontificate. So it's sort of a big division problem. Francis held 10 consistories in 12 years I thought it was 12 in 12 years and he created 163 cardinals. This is record setting. This is just court packing. How about Benedict? Benedict had five consistories and he set 120 cardinals in eight years. Okay, so not nearly the rate that Francis was. John Paul II 27-year-long pontificate, one of the top three longest pontificates of all time, and he oh where was it he?

Speaker 2: 35:39

had nine. Right, he had nine consistories. So Francis beat him in 12 years. He beat him and he created a lot of cardinals. He created 231, but we're going cardinals per consistory per year.

Speaker 2: 35:54

Paul the sixth held six uh, consistories 143 cardinals, and he was a longer pontificate than francis, he was a 15-year pontificate. Why did Francis rush to do so many cardinals and so many consistories? John XXIII created only 52 cardinals and five consistories. It was five consistories in five years though, so that's quite a lot too, but he's a well-known liberal. Pius XII only held two consistories and he created 56 cardinals. See, the conservatives never try to win. They never try to pack the courts. That's where we lose. Pious the 11th held he because of what was going on during his tenure. He had 17 consistories, but he only created 76 cardinals, so for some reason he was only coming up with five cardinals per consistory. So that doesn't count. Benedict XV only five consistories. He created 32 cardinals. That's only six, and that was in an eight-year pontificate. Like Benedict, pius X created 50 cardinals in seven consistories. What do you know? Francis beats them all. Personnel is destiny, not just policy.

Speaker 1: 37:01

Yeah it's like hard and, and not just that, like it was you. Like prevost elevates mackleroy, like he he's in charge of bishops, he's the one putting these guys in key positions, getting rid of strickland, putting mackleroy in dc like and he knows every bishop around the world, cause it wasn't. Was it just in America that he was in charge of that? Was that worldwide?

Speaker 2: 37:26

Like was he the prefect for the dicastery of Bishop? He is one of the curial guy. He's like number five in the church. He was just kept out of, uh, he was just kept out of the spotlight spotlight, yeah, but then so I'm not saying he was not papabula or he's a no one. I'm saying what they were feeding to the media, that that everyone was buying, what they're even feeding, I guess, to vegas odds makers. He was still like the number five in the church. He was the guy that that visited strickland and and acts strickland and he's the guy that did all the bad, um, uh, surprising, oh, oh yeah, and I'm how about this last article I sent you, rob?

Speaker 1: 38:05

let's just check what hey got whoa? Wow, that is quite the super chat. Oh my god, listen, not for nothing. Tim's got donors, everybody's got donors. Where are all my rich millennials that are going to stop being donors? I want to go to rome on the next conclave.

Speaker 4: 38:21

You guys got to be kidding me. There's no rich millennials.

Speaker 1: 38:24

The boomers still have it all.

Speaker 1: 38:29

Hey guys return to Catholicism about a year ago after I found the show, return to the sacraments and have a prayer life, now Wanted to show my thanks. I love how you guys talk about young men and how awful dating is for us. Maybe it's a trial that we young guys need to console with Christ's passion while putting ourselves out there. Love the show. Thank you, house Music Very, very grateful. That is awesome, rob.

Speaker 1: 38:51

Why don't you pull up the article I sent last, the Daily Compass article? So pedophile priests cover up, cast shadow over Prevost Cardinal who selects bishops? Now this is. This is from 2024, from the moment robert prevost was appointed prefect for the dicastery for bishops. In 2023, attempts to erase the clues about how he covered up two priests accused of whatever in his diocese of chiquillo, peru, have multiplied, including the persecution of the alleged victim's lawyer and the appointment of a friendly bishop. A new scandal in the Vatican, allegations of abuse against two priests and accusations against the bishop for covering them up. In itself, unfortunately, this is nothing new, but the bishop in question in the this is crazy that they actually allowed somebody with this kind of past to step out there to me, I know I know they said they wanted to avoid scandal, didn't they?

Speaker 1: 39:48

like what is going on. So, tim, how do you think this game's out? Because I do want to play the uh larry chap clips because they're so interesting to me, because he specifically said if we get a francis, the second, this is what we're going to do. Rob, play the first one. We played the first one.

Speaker 4: 40:03

We played the second one.

Speaker 1: 40:04

Yeah, play the second one, because this was like bonkers to me when he said it on Cale's show. Cale almost didn't pick up on it. I'm like are you going to just let this hang?

Speaker 6: 40:14

Hanging on by our fingernails. We want to just have a good Pope this next time around. If they elect Francis II and he's actually even worse than Pope Francis then the thinking is we're just going to say to hell with it. We're going to create some alternative ecclesial reality of some, not a Protestant Reformation type thing.

Speaker 1: 40:41

But so then we're really what you're saying, then we're really going into a kind of an Avignon type situation.

Speaker 6: 40:46

Yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah, In other words, a real schism where a bunch of Catholics might say we no longer. It's kind of a se de vacante thing, Not really saying that the Pope isn't the Pope, but saying you know what? He's an idiot and we're going to elect our own Pope. We don't like this one, we're going to elect our own over here. And you might end up in rival Popes. You might.

Speaker 1: 41:12

This is that to me to hear from Larry Chapp.

Speaker 2: 41:15

Lawrence Chapp. Lawrence W Chapp I don't know what his middle name is. That was shocking.

Speaker 1: 41:21

Like I cannot believe what, because to me the thought of going Sedebicante doesn't even occur to me. I've lived through this for 12 years. I'm not even like. I'm like and the things they accused you of, the things they accused Taylor of, it's like the tragedy to try to split the church and then he pops out with something like that he's not even saying like he said.

Speaker 4: 41:39

He's not saying they don't think that he would be the pope. They're saying we don't care that you're the pope, we want a different one and we're going to elect a separate.

Speaker 1: 41:49

So when he said that I'm like wait, and Cale kind of just let it go, and I'm like excuse me, what is going on here? So I just said, do you think there's a possibility of two claimants coming from this conclave? Because if I mean tim, with the letter you sent to burke, like do you still leave room for some crazy thing to happen after? Because I'm really curious to see what sarah and burke and erdo all the guys we heard were on our side I'm really curious to see how they handle this new election if they saw the same exact shenanigans that happened with France that's happened in this one. Are they going to just stand by silently? Is Mueller going to just stand by silently?

Speaker 4: 42:28

I think Burke's already put out a letter Today.

Speaker 2: 42:33

Yeah, what did he say?

Speaker 3: 42:35

He already accepted it.

Speaker 2: 42:37

I think Saran is too, positive.

Speaker 4: 42:39

What did he say? Let me see if I can find it.

Speaker 2: 42:44

This is crazy.

Speaker 1: 42:46

So all hopes of some craziness happening in this conclave are gone. They're just everything's just go along to get along. They must have struck a deal with them in the back and said we'll let this go through if you just give them the Latin mass back, or something Like it was interesting that he takes the name Leo the 14th. And he came out Like do you remember Francis coming out on that loggia in the white, just the plain white cassock? How, how, like jarring that was so.

Speaker 1: 43:09

Cardinal, cardinal Burke, please join me in thanking our Lord for the election of Pope Leo the 14th, successor of St Peter, as the shepherd of the church throughout the world. The shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe at La Crosse has a particularly strong bond with the Roman Pontiff, especially through its affiliation with the Papal Basilica of St Mary Major. I urge all pilgrims and friends of the Shrine to pray fervently for Pope Leo XIV and Our Lord. Through the intercession of Our Lady of Guadalupe, st Peter, apostle and Pope, st Leo the Great, We'll grant him abundant wisdom, strength and courage to do all that our Lord is asking him in these tumultuous times. May God bless Pope Leo and grant him many years. This is wild.

Speaker 2: 43:50

I don't understand this man temperamental. I don't understand that and I hadn't seen that.

Speaker 1: 43:56

So look.

Speaker 4: 43:57

Okay, here's what I'll say. I think Syrah is something, too, I can find.

Speaker 1: 44:01

So, like before we came on tonight, rob was like I don't know, man, it's the new Pope, it's Pope Leo XIV. Like your Catholic sensibilities do kick in a little bit, right, tim, where it's like, should we give the guy a chance? But even though it's impossible, when you know what you know, like when you know the it's, it's almost impossible to even say okay, let's, it's. It's just crazy. Like you, your Catholic sensibility is just be faithful to the Pope and don't, you know, don't cause problems. But I also don't want to be naive about what we're dealing with here. It is what it is.

Speaker 2: 44:37

My Aristotelian sensibilities kick in at all times. I just don't have the authoritarian thing that I guess you're identifying with Catholic sensibilities. My Aristotelian sensibility is I love my friend Plato, but I love the truth more and therefore, with all of my philosophy, I'm pretending to be Aristotle. I'm going to shit all over Plato because it's not true. Platonism is a joke. It's false. That's the sensibility that comes out when he's got. He's clearly the favorite of Father James Martin SJ, san Egidio and he and the two cardinalate pope makers were Mara Diaga and Cupich. No, I don't need to hear anything else. That's my Catholic sensibility is the quest for truth. I'll cite Bernard Lonergan for you guys. Bernard Lonergan says we have a pure desire to know. I want to know the truth. That's my Catholic sensibility. We are not actually Pope worshipers.

Speaker 1: 45:34

So, Cardinal Sarraza, God cares for us, God loves all of us and evil will not prevail.

Speaker 4: 45:38

It's just a quote from his speech, from Leo's speech.

Speaker 1: 45:42

It's just a quote from his speech, from Leo's speech, so he quoted. Pope Leo. Xiv's speech. Man, it's so. How do you see this working out, Tim? What do you see happening? You have to have some kind of ideas of what plays out here.

Speaker 2: 45:59

I don't know if. Well, now I have zero hope. I had I had one to 2% hope that Cardinal Burke had had some based Cardinals over to his place for for for pizza and bocce ball, and a dual conclave, a proto conclave, to to put in to enact an insurance policy, a backward looking one on the Francis pontificate, the like of which I described on my show the last couple of weeks, and a frontward looking one to elect their own guy in case this guy's bad, which he is. And now that I read I heard Rob read the Burke letter, I just have zero hope. I have zero hope that anything good will happen. It doesn't mean I'm not Catholic, it'll just be probably 12 to 24 years of Francis II and he's going to trick a bunch of the trads. I think this might happen, I'm not sure, with some boons. There are going to be some feathers in the cap and then, truly, guys like you and I are going to be Vox Clamantis in Deserto.

Speaker 1: 47:07

I tweeted out like two weeks ago, I said I don't want. No, that was November. In November, no, no, no. I tweeted out recently the John Paul II one, let me see. On April 24th it said John Paul III or Benedict XVII will not save the church. Give me Leo XIV or Francis II, no, in between, Wow.

Speaker 4: 47:32

But you had a similar tweet back in November, even Back in.

Speaker 1: 47:36

November, when Trump won, I said presidential election is locked. Next we'll lock in the conclave. Pope Leo XIV is on his way and holy cow man. But just the look. Okay, we're getting into accelerationism, because this is what me and you spoke about when I was on with you last week. It's like I didn't want an interim pope, I wanted this. Like I want this thing to come down because it's so rotten. It cannot continue, and I think more people like you're saying you think it's going to go the other way, where people are going to be dragged over to the pope's planer side and things like that, where I think, if you accelerate things, more people will wake up. Like we've woken a lot of people up over the past seven years, specifically Like since 2017, a lot of people have been like this is I've had enough. I can't take this. So do you think those couple of nuggets they throw to trads are really going to put people back to sleep?

Speaker 2: 48:33

Trads and I. You know people don't know where to stick me among the trads, but I consider myself a trad in the slightly broader context. I care about doctrine even more than the Latin mass, but I love the Latin mass. I hate the Novus Ordo, just so everyone starts saying extra mean things about me. You can say mean things about me, but don't say extra mean things about me. Trads that mainly care about the liturgy and don't care as much about doctrine are the older rank and file trads of the 80s and 90s. They are like a song with one note and they're simplistically handled. That's why I believe we might have been given a Nordamericano that maybe is a little less hostile to it. All he has to do is repeal Traditiones, Custodias and say nice things about the Latin language, Ecclesiastical Latin, and then the trads will be pacified and it will work. I don't know if he'll be worse than Francis, but he's going to continue doing the Francis agenda. That's what Cardinal Walter Casper said. I haven't been able to find.

Speaker 3: 49:39

That's what his own brother said.

Speaker 2: 49:40

I haven't been able to find. That's what his own brother said. His brother said he'll be Francis II.

Speaker 1: 49:43

That's the clip I thought you were going to play. I thought you were going to play a clip of the brother saying he's going to be Francis II. I wasn't expecting him to say oh yeah, I found that a day after the Pope passed that he was in the top three, Because it's all so wild, but I think he'll just be Francis II.

Speaker 2: 49:57

I think he's going to keep going. Remember, guys this is the key way to cover the explanatory gap Uncle Ted McCarrick said at Villanova, six months after we got Francis, that Francis he said this triumphalistically will be able to change the church in five years. Give this guy five years and he'll change the whole face of the church. They were all shocked by the north american conservative catholic pushback and and they had those. Remember, in 2014, cardinal um, one of the four dubia cardinals, one of the two surviving ones cardinal walter bramuller said what the four or five agenda items of the gaul and mafia were. It's communion for divorce and civil we were married very pro body women, deacons, intercommunion with luther and sometimes people have lumped into that overturning Vita. What is it over? Overturning the ban on contraception?

Speaker 1: 50:53

It's been a long time, okay. So wait a minute. Okay. So we're looking at married priests, we're looking at intercommunion is the one that scares me even more than married priests. Married priests is like one of those things where Not that big of a deal. It depends how they handle it. If they just make like an avenue for it, it's like, okay, so you get some good married men in there, it might even backfire on them.

Speaker 2: 51:16

But I doubt it. Eastern Catholics have it. It doesn't violate doctrine.

Speaker 1: 51:28

It's not that bad. Eastern catholics already have it, yeah, yeah so. So married priest isn't a deal breaker, but intercommunion, to me, is just the greatest sacrilege, because just like allowing communion for the divorce and remarried by allowing people to approach the sacrament that haven't gone to confession, things like that like you're just talking about widespread sacrilege at that point and you and you see that is what they were like leaning towards under francis, even by him inviting all these people to rome to let go and celebrate their fake liturgies in saint peter's, things like that and the german sonata way, was doing it.

Speaker 2: 51:53

heiner wilmer, who was francis's first choice for number two once he fired mueller, then fired cardinal ladaria, ferrer, federer, whatever his name is, he picked Heiner Wilmer. Heiner Wilmer was a big fan of this. So what I was saying? Just to connect the dots, Francis's agenda had to go far slower than all of the mafiosi. The Sankt Gallen guys thought it would go In eight years. They didn't accomplish half of what uncle Ted said he would accomplish in five. All they accomplished was a Morris Letizia with a definitive check Um the Amazon synod at the outbreak of COVID.

Speaker 2: 52:30

That was supposed to be checkmark number two. Women deacons, Remember the attachment document at the Amazon synod Carita, Amazonia, that was supposed to be it. He had to back it off because they were so shocked by the American pushback. So it went slower and they couldn't believe how much American conservative pushback they were getting. So now they're like, let's get an American conservative in there. Maybe they had him, I don't know start voting Republican earlier, if that's true, that he was actually voting in Republican primaries and we'll address that. And he will just continue getting agenda items two, three, four. So he might just be identical to Francis on the key issues. He won't be identical in all ways, though.

Speaker 1: 53:09

Yeah, yeah, no. And even the him registering as a Republican thing, like, and because I saw Charlie Kirk tweeted out today, he's like I'm seeing that the guy was pro-life. It's like the pro-life thing is such low-hanging fruit and I don't mean that it's not important, but it's like I watched Cardinal Wuerl, I watched Cardinal McCarrick all of them going to the March for Life every year. They know exactly what to say to get you to let your guard down so that you think they're a good guy.

Speaker 2: 53:37

I mean, this is One of the Golan or lavender mafia or even the German sonata ways issues. They never cared about gender ideology, so shut the front door about. Francis was anti gender ideology Cause? Cause they're a bunch of homos. They don't. They're not trannies yeah, they're a bunch of homos, so they don't care about that and almost don't care about abortion. They don't have to worry about it because they're not running around, uh, laying pipe with the ladies. They're not impregnating the ladies. So don't tell me that those evidence are a rightward shift. It's nonsense. So so what?

Speaker 1: 54:11

hope do we have now? So, like because I had I've had several phone calls today from a lot of normies that, like that, like just my phone's been ringing all day, not not from like podcast friends, from like just regular friends. Like, what does this mean? What does this mean? And it's like I don't see it as being much different as the past 12 years. Like you're, you're going to still have your sacraments, you're going to go to mass, you're going to pray your rosary and you're going to just live out the Catholic faith and try to be a saint. Like I don't know why people would blackpill on this. It's the same thing. You're just going to see the culture degenerate way more because the church is not going to be there to be the stalwart against this stuff.

Speaker 2: 54:48

Exactly, exactly. This is exactly what I'm saying. It's basically going to be Francis too. I don't think it's going to be significantly worse. I think the first couple of years when even some of the trads might have the rose colored glasses on, they just bought themselves another two or three years to make nice and to have it be easier than the climate was for Pope Francis. I don't think he's going to be a lot worse. I think he'll be similar and I think he's going to push the Golan agenda. Remember Cardinal Casper first proposed agenda item one, communion for the divorce, and civilly remarried in a jp2 synod in 1982. These guys called the long game and this is what the permanent instruction of the alt of indita said they were going to do, and what's they've done? So it's just, it's just more francis, and that's what that's what the people forget about the alt of indita.

Speaker 1: 55:39

The alt of indita has been a century or more long plan to not get a Freemason as Pope, but to get a Pope who's just in line with the Freemasonic ideals. So when Francis passed, the Freemasons were like, hey, he was our guy, it's sad that he's gone. So now, if you get another guy, that's just like that, but he's a little more savvy, especially to the american way of thinking. Because francis really did have, like a, an allergy to america. He was south american and he just despised america. That was what was so interesting about them getting an american. It's like you. You would think they would have said, okay, america is this huge superpower, we don't want to align the church with america, but they would just think about that alone. They would never elect a guy who has right-leaning views, who's from America. It would just never, ever, ever happen.

Speaker 2: 56:33

Of course not. Of course not. Um and Ryan, my friend Ryan, who came on the podcast a couple of times, he's actually starting um, um, uh, work and pray side and he's going to do some youtube bids. He's going to go live today with his first, but youtube blocked it. Um, he just said, it just hit me.

Speaker 2: 56:51

Leo the 13th wrote an encyclical on america. Oh, on americanism, we're on americanism. So that that's a. That's a little. That's a little nod there. Also, you might not know this, but liberals clueless like shit libs in the church, morons have the kind that would teach at Catholic school in the 90s and early 2000s. They would try to claim Rerum Novarum, as always, the leftist document. This was very common in the 90s and early 2000s. It's not claimed anymore. But that that's the kind of stuff we're talking about. If we got a sort of boomer shit lib, oh, rear of Navarro's leftism nonsense. And you heard, I think, James Martin and you heard some CNN people reporting on this is why Leo for the 14th might've picked his name. I think that's right together with the Americanism bit.

Speaker 1: 57:43

Yeah, he's, you know he he's gonna. It was just like francis picking francis. It was the same thing, like francis didn't pick a post-conciliar name either. He picked francis because they have this hippie version of francis, of saint francis, in their head that they've always tried to like, uh, take over and put forth right, like the whole thing with Francis being a climate guy or something because he spoke to animals. They've always tried to co-opt the narrative of St Francis and that's why Francis picked that name. He's going to pick Leo the 14th. We wanted Leo the 14th because we thought he'd be based. But he's going to pick Leo the 14th because they're going to cherry pick some of the things Leo did and they're going to co-op them and put them to their own purposes.

Speaker 2: 58:27

Well, and they know how to play the one note songers out there, the, the only liturgical, the, the, the, the trat, the liturgy, only trads. They're just going to be like oh, these guys love Leo the 13th. He's like my favorite Pope. I was saying I wanted to Leo the 14th too, but it's gonna buy it. Buys them some time, bro, that's all they're doing. That.

Speaker 3: 58:47

Buys them six to twelve months, just with that pontifical name well, look what happened, even with the garvey war on the loggia. You like war to more traditional and everybody's like falling over themselves they're all.

Speaker 2: 58:58

They're all shitting in their pants in a happy way. I, you know, I'm shitting in my pants over a sad way. We all, we all need a change of pants today and literally that that garb he wore bottom. Another six to twelve months of pushing the ball forward. These are the long, the winter warriors, the winter soldiers. They're in it for the long game or permanent destruction of the alt of vendita. If he repeals traditionis custodians, that's another 18 months. Right there, they're buying themselves time to get more of the they're gonna ratchet it back a tiny bit.

Speaker 1: 59:30

This guy's young, he's 69, so the first year and a half could be all gifts to us to make us let our guard down and think we have a good pope, right. But this, this is what did it for me. A chance encounter with father martin and austin ivory reveals their papal candidate. While strolling around Borgo Pio, I ran into none other than the Jesuit James Martin and Britain Austin Ivory, two of the most enthusiastic supporters of Pope Francis' pontificate and tireless defenders of the synodal, inclusive and dialogue-oriented approach, at least on paper. Upon seeing them, my friend and travel companion wanted to say hello. So we introduced ourselves we're from InfoVaticana. The reaction was immediate and frankly revealing. James Martin, author of Building a Bridge, that book that claims to build bridges between the church and those on the margins, turned his back on us without saying a word. No dialogue, no bridge, not even a greeting, just a wall, quite telling we must not be his type, oh gosh. Austin Ivory, on the other hand, did speak to us, though perhaps he wishes he hadn't Visibly upset, and increasingly so as the conversation went on. He stood up, came over to us and strongly reproached us for the campaign he believes we're running against Cardinal Robert Prevost. Very interesting campaign you're running against Prevost, he said with a tone mixed with anger and frustration. When we replied no, not against Prevost, against the culture of cover-up in the church. Are you now in favor of that? The discomfort was palpable. Nervously, ivorite, referenced the sodalitium as supposed origin of information. When we explain that there are many cases, all documented, he sarcastically insisted that the info about Ikana always has more, referring to the documents we've been publishing on this matter. His reaction left no doubt. Prevost was their man, the candidate in whom they had placed all their hopes.

Speaker 1: 1:01:21

The scene could not have been more telling. Just hours before the conclave begins, the insiders are nervous, not because anyone is slandering pre-boss, but because the truth is coming to light, because the documents, the testimonies and omissions are there, documented and published, and more are on the way. Like that was their guy. Like you said, this has been very long in the making. They made him not say anything that we could just pin him down on that. He said something like that whole campaign of John Henry Weston and Bishop Strickland before. Like it, before Francis even passed, when he got sick a few weeks back.

Speaker 1: 1:01:58

They were like we cannot accept a heretical Pope and we can't allow this man to get universal jurisdiction. Him coming out in all that beautiful papal garb picking the name leo the 14th is so that all of us go, let's give him a chance, like don't. Let him get his peaceful acceptance. The first year is going to be him giving us treats here and there. But he even gave his thesis on that, loja, today, when he said synodality is the way forward, dialogue open to the church, all that stuff. That this is what we have, guys. You don't have to blackpill about it. It just is what it is. It's what the church has been and we're in for a battle. You were born for combat. You're still in combat. Nothing's changed.

Speaker 2: 1:02:40

Exactly, by the way. By the way, a hat tip to American Reform, one of my favorite Twitter accounts. He just sent me Leo the 14th is anti-death penalty. Francis too, and I. I just retweeted it. Follow me on Twitter at Timothy E ology If you want it. I can read it in a second, do you want? Can you read that, ste steffy? I just retweeted it.

Speaker 3: 1:03:08

american reform american reform on april 18th 2022. Then robert cardinal prevost gave an interview to la republica where he said quote, not personally but the church teaches that the death penalty is is inadmissible. The store in the story by the news outlet. The prelate was described as follows Following the abuse suffered by a girl in the Lembeyesk region, the bishop of the Diocese of Chicleo, monsignor Robert Prevost, rejected these violent acts that generated indignation among the population. However, he said that the church does not accept the death penalty and proposes joint work to avoid similar situations for justice to prevail.

Speaker 2: 1:03:54

So anti-death penalty. Add that to your list. People I mean that's only radicals are anti-death penalty. That's a really radical position for the church because it's so anti-Jesus talking to Pontius Pilate, so anti-St Paul, so anti the whole Bible. Death penalty stances are really really particular to only two popes JP II, francis, and now three popes Leo XIV, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:04:24

Were there any other highlights that you came across? I thought it was interesting, even the idea that the USAID money they're trying to fight populism so they put an American in. That's up against Trump, like just that stark contrast and I think this will probably benefit Trump in some way. I don't know, it's so weird how they they think they're doing one thing and it winds up backfiring on them always, um, always right, like they think they're gonna do something and it's gonna, but it's just gonna want. I mean, they put mackleroy in dc and now they have an american, but I cannot believe we have an american quote. It is going to be bizarre. It is you're perfectly american english in interviews it is.

Speaker 2: 1:05:05

It was so weird. No, we haven't look. Can we talk about that for a second? It's gonna be bizarre to hear perfectly american english in interviews. Also, it's a little scary for guys that do what you and I do, because he understands it, it being the american social media right-wing Catholic pushback better than Francis. I don't know how shrewd he is about it, he's still 69. Boomers don't really get stuff like that, but he gets it better than Francis. It always baffled Francis and I'm now worried about things like threat of excommunication Episcopal threats of excommunication. I don't know about you that.

Speaker 1: 1:05:41

This is a whole yeah dude, like there's, there's a chance, like some of you guys that are doing this that are bigger, like the bigger guys, like you or Taylor or like some of you guys, might get like personally called out Like they know. You guys, this isn't Francis in Rome, who's from South America. This is a Bishop from Chicago who understands the American landscape and understands the opposition he's going to be facing. Like you, you, you saw Vigano get excommunicated Do you not think a guy like father Dave Nix is going to be on the chopping block? Like are you kidding me? This is all going to happen.

Speaker 2: 1:06:18

I know it kind of makes me wish I hadn't fucked with Austin ivory last week, cause I mean I was, and I've literally been tweeting at him ever since then. I it's uncomfortable, bro. I mean he's been to wrigley field and he knows what the hell a hot dog is, but it's got more lethal implications for guys like you or me no, it really does, though that's not even like downplaying it.

Speaker 1: 1:06:41

This guy responded to you before the conclave. This is the guy who was the papal biographer for the last Pope. He's now responding to you personally on Twitter, addressing some of the things you're saying. Like you think you're just going to go to me, you may get an excommunication from your Bishop.

Speaker 2: 1:06:58

I'm right, I'm. I'm actually really frightened. Yeah, I mean all they have to give you a warning and I've always got the pivot point. I mean God, god willing, deasville the main thing I planned on talking about in 2025, um, papal death or no papal death has been the, the, the culture creation, the internet, breaking the shockwave of what a woman is Cause that that movie's going to come out and it's going to break everything, everything bad culturally speaking, in the Anglosphere. So I'm going to pivot to talking about that. I I've only temporarily pivoted to talk talking about the Pope. Again, I was done talking about Francis. I've said everything I ever needed to say about Francis and there there's no more to that story. But now we have francis too, so we have to talk about it.

Speaker 1: 1:07:47

I'll be happy it's day one like can we? That's what? So, okay, so rob, like I said before we came on, rob was even debating. He's like I don't know if I even want to come on, like I don't know, let's give the guy, just because his catholic sensibilities were kicking in and I was like that's, it's a good instinct, like I understand it. But it's day one like I want to just come in and lay it out on the table and then we figure out kind of a battle plan and what we're going to do. And what we're going to do is just live our lives as catholics and we're going to go to mass and hope that things don't get so chaotic that we're like I don't want to talk about the pope, it's just the first freaking day. The guy just came out. How do you not discuss this?

Speaker 4: 1:08:22

I I know what do you say, rob oh, I mean, I think I think we need to go over, obviously, what he's done in sid as a priest, as a bishop, as as a cardinal. Um, we need to know who was elected and we should discuss that. But obviously we can't judge his papacy yet right, and I don't think any of us are or are trying to do that. You know, we have to wait to see what he does and actually says as Pope, but no, we should definitely discuss who he is, why he was elected, who maybe elected him, for what reasons, and things of that nature.

Speaker 2: 1:09:10

Yeah, why he was elected. Who maybe elected him, for what reasons, and things of that nature. Yeah, don't you think who elected him is more important than really what he does? The next, the next three to six months, what he does will all be first hundred days crap and it's all going to be boons and positioning and preliminary posturing. What's far more important is out there now. It's who were the kingmakers here, and it was mara diaga supich and at the non level, the lower level than the cardinal, it even james martin sj. That that's all I need to know sorry, you saw a whirl.

Speaker 1: 1:09:36

You saw a whirl smiling from ear to ear, also out in the crowd today. Yeah, there was. There was video of him really happy. Um I, you know, I think there was a very uh like a tight-knit group of guys who knew exactly what was going to happen. They got the exact, exact outcome they were going to get. I also think it'll be interesting to see um how they hit like I don't know what people interviews are going to look like anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:10:01

Remember, like all those crazy airplane interviews francis would give, like I, I wonder if this guy will, this guy, if pope leo the 14th will handle things a little differently than francis's outlandish style, like I think we're all going to be lulled into, yeah, this guy's not so bad like I'm prepared for it. But you know what? Enjoy that period of you. Know a little bit of peace, just know what we have, that's all just like. Know a little bit of peace, just know what we have, that's all. Just understand what you're really dealing with. And when the next synod comes up, just expect you're not going to get a correction of the mistakes, it's just going to keep continuing.

Speaker 2: 1:10:38

And that's what we're dealing with Agreed. I'm almost 100% certain he'll be a lot nicer than Francis, because Francis was just one of the meanest guys ever so yeah so for him to be as mean as france. Francis was just mean to everyone, remember. He called. He called all the media, people shit eaters. He called us coprophagia. I didn't even know what the hell a cop phagiac was. I didn't know you could. Who called us shit?

Speaker 1: 1:11:08

eaters. Man, there was some fun. There was some fun francis highlights despite the mayhem, but you know, what was really fun was the interregnum. Interregnum was very enjoyable. It was like you had like two, two weeks of like no pressure. You nobody could call you a set of a contest or a crypto setting. It was like there's nobody for me to like. We're all in this boat. It was a really enjoyable two weeks that we had.

Speaker 2: 1:11:31

I said that to Steph when we were walking. We did a little walk right before I came on with you. And I just I mean, look, I'm not a huge authoritarian guy, but I'm a monarchist because I'm a Catholic. The pope is a monarch, but I enjoy. I enjoy aristocracy much more than than monarchy. Even if monarchy is theoretically the best foreign government, I accept it.

Speaker 1: 1:11:51

But I enjoyed the interrenium too, so much especially because, like, we still knew, like, the authority of peter is still there. There's just nobody in the chair. It's not like we're denying the papacy, we're not denying. It's not like we're going protest papacy, we're not denying. It's not like we're going Protestant. During that time, you're still very Catholic. And then, plus, you got to see the beauty of the Catholic faith on full display before the entire world, which is always a sight to behold, like it really is.

Speaker 1: 1:12:17

I said to my wife last night, like we were just laying in bed talking, I was like it is so freaking awesome being Catholic, like and I was like it is so freaking awesome being Catholic, like it's so exciting when you get events like this coming up, there's always something to focus on. Like I think a lot of shows should maybe focus in on doing some, maybe some church history stuff, maybe some stuff on the fathers, maybe even studying the Aryan heresy, to like give you something typological to compare it to. Like we're going to have to do some deep dives into some crises in the church in the past and stuff, so that we understand, look, it's still Christ church it's. You know, there's still.

Speaker 1: 1:12:54

I see it like this. I've said it 19 times already, but yeah, we're in the passion of the church. But it's going to look so bad that you're going to think all hope is lost. And then God is going to do something dramatic. So that you're going to think all hope is lost, and then God is going to do something dramatic so that you cannot mistake it was God's doing like we, like it could be something linked with the third secret of Fatima, where a city's half in ruins, something like that. Like we don't know what it's going to look like, but it's going to be interesting and it's still fun to be Catholic. And it's still amazing because, even with all of these things we're talking about, the whole world is still looking to Rome, because Rome is the most important seat in the entire history of the world.

Speaker 2: 1:13:33

Nick Fuentes had an excellent tweet today, something to the effect of like the whole world wants to be Catholic, Come on. You've been on this note, but he's a guy who really gets it and he was like everyone wants come on. Rome's at the center of the world, Just admit it. Everyone wants to be Protestants, EOs, Jews, Muslims, miscellaneous, as Reverend Lovejoy calls it Apu Nahasapima Petalon. You know the miscellaneous brown guys that worship like 20 million. Sorry if my language is a little bawdy for this show, I should have asked. I forgot On. Sorry, if my language is a little bawdy for this show, I should have asked. I forgot On my show. I kind of let go.

Speaker 3: 1:14:05

A lot of women in chat are really upset at you right now, Tim. A lot of girls.

Speaker 2: 1:14:10

I wasn't trying to get all the girls bitching in chat.

Speaker 1: 1:14:14

You guys have to know Tim's got a potty mouth by now. Come on, we've been watching him for years, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:14:19

I'm telling them they're in there, they're, they're upset, they're mad. Sorry ladies, sorry, I know it's impolite to to talk shit.

Speaker 2: 1:14:33

It's super mean. But come on, we're just being honest here. Just grow up girls.

Speaker 1: 1:14:35

All right, grow up, get mature, we're all adults. You did like three hours off the cuff today and it was really amazing to watch you just like handling information coming in on the spot. Man, I was just sitting there and all watching because you didn't know anything about the guy at first and you, just like I was, I was texting you stuff to like give you material for the show. I'm like, oh, check this out, check this out. But it was just so awesome to watch this, this dramatic moment where the Pope comes out on the loggia and then just all this information comes flooding. Where the Pope comes out on the loja and then just all this information comes flooding. I'm telling you, I watched Taylor today and Taylor was just like whoa, he just looked overwhelmed. I saw I talked to Michael Hichborn same thing.

Speaker 1: 1:15:13

Like what's funny is you're going to see a lot of guys come out and try to sugarcoat this. I watched Eric Sammons and Tim Flanders today and they were trying to sugarcoat this and stuff. But behind the scenes, all your favorite guys are texting each other doom and gloom. It's like we're screwed this and that, but it's just why not just get out and say it and then we'll deal with it as it comes, like it's going to be instances of things happening and we'll handle them as they come. It is what it is Like. Come on, I'm not going to sit here and pretend. It is what it is Like. Come on, I'm not going to sit here and pretend.

Speaker 2: 1:15:43

Yeah, thanks for the compliment and thanks for sending me. You sent me I think they're both from you the two most true North articles that. That enabled me to find my bearing relatively quickly, and then I was pursuing some stuff live on air. So so, thanks for that. And, uh, I think you're you're probably the closest to me on this and I knew you were going into the conclave. So, yeah, just just hold, hold fast, it's it's. He is francis too. I don't think he. I think he's going to be a lot more tactful for the for the first couple of years. He's not going to start saying that we reproduce like rabbits, or who am I to judge? But he's going to be francis too. Just just hold fast with me. Strong there, anthony. And uh, we'll see. Time will tell. I have this tidbit. I had way better info.

Speaker 1: 1:16:29

If you've got anything you want to throw in. One funny thing I did see today. I saw Matt Fradd and Scott Hahn live on air, get the information that we got a new pope, and the two of them were also on air. What do you mean? We got a new pope. He's calling himself Leoo and as they're reading about him, you just see their face of like shock droop and they're like oh, oh wait, oh, he's very in line with francis on divorce and remarried catholics receiving communion. Oh, wait, he's this. Oh and like. As they're reading, they're like, okay, like you just saw the weight of everything dropping on them, but they're like, let's just, let's just say three hail marys right now. It's like dude, we're all in this together. I don't care what, what the pope's leaders say about me. It's the day of the freaking election of the pope. We're finding things out, we're going to talk about it. You guys can be mad is what it is, but any of the tidbits before we get off for sure yeah, I like.

Speaker 2: 1:17:24

I like that expression very much. You know me behind the scenes. I'm a very kind of all for one guy. When we actually talk, and I love that expression, we're all in it together because we are just don't start lying. I hate, I hate lying, I just I. I'm a guy, I really I'm a straight talker. I love the truth. I'm a former academic that had to clean up my language, not necessarily not the potty mouth, but I mean get it, get it out of the the, the academic parlance. So I now have just found a love for not just the truth I always had that but but straight talk and um, we're all in it together, even if we talk about it slightly in slightly different terms. Just, please, no one start lying. You know we'll give him credit where credit's due. I think he does think more highly, regard more highly the TLM than Francis, but that doesn't mean much. But dig this.

Speaker 2: 1:18:14

Pope Leo XIV's first televised mass with the College of Cardinals will be on Friday, may the 9th, at 11 am local time. That's five your guys' time, four, my time, anthony and Rob. The Mass will be celebrated in the Sistine Chapel and broadcast live on Vatican News YouTube channel and EWTN, global Catholic Network. Did you know Bishop Strickland also went on Glenn Beck this afternoon? No, oh, that I'm going to go watch. Right now I have to go on, quite frankly, his podcast. I'm exhausted.

Speaker 1: 1:18:45

Dude, I really do feel bad for you, man. You did three hours straight on your show and then I felt bad, even asking you. I was like dude, do you mind coming on and talking about this? You're like no, I'll come on, I'll come on, it's a big day.

Speaker 2: 1:18:59

It's a big day and I'm like I should have put this on my show. I'll put it on Anthony's.

Speaker 3: 1:19:03

You've been training for this right Last couple of days.

Speaker 2: 1:19:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got the extra nap this morning, so thanks for bringing me on. That's very interesting what I'm hearing about, beck, but that's all speculation. I won't. I won't say that.

Speaker 3: 1:19:20

Poor Bishop.

Speaker 1: 1:19:21

Strickland man, like we were were. I was like maybe we'll get someone in that'll like put him back in somewhere. He doesn't, he's not gonna go back to tyler, but maybe he'll give him some kind of you know even a courtesy position somewhere or something like poor bishop strickland, that guy's heart gotta be crushed today, I know the guy who takes him out is the guy who gets elected.

Speaker 2: 1:19:39

Oh, I know, I know the guy that the guy that gave him the ax, that the henchman is the guy that gets elected, that he was probably open more than any copesplaining popesplainer for Bishop Sarah. Last thing I'll say okay, yeah, you know everyone's calling me blackpilled. I didn't have any hope, but I do love Cardinal Sarah. I think he's super cool and, yes, we've heard him say his name. Finally, it's Sarah, not Sarah. Oh wow, Okay good.

Speaker 1: 1:20:08

I've been saying it wrong for years.

Speaker 2: 1:20:10

It's like a person. The name is Sarah, but when I heard, when I heard on the loja, cardinal Robert, oh, me too. In my little brain I had one thing.

Speaker 1: 1:20:25

I was like could I be? No, you don't have to say it, I was watching your, I was watching your live stream and you're like did he say Prevost? Wait, did he say Prevost? You guys had to double check. You're like wait, did I hear what I think I heard? Because as soon as I heard it, my heart sank and I was listening to you try to figure out if that maybe I misheard this, that I mishear this and you had to go back and get confirmation of it. It was like all of us heard that robert at first and I was like what robert?

Speaker 2: 1:20:55

could this be robert, sarah? And then I was like could it be like a cardinal, provost? Is there some office or title that I don't know of? Because there are. There are priestinals, there are Bishop cardinals and there are deacon cardinals. That doesn't mean that they're deacons or priests, only they're all cardinals. But I was like provost, is that a thing? And then I was like no, that's a, that's a bad American, that's a, that's a Chicago or however you say that. And I but it was Robert threw me. I was like one little part of my heart just leapt and I was like could this be Sarah? Could there be no conspiracies? Could everything turn out all right? And of course I was like F.

Speaker 1: 1:21:31

No, I was listening for three names. I was listening for Parolin, tagle or him or Prevost, like those were the three names I had my ear cued for. I was almost hoping it would be somebody I'd never heard of. I was almost hoping it would be somebody I never heard of. But, like I said, those days leading up I started hearing his name pop up and I'm like why is everybody? The first person I heard throw it out was Jonathan Morris, the priest who used to be in New York who got laicized and he went and got married To a woman.

Speaker 5: 1:21:56

Yeah, To a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was at least straight.

Speaker 1: 1:21:58

But he was the first one I heard throw that name out last week and he said hey, there's two American Cardinals that you guys shouldn't just write off right away. One was Prevost and one was Dolan. And when he said that I was like I'm going with Dolan on this, I don't want to hear Prevost Don't even tell me that I want to go with Dolan, because I knew Prevost was a Francis guy and Dolan wasn't. And I just thought the USAID connection was going to play heavily into this election because they got millions of their money shut off. Man, that was a faucet of like tons of money shut off. And I really did think Dolan was in the running and if he would have got elected it would have been a time of you know what. He would have been just as bad. He would have been just as bad. Why am I even?

Speaker 1: 1:22:44

I don't know, it might have been worse.

Speaker 4: 1:22:51

It might have been worse in some ways, because you would have got your hope up a little.

Speaker 1: 1:22:53

Yeah, don't loves this, he loves the spotlight, and I was literally gonna come out and be like I am his michael lofton. You're all celebrating catholic ramadan. Shut up, let's go.

Speaker 2: 1:23:03

That's's just that New Yorker in you. Man, come on the queen. He marches with the queens. Give me a break. No, I love you guys. Thanks for having me on this. This might be the first day I ever literally streamed for six plus hours.

Speaker 1: 1:23:17

Yeah, man you did a good job. Today you were cutting. It was you and Joe McClain and Anthony Stein I was glued to today. I was bouncing between the two of your streams. All of you guys did an awesome job. I had such fear of missing out. I had such FOMO watching you guys. I wanted to jump on stream with somebody. I'm like I'm at work. I couldn't even do it. So, tim, we're going to let you go Me and Rob does.

Speaker 2: 1:23:45

we will help you promote it all right, thanks, brother, and and take, take care both of you, rob and anthony.

Speaker 1: 1:23:50

God bless you, tim. We'll see you later, brother, peace. So okay. So what do? What do we think in our audience? I didn't, I didn't want to just jump off like that. I know, uh, um, you know, people probably still have their thoughts. I wanted to be able to interact with you guys. When I'm interviewing people, sometimes I don't get to pay attention to the comments and stuff dude, it's been a wild chat yeah, I'm sure like four times as busy as normal I well, yeah, there's 3600 people watching right now.

Speaker 1: 1:24:20

So the thing well, yeah, well you too, 1400 on youtube which is our biggest stream ever ever.

Speaker 1: 1:24:28

Yeah, yeah. So please hit, like and subscribe. Um, I'm going to. I'm gonna say, I want to make it very clear, like we're not going to be the opposition to the pope show ever, like that's just not going to be us. We're going to handle this the same way we handle francis, like if something big comes out, we'll talk about it and we'll tell you, we'll discuss how we're going to handle that thing, but like he's still the Pope, he is the Pope and he's Pope Leo the 14th. So we're going to just, you know, I, I, okay. So two weeks ago we had that show and I said to you things are going to get very bad. I think we could get a really bad candidate in and I think it's going to be our job to make sure people understand. This is actually part of the story. Any chance you'll reconsider that, francis.

Speaker 4: 1:25:17

And now Leo might actually represent the truth, I mean the BBC opposes your position. I mean, I don't know about Leo yet, but no, come on um, no, mike, this is a revolution, bro, come on man if I were to say that, then I'd have to say the previous 265 popes were wrong and I'm sorry, it's just too it too too stark of a contrast for me to make sense of Like.

Speaker 1: 1:25:45

look, I do think Tim is right in one thing, in that a Pope will have to come along and make a hermeneutic of continuity to make all of this make sense. Otherwise the gates of hell prevailed, and the studies were right. I mean, I think a Pope could come along and adjust some of the things that were a little whack.

Speaker 4: 1:26:05

I don't think you don't have to pull the benedict. You know hermeneutic continuity. I think you can say like almost everything that's happened since 1962 has been done in a fallible way, and guess what? It was all wrong, I think. I think that would be pretty easy to do, but that is still a hermeneutic continuity.

Speaker 1: 1:26:21

It's showing that, okay, some mistakes were, we got to fine-tune them. We have to get rid of this.

Speaker 4: 1:26:26

Look the church over the long term, I mean yes, the church as a whole always has a hermeneutic, a continuity to it, right, otherwise it's not the church.

Speaker 1: 1:26:39

Yeah, so during the Aryan crisis there were some wacky things in the church. But crisis there, you know there were some wacky things in the church, but over time when you look, back.

Speaker 4: 1:26:47

He meant it in a way where we can somehow fit all these things together in a way to make sense, whereas what you're going to need to do is cut some of the things just straight.

Speaker 1: 1:26:55

Yeah I, I think so. I don't see how it works and I and look. The craziest thing about this whole interregnum period was like there's goodwill between catholics I might have to re-watch this movie yeah, I don't know who the uncle from.

Speaker 1: 1:27:13

I can't think of I know mrs doubtfire is, but um, the this whole period of interregnum there were people reaching out to me that I hadn't spoken to in a while, that like there was friction between us and we were making amends. Like the period of set of interregnum was instead of a Conte was really cool, man, like I don't know, I don't. Like I said today, was day one. Joe Bunch of the gay hairdresser.

Speaker 5: 1:27:44

The guy that talks like this, the gay hairdresser uncle, the guy that talks like this.

Speaker 4: 1:27:49

I think that's who he's talking about the gay makeup I'm going to have to rewatch it, I can't.

Speaker 1: 1:27:55

Yeah. So look, If Tim's right about the concessions that are made to us, I'm just going to enjoy those agreed like. I'm just gonna take the wins where we get them he could definitely be right.

Speaker 4: 1:28:12

I mean, you know, maybe the, the actual papal vestments and the traditional latin blessing and and stuff today were were bones thrown to the trads, could definitely be true, might be true, probably true. But I'll take it. You know, it doesn't mean I'm not gonna dude if we not criticize something he teaches or says in the future if it's, if it's bad, right yeah and especially if it needs clarification for other catholics to understand where something and Tim is 100% right there's a lot more to the traditional faith than just the TLM.

Speaker 4: 1:28:48

Yeah, but having some of it is still better than having none of it, especially when I'm trying to raise kids. The visuals of the vestments, all that stuff it is important. It's not everything, it's not even the most important thing, but it's something. With Francis, we had nothing yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:29:06

So if it gets kicked back to some more rules which I can't imagine, I I I think what they'll do is they'll give the indult to people who request it. I don't think they'll ever go back to some more rules, because that means any priest that wants to say it can say it without their bishop's permission, and I think that'll be out of control for them. I do want to address that question real quick, rob. I want to um at the one I had up there, uh who was it by?

Speaker 1: 1:29:34

uh, let me see if I can find it. Uh, okay, genuinely, guys, do you think? Don't you think it does more harm than good obsessing over who voted, mafia, nonsense, conspiracies, that they're all gay? Can't we start neutral at the minimum? Yeah, it could be. I would, like I said this was day one. This isn't going to be. Like our show was never that. Our show was never like opposition to the pope, like I just wanted to hear the truth so that everybody doesn't have false expectations. That's really what it came down to. It's like I don't want anybody to have false expectations. Like we know what this is. It is francis, the second. Like mike lewis is in the chat. Mike lewis is going to be very happy with this guy. So I spoke to mike uh yesterday, the day before, and I was like what do you think of pizza ball?

Speaker 1: 1:30:20

because, like, I really bought into the whole pizza ball thing, like thinking he could be the, the dark, the dark compromise, the compromise candidate, and he was like I'll be honest, I don't even know why trads are so excited about him, because we don't know much about him. And I was like you're kind of right, like we don't know what that would have been anyway and it's yeah, yeah. So let's talk about some of these, like supposedly, um prevost received an indult and an indult and celebrated the tlm, like we are hearing rumors like that. I think that I think the the positive sides will be the hostilities are going to be attempted to be lessened, right? I? I really do think that. I think that a big part of the tension between the Pope and the church were the American church and the trad movement within the American church and if they just settle that down a bit, I think a lot of the things will calm down a lot. Do you really think a future Pope is going to agree with your position in full?

Speaker 4: 1:31:22

seriously, In full. No, because no Pope ever agrees with, even with, your position in full, seriously in full. No, because that no pope ever agrees with any, even any other pope in full.

Speaker 1: 1:31:30

Right, but if we're talking like, do I think a future pope is going to agree with all the actual you know, dogma and infallible doctrine of the church in the future in full, then yes, yeah, this is a major thing that we're gonna have to contend with, also because we don't know how, if he starts doing things that the secular world doesn't like, are they going to throw this in his face?

Speaker 4: 1:31:54

because there's plenty of reports out there that are going to be troubling the secular world didn't do that with francis, and he was just as bad or worse. So no, I don't think the secular world will do it will. Will the catholic world, hopefully, do it? Hopefully?

Speaker 1: 1:32:08

yeah, it's, it's gonna be an interesting uh run forward. Um, I'm, I'm not going to black pill about anything, I just don't. I don't, I don't know. I'm just gonna be catholic man. That's what we do like we just we just live our faith out and you know major news stories we'll address when they come um it's uh, yeah, I don't know man it's it I think everybody had their hopes so high.

Speaker 1: 1:32:39

We heard so many stories in the media that don't underestimate these the fact that these cardinals were not allowed to meet up. I think all of that was coordinated. I think there was a. It looked like it was, uh, like francis dropped the bag, like, oh no, he fumbled the bag, he didn't let these guys meet up. But I think all of that was very intentional. I think this is very planned and coordinated.

Speaker 1: 1:33:05

It almost felt theatrical. Um, what did mike say? That hang on? Um, have we verified that francis ended his papacy under proper protocols? If he didn't do it right, leo might actually be, not actually be, pope. I'm a francis vic contest. I don't know what you're talking about. I do think some of, I do think some of the people who are like, so secure in their theories are it's like you, gotta. I don't know how anybody could do that Like, like, I don't know how anybody could be so secure in their Benny Plenism. It's like you. You can't make those declarations as laity. So we are just in a position where we sit back and we let things play out as they do and I think that I think that god will do something dramatic. Uh, rob, we should do a requisite ad while we have 1200.

Speaker 4: 1:34:00

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Speaker 1: 1:34:39

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Speaker 3: 1:34:56

I mean, I think, um, I yeah, it was just a wild day then.

Speaker 1: 1:35:02

Requivacatus.

Speaker 4: 1:35:03

Requivacatus. No, that will be what we are when they drop us.

Speaker 1: 1:35:11

The world will leave us alone for a little while longer, though many faithful Catholics still have a cross to bear. Let us learn to love it. Okay, so that's a good point, right? So as long as you have a pope that is in the image of the world, it means no physical persecution for us, like that was the drop side of getting a good pope. You get a like a solid, conservative pope and all of a sudden the world turns on you. But as long as you have a pope that the world believes is going in the direction they want them to go in, they're not gonna there's not gonna be any physical persecution for us.

Speaker 1: 1:35:46

In my opinion, the cardinals couldn't meet up and the guy who was seemingly pre-picked happened to be the one guy with access to all the cardinals that's a good point yeah, what's funny is me and bobby were on the phone last night at like 10 30 at night and he's like, dude, if there's no Pope by Monday, we're going to Rome. I'm like, oh my gosh, all right, we're going to Rome.

Speaker 4: 1:36:10

I almost was like you know, I really should. I need to get my passport so that we can just go on random. You know, if one crazy stuff happens, I'm not even kidding.

Speaker 1: 1:36:21

I'm on the phone with him at 1030 at night and he's like dude, we're going to Rome Monday and I'm sitting next to my wife in bed and my wife's like I have enough to worry about why. Why are you going to Rome? Like what do you have to worry about? Like what do you? Do you dig dirt in the backyard all day in your garden? Like what are you talking about?

Speaker 4: 1:36:38

I like Anthony. On one hand, you're like the world's going to end Cardinal versus Cardinal, rome's going to be the city in ruins. On the other hand, he's like I need to go to Rome in like three days, guys, don't think that thought hasn't crossed my mind.

Speaker 1: 1:36:52

That didn't cross my mind, though. I said to Bobby I go, dude. What if we go there? He's elected on May 13th and then all of a sudden something happens to fulfill the third secret, fatima, he goes, dude, I guess I guess I'm going to have a lot as a solo show then he goes, dude, we're there for the most important event in history what are you talking about?

Speaker 1: 1:37:10

you're gonna be skeletons, all right. Me and rob have a. Have an agreement where, if one of us goes, we will not stop until we raise a million dollars for the other spouse. That is the agreement we made.

Speaker 4: 1:37:21

So the other agreement is there won't ever be another co-host, because it's like being married you just don't get remade.

Speaker 1: 1:37:26

Yeah, the show just ends you paid 20 to ask us this so I have been to uh, I've been to the sspx.

Speaker 4: 1:37:38

There is an sspv not that, not that he's conflating the two. Everyone, no, no, no. Pull out the knives um.

Speaker 1: 1:37:47

I have been to an sspx I.

Speaker 4: 1:37:48

There is an sspv on long island um are they technically set of a contest or they said he privationist?

Speaker 1: 1:37:57

I think they're said I privationist, so like technically, this is a valid pope until he does something heretical right white wolf, we missed you yeah, we did so.

Speaker 1: 1:38:08

That's the other thing too. Right is this? This is a good question. I wasn't around in 2013 when francis was chosen. Was everyone in as pessimistic as they are? To know some, there were a few people who had the feeling, oh my goodness, a Jesuit from South America. This is something to worry about. But no, because media wasn't the same. There wasn't podcasts like this. The media landscape has completely changed, so it took so OK, so Francis gets elected in 2013 and he drops a few like oddball comments and 99% of Catholics, pope spleen, and we were like he didn't mean it like that. Like when he said the breeding like rabbits thing, we were a little taken back. Then he came out with the condoms comment about the, the, the Zika virus. It was like he was like, oh, what if the, if there?

Speaker 4: 1:39:06

if you're in an area where the Zika virus you could use condoms and, like the whole world, blew up and went crazy. And it was when was the first bad encyclical amorous, was it?

Speaker 1: 1:39:10

amorous. His first encyclical was actually co-written by benedict, so it was right. It was on evangelization, it was very well written and then, like the second half, it had some weird stuff in it. But we were like all right, you know what? Do you know like it came out right. Benedict wrote half of it and then francis wrote the other half and they released it.

Speaker 4: 1:39:26

It was like a co-written encyclical oh, I hope francis doesn't have one half written oh, my god, oh my gosh, please no that would be interesting that would be so him to get us? That would grave, that would be am I wrong, he probably half wrote one a decade ago, just for that so.

Speaker 1: 1:39:49

So then a morris came out. So he calls the synod on the family and like, because there was all these crazy news stories going off in the media and they and the things they were talking about at the synod on the family, he, francis, got rid of him when he was 75. Uh, he wrote something in first things recently, I don't I'm not sure and archbishop chaput.

Speaker 1: 1:40:20

Archbishop chaput, he was at the first synod on the family and he came out talking about some of the crazy things that were being talked about there and he was like I don't know what's going on here. This is, you know, they're not allowing like free discussion in these groups. So we all thought, okay, they were saying crazy things, but the pope is going to rein things in and francis wrote a morris letizia and then in the footnotes you started getting divorce for communion, for divorce and remarried, and he started talking about hell being contrary to the gospel. Then we started getting these interviews with the atheist reporter.

Speaker 4: 1:41:03

Yeah, sedano, not. Sedano Starts with the nest, though.

Speaker 1: 1:41:07

Come on, guys, help us in the chat. The atheist reporter who would not write things down, and Francis did that intentionally. We will try, we'll try to get to him. Yeah, if there's any super chats, we'll definitely go back and read them. Reporter who would not write things down, and francis did that intentionally. We will, we will try, we'll try to get to him. Yeah, if there's any super chats, we'll definitely go back and read them. Uh, so francis starts doing these interviews scalfari scalfari.

Speaker 1: 1:41:23

So he goes back and does these interviews with scalfari and they're not written down or recorded and scalfari starts saying some crazy things that francis said and the vatican doesn't clarify them. It's like, uh, like people, when they die if they don't believe in god, they just cease to exist, like annihilationism. Yeah, like wacky stuff, but it wasn't until mccarrick.

Speaker 4: 1:41:47

And when mccarrick comes out and dolan is the one who brings that thing forward publicly, so it was like a priest, which has got to be one reason why I mean not that, not that he was ever really in the running, but they had a guarantee he was never going to seriously be in the running, right ah, man, it is an interesting subject.

Speaker 1: 1:42:06

So dolan is the one who actually publicly like brings sanctions upon mccick. And when that happened, it was so much stuff had built up by that point that all of a sudden Vigano drops. And Vigano comes out and says everything he knows. And but even before that, like before Vigano came out, like Taylor started speaking up, like Taylor and Tim changed a lot, man, like they were very impactful where they were just like what the hell is happening here, like this is nuts, you know. And that started getting people talking. And then mccarrick happens. Vegano comes out.

Speaker 1: 1:42:44

Everybody was obsessed with the vegano stuff. Bishop strickland supported vegano and he was like, look, I've known the nuncio for a very long time. This stuff is very credible. We should really look into this. And it was just from there on. It was like this groundswell of opposition built to Francis within the Catholic right in America.

Speaker 1: 1:43:03

Tnt was the original Anthony and Rob. Well, the thing is also Tim. From when Rob and I first started this, tim was the first like mainstream guy to talk to us public, like to come on our show and give a shouts out on his show. He had me on his show, like he's always looked out for us, like he. Tim has always looked out for me and he is a good friend and he's, he's just, he's just great.

Speaker 1: 1:43:34

I got I don't know, I think I and he's, um, he's just, he's just great. Like I don't, I don't know, I think I think he's. I think he gets the conversation moving in ways where other people can't. I think he speaks in ways that other people can't. I mean, if you guys want to talk about who shifted the conversation on feminism, nobody did better than tim. Like his case for patriarchy book completely changed the way we talk about feminism, everything. So, but yeah, so that's how that kind of progressed. So now the difference in this is that we're all lived. We all lived through Francis, so we're all in our garden. A different way, you have to think about what it was like after john paul ii and benedict. We were all assuming we would just get another post-conciliar pope who would stand firm on moral issues. It never even crossed our mind that it could happen.

Speaker 4: 1:44:24

What happened under francis that was shocking to to 99 of catholics which is why it took so long for people to realize what he was yeah, like none of, and none of us wanted to speak out on this stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:44:37

Yeah, tim is it? Look, you don't. I don't agree with tim on everything. I don't agree with his spx stance. Um, you know what I do want to talk about? Like, can we play that other larry chap clip? Because I think that, like I don't know if people grasp how big of a deal this is, that larry chap is saying this. Like larry chap, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out how to, because, for the younger people especially, like how important of a figure he was in shaping the post-conceal, your conversation, like he was the benedict spokesman.

Speaker 4: 1:45:10

Essentially, I mean whatever, but like, like putting I mean at least he has been since that right, yeah, like I've known I've. I've see he's much more prominent recently no, well, I'm all right.

Speaker 1: 1:45:26

So, even if I'm not talking about larry chapp specifically, I'm talking about the larry chapp types well, the, are they concilium?

Speaker 4: 1:45:34

are they there?

Speaker 1: 1:45:35

yes, they're comunio guys. They're comunio guys, yeah so, but they, they love von balthazar. Like, look, other than the dare we hope stuff. Like von balthazar was very well respected amongst catholics until taylor, marshall and bishop, like once bishop baron came out with the dare we hope stuff publicly, that's when people started going oh I'm Baltazar, you got to watch that guy. But Pope Benedict spoke very highly of Von Baltazar, like very highly. So these guys were just hermeneutic of continuity guys and they were going to implement the council and they, they, they saw the papacy, they're the ones who taught us about papal infallibility, they're the ones who give Catholic answers, they're apologetic to go by. So for these guys to be talking like this is just shocking to me.

Speaker 4: 1:46:25

I mean yeah, they're basically the seed that created popesplaining.

Speaker 1: 1:46:31

Yeah, absolutely without a doubt, Because before them but look before the before taylor marshall and those guys started doing this publicly. You really only had the remnant and a couple of like the sspx guys, but but other than that it was like, like you looked at, we saw the sspx as schismatic, like without any nuance to it. It was the sspx is schismatic, don't ever go to their masses. That's how they were viewed by the church. Then you had the fssp. They were the good traditionalists, but the sspx, they were schismatic, never talked to them, and it wasn't until, like these conversations start having happening later on that we're like wait, maybe these guys kind of were onto something the whole time. Lefebvre gets seen in a whole new light. Lefebvre was like the villain before recent memory. Like now people are going back and they're rereading some of the things Lefebvre said and looking at the SEC meetings. We just looked over all that stuff. We didn't even know that stuff happened. So play that. Play that last Larry Chapp clip.

Speaker 4: 1:47:37

Okay, hold on a second. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 6: 1:47:42

Not that people are going to immediately pick up their marbles and go to a different game. You're going to, you know, and I would counsel this. I would say to people sit back, don't prejudge anything, sit back and see what unfolds. But you know, if the new pope comes along and you know, one year into his papacy issues a mode of appropriate that says we're not going to have gay marriage in the Catholic church, we're going to start ordaining women to the priesthood, and so okay, then you're looking at schism, you really are. There's no doubt about it. No doubt Now whether or not we would elect our own. But we might just do what the SSPX did and just back away temporarily from communion with Rome until Rome comes to its senses. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of forms.

Speaker 1: 1:48:31

No sure, and that's a remarkable potential turn of events. What he just said there is, I mean, that's a lot of forms, no sure, and that's a remarkable potential turn of events. I mean, what he just said there is incomprehensible to me, because I would not even go so far as to say that the Pope could issue an encyclical saying that gay marriage is OK. Like I still do not think the Pope could do that.

Speaker 4: 1:48:52

If if the person who everyone think is the pope were to do that, then it's clear he's not the pope he would be an anti-pope at that point right, but so for anyone who maybe didn't see the earlier clip, this is being said right after larry chap said something along the lines of it's not that we would think he's not the pope, we would just elect our own pope. Yeah right, so he. It seems like he's saying he thinks a legitimate pope could do that and that he would somehow be but they're going to start.

Speaker 1: 1:49:27

And what an sspvi? A novus ordo version of the sspx. Like the novus ordo setes are the most interesting group in the world to me. They're the most interesting people in the world to me, because at that point you have to go, okay. So maybe, maybe lefebvre was right the whole time. Like you have to, you have to say it in your head. Like it, the post conciliar thing doesn't work.

Speaker 4: 1:49:52

You've got to go back why? Yeah, I didn't think of it that way at first, but you're right.

Speaker 1: 1:50:01

If they're saying look, he's wrong now, Then they're all wrong, then why not just join the SSPX? Then they're all wrong, is my point. This is why it was so bonkers. To me it's like wait a minute, no, if. If Paul VI was right and John Paul II was right, benedict was right, but Francis was wrong.

Speaker 4: 1:50:20

and now Leo XIV is going to be wrong like no wait a minute. Saying this is unnecessarily. Francis was wrong, right because they didn't do it under Francis dude.

Speaker 1: 1:50:30

It's so interesting to me because there's so many people who were waiting to see who was elected before they said what their position was going to be on this pope. So many, Including like I'm not trying to call him out, but Patrick Coffin.

Speaker 4: 1:50:45

Well, okay. He wasn't the one I was thinking of, because there's one that I'm more of a friend with.

Speaker 1: 1:50:53

Yeah, don't say that name.

Speaker 4: 1:50:55

I'm trying to just make a point if, if, ben, if beniplenism was true, then whether or not this pope is valid should have been something you could have decided beforehand beforehand.

Speaker 1: 1:51:06

Right, but okay, and that's all I'm saying. I'm not even knocking their position, I'm saying they should have been able to have a conclusion beforehand, I think it should have nothing to do with who is the pope yes, so it's.

Speaker 1: 1:51:19

It was just interesting, like I just don't, I don't know, I I don't get it, so but I did talk to somebody who said, um, like it mattered a lot if, like, a true catholic was elected and they started making drastic change, because I think even WM Review, which is a set of a contest blog or newspaper or something, they came out and like wrote an article on how this conclave could elect a true pope. So I just don't understand that I'm not knocking on when I say his name.

Speaker 4: 1:51:54

I don't know if they're actually, technically, I think and I could be wrong they do one.

Speaker 1: 1:52:00

They seem much more mentally with it than reasonable I should have said reasonable then yeah but then most set of the contest.

Speaker 4: 1:52:09

But they almost seem like they fall more towards set of privationism instead of a contest. But and I could be wrong about that I don't want to put words in their mouth.

Speaker 1: 1:52:17

But yeah, I'm. I don't want anybody to think I'm knocking coffin, I'm just curious to know, because he his, he, I saw everybody that asked him if he would accept this pope. He kind of laughed and said read dominici gregis, or he blocked people. So I was was like I was afraid to ask him because I don't want him to get mad at me. You know, it's like I don't know. I don't know what's your position on this? Like how does this work? But now I think everybody's going to come out and give their position. Now that you see the background of this guy, and I think it'll be irrelevant on what he does. I don't think what he does is going to matter now that they see which guy it is. So it's. You know, it's just. My position was always the same I'm going to accept the Pope that comes. I'm just accepting him. I don't know he's just the Pope until, like, the church clarifies it, I don't know what else to do.

Speaker 4: 1:53:06

I don't know what else to do, right, if Burke and I'm still going to pronounce it to rot him burke and and I'm still gonna pronounce it's a raw tim, but I'm just kidding. Yeah, like if sarah, if a couple of them had stood up and yeah and even just in a very kind of quiet and weak way, said maybe there were questions, that would be one thing, but like what?

Speaker 1: 1:53:27

I was, if we would have saw burke, muller and sarah come out and say hey, there were shady things in this.

Speaker 4: 1:53:36

You know you'd have a like to stand on, but like and I don't want them to do it 13 years from now, right, because now is the time or wait until he does something he shouldn't do and then say something like it's like I don't.

Speaker 1: 1:53:47

We don't know what happened behind closed doors of that conclave, so maybe there were deals struck, we don't know maybe the fact he came out in traditional investments and was part of it right, exactly, maybe.

Speaker 4: 1:54:00

Maybe we get the tlm back as part of the deal, and you know what? Yeah, okay, like we have no say over it dude.

Speaker 1: 1:54:07

So like we don't have any say over it, so like it's, I'm not going to. I will never, will never be the show that's just bashing the pope. It is what it is. We, we came out tonight, we, we we look, I'm not. I'm not gonna lie about any of this stuff. It is what it is. We know what we got. If he throws some bones our way, take them for what they are. Raise your family catholic, do everything you can. You're to catch a lot of grief from a lot of different places going forward.

Speaker 1: 1:54:36

And if, especially if things do get bad, you're going look at the, the, the rhetoric from the Eastern Orthodox, the rhetoric from the Protestants is all going to get cranked up a thousand. But I really do see our role as because I don't see it as any other way as part of that story that I've explained 800 times, that I don't feel like explaining again. I just think Francis might be an anti-pope, but unless the church says that, then he's not. That's it. It's as simple as that. So if I see things crazily happening, it's you're watching our Lord on the Via Dolorosa I have Dolorosa on my mind because I've been thinking about the Borgia papacy, the Via Della Rosa, and as the apostles are seeing him being scourged and walking with his cross, they witnessed him in his glory on the mountaintop at the transfiguration. They witnessed him heal the blind and heal the sick and they're saying in their heads he is the Messiah. I know you people don't see it, but we know what he is and that's us. We see the church for what it is because we have eyes to see. But the world isn't going to see the church for what it is because it's going to lose all of its glory. It's going to lose all of its everything. It's going to lose all of its glory and we are just going to have to be faithful and just trust that our Lord knows what he's doing. I don't know anything else to do. Be Catholic and let the church tell you in due time. That is 100% my position. Thank you, lex, by the way. Yes, very gratefully.

Speaker 1: 1:56:10

All of you who gave super chats tonight, thank you so much. You guys do not know how much this helps. This is good to hear. I have a lot of friends and family who are excited to come into the church. Today hasn't changed that. That's all like and honestly, they're not. You're not going to get us trashing the post, like if you have new friends that are coming into the church, like we're just going to talk about whatever and we're going to explain it in ways that this is it, like it's going to be everybody listening. It will be your job to keep these people from black pilling.

Speaker 1: 1:56:42

Yeah, so yeah, we talked about what we talked about in the beginning of the show because it's reality. But if you don't know the reality, you're going to be shocked and you're going to fall away from the church and you're going to be like, oh my goodness, this is not, no, going to be shocked and you're going to fall away from the church and you're going to be like, oh my goodness, this is no. This is. We are going through the passion of the church right now. Nothing else makes sense to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but nothing else makes sense to me like you said.

Speaker 4: 1:57:03

I mean, we have, we ourselves have to still, of course, love the church, but we, we have to share that love with others. And even when it is difficult and you know what it's been really difficult the last 12 years could it be that as difficult, that difficult, for the next 20? Maybe? I don't think it will be. It could be, but we have to figure out how to do this.

Speaker 1: 1:57:24

This is a long papacy. We're in for boys but?

Speaker 4: 1:57:27

but there's a way to do it without lying, without gaslighting people, without hiding the truth you don't if I mean, if you really love someone, you don't hide the truth from them right, I agree, yeah, and look, I don't know, man, I still love being catholic.

Speaker 1: 1:57:44

Shut up girl. Oh my god, rob, it's gonna be worse.

Speaker 4: 1:57:47

It's gonna get worse there's two or three times every show, I get really tempted to just block you forever. Well, also rob.

Speaker 1: 1:57:54

Uh, rob actually texted me earlier. He wasn't going to come on and he goes dude, my, you know I don't. He didn't want to add to it. He knew he knew me and tim were going to go off tonight and he didn't want to add to it and I also. But I, I also want you guys to know sometimes I go down a road rob isn't on board with and I like the role we play each other off like play off each other in this show is important because Rob talks to me off a ledge Sometimes. Sometimes I get him to get off his his ledge and say no, you're, you know, you gotta see things as a little bit bigger than you are right now, Cause he's a nothing ever happens guy and I'm like everything is happening all at once. So it's a good call to be fair to one another did?

Speaker 4: 1:58:37

did something really happen today? Not really do we have two point. People claim it's right now. No, did it take four years I will say that no, you're right, did nuclear fire destroy rome when the people election happened on may 13th?

Speaker 1: 1:58:52

well, not yet, but not yet, and settle down, there's still time for that.

Speaker 4: 1:58:58

Okay, but as probably right but here's the thing anthony said he wanted leo the 14th back in november I get.

Speaker 1: 1:59:07

Look, I get some things right, sometimes all right. I got you guys both francis the second and leo the 14th, in one package yep, so everyone blame anthony I said, I took the hitchboard today and I go, michael, you manifested francis upon us and I manifested louis the 14th, francis the second, upon us. Wouldn't it have been funny if he took francis louis the first, like francis? Leo, francis leo uh, keeps I keep mixing up, louis and leo.

Speaker 4: 1:59:38

You know, francis leo, all the posts on social media are just literally every post on twitter today annoyed me I mean the ones that were instantly black pilling, the ones that were instantly white pilling.

Speaker 1: 1:59:49

I was just pissed at everyone I, I, I let off like two or three right away when it first hit me, because I had had that prevost info, prevos, whatever his name is prevos info. The days leading up when I heard his name, my heart dropped. So I was like, right away I tweeted out. I was like this is austin ivory's guy. I was like the revolution continues. But then, like three hours later, I tweeted out everybody, chill out. Like we're in the same fight. We've always been like first of you, guys were born for combat. What do you think being catholic is? The fight is where it is now. It'll be somewhere else at another point. We're in a combat, yeah, and the devil's trying to. He's roaming about seeking the ruin of souls. Um, take it easy. Chat like listening to old women gossiping. Okay, if you're 100 sure about what you're saying, pray for leo and the catholic church. Catholics. Um, oh, he's talking about the chat being like yeah, first of all, I'm very agnostic about all of my positions. I don't know if I'm right about anything.

Speaker 4: 2:00:52

I, I see I see he's agnostic about all his positions, so we can take any of his positions in the future but let's put 40 out.

Speaker 1: 2:00:59

One of them's gonna be right, and then I told you so even he even still can't believe the leo the 14.

Speaker 4: 2:01:07

even at that time I was thinking, when you were the the leo tweets seven months ago. Why is he picking Leo? It's just stupid what made you?

Speaker 1: 2:01:16

you cause you clearly did a Leo search on Twitter. Yeah, like what made you even do that. You remember I?

Speaker 4: 2:01:22

remember seven months ago thinking he's just picking an old name out of the hat. No, I wasn't.

Speaker 1: 2:01:29

I, I don't, I mean not, I'm not going to even take credit for this. Everybody was saying we want a Pius XIII or Leo XIV, like that was pretty much the consensus we want a Pius XIII or Leo XIV. But I really liked the idea of a Leo XIV.

Speaker 4: 2:01:50

Because you're an Italian fascist. I got to remember we're still on YouTube. It's um. If I looked pissed tonight, it wasn't because of what we were talking about or because of Tim. We found out my wife's grandfather got like a month left to live and like my kids get to see him for the last time tomorrow. So it's just yeah stuff going on.

Speaker 1: 2:02:18

So Rob's not going to be on tomorrow. I think I'm going to jump on with Nick. Me and Nick Cavazos are going to do a show tomorrow and yeah, well, I'll just like soak in the news but I'm not going to. It's not going to be another Black Pill show, cause that's. I want Nick on and we're going to try to. We're going to try to like just sort this thing out and see how this goes. It's like you know, we're still. We're still on the on the mission here. So, yeah, yeah, rob, what's hope's grandfather's name?

Speaker 4: 2:02:48

So his name is buzz, buzz um, and then we could, uh, could, pray for buzz, that buzz um has a good and holy death, that would be great.

Speaker 1: 2:02:59

Um, did we read all of the super chats? So no, we have a lot to go through. I was trad cath for 15 years. The last 80 years proof that the reform was not a point, it's 20 bucks.

Speaker 1: 2:03:10

Magisterial theology has been done. An absolute death blow. Reform now. Glad I don't deal with this anymore. I do check in occasionally. You'll come back. Can't help yourself, you guys. You just can't help yourself. Did we go to this one? Silver lining, my base priest, will probably be a bishop now, since Cardinal Cupich loves him and mistakenly thinks he's a leftist. Tops is telling a Leo baseball it's $20. Topps is selling a Leo baseball card until 5-11. That's pretty cool. You should get one of those.

Speaker 4: 2:03:46

No.

Speaker 1: 2:03:49

All right, we did the $100 Super Chat. We did Bobby Super Chat.

Speaker 4: 2:03:56

There might be some in here that got unclicked. I don't know. There's that many. Yeah, there's, let's see here. This is a good one. This isn't a Super Chat, but this is a good one to address, is that?

Speaker 1: 2:04:12

Nietzsche. I don't know, so there was a Protestant Nietzsche, I don't know, so there was a question was asking, asking as a protestant what promotion of sin does it take for catholics to have schism?

Speaker 4: 2:04:22

I think they're understanding what schism is kind of. If you're asking, like, what it would take for us to determine that the church isn't the church, then it would. It would take heresy against like defeat, a dogma being taught like as authoritative. That's what it would take for me yeah, like francis to make an ex.

Speaker 1: 2:04:43

Well, now, leo the 14th, make an ex cathedra statement. Ex cathedra statement saying something contrary to the faith. Um, what do you think of emj's? Take on the name choice.

Speaker 4: 2:04:56

I hadn't seen his take.

Speaker 1: 2:04:58

I don't know his take what is it?

Speaker 4: 2:04:59

I don't look at his stuff, honestly.

Speaker 1: 2:05:02

There's this one why are gen z catholics so delusional and overly hopeful? So many of them are going to get blackpilled when they get let down. That's that's kind of that's kind of my position on this and that's why I don't want to. I don't want to give false hope, like I want to give you guys a a real perspective on what we're dealing with I think for gen z, number one.

Speaker 4: 2:05:23

So many of them are converts, right, or or reverts, in the sense, like they were maybe baptized culturally but, you know, not raised in the faith by their Gen X parents, stuff like that. So I think they've seen that the whole world. They've been blackmailed by the world about everything about dating, marriage, job, being able to buy houses, the economy, just everything. And then they found the truth of Christ in the church and they just cannot allow themselves to be blackmailed about that. Right, they need that to be a shining light in their life, and I don't blame them, it should always be a shining light in our life, right, but I think they haven't seen the reality of what the church militant really is like here on Earth, right, and I think that's. I mean, I think you're right, I think that could blackmail them, yeah, which would yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:06:32

Let's hope not. Okay. So JD Real said, rael said hope not hopium. Wasn't Pius IX supposed to be a liberal? That's a good point. Do we think that God can convert hearts?

Speaker 4: 2:06:47

And we have. I mean, besides Pius IX, we have the example of St Thomas Beckett. There's a famous example, St Augustine. Obviously Not that he I mean he converted before becoming a priest and bishop and such, but Thank you for becoming a new member.

Speaker 1: 2:07:06

Gift of James. I want to find that one. Somebody asked us to read the super chat and we skipped over it. I'm trying to see if I can find it. I'm confused by this one, rob.

Speaker 4: 2:07:21

Maybe if you shared your books the church would be saved. Like, do you want me to share what's in them? Do you want me to give them to you? I mean, for 50 bucks you can buy a fair number of these. Just, I'm not sure what you mean by that um, I was writing a theology.

Speaker 1: 2:07:35

I think we read this. But finally, while he walked out, was shocked to see a guy I didn't recognize. Saw his name and how he was dressed, felt a tinge of hope. Then I learned we're not trying to destroy people's hope. We're trying to give you guys a realistic picture, because him coming out as Leo the 14th probably was a bit disarming for us. We're like whoa, leo the 14th, that's great.

Speaker 4: 2:07:59

But oh demon. It was a during my some of one of my lenten meditations. I mentioned how I don't like sharing my books because I'm very hate like. It's one of the few things I'm really ocd about, like when I read them. I'm very careful with them and oh, like physically allowing other people to read, so I don't let my books out. Well, I appreciate whoever that was that you watched that, the lenten series uh, please read life site news on five things.

Speaker 1: 2:08:33

I got it. Uh, on five things to know about leo the 14th, posted today. I did read that article. Um, there's a couple things I disagree with, but I'm going on with john henry west so I don't want to say it um I I have to email them back um remind me this weekend to email them back okay, um, john John Bonari is truly one of the unsung heroes of Catholic tradition. He was ringing this bell for years. Absolutely, I'm trying to.

Speaker 4: 2:09:01

You got to unstar them when we read them.

Speaker 1: 2:09:04

Oh, you had them starred. I wasn't even going through the starred ones.

Speaker 4: 2:09:09

That's how you should be doing it, man.

Speaker 1: 2:09:11

I was just actually, I didn't know, you starred them, that's why.

Speaker 4: 2:09:16

No, they get to start automatically when they are super chats.

Speaker 1: 2:09:18

The boomers will pass. The youth is conservative and traditional, but let's hope for the best for this pope. That's a good way to look at it, an american to think we were this close to dolan see, uh, deep dish is the official pizza of catholics now okay, this is.

Speaker 4: 2:09:42

You probably didn't see it, because I think it came out during the show. Uh, the daily wire shot off an interesting tweet what um, let me see if I can pull it up here. Let's just it's. It's getting harder and harder for the two catholics to uh to stay on there.

Speaker 1: 2:10:00

Let me bring it up here I told rob early on that I didn't want us to do typical church politics. It was one day guys settle down, as we just got our pope so breaking. Cardinal provost unveils new type of bread for use in Holy Communion. Oh boy, these guys. How long are they going to stay there?

Speaker 4: 2:10:21

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 2:10:22

How long? Thank you, mimi, appreciate you.

Speaker 4: 2:10:26

Let's see, we got that one.

Speaker 1: 2:10:31

New Cope. New Cope. He was playing along to rise up under francis regime. He pulled the rug on them when he took the name leo the 14th or so back.

Speaker 4: 2:10:40

I hope you're right I mean he does seem like and this is true of so many bishops and cardinals but like under benedict, he was writing conservative stuff, you know saying conservative things, kind of francis.

Speaker 1: 2:10:51

He was saying liberal things so you really don't know what the guy thinks for himself. No idea why everyone I know wants to roll over instead of fighting for christ, watch his half, if not more, of trads fight for leo the 14th when he repeals tc. Passion of the church, for sure, that is my, that is where I'm at, could be. Um, he takes the name of the Pope of the Rallyment. What's that Rallyment?

Speaker 4: 2:11:18

Sounds familiar? Let me see.

Speaker 1: 2:11:24

Seems like the whole of the American press are already singing Prevost praises, our fellow citizens giving nauseatic patriotic responses to the election of American Pope. Chants of USA.

Speaker 4: 2:11:36

So the the relevant was a political movement and, like the late 1800s in France, where the church and the monarchists were encouraged to support the third Republic, it was initiated by Leo the 13th in the 1890s. It aimed to reconcile French Catholics with the Republic, urging them to abandon their monarchist loyalty and engage in the Republican political system to protect Catholic interests. So it could be trying to encourage Catholics to oppose, say, trumpism.

Speaker 1: 2:12:10

It's possible. Okay, what does the House of Cards coming down look like? How does it happen and what will it mean for the lady?

Speaker 4: 2:12:17

you know, bobby, if you should just put on a mask and come on the show and talk about this. Yeah, I know you have a lot of ideas fatima and akita.

Speaker 1: 2:12:28

100th anniversary of of I don't T-U-Y in 2029 is.

Speaker 4: 2:12:38

I mean, it is the 100th anniversary in 2029 of of Christ. Yeah, asking for the consecration of Russia his will be done.

Speaker 1: 2:12:52

What is Rob saying right? What Rob is saying right now is causing me to almost tear up as a 24 year old guy. I think I was talking about zoomers by the way.

Speaker 4: 2:13:01

That's not on the anthony's approved list of times to cry you didn't destroy my hope.

Speaker 1: 2:13:06

The facts surrounding him did okay. Well, that's realistic, at least. Uh, I was in rca, rcia, when my character stuff dropped. Tell them, tell the truth was strong, call to stay in the church no matter what. And then, finally, gen Z will bring the church home. Boomers and Gen X can go ahead and see while the radical youth help get them to heaven. Christ is King. Pray for me as I entered the seminary in August. So I think we're at two hours and 12 minutes. Man, this was uh and this was. We got a new pope, guys, pope leo the 14th. We all begged for a leo the 14th and now we got him.

Speaker 4: 2:13:51

So now we just see where the cards drop notice how anthony takes his ideas, his wants, his desires and puts them on everyone we all wanted leo the 14th. No, anthony, you didn't.

Speaker 1: 2:14:06

You got him, buddy not just that, it's like I put the weight of all of the things on my head, in my head, on you guys, and then I'm like everything's fine, everything's great. Don't worry about it, guys, we're good.

Speaker 4: 2:14:19

I hope you all have the same temperament.

Speaker 1: 2:14:21

No, please that really is what it comes down to, Like my temperament. So you were me and you were talking about that and it's like you thought oh, somebody said that I'm anxious about it because I live in a city. But the thing is I'm not anxious about it because I live in a city. I love stories and I love the drama of of you. Love history, yeah, no, I love the drama of church history and I think that we're in part of the drama now and I think we're part of church history.

Speaker 4: 2:14:49

OK, but here's the thing If you really thought the end of the world was coming in the next few years, maybe not the end. End of the world, right?

Speaker 1: 2:15:03

Yeah, well, I think at least Third Secret of Fatima is going to come to fulfillment.

Speaker 4: 2:15:08

And the reign of Mary you live in a terrible spot oh yeah, you're completely unprepared.

Speaker 1: 2:15:12

Part of me doesn't want to live through the like. If there's a post-apocalyptic world, part of me doesn't want to live in that okay, but but we can't I have, I have bailout plans. I mean, if it's not, if it's not a nuke in new york, I'm coming to you right, but as you and I have discussed, personally, you don't even have paper maps of how to get to me. I do have downloaded maps, though, so as long as I can charge my ipad.

Speaker 4: 2:15:40

I'm getting there that's not how emps work. Your ipad's dead. If I get an emp, I'm in trouble.

Speaker 1: 2:15:45

Yes, for sure. We're gaming out the apocalypse now. If we get an emp, I'm in trouble, that's for sure. Um, yeah, that's. That's a very good point, rob. Maybe I should buy some paper maps I mean something. They're like five bucks yeah, I'm gonna have to order some online. I should definitely have. Uh, I think I have your address memorized. I won't say it on air, but I was.

Speaker 4: 2:16:14

I was waiting.

Speaker 1: 2:16:15

I've typed out your I've typed out your address enough times that I do have your address memorized.

Speaker 4: 2:16:19

Print the maps I mean at the very least print the maps.

Speaker 6: 2:16:33

Yeah, that's a good idea, um say it yeah, yes, I'm.

Speaker 1: 2:16:37

I'm talking about like an actual road atlas man I have, uh, I have uh, like you know, the mormon food things. I'm just throwing them in the truck and heading west.

Speaker 4: 2:16:47

That's all I know okay, clean water for those. How do you have?

Speaker 1: 2:16:51

I got big I got big water jugs too. We're good, don't worry, plenty of water supply. We're coming to you as gas. I'm worried about um. So yeah, like I'm never anxious about the events, it's that I love. First of, I love to like game through them in my head and like what michael hitchborn came on the other day and said. I was like that sounds really cool, but man is that fan fiction he was.

Speaker 4: 2:17:21

He was not happy with the choice today. I'm sure you saw and he texted me.

Speaker 1: 2:17:25

He texted me, but I gotta read this. It's so funny. He released something on facebook, uh like so he, he goes, he goes, he goes. My statement on Facebook. While I feel low, I've chosen to be hopeful.

Speaker 4: 2:17:37

I said, oh, that's cute, adorable Wait your friends are supposed to encourage each other.

Speaker 1: 2:17:46

Come on, come on. I talked to him on the phone. I called him today and he's like I'm two glasses of wine in. It's not good.

Speaker 4: 2:17:53

Anthony, I'm like you think. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 2:18:01

I hope you replied. Is it at least requisite cellar wine? It better have been. Yeah right, Tom, he was so off. The first thing.

Speaker 3: 2:18:12

I said when I called him I go Michael. That was a cute theory.

Speaker 1: 2:18:15

He the worst, he was so bad the worst friend of the world I got it was a cute theory, michael, he almost had me buying it. It was just. It was just. It was total fan fiction man. And it's like the thing is he's not wrong in like his perception of how it could go. He was just wrong in the details. But like he is right about the church ratcheting right and left and like we're just going further, left still, and when it lurches right it's gonna snap it's gonna be a.

Speaker 4: 2:18:45

It's gonna be an, even, especially if this is a 20-year pontificate.

Speaker 1: 2:18:49

Oh, boy I. I think there's a very good possibility we could live through the great apostasy from the top.

Speaker 4: 2:18:55

Did you hear about the?

Speaker 1: 2:18:56

IED set off in Pennsylvania rectory.

Speaker 4: 2:18:58

No, someone lit a stick of dynamite on an altar in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1: 2:19:05

American Pope guys. Maybe world events will convert his. Who knows? We don't even know what he's going to. He hasn't done anything yet.

Speaker 4: 2:19:22

He hasn't done anything yet. We can't be mad at the guy yet. What he did we liked, so we're going to chill. I mean everything he has done as pope so far, which is obviously like nothing you know, I mean, and maybe, like tim says, maybe it it is all just trying to get us to let our guards down. But yeah, you can't be mad at what he's done as Pope so far.

Speaker 1: 2:19:39

It was very cool to see a Pope step out and pull full papal regalia.

Speaker 4: 2:19:45

It's been a long time.

Speaker 1: 2:19:46

Yeah, it's been a long time it felt cool, it did. Dressed like a Pope.

Speaker 4: 2:19:53

And you know him like he, he teared up right. You know, out there I mean I and I.

Speaker 1: 2:20:01

I don't want to get hopeful, but yeah, well, this was, this was fan fiction to me too, like so when I saw, when I saw it was never, gonna be him. Yeah, it was like it was never even a remote chance of that. So when I saw life site releasing that article, I was like this is just boomer porn, like it's just, you even had a.

Speaker 4: 2:20:17

You had a canadian cardinal. Come on and say that he shudders at the thought of the africans like it was never going to be.

Speaker 1: 2:20:25

Yeah, sarah yeah, like I, it was just it's, it's it's trad fan fiction. Is what stuff like that is, you know? So when I see that I'm just, why are you even giving people that idea? It's like it's silly. Yeah, we read Cardinal Burke's tweet. It's you know. Look, they're telling us to obey the Pope, the people we love, the people we look to.

Speaker 4: 2:20:47

I guess I wasn't watching closely enough for this. Let's hope, let's hope.

Speaker 1: 2:20:55

Come on, can, we can. But just just be reasonable in your hope. That's all I'm saying, like don't be shocked, don't be shocked when things don't go great, like just just be, just just be prepared, that's all. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Yeah, hey, does my mic actually sound better?

Speaker 4: 2:21:11

yeah, yeah. So both of us got new mics. So once Anthony decided to get a new mic and I told him we'd get the same mic I had I decided I had to get a new mic so that I still sound better than Anthony, no matter what. And then I realized well crap, I should have just sent him my old mic then.

Speaker 1: 2:21:31

Bobby said this to me today he goes. You think the weight of 1.4 billion souls on his shoulders might make him live up to his name.

Speaker 4: 2:21:37

Let's pray let's pray that it does so bobby said that that's cute hope.

Speaker 1: 2:21:41

Bobby, it's a cute hope. I love you so they're saying anthony's mic is much better I'm guessing mrs c says yes to you do I sound like I have the sounds of smooth jazz coming over these microphones?

Speaker 4: 2:21:55

You'll never be Mark Robertson.

Speaker 1: 2:21:57

No, I'll never be. Mike sounds great today and that is correct. It is 8 billion souls. But let him focus on the 1.4 billion for now and we'll convert the rest. Just focus on the 1.4 billion and you'll convert the others.

Speaker 4: 2:22:13

Yeah, we don't need a pope that focuses on the 2 billion Muslims and says screw you to all the dads.

Speaker 1: 2:22:17

Yeah, I still. I still think they're trying to get us to worship the devil guys. But you know, I'm still pretty firm in that pieces. It hasn't happened yet, but not quite, but it sounds much better Okay.

Speaker 4: 2:22:30

All right guys.

Speaker 1: 2:22:31

million souls we're gonna wrap this one up, because I have to wake up early for work tomorrow and we did two hours and 20 minutes. We really do need to pray for him every day. Absolutely, pope leo the 14th, it sounds weird to say it, it sounds good, doesn't it it does sound so much better than francis oh, francis, because we all know what he was trying to get out with francis we.

Speaker 4: 2:22:55

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 2:22:56

Pope leo just sounds cold it does stop it you're giving me hope and you know what.

Speaker 4: 2:23:01

No matter what at least we're not gonna get karaoke, at least it wasn't tagre.

Speaker 1: 2:23:06

That's good point. No, tagre, I'm sure, that gambling story, that gambling story came out, when the gambling story came out, all I could think could think of is when I'm in Atlantic City and it's just Chinese people sitting at the table like this. They're down like five grand.

Speaker 4: 2:23:24

They're chain smoking and they're drinking the cheapest hard alcohol possible.

Speaker 1: 2:23:29

I totally see Toggle doing that. It's like really At the blackjack table smoking 19 cigarettes in a row, getting the house to give him enough. So, Paul, he's actually ethnically Chinese. He's Chinese, but lived in Philippines.

Speaker 4: 2:23:49

I try not to live up to stereotypes. Do other people just like yeah, you know what I'm going to completely live up to, you know stereotypes. Do other people just like yeah, you know what I'm going to completely live up to, like every stereotype I can.

Speaker 1: 2:23:59

So the thing is, if it was togley? If it was togley, it would have been a total mockery of the like. He was so goofy and he would have come out like this everybody he would have been dancing up on the logia.

Speaker 1: 2:24:16

It's like I, I don't care, I'll take pope leo. At least he's serious demeanor and he's wearing papal regalia. Like all right, at least, at least the destruction of the church will go down in style like what do you want? No, never be sad. If you knew the real saint francis, you'd never be sad. Do not let pope francis ruin that name. Uh, tagliatelle would have been papal biden.

Speaker 4: 2:24:43

Yeah, um you know it will be so. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the relationship with China, just because, if there's any truth to Leo now having been a Republican, right he's American, he's got gotta have a good idea of china from american perspective, right it's not. It's not like you know, francis, and in argentina you want to know what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1: 2:25:24

I'm looking to see if he keeps parolin as secretary of state. I'm looking to see if he keeps tuco fernandez as the cd, I wouldn't.

Speaker 4: 2:25:30

I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps tuco. That's what I'm looking for?

Speaker 1: 2:25:35

I want to see some. I want to see some personnel changes. That's what I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps Tuco. That's what I'm looking for. I want to see some personnel changes. That's where you're going to know when the rubber hits the road. When you see personnel changes, Does he put Burke back in a position where he's at least got some kind of prestige again?

Speaker 4: 2:25:49

Maybe that was part of the deal, a potential deal? I don't think that's kind of simony.

Speaker 1: 2:26:00

So I don't think he's kind of simony. So I don't think I don't like, I don't think he said I'll do this, but I think your respect will be given back to you, right, you know, like we will not, we'll no longer castigate our fellow cardinals and bishops like. So I would love to see, like positions of honor given to a burke. I would like I would. I would just like to see the a couple of. So we're going to play it by ear. We love you guys. We hope you guys stick around. Gave us a little leeway to vent a little bit. Today it was a rough day. We promise you the next. The next show is going forward. Unless something crazy happens, we're going to try to stay off this topic. If anything, we might like highlight some cool things. You know, if we're going to get those little bits of dribs and drabs of things given to us, we're going to highlight them.

Speaker 4: 2:26:38

I mean especially because there's things like the vestments today. There's things that, if you've become Catholic since 2013, you haven't seen them, yeah, you know. So maybe we should have shows on stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 2:26:51

Yeah, all right, guys, we're going to wrap this up. I have to wake up at two 30 in the morning, but we're going to do an early show tomorrow. I'll be on here with Nick Cavazos. So thank you to everybody who super chatted tonight. You guys have no idea how much you help us. We'll do. We will get back to locals Now that the conclave is over. We kind of chilled out with locals a little bit the last week. If you guys aren't locals members, we do a lot of good stuff over there. We will get back to that starting on Tuesday's show. Maybe me and Nick will do something on local tomorrow. We'll see how the live audience is. So any parting words, rob?

Speaker 4: 2:27:31

You know what? At the very least, we're done with Francisis, that's it it's a good way to part pope.

Speaker 1: 2:27:38

Pope leo the 14th, long may he reign. I hope I'm not saying that out of turn. Long may he reign, well. Oh may he reign well, all right. All right guys, we'll see. We'll see you guys tomorrow. All right guys, we'll see you guys, tomorrow. We'll see you tomorrow, thank you.