2 Religions Under 1 Church: Synodalism vs Catholicism

The Catholic Church stands at a crossroads unlike any we've seen in generations. In this raw, unfiltered conversation, we dive deep into what's really happening behind the scenes of the upcoming papal conclave—and why it matters to every Catholic.

With cardinals gathering in Rome, we're witnessing what appears to be two distinct visions of Catholicism struggling for control under one roof. We break down the likely papal candidates and why there seems to be no true conservative option among them. While most cardinals signal a willingness to loosen restrictions on the Traditional Latin Mass regardless of who's elected, the deeper divisions within the Church may prove irreconcilable.

We explore the apocalyptic dimensions of our current moment, examining whether the Church is truly experiencing its own passion and death before resurrection—as described in paragraph 675 of the Catechism—or if we're simply in another difficult period that will eventually pass. The COVID shutdowns of churches, worldwide sacramental disruptions, and increasing doctrinal confusion all point to something unprecedented unfolding before our eyes.

Throughout our conversation, we maintain a commitment to speaking candidly about these challenges while remaining faithful to Catholic teaching. Unlike many Catholic commentators who seem reluctant to honestly assess Pope Francis' legacy, we're determined to examine the fullness of our situation without sugar-coating difficult truths. This independence allows us to bring you perspectives you won't hear in other Catholic media.

Whether you're a traditional Catholic concerned about the direction of the Church, someone returning to the faith, or simply curious about what's happening in Rome, this episode provides crucial context for understanding this pivotal moment in Catholic history. Join us as we navigate these turbulent waters together, holding fast to the timeless truths that have sustained the Church through every crisis.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Podcast Opening and Food Tasting
• 3:39 Discussing the Papal Conclave Options
• 19:33 The Future of Traditional Latin Mass
• 30:12 Church Crisis and Prophetic Signs
• 45:29 Apocalyptic Themes in Church History
• 1:05:54 Catholic Media and Show Philosophy
• 1:20:42 Father Maudsley and Catholic Unscripted Discussion

Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:05

SANTE MISERICANDO AMARE MORTI NECRADAS NOS IN TE SPERA VERUM in taste fair of air.

Speaker 2: 1:28

Ooh yes smell like a rusted pot, very meaty, old school, traditional spaghetti. I'm gonna mix it together, give it a fair shot. It's cool, it looks black, but the flavoring is white. Oh, that's really good. I need more flavor. I mean, there is not a seasoning in sight. Wow, that's like restaurant quality. Good, I think it needs more seasoning. I think it needs the sauce. You know, I want a little bit more tomato paste. I mean, ain't no lorries, no garlic powder, no onion. What is happening in this dish? This is great. This is an Italian spaghetti. It's white, it's white. I'm gonna give this a three. I'm gonna give it a six. Man, this is a solid nine. You can taste the tomatoes like really well on this.

Speaker 1: 2:25

It's really good. Ain't got no.

Speaker 2: 2:29

Lowry's? Yeah, am I frozen for?

Speaker 1: 2:31

you. Right now I can't even see your face, which is good, because I saw your face and I hate it all right, I have to reboot my computer.

Speaker 2: 2:37

You can hear me right yes yeah, I think I gotta reboot my computer. You guys, I finally go on on time and my thing's frozen. Oh, this is awful oh no okay, okay, okay, okay, we don't have to deal with this. Rob comes on the screen in the green room. He goes. What the hell did you do to your face?

Speaker 2: 2:58

oh man I you guys will get used to it. Settle down. Oh man, so we got quite the exciting week that's been going on. We had a show without you the other night. Yep man, I don't know, because I had Christian on. I was super positive. I'm like there's a lot of good options out there. We might be okay, nick, at the end of the show Nick's like Anthony. I'm really happy that. Like you know, you were much better than last time, so I texted Nick earlier. Nick, I'm gonna doom pill all night tonight. He might not want to come. Um, yeah, I don't know. Man, the more I think about it and the more I hear about these guys, the more I'm just like it will take divine intervention to get somebody. Good, yeah, it's gonna take divine intervention. Like there's no possible way a bunch of gay men with no faith are going to elect a holy pope for us I just don't see they they might, if they think it gives them like the least amount of trouble yeah, that's the man it is.

Speaker 2: 4:18

It is pretty crazy when you think about what it was like under francis for a lot of these guys, like their lives were not easy under him. Right like the, the faithful gave them hell, like they were constantly upset with them and it was like like their lives were. But those are the regular bishops.

Speaker 1: 4:34

I don't know about the cardinals the cardinals the cardinals have the largest arch dioceses in the whole world, like yeah yeah, I mean?

Speaker 1: 4:43

I mean not. Not only do they have the conservatives slash orthodox catholics mad at them, but francis didn't go as far as the liberals wanted, so they were still mad like there was no one. That that's one thing, that is. If one thing blackpills me, it's seeing all the fools on twitter who pretend, like the last 13 or 12, 13 years has been good for any catholic. Oh, come on, for nobody like no, no one.

Speaker 1: 5:09

No one's enjoyed the last 12 or 13 it's been good for michael lobton because he, because he's able to make some money off of it yeah, but even then he's had a you know bend over backwards to try to square a circle, to do it yeah, it hasn't.

Speaker 2: 5:24

It hasn't been easy at all and the um it's. It's just like the, the the last 12 years have just they've just been like I was thinking about it earlier and I'm just like god please, so. So here's the thing. There's, there's going to be concessions made, right, like no matter who gets in. So I think even if we got a progressive like I don't think you're gonna hear the rigid stuff anymore, that's like uniquely francis, right, like I don't think we're gonna have the condemnation calling us rigid for following the, I don't think we'll get that anymore no, francis was uniquely kind of a never mind yeah, that's what I mean he was, he was a unique character and that like he would come down on.

Speaker 1: 6:15

So he could be a real prick about things.

Speaker 2: 6:17

Yeah, like really like any.

Speaker 2: 6:20

Any time you got anything out of him, it was always like ragging on the faithful it was a very huge thing and I do think there will, even if you get like quote unquote progressive guy in there, like that, because because we're going to read through the remnant article and the remnant article was interesting because even even the way they're portraying parolin, it's like they're portraying parolin as the as the conservative compromise and it's like this guy was awful like he he, first of all, I don't think he actually has a shot like I really don't. I think this is like they, all of these, all of these articles we're seeing, all of these uh, leaks we're hearing. I think all of those are psyops like I think all of those are trying to influence the conclave well, of course they always are.

Speaker 1: 7:12

I mean, that's just every political event, election ever right and then throw people off.

Speaker 2: 7:21

They're trying to see what the what, what the reaction will be from the public if we hear that guy's going to be the pope. Like they are reading social media and seeing how people react to it. But I do think parolin is too controversial, especially with the china deal.

Speaker 1: 7:36

Uh yeah, that, yeah, they don't want to touch that dude, not just that.

Speaker 2: 7:42

Like is that simony? Yeah, right like 100 like that, like what he's guilty of. Is simony like that? And?

Speaker 1: 7:52

now, the one thing, like you know, the france defenders say is like, oh, they had to do it or there would have been real persecution.

Speaker 2: 7:59

You know the chinese church has been underground for decades and decades. It's like, you know, they, they, they were always better off having the, the pope, back their, their plight. I don't know why. You know whatever, but it it does reek of simony to me, like selling selling bishops offices. I mean, the ccp ordained two bishops while there's while there's an interregnum what, while those diocese already have bishops?

Speaker 2: 8:29

oh my gosh, that's so crazy. I didn't even know that. So, like they're presenting palin as this conservative compromise, but what you're getting leaks of is, uh, no matter who gets in, I think they're going to the two main things they're going to back off of was fiducia, supplicans and the tradition. So, like we're now, parolin hates the Latin mass, but he said he will. I don't know if he'll do away with it if he gets in, but he will modify it, which to me likely means they'll keep all the rules in place, but anybody who requests it from rome will get we'll get permission it's like okay, tradition is out, you have to ask rome for permission.

Speaker 2: 9:14

Anybody that asks will get that permission. So maybe, like did, do you know if detroit went through with all of those closures?

Speaker 1: 9:25

well, I don't think it was scheduled until late later, right? So maybe they won't go through with those I don't know, I don't, I really don't know um yeah, so look.

Speaker 2: 9:41

So that's the good news is they'll probably are you out officially now, by the way? I think he is yeah. I mean I think you make a, you make a public profession of faith at your confirmation right. I don't think he has a choice but to be out.

Speaker 1: 9:54

That's true. I just it's interesting, he could literally be Pope now.

Speaker 2: 10:06

Um so like.

Speaker 1: 10:06

That's the that's the good news is that those restrictions might get loosened. I think, yeah, I think, I think, no matter who we see as pope, I think tc gets, like you said, loosened at least. Yeah, I think if it's anyone, I mean, I think most of the top candidates, even people like tagler might just toss it and bring back some more pontificum. Um, that wouldn't surprise me from really any of the top candidates.

Speaker 2: 10:35

Like it really would release a ton of the anxiety between, like the conservatives and that like it really would. And I don't think these guys really give a crap about it. No, like I think they don't. They think it's just some minor little. It's like, why are we starting a war with that? Because it wasn't just people that attend the latin mass that were upset about that. It was any conservative catholic who, like, respects people that go to the latin mass, you know. So this was a very big issue for conservative catholics who attend the novus ordo even yeah so it would like release some of the tension in the church.

Speaker 2: 11:10

um, and, like I said, I don't think you're going to have the accusations of being rigid as much. So the good thing I'm seeing is that, almost unanimously, everybody that's even being mentioned as Papa B-Light is saying they're not going near the name Francis II, like there's way too much baggage with that name, so we're not getting a Francis II. No, but they are throwing the name John XXIV around, which means the good Pope, right Like John XXIII. The moniker was the good Pope, right Like John. The 23rd was the. The moniker was the good Pope, like he was just a jolly joyful man who literally set up the council, destroyed everything, but it wasn't really under him, it was under Paul the sixth anymore, but come on, jay, the first that I could be tangled doing something stupid like that doing something doing.

Speaker 2: 12:03

Wait, what name? Luche the first. So what we'll do is um, okay, so here's the deal for this week. We're gonna keep the show short. Um, we're not gonna do a locals tonight, but on saturday we have father charles Murr coming on.

Speaker 1: 12:23

And that's going to initially be locals and members only.

Speaker 2: 12:26

Correct, and then we'll release that to the public on Tuesday Tuesday, but we might do it. I think we're going to do a show Monday and then we definitely want to do a show Wednesday, cause that's the first day of the conclave. Then we're going to kind of play it by ear. So if we get a, we get white smoke. I doubt we're getting it thursday, but if we get white smoke on, on, on, I mean, I'm sorry, I doubt we're going to get it wednesday, but if we get white smoke on thursday, we'll pop on thursday. If we get white smoke on friday, we'll pop on friday. Yeah, if it, if it goes longer than that, we'll pop it on Friday.

Speaker 1: 13:00

Anyway, There'll be some sort of news, right.

Speaker 2: 13:09

Speculation. If this goes beyond Thursday, there's I don't know man, there's a chance things get deadlocked for a long time.

Speaker 1: 13:21

Maybe I mean so, if it's anything like the last two elections, we should see white smoke on thursday, right? Because yeah, the last couple of elections have happened in three to four ballots um the end of thursday. We should see four would be four to five total ballots at that point, so, but it has gone a lot longer in the past.

Speaker 2: 13:42

So yeah, they've had. I mean, the longest one is third is three years, and that's when they made the conclave rules, where they locked them in, where they because they were like this is going on way too long, so then they decided to lock them in and they were like you guys ain't leaving until you give us a vote, you know. So even then you still had something that went on 10 days, 11 days, things like that. But since the council, the way they've done it Tim Gordon talked about this the way they've done it is, in the first round, the top three names. Anybody that doesn't garner in that top three or four, it might be three or four. If they're at place five, six, seven, they throw those names out and they go. You guys got to pick between the top four.

Speaker 1: 14:33

That's not in any of the rules.

Speaker 2: 14:35

It's not in the rules, but that's how they've done it. That's how they got.

Speaker 1: 14:40

I think what it really is is those, those other names usually tell their supporters, like you know, don't, don't vote for me next time. Vote for this person. Things like that.

Speaker 2: 14:54

It's Tim was saying like they just get rid of those names and then it becomes a race between four, and then they knock another name out, and then it comes a race between four, and then they knock another name out, and then it comes a race between three, and then eventually you get to two people and you guys and they're like you guys got to just pick between these two, yeah, and then there's a lot of politicking inside the conclave, what you know. Whoever those supporters had, they start working deals and figuring things out. Yeah, like that first day, that first wednesday, there will only be figuring things out.

Speaker 1: 15:19

Yeah, like that first day, that first Wednesday, there will only be at most one ballot cast right, cause they'll get, they'll have mass, they'll get locked in. They'll cast one ballot to see, like you said, who those names are, and then they spend the night more or less praying on it, and then the next day there can be up to four ballots that day. Hang on it, well, you, and then the next day.

Speaker 2: 15:44

There can be up to four ballots that day. Hang on it. Well, you know, burke and Sarah might, I don't know, man Like it's. It's one of those, one of those things where you just like not one conversation have we heard, like we've heard. There's been interventions by Sarah and there's been interventions by different people, and all of them are talking about like the problems in the world and like what we're facing as a people, but you almost never hear anybody's intervention talk about the importance of the diocese of rome keeping the faith right, like the importance of the diocese of Rome staying faithful to what was handed down to them. Watching from Sweden. Please pray for my country, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 16:28

Any specific reason why we should be praying for Sweden? I?

Speaker 2: 16:31

don't know, and I wonder how much 50 sec is. It's probably $3.

Speaker 1: 16:36

Is that Swedish kronor or something like that? I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 16:39

What's the conversion rate? Let me check owner or something like that. I don't know. I don't know what's the conversion rate, let me check. You know, like none of them talk about the importance of the, the diocese of rome being the roman sea and the importance of it staying faithful and and like you think about the oath the pope has to take and it's like I will not. What is the papal oath? Can you find that Like what is the oath the Pope takes when he takes when he assumes office? I would imagine it's something like you will not change what has been handed on. You know something massively.

Speaker 1: 17:20

There is no formal standardized. It's not no.

Speaker 2: 17:24

That's crazy to me. There's no papal oath.

Speaker 1: 17:28

This isn't the US presidency.

Speaker 2: 17:32

Yeah, no, I know, but don't you think they would say something about passing on only what was handed down, something like that?

Speaker 1: 17:42

so there have been times where popes have made um the different professions of faith or different commitments during their like coronation ceremony, which that coronation ceremony was discontinued after jp1. Um, like there was a promissio, or yeah, promissio, during the medieval times, but that's no longer part of the process.

Speaker 2: 18:09

And I would. I would have thought there would be some kind of like the burden laid upon the Pope to make sure he guarantees what was passed on to him. I don't know, maybe I'm nuts, yeah let's see, I'm trying to see.

Speaker 1: 18:29

So, like the typical, permissio during the um medieval times included commitments to defend the faith and doctrine, to maintain loyalty to, to secular rulers like the frankish frankish kings or holy roman emperors, to protect the privileges to the roman clergy and people and to ensure proper administration of church affairs.

Speaker 2: 18:53

Post the Boy Scouts. I'll do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the scout law, to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

Speaker 1: 19:07

Yeah, too bad it wasn't to keep them heterosexually straight.

Speaker 2: 19:16

Man, I don't don't, so all right, so today's a little bit of doom pilling because, um, I'm reading these articles and it's like there is no conservative candidate.

Speaker 1: 19:22

It's like there's no traditional candidate.

Speaker 2: 19:27

No no for sure. No, I'm not even considering that. Like I, at this point you think like what, what? What do we do from here? Right, and I'm kind of on the accelerationist path at this point. It's like if you're not going to give us the catholic faith, like in its unadulterated form, and allow, like even I'm not even saying like restore the Roman Rite and all that stuff, I'm just saying like a Pope who believes the Catholic faith, who's going to allow tradition to grow on its own naturally and let it happen over time, like restore it back to some more pontificum and maybe you know a couple of other things the Pope could do Like, if we're not going to get that, I almost, I want, I want acceleration, this the sickness has to be cured and there is no cure of the sickness until you diagnose it properly. Now. There can be no resurrection without a death. This thing that I, somebody very close to me, recently texted me and said I can't wait until this, what was it? I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 20:40

I don't remember offhand exactly how it went it was like I can't wait until this thing is a catholic church. Let me look it up. Let's see the text, because rob had gone to an over that just infuriated him and he was this, was he had a melancholic?

Speaker 1: 20:58

dump, and he sent me a text that I was like I cannot wait for the gay monstrosity that is currently larping as the catholic church dies and ignominious death okay, so here's my question not the best text to send on easter.

Speaker 2: 21:13

Yeah, here's my question to you, though, like I know, you always say like I'm blackpilling, right and all that. But if, if, like, if you I think something intuitive in you knows that's true what you texted?

Speaker 1: 21:28

well, I wouldn't text if I, if I didn't know, think it was true.

Speaker 2: 21:31

So intuitively you know that's actually true on some level. Like this thing, like whatever this is, it's, it's, it's got the, it's got the, the, the bells and whistles of catholicism in some way right well, it's like what they say about um progressivism will wear your religion as a skin suit, or something like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Like there is something wearing the Catholic Church as a skin suit.

Speaker 2: 21:57

Yeah. So I don't see how you can't see what we're going through, as what the catechism talks about in paragraph 675, that the church will follow our Lord, like our final thing was going to be. The church is going to follow our lord into his passion, death, and then there'll be a glorious resurrection. Now we can debate does the resurrection happen like right away, or things like that, but like it seems like we don't think this is the end that's fine, but like I don't know how long that period lasts, like the.

Speaker 2: 22:32

If there's a resurrection, you would think that resurrection period is a decent amount right, but the thing that we're looking at right now does need to die in order for there to be a resurrection for sure. So I'm kind of just in the position where I just want to accelerate the process, like I don't want to drag it. I don't want a mediocre compromise pope yeah, I agree I really don't. I don't want to, I don't want a mediocre compromise.

Speaker 1: 22:59

Look, and the thing is it here's the thing, though I'd like I wouldn't mind one that gives us the latin mass back for at least a few years, where I can raise my kids in it yeah, I know, that's the hard part you know, like, like, because I'm telling you right now, like driving four hours round trip when we can to the tlm and then maybe sometimes go to the nova soda when we can't it's not working. You know what I mean. Like it's not too far spiritually healthy for my kids.

Speaker 1: 23:32

It's not gonna work long term. So so either give us the last mass long enough where I can raise my kids, or let's burn it all the f down, like right now. Yeah, so so that I don't know it has to happen, rob, that's.

Speaker 2: 23:50

That's the thing. Like I understand the position you're in. I get it. It's like you're worried about the spiritual health of your children. I like. So I understand your hesitancy. You're kind of like you're in. You're in two worlds, like the. The Catholic instinct in you is like burn it all down, but the father in you is like no, I want to. I want my children to have the Catholic faith and be able to experience the Catholic faith. It's a rough situation to be in, rob. If there is a collapse of the church that is coinciding with the cusp of World War III, what are the odds? It's not the end.

Speaker 1: 24:23

Better than the odds are better. It's not the end than it is the end, and I say that mostly just because I think we're at the end of hollhauser's fifth fifth age of the church, right, the fifth age started with the reformation and it's gonna end with more or less like the great apostasy and some sort of global calamity, where what will rise will be you know what, what a lot of people call the great, the great monarch and the holy pope, but some sort of resurrection of the church, and that will be the sixth age, however long that is. I mean, the fifth age has been from 1500 till now, so 500 years. The previous four ages were, from you you know, 33 AD to 1500. So they're each about three to 400 years. So who knows how long the sixth age is going to be? Could be a few hundred years until the end of the sixth age, which is the end, right. And the seventh age is the millennium.

Speaker 2: 25:26

All right, well, jd, we didn't miss your super chat. We'll get to it, because I want to talk to Rob about this for a sec.

Speaker 2: 25:35

So okay, so that's a possibility. Like listen, all the things we're talking about are speculative, like all of it's guessing right, like it's not, it's not. Like that's why it's actually okay to have a difference of opinion on this, because there's no way to know which one of us is right. I just don't see how what we're going through is not the passion of the church at this point, especially if we're going to get another progressive Pope, like it has to be, of course you, you say that now because you you haven't seen what comes after yet.

Speaker 1: 26:01

Right, Of course we haven't. That's the future. Yeah, but I think all the people who have lived through previous bad times in the church at the time were telling themselves this is the worst it's ever been. It can't get maybe yeah, no, no, I, I yeah okay but and I'm not saying that we're, we're not at a point yeah, that isn't worse than it's ever been, because I do think it is yeah but let's not kid ourselves and say there's no way it could get worse than this.

Speaker 2: 26:29

So this oh no, we could get way worse. It's going to get way worse, I think. I think it's going to get way worse, but I think of the symbolism of the. Okay. So there's a few things. One is that there's no more holy roman empire at all and there's not even any claimants to it.

Speaker 1: 26:46

Okay, so like there are claims on, they're definitely very, very far, yeah, very far removed, but I guess.

Speaker 2: 26:53

So, um, so, but there's no holy roman empire anymore at all. And and the catacomb? All the fathers saw the catacomb as something to do with the roman empire. Right now the church does take the place of the roman empire, like Like, the church is the new Rome, but there's something about Paul VI laying down the papal tiara and then the subsequent popes. We've had since just kind of a further and further degradation. Now I'm not saying it can't get way more degraded and that can't be stretched over a course of years. Be stretched over a course of years because I'm sure the people in the time of the council, I'm sure lefebvre, thought he was living through the end and it's gone on another 60 years since he's gone.

Speaker 1: 27:38

I don't think he did I.

Speaker 2: 27:40

I don't know that for sure, though, but I'm saying I mean what he was watching the pope in assisi worshiping foreign gods. Essentially, there's no way he wasn't thinking apocalyptic, you have to realize.

Speaker 1: 27:52

Anthony always covers every side of the issue so whenever it happens he can point back and say see, I was right, he's not wrong.

Speaker 2: 28:05

No, listen to me. Here's what it is. I'm working these things out in my head, so I'm bringing them to the show as I'm working things out in my head, right? So I'm bringing them to the show as I'm working them out in my head. Now, if here's, I'm also very amenable to people when they're on.

Speaker 1: 28:19

I've seen anthony switch back in literal minutes too. I've seen him folk.

Speaker 2: 28:24

I've seen him smoke force chain, smoke four cigars and had eight different positions on the same subject all in two hours you're not wrong, I'm not denying it, but what I'm saying is I'm very amenable to like if somebody else is presenting their position to me right. So we had christian on last show and christian like liked pope francis and stuff, and the show before we had kale on and kale's reminiscing about the glory days and the glory days of assisi yeah, yeah, like all the glory days of, like the of the jp2 era.

Speaker 2: 28:54

So, thanks, lad, you're doing a great job. What did he say? Uh, you're doing a great job in a service for us here and on x, lots of brilliant insights. Well, the the thing is we're being honest and we're bringing this to you guys. I want to cover jd's. Uh, uh, oh, sorry, you want to you pull it up hold on this one, okay what do you think of gordon's udg paragraph 81 being put into effect due to austin ivory's book spilling the beans on invalid conclave thesis?

Speaker 2: 29:20

so what's interesting about that is austin ivory responded to. So tim shoots a tweet at um card Burke listing like this is where you can say that the bishop of the cardinals that elect Jorge Bergoglio and Jorge Bergoglio himself heard late sentencia, uh, excommunications. Because they, uh they, they both agreed to this before the conclave. So they basically picked their candidate before the conclave and there was an agreement between the two sides that now, if you read dominici greg is it flat out says that's an excommunicable.

Speaker 2: 30:05

Okay, austin ivory details this in his first edition of his book and then he must have gotten a talking to and somebody must have said to him dude, you literally blew our spot, like that's actual evidence that we did this. So he releases a second edition of his book getting rid of all those details tales. So tim puts this paragraph out to cardinal burke and austin ivory responds to tim and says no, the second edition came out because I was corrected. I made mistakes in the first edition. So calvin robinson sees tim tweet at um, I'm playing with both sides so I always come out on top. So calvin robinson sees tim tweet this and he says tim, tim, cardinal Burke does not read Twitter, but I know him Write an email and I will get it Wait.

Speaker 1: 30:55

who said that? Calvin Robinson.

Speaker 2: 30:58

So Tim writes up this whole thing and Tim wants Cardinal Burke, cardinal Seurat, all of the JP2 and Benedict Cardinals who did not incur this excommunication Because there are some who are still in the St Gallen Mafia all around, and Benedict Cardinals who did not incur this excommunication because there are some who are still in the St Gallo Mafia all around like none of them but any of the JP2 Benedict Cardinals to get together Tuesday, because that'll give you the nine days between the death of the Pope, so it will be canonically valid and get together and just lay out.

Speaker 1: 31:28

Hold a separate conclave.

Speaker 2: 31:30

Well, he wants a separate conclave. That's not going to happen, but even for posterity's sake, to have a meeting and at least get the evidence down, because if you look to um, what's his name? Um, who's the guy who's always talking about the death penalty? Who's the guy who's always talking about the death penalty? Francis, he's dead.

Speaker 1: 31:54

No, no no, On the other side talking about it.

Speaker 2: 31:57

Who are we talking about On Twitter? On Twitter, Well yeah, he's a theologian who's always talking about the death penalty Ed Faser, Ed Faser. Exactly so Ed Faser says the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Speaker 1: 32:07

Everyone says Rob.

Speaker 2: 32:11

Who's talking about the death penalty? So ed phaser writes. The catholic encyclopedia tells us that pope honorius was much respected and died with an untarnished reputation. Yet, as it also reminds us, 40 years later he was condemned as a heretic by the sixth general council and by and by pope leo ii, who pronounced we anathematize the inventors of the new error, including honorius, who did not attempt. Anathematize the inventors of the new era, including Honorius, who did not attempt to sanctify this apostolic church with the teaching of apostolic tradition but, by profane treachery, permitted its purity to be polluted.

Speaker 2: 32:40

What matters in the long run is whether a pope unambiguously upholds Catholic tradition, not what a world that hates that tradition thinks of him during his lifetime. Popes should remember this, this Cardinals too. So Gordon's point is let's at least have an investigation started on Tuesday before the conclave starts. Initiate the investigation this way here. If you get like, a super liberal comes in and they think the shenanigans at the conclave, that investigation was at least started. They could present it and they could talk about maybe what is that called? When you with a pope, I forgot what the name of it is Like. When you, when you, they would try to censure him or something, I forgot what the actual name of it is, so, but I so like it sounds crazy.

Speaker 1: 33:32

Right, like these guys are not going to do that that I mean we're talking about a group of men who, when they had criticisms, wrote under pseudonyms, not just that like, come on, guys, they're not gonna.

Speaker 2: 33:47

Cardinal burke, no, well, listen here. Cardinal bur Burke also said if Francis persists in his errors, we will have a formal correction, right? They present the dubia. The dubia doesn't get answered. Yeah, I mean. But because of all those things and I think they were kind of backed into a corner because there was universal acceptance of Francis, I think if they sent shenanigans at this conclave they will not let universal acceptance happen like I just.

Speaker 1: 34:17

I just think that they've been through too much I know what you're saying the most ornery one there and, like you just said, he didn't do anything the thing is, do we have normalcy bias?

Speaker 2: 34:32

honestly like, because these things do happen in church history and I understand your position like it's like these guys suck, these guys just suck. Yeah, that is my position, summed up these guys suck and you're running, you're not wrong.

Speaker 1: 34:50

You're not wrong like these guys suck there was a time when the cardinals right, the princes of the church. They came from noble families. They had noble blood, noble lineage. They were raised as nobles, they had pride. Right now, they're just freak, they're, they're just functionaries.

Speaker 2: 35:11

Yeah, there's no pride, there's no backbone yeah, you had the same families getting popes into office for centuries, you know, yeah, it was. It was always those same families like uh for for centuries. You know you had the sforzas, the sforforzas, the Dola Rover, a's, the freaking, like they were all, just always starts with an O. Orsini. Yeah, orsini, like all those guys were just, it was one from one family, one from another, one from you know, and they would bounce back and forth having these rivalries.

Speaker 1: 35:50

The.

Speaker 2: 35:50

Medici's got a few popes in there freaking, yeah, like it's borja.

Speaker 1: 35:57

So there's borja saints yeah francis borja say francis for borja. You know how base would have been if, if, if bergoglio gets elected and says I'm gonna take the name Francis, they're all like a CC and he's like no Borgia.

Speaker 2: 36:14

That would have been funny. So you're right, but I'm just thinking we have normalcy. Bias man, if you'd have said in 2019, next year, the world's going to be locked down in a pandemic and we're never going to leave our houses Shut up. That's so dumb.

Speaker 1: 36:33

Right. But if you had said that's going to happen because a bunch of government functionaries are a bunch of pansies, basically, I would have said, okay, yeah, maybe you're right about that.

Speaker 2: 36:46

Yeah, because what we're talking about is courage here. What we're talking about is courage like. What we're talking about is is courage, right, and and having the courage to get up and but man, these guys are ending their, these guys and and like nearing the end of their lives it's true like this might be their last best chance, right so backed in a corner.

Speaker 1: 37:04

Who knows what they might do. I'm not. I'm not gonna say it's not possible, yeah it's very far-fetched, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2: 37:12

Like I talked to tim today after the show, I was like I. The only thing I can tell you, tim, is I hope I hope you're right about normalcy bias, but like the whole theory just seems very far-fetched. But he's just like dude, think about what we lived through the past 12 years and just look at church history. These crazy things have happened in church history. You just think they can't happen in your time because you just I. So much of it is demoralization. We've just been so demoralized over the past 12 years and that's part of which is exactly what he wanted, in my opinion yeah, man, there's so.

Speaker 2: 37:47

There's so much that can happen. And then, on top of that, let's bring up the Kwasniewski tweet, because this is what we're up against. This is such a good tweet by Kwasniewski.

Speaker 1: 38:00

I don't know how he was able to tweet it out after writing three or four books today.

Speaker 2: 38:06

Yeah, he's pretty crazy, that guy. It was a brilliant tweet, though.

Speaker 1: 38:10

Let me get it up here.

Speaker 2: 38:13

And this was like the title of our show. So here's the reality Two churches pretending to be one Bishop one. To me it is heartening how many young people are drawn to classic Catholic practices that so effectively express transcendent realities. What is classically Catholic works. It's time to rebuild with confidence on a solid foundation, including on our knees in reverence before our Lord Jesus Christ. Bishop two those who do not receive communion on the hand commit an act of pride. He thinks he is wiser than the Pope and the bishops who have decided that communion is to be taken in the hand. Please be humble and obedient to the church. This is the pope's planers versus the trads dude, and these are two bishops under the same church.

Speaker 2: 38:59

It is very hard for me to argue against the anti-church thesis. Like the ape of the church thesis, right. Like it's kind of hard to argue against it. It's like there's it goes back to that first show we have with Joshua Charles talking about the body of Christ and the body of devil overlapping inside the church. Like the body of the devil are the nonbelievers. But some of those nonbelievers are in the church, baptized Catholics, and they hold high positions in the church. So you have the body of christ and, within it, the body of the devil. I'm telling you, when I look at these men in rome, so many of them are that they don't believe in god rob right you don't have to tell me dude, you're talking about men who are justifying sodomy, like the things they are trying to justify Like.

Speaker 2: 39:54

do not tell me these men believe in God. They believe in the God of the Pharisees, which is what we've been leading up to this whole past few months right Theodore McCarrick's best friend leading the whole thing.

Speaker 2: 40:06

Dude, and these guys, they worship their father, the devil, yes, and they put on the cloak of religiosity. I mean, dude, this is what the Pharisees did. So, dude, I see this typologically and I'm just like man. How are we not in that time? Now I'm not saying two years from now, the world ends, it's not. I'm just saying like this thing has progressed since the council.

Speaker 2: 40:37

There has just been a wreckage upon us, and the last 12 years were a very big piece of that wreckage, and I think that it is going to be our job, if there is a progressive pope, to remind people that this is in the catechism, that this is actually foretold it as part of catholic teaching, that what we are witnessing is actually in like this is this is how god forges us in our faith. You're going to see the church treated as christ was when he was scourged at the pillar. That will be the shape of the church. The church is going to be decimated in its glory. There's going to be no earthly glory for the church, and I think, if that is that look, I'm not saying that's definitely what's going to happen there could be some kind of restoration with the next pope, but if not, this is what all of us need to prepare for, because it's a very big possibility. What we are living through is apocalyptic and I'm tired of people saying I'm crazy for thinking this. It's very, it is a possibility.

Speaker 1: 41:41

It's always a possibility.

Speaker 2: 41:42

It's a possibility and and, but to dismiss it is crazy, in my opinion, like, especially when you sent me that text the other day, like I can't wait until this.

Speaker 1: 41:52

That one or the one where it's interesting that all the bishops, cardinals, are going to be gathered in Rome while India and Pakistan might use nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2: 42:02

Third secret of Fatima time right Like there's a lot of different possibilities here.

Speaker 1: 42:07

Wipes out the city of Rome.

Speaker 2: 42:08

There's a lot of different possibilities that could happen here, but I am telling you guys that what we could see is what not just the catechism, but what Benedict talked about, and that's in that radio address that the church is going to lose all of her privileges in society. It's going to just be decimated and it's going to be rebuilt and that resurrection will occur by those of us that keep the faith through that, because we know this, we know it's true, but it's going to be. You think about all the people that had the Catholic faith, that lost it on the Francis. Like, seriously, like think about how many people left the church. They went to Orthodoxy, they went here, they went there. Like they lost their faith totally.

Speaker 2: 42:52

We all know somebody that left under Francis. He destroyed people's faith, especially like these Pope's planers. Their entire faith is built upon worshiping the Pope. Yeah, and now, if you have a Pope who denies Christ like Peter did, it's not like, it's unprecedented, it literally happens in the Gospels. I'm just, I, just I'm telling you that what, what, what it'll be is. It is going to be on us to to the, to the like, whoever watches our show and is on board with this thesis, like we. It is going to be on us to keep our loved ones in the Catholic faith, like all of us are going to have that responsibility. Everyone you know in your life that is Catholic, they're going to have that responsibility.

Speaker 1: 43:44

Everyone you know in your life that is Catholic. They're going to have their faith tested in ways you cannot imagine. I think it's unlikely the next Pope's going to be as bad as Francis. I hope so. Even if someone is terrible like Perlin or Tagle. I think they know not to be as bad as Francis.

Speaker 1: 43:57

Well, like I said, I don't think they're going to ridicule the faithful, but that doesn't mean they won't be caving into the pressures of the world, no sure like you're talking about very weak men yeah, but once again, that's no different than what it's been since 1958 yeah, maybe, yeah, okay, but not not where they're caving into every pressure from the world.

Speaker 2: 44:21

You know, I, I just, I just like we always think, oh, how much worse could it get? It could get worse and we and it very well could I I don't think there will be hostility towards us like, like there was on the francis though yeah, that is a benefit. Like I don't think you can hear the constant ragging from the pope about lace and all the crap he said to us. Man, I think that will be over. I pray that that's over, but we all just have to be prepared for whatever comes, because whatever comes, it's in God's plan. God knows exactly what's happening and it's part of salvation history and we may be living through what the catechism talks about. Yeah, like, what happens when the next world? That's what. That's another thing, right? I think the worst thing francis did in his papacy was not the ragging of the of the faithful, it wasn't even freaking fiducia supplicants. It was caving to the pressures of the new world order on that shop and telling Catholics they had to get it. So what happens when the next crisis comes?

Speaker 1: 45:33

Even the shot I don't think was as bad as allowing diocese all across the world to close to the sacrament, but that's what I mean.

Speaker 2: 45:41

No, that's what shutting the sacraments down like. Shutting the sacraments down could have been a portend, because it talks about in the book of Daniel how the holy sacrifice will stop For three and a half years. For three and a half years, right. So we didn't get that under COVID, but it was months. How long was everything shut down?

Speaker 1: 46:05

Uh, here where I am. Uh three, three to four months. I think everything was back to normal by July.

Speaker 2: 46:15

Three and a half months. Huh, that's literally what you just said. It's a little mini apocalypse we went through. I'm just saying, if you don't see that as a type and with the, the ending of the sacraments, comes this thing where they're telling you you get this or you can't buy or sell anything, come on, man, tell man, tell me, I'm crazy. You have normalcy bias. Yeah, because that's what? That's not normal, rob.

Speaker 1: 46:48

Yes, it is normal.

Speaker 2: 46:50

What happened there was not normal.

Speaker 1: 46:51

What is?

Speaker 2: 46:52

normal is normal. That was not normal. Shutting down the sacraments has never happened worldwide in church history. There might have been many enclaves of it during pandemic outbreaks, and I mean it also wasn't worldwide during covid.

Speaker 1: 47:10

It was all across the us and a lot, of, a lot of places, but it wasn't worldwide. Really, yeah, I'm pretty sure the whole world shut down for covid dude.

Speaker 2: 47:17

New york city is not the whole world shut up. No, but I dude, the whole world wasn't every dioces. New york city is not the whole world shut up no, but I dude the whole world wasn't every diocese in the world no, I'm sure there were a few and maybe there was some countries that had less restrictions, but it was.

Speaker 1: 47:32

Covid was a worldwide pandemic sure, but not every diocese in the world shut down, so no, but it was.

Speaker 2: 47:38

I would say it was more did than didn't, more, more did than didn't Maybe. So I mean you're kind of nitpicking. Yeah, I'm just saying you're kind of nitpicking, I am. You're being contrarian, rob, I know you're not, I know I am.

Speaker 2: 47:56

Let's see 30 minutes for 8.81 USD again Ah, the benefits of weak currencies. For 8.81 USD again Ah, the benefits of weak currencies. So I'm I can't, I don't know man, like I had, because I talked to Kale about this yesterday and I'm like so the problem is Kale and I both grew up with end-of-the-world trauma. Like I've told this story. My mom both grew up with end of the world trauma. Like I've told this story. My mom thought the end of the world was coming. She was seeing and, like we went through in 2017, we were all looking at the Fatima prophecies again and we're all like, oh my gosh, the world's in it and it didn't end.

Speaker 2: 48:34

Like none of it happens, right. So you're like, oh man, I'm done checking all these, done checking all these, like I'm not chasing these prophecies anymore. But dude, fatima has not come to fruition yet and it's going to, and we don't even know what that means, though unfortunately, well, you think about, even like our city in ruins, right like you look at all these men at the conclave right now, man, that's a pretty spiritually dead city. That's a city in ruins, spiritually speaking. The majority of the men running the church are you doing exegesis on?

Speaker 1: 49:13

on, just on visions we don't even like, we don't even have the actual secret to.

Speaker 2: 49:17

I'm just saying it's like you could. You could see it as spiritual devastation, you know, and it's I I just actually devastated for 70 years.

Speaker 1: 49:27

What's different now?

Speaker 2: 49:29

yeah, what's different now?

Speaker 1: 49:33

we just survived 12 years of francis and we're looking at what's coming next is rome more devastated now than it was in 1945, when bombs were literally raining down on Pius XII?

Speaker 2: 49:45

That's true. Yeah, it's more spiritually devastated now. I think back then they had the faith, at least you know.

Speaker 1: 49:53

I'm just saying.

Speaker 2: 49:56

I know, yeah, he's such a naysayer. Guys Rob's just a nothing ever happens. Guy rob's just uh, nothing ever happens.

Speaker 1: 50:05

Guy I am, nothing ever happens guy, because, generally speaking, nothing ever happens except things do happen.

Speaker 2: 50:11

I mean, they literally do. We've had world wars. Are you talking about? We're just talking about covid. Covid, was something happening?

Speaker 1: 50:19

covid was reacting to nothing happening.

Speaker 2: 50:24

The virus itself wasn't the thing. The reaction was the thing. That was something happening. You know, it's like things, crazy things happen in the world.

Speaker 1: 50:35

But once again, COVID was nothing compared to the Spanish flu, which started in Kansas and wasn't Spanish.

Speaker 2: 50:42

But the world reaction to it was nothing. It was like all right, let this thing play out. It is what it is.

Speaker 1: 50:48

No, the world reaction to the Spanish flu was not nothing.

Speaker 2: 50:52

I really don't know the history of it, I'm just saying. I know that's why, that's why you think, why you think the way you're thinking right now maybe I don't think so, though like I don't, of course, you don't I don't think so because I know the story of salvation history.

Speaker 1: 51:11

That's why and I don't you only know what's happened so far yeah, that's what I mean, though, like I understand so it looks like it's all leading to right now, but that's only because you can't see the actual end point. Okay, right, maybe that end point is right now, but if it's a thousand years in the future, if you knew that, you know you still think we're coming to the end of something, right, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2: 51:39

So let's just talk about the end of that. It doesn't have to be the end of the world, like it doesn't need to be the end of the world, but it does need to be the end of this thing masquerading as the catholic church.

Speaker 2: 51:50

yes, it needs to be changed there like it needs to be, because people are not like what's the point of the church if it's not actually, if it's not actually going to be the catholic church? Like the catholic church is the catholic church and if it's not actually going to be the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church. And if it's not being the Catholic Church, there has to be something. Dude, I look at it like God. He's not a loving father if he doesn't do something about it. He's just allowing us to languish and he's not concerned with the salvation of souls. He's just allowing us to languish and he's not concerned with the salvation of souls. If he just lets this continue in this state, where it's like you know, like the church is to be visible and like there's things about the church that are just, I mean, they're still there, we still have the five marks of the church there, but there's this other thing, like in it, you know, and it's just, there's a.

Speaker 2: 52:45

You guys are sick in the chat. It's so sick. Um, yeah, uh, let's Ooh. Somebody said wait. I love this show when there's a guest that makes Anthony drop his boomer experience.

Speaker 1: 53:00

I mean you that makes Anthony drop his boomer experience on takes. I mean we really could have like a boomer Protestant on right now in a town just about the same.

Speaker 2: 53:15

Would it? Would it? I don't know? You guys tell me, you guys think I'm nuts. I don't know, I'm just, I don't know man, I don't know. I think everything is leading up to something. It feels like we're coming to the climax of a story. Either way, I'm just, I'm not concerned. I'm not saying you should be concerned. You're sure acting like we should all be concerned. Oh no, I'm telling you what I think our role will be if that happens. That's all. If we get a bad pope, I think it's going to be extremely important for those of us who have the faith to comfort the people who are loose in their faith, and they definitely isn't getting left behind when the rapture comes I don't know you guys, I don't.

Speaker 2: 53:54

You guys could think I'm nuts, I don't care. The problem is I need, like a joshua charles on here to can't have rob just always knocking my theories down. It's not healthy for me. That's why I do it, because it actually is healthy for you. No, no, no, no. I like to dream big, Rob. Oh man, I know Todd's on board with me. Conspirator becomes reality, Todd, a few short years later.

Speaker 1: 54:26

In the end.

Speaker 2: 54:27

you're still Tard, though I can't believe I missed that whole conversation, by the way, which one On? That word, the Sede supports you. I know it doesn't help, it always helps. You're my favorite Sede by far.

Speaker 1: 54:40

Oh, Sede Picante is going to be so disappointing.

Speaker 2: 54:42

He's not even in the running. Stop it. Not even in the running, aaron, oh I missed that one. This one, the rapture will happen on stream, leaving Rob staring at an empty wicker.

Speaker 1: 55:02

Anthony's baby face just disappears and his hoodie just sits there for half a second before falling. I'll just be like, oh, I was wrong.

Speaker 2: 55:13

You guys can all make fun of me, I don't care, I don't care. I bounce between these two positions Because I don't know. I literally don't know, but I can't help my mind from going to these places. Um, I'm, I'm constantly thinking that's what I'm seeing. And then I talked to somebody who kind of tempers it, right, like I talked to Rob and Rob tempers it, but I still think Rob's wrong. He's tempering it and I'm backing down a little bit from what I want to say because I dude, I don't know, I just I, I, I, I'm.

Speaker 2: 55:51

I think you have apocalyptophobia me.

Speaker 1: 55:55

Yeah, I think you have apocalyptophilia.

Speaker 2: 55:59

Apocalyptomania. I'm a bit of an apocalyptomaniac, I am. I'm a little bit, but I think that there's plenty of signs to I mean you talk about.

Speaker 1: 56:17

You say I have apocalyptophobia, but I have a room full of dehydrated food a safe full of guns. Another room full of ammo food a safe full of guns, yeah staying to say the grace and stock up on ammo and I'm fine apocalyptophobia.

Speaker 2: 56:36

I think they should have a freaking cadaver synod with frances after he's gone, like I want to have. I want to see some highlights in church.

Speaker 1: 56:48

I want to live through some crazy stuff in church history well, okay, then we can't just have one right, because that's already been done you think we got to take all the post-conciliar? Line them up.

Speaker 2: 57:00

You all suck I have to say, man, my my opinion on everything, since the council has been so I was listening to you.

Speaker 1: 57:09

Know what, though? The normies would be so insufferable if we dig them up and like they're all incorrupt oh my gosh, can you imagine I quit I'm. I won't be able to handle this.

Speaker 2: 57:23

Oh my gosh, if we dug all the freaking post-conciliar pumps up and they look like they just, they're right, they're right.

Speaker 1: 57:30

They get all of them up except JP one, cause that poor man was murdered.

Speaker 2: 57:34

Well, we're going to talk to father Murr about that on Saturday. Um, okay, so I was listening to, oh, I was listening to. Oh, okay, I was listening to. Oh. If you didn't see my last comment, I also want to say you guys helped me go through a period where I considered suicide and wasn't talking to my friends, so thank you for helping revitalize my hope.

Speaker 1: 57:53

Jens, that that's beautiful, first off, like well, I won't be quitting anytime soon, because you can't after reading something like that no, and I look, look, rob, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 58:05

I really do think the people that watch this show regularly just feel like they're hanging with us. There's not another show that interacts with their audience like we do. There's not right. Not a Catholic show, at least. I don't know if there's other shows, but nobody else is literally scrolling. This was his previous one, by the way, I run Catholic. No way, no way. Trendy runs the Catholic Cole account, all right let's see Then.

Speaker 1: 58:36

why are you here? Every Sean says I don't want to hang out with men in their thirties. Why are you here?

Speaker 2: 58:41

Every show. Who do you want to hang out with? Who do 30s? Why are you here every show? Who do you want to hang out with? Who do you?

Speaker 1: 58:44

mean sean's my age, isn't he? No, I'm pretty sure he's a zoomer oh, he's a zoomer.

Speaker 2: 58:50

Oh, okay, okay, all right, hi, I don't know if you'll see this in time, but I was watching, uh, you and rob. Oh, I was watching and rob was technically wrong. There was a papal oath in the middle ages which many popes made. You can find it in this link below to the Angeles Press Magazine article by Father Christopher Daniel. So let's see. Ah, very funny.

Speaker 1: 59:20

Sean Trindy, you might need to talk sean down now after that, I don't know why this article's not popping up.

Speaker 2: 59:28

It's taking some time to load. Um, yeah, so like what? What I, I don't know, I I'll always like if, if an idea of pice of the coin is feels like hanging out, it feels like just, it feels just like I'm letting religious hippie talk bad about men in my own living room um I'm I'm always going to not be certain of what my ideas are and I'm going to try to hammer them out on air because I need somebody to talk to them about.

Speaker 2: 59:58

Like I can't just have these things in my head, so like I'll just randomly call someone yes, he will and hammer that, like I'll call rob or I'll call bobby or I'll call, I'll just randomly call. So I'll be like this is what I'm thinking and I'll just go on a 20 minute rant and rob will just go, bobby will entertain it I'm gonna say here's the thing.

Speaker 1: 1:00:19

I know. You actually call me about stuff like this less than you call me Now, because you're such a Debbie Downer. You tell me no, too much. I'm going to call Bobby instead the world's not ending.

Speaker 2: 1:00:32

You suck, rob. I don't want to talk about the end of the world. He's so positive, I hate it. I'm so positive, yeah, it drives me nuts. He's positive in his contrarianism. It's annoying. I want somebody that's going to doom whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:00:52

I want somebody to doom Bill with me.

Speaker 2: 1:00:55

Anthony is so uncertain about everything he doesn't even know if he is Italian or North African. I'm Italian, but I'm not sure there's a a difference.

Speaker 1: 1:01:05

The funny thing is, we both know is if, like that, a doom pimp, doom pilling, you were one of those annoying white pillars, I'd be tearing you down oh for sure you would just go against me, no matter what I said.

Speaker 2: 1:01:16

I saw it the other day on like, especially on twitter. I was watching like you went to kyle, like he was just going at everybody okay, okay, okay, but you liked what I tweeted for sure I even reiterated it yeah but even when I'm, even when I'm contrarian against somebody like I know how to say it where they don't think I'm insulting them oh yeah, I like to make sure they know I'm yeah so so all right, so that, but that really does.

Speaker 2: 1:01:49

When you say something against somebody, they think you don't like them. They're probably right. No, stop it, knock it off. I know you like kyle, oh, yeah, yeah, I know you like Kyle. Well, kyle put a tweet out and he said Catholic media is mediocre because so many people are doing it part-time. We need more. Yeah, that is the dynamic of this show. Nick got kicked for white building, not wrong, that's not what happened. Nick's still with us. There are some yeah, he didn't die. No, there are some times where I want to go down this road and I just see Nick getting uncomfortable in his chair. So it's like, all right, let you know, I got to go down this road sometimes, so so, kyle says Jeff, putting him on and really getting nick uncomfortable in his chair.

Speaker 2: 1:02:44

Oh my gosh, that was a rough one, that was hard so kyle said catholic media is mediocre because people are doing it part-time. If they did it full-time we would have media, catholic media, excellence and rob unloaded on kyle no, really, I just said I'd rather be mediocre than lose my soul yeah, and I said this is actually like the worst take ever, like you were actually more harsh about it than I was yes, but then in the in the comments afterward I was.

Speaker 2: 1:03:13

I was like making sure kyle knew this wasn't an attack on him, it's just the position he took was absurd. Uh, anthony, match my current salary and I'll be a full-time e-maker. Uh, I don't know what your current salary is, but I don't know if me and rob can afford it I don't think so. The um, me and rob have talked about this. That's why me and rob both came out on. Like very rarely do me and rob agree, but we both agree, you don't?

Speaker 1: 1:03:41

want to be someone's gonna.

Speaker 2: 1:03:44

You don't want to be a professional catholic like not, where you're dependent on that income because it you'll do things for that money that you will feel dirtier for, like you just we.

Speaker 1: 1:03:58

We hit 30, like we doubled right in three months or whatever it was. We hit 30 000. We're like no, we gotta pull up. Yeah, we gotta we pull back.

Speaker 2: 1:04:07

Yeah, it's like you know, like we were obsessing on how well clips were doing, like because we were having clips that were doing 30 000, 40 000 views and like. Then we found, like, when a clip would only do like I knew it.

Speaker 1: 1:04:20

I knew someone was gonna hear that too. I heard that I'm like, oh, they're gonna clip that when, when we would get a clip, that would only do 8,000. I knew someone was going to hear that too. I heard that I'm like, oh, they're going to clip that.

Speaker 2: 1:04:26

When we would get a clip that would only do 5,000 or 4,000, we'd be like, oh, that one didn't do that. Good, we got on the phone.

Speaker 1: 1:04:33

I started making really good but bad thumbnails, knowing they would.

Speaker 2: 1:04:41

Thumbnails are tricky, man, you don't want to get so over the top with them, but people don't click them if they're not a little sensational. So it's a delicate game you have to play. So we wound up just after that rush result we got in 28 days at one point. We had 12,000 new subs in 28 days at one point and right now it's back down to like 400 or something. It's like dropped off drastically 650. 650, something like that. Because we were both like I can't live like this where I'm checking to see the thing how many views we got. Let's just look if a clip does bad, it does bad. Who gives a crap? Anthony definitely was going. What call?

Speaker 2: 1:05:25

ice on nick call ice on nick till. He realized he'd get deported back to africa. So we, we backed off and I said, rob, you know what? Like we'll still put the clips out, but like who cares how they do? Like, literally let's just focus more on putting good content out for the don't join the philos project, one. That was a part of this too, though see grover, wow oh yeah, he is just ruthless, sometimes wrong with you, wow. So we watched the philos project thing and I'm like, and I watched that is black.

Speaker 1: 1:06:05

That's black. That's one reason why I've been so pissy on twitter lately. Why just they're all snakes?

Speaker 2: 1:06:14

oh, all of them. Like all of them. They are all of catholic dude. Have you noticed? None of those guys are talking about the francis papacy at all. Like, none of them are like getting on and just being honest about like, what it was like, and I know how those guys actually felt during it. So now, now he's gone, like why is it okay to talk about pope alexander the sixth being the most corrupt pope in history, but you can't talk about francis and the hardships you suffered under him? Because I don't get that. I mean, the first few days right after he died, you want to speak ill of the dead, but like we're we're in the interregnum, now we're about to elect a new pope like you should be able to get on and have an honest conversation about this stuff without like we're not.

Speaker 2: 1:06:55

I mean we're not doing what father allman did, saying the guy's burning in hell or anything. You know, yeah, I, I, none of all it's. It's so strange what happened after he died. I watched all of them come out and we talked about this with kale like the nice lords.

Speaker 1: 1:07:09

Right, they all came out, everybody's like and, like you said, especially when we know what they talked about, how they talked about him in private absolutely come on.

Speaker 2: 1:07:18

They were all trying to like sugarcoat the past 12 years, like it was roses and cotton candy or something. It was very strange. It was very in unison that they all did it together. I don't know, man, it's just something bizarre that happened. I was just like you know what. I'm glad we don't have donors. I'm glad that our show is supported by locals. That's legitimately how our show is supported is locals. Locals and recusant sellers, which we didn't do. The promo Recusant sellers, if you guys, I just ordered three bottles. They're very good wine. They're great sponsors of the show and I think you could still catch the 20% off code resurrect.

Speaker 2: 1:07:57

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Speaker 1: 1:08:02

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Speaker 2: 1:08:16

So that's why I ordered three bottles. I'm giving them as gifts for mother's Day, so, and if they do good with this sale, maybe they'll give us another 20% off code. So, especially before holidays, like before holidays, I think they should. But yeah, so like that is how our show was supported. It's just locals members and we have one sponsor. But, like YouTube really doesn't pay much of anything. It's a couple of hundred bucks each. So I'm I'm glad I'm not beholden to some donor that's like well, I want you to take this position.

Speaker 2: 1:08:50

I want to be able to come off and blast off and be like we're at the end of the world, guys and the next day be like I'm hopeful for the next pope, like I have to be able to freaking bounce around like a metal.

Speaker 1: 1:09:01

Catholic unscripted stuff too. That's another thing that's had me upset Catholic unscripted oh, people have gone after. Catherine and stuff for that man, that whole scenario.

Speaker 2: 1:09:15

Like Jules Gomez, nick Donnelly, this should be a local segment, but we'll give it to you guys on YouTube. I want you to support War on.

Speaker 1: 1:09:28

Beauty over Religious Hippie. She's definitely waging a war on beauty. I am not.

Speaker 2: 1:09:34

I will tell you this I've commented on Religious Hippie. I've never commented on War, on Beauty. I can't say I'll say anything good, but I also won't say anything bad. That's the I can't say. I'll say anything good, but I also won't say anything bad. That's the best I can do. Right, I won't say anything bad. Okay. So the situation with Catholic Unscripted, nick Donnelly, jules Gomez leading this charge, reporting them to anti-semitic watch groups, things like that, like I think that's appalling. I I see that as selling your brothers in christ out for 30 pieces of silver to the san yedrin it's, it's like, it's like reporting uh and frank to the gestapo, oh wait I don't get it at all, like I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:10:30

I'm really coming to the point where I see that event as holocaustianity. That's how I see it. I think it's like people are more upset. If you, if you like, if you deny this, you think you're a disgusting person. It's like I know people who deny that christ existed and you don't react like that.

Speaker 2: 1:10:56

100, like people will actually say jesus never existed and you don't have that reaction. But you have that reaction over some historical event from 60 years ago that other, worse atrocities have happened over the years. I don't. It doesn't make sense to me, and when I see the reaction like that, it makes me really go man, you guys are making it hard for me to not agree with Father Maudsley, because I'm actually trying to figure this out too Right.

Speaker 2: 1:11:21

I don't actually know if Father Maudsley is, because I'm actually trying to figure this out too right. I don't actually know if Father Maudsley's right. I don't know. I don't know if he's right. I don't know if the narrative they've given me is right. So I'm like well, I want to at least hear Father Maudsley out, because I don't trust anything that's been told to me anymore. So I want to hear the other opinion now, and when they freak out at the idea of me even hearing the other opinion, I'm going well, this is the same thing as when they wouldn't let me hear about the science that contradicted their narrative during the event in 2020. That's all I think, and I don't know how to not think that. So I'm now leaning towards like okay, maudsie's probably right, and not just right about that I do think he's right about the pressure that was put on the church to change our liturgy, because it just it works with the enmity between the people that their covenant was rejected and and the gentiles.

Speaker 2: 1:12:20

Your coverage of catholic unscripted and father maudley has been a glass shattering moment for me. I'm rediscovering the beauty and history of the liturgy. Thank you so much. God bless from Australia. Yeah, look, there's going to be a lot of people who were turned off from our show because we're talking to someone like that. So it's even. That conversation was a very difficult one for me and Rob to make. It's like okay, okay, do we want to proceed like this? But that was part of the. Hey, I'm not going to placate my audience. When I believe something like I, you guys don't have to agree with us. One last question before you go on the other side one gorilla, 100 men. The men get to use 100 men easily yeah, I think so 10 without weapons

Speaker 1: 1:13:04

no, 10 guys on a gorilla yeah, the gorillas are animals, they can't reason yeah right, like they don't know how they can't map they can't plot out a way to right, they can't be tactical. No, five to ten guys is all you need, and you gotta plan it well.

Speaker 2: 1:13:22

They gotta be strong guys, dude.

Speaker 1: 1:13:25

I don't think they even fast. They have to be fast, strong you gotta wrap that gorilla up quick boy no, bash his head in with a rock you gotta overwhelm him. I mean a gorilla won't even think of that. You know what I mean. Like nah, five to ten guys.

Speaker 2: 1:13:43

No, not five robs no, no you probably need 20 to 30 robs I think, of 100 dudes, rushed a gorilla and ron bay is running away. Um, yeah, so. So that conversation with maudsley was a difficult one to approach, because it's like we're going to be labeled now. What's interesting is they they went after catholic unscripted.

Speaker 1: 1:14:08

They didn't go after us well, well, we were never um respectable you know, but do you think that's what it is?

Speaker 2: 1:14:19

yeah, you think that's what it is like. We don't, we. That's what it is Like. We don't, we don't, because it's almost like we get left alone by everybody, right?

Speaker 1: 1:14:28

So and it's I mean at this point now. It's not due to lack of subs or lack of views.

Speaker 2: 1:14:33

Yeah, I mean we're not up with frat and Marshall, but right there in the middle with everyone else which makes makes, which is an interesting thing because you would think, now that we have a sizable platform, we are a voice in this conversation girl, are you being serious?

Speaker 1: 1:14:51

or is that just you screwing around again?

Speaker 2: 1:14:52

I never know with you yeah, we, our platform is I know you can, jim already took you down tim gordon's platform is bigger and and tim gordon has way more respect in this arena than we do. Right, like cnn, they want to do it.

Speaker 1: 1:15:12

He's got more reach right with cnn not just reach, like he's got this air of.

Speaker 2: 1:15:18

There's something about him that, like, when, like, like why, like cnn wants to do a thing on Catholicism, they go to him. Kennedy too. Kennedy says anything about these topics and they'll go after Kennedy. Right, kennedy? Kennedy's been like cast off into the abyss because he went after the charismatic movement.

Speaker 2: 1:15:37

So I am curious why we have never maybe something like this they went after Catholic unscripted and not you guys, because the former could actually be arrested, being in UK base. You guys have freedom of speech. That's part of it and I also think I also think they know that there's they're not united over there. So, like they're not, like there was a reason, catherine did that interview alone. So I think they know if they could like, if they could shake them and rattle them, you could.

Speaker 2: 1:16:06

Divide and conquer is a very good tactic.

Speaker 2: 1:16:09

If you could find a way to divide a pair of people or a three way, you know three person team, like if you get them arguing amongst each other, you divide and conquer, you take the show down.

Speaker 2: 1:16:23

It's, it's's, it really does. I'm telling you this is why, like the, the friendship Rob and I have is actually unique in this arena. It's very unique in this arena and it's because we've taken very like we've we've made our friendship extremely important behind the scenes, like we don't, cause I've seen so many like shows break up over things like that. Like we told you guys about, like that difficult period we went through. Like, once we got through that, we we make sure we talk behind the scenes, we make sure there's conversations and we don't just do things that the other one noticing Like if you can make each other, make the people that are doing something together dislike each other, make one person think they're more important than the other, or something like that you'll, you'll wreck something like that. You know it happens to every band, that happens to every, happens all the time.

Speaker 1: 1:17:13

Yeah, so I think that might be the second. The thing becomes more important than the relationship.

Speaker 2: 1:17:18

It's yeah yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's an easy way to divide and conquer. It's how. It's how the illuminati and the freemasons work. It's like uh, catholic unscripted crew is brave speaking in the uk. Absolutely 100, like they'll they'll always um, yeah, the taylor and gordon split right like something happened. That riff there and they split and they don't talk anymore. It's like you have to. You have to be careful when you're doing something like this together.

Speaker 1: 1:17:54

That's why I love how kennedy's just in our chat ripping into grover just out of nowhere.

Speaker 2: 1:17:59

Kennedy doesn't know grover like we know him grover, I have to do the audiobooks because you can't read um this is a good point, right, it's because you two have day job like we don't actually have anything to lose. That is a good point. Like that error, with that air of respect, I do have that to lose, yes, but they're more worried about the reputation.

Speaker 1: 1:18:27

Yeah, and I couldn't care less.

Speaker 2: 1:18:29

Where we are not as concerned with our reputation in this arena, like we're just not. But when you're talking about Gavin and Catherine and Mark, they're being invited on GB News. They're being invited, but meanwhile they get the same views we get. Like their reach being invited on GB News but meanwhile they get the same views we get. Their reach is the same as ours. It really is. It's a very similar reach. I think we have similar subscribers. Their channel is nearly identical to ours. When you get into viewers and things like that, their reach is almost the same. But they nobody came after us like they went after them, which I think is a good thing because it frees us up to talk however the hell we want, and nobody's writing hit pieces on us. They tried, he tried, he tried, he tried to get it to happen. It's funny's funny. They don't even know we exist, right, the whole left-cath sphere, almost like we don't exist to them. It's interesting.

Speaker 1: 1:19:34

Hold on Mike Lewis, Mike Lewis, Mike Lewis.

Speaker 2: 1:19:37

Well, I think it's because Mike Lewis and I have a bit of an agreement to not go after each other, so because where Peter is never went after us, like it kind of, yeah, kept us out of that that world. But I honestly, if Mike did go after us I wouldn't care. I've told him that too. It's like Mike, I know you have a job to do, like if you got to report on something, report on it, I don't care. Um, he might, mike might be watching. I do think mike checks our show out to get an idea of like the, the sense in the more traditional side, and he knows I'm not like unreasonable, I think. So he can have a conversation with me. I've never insulted him.

Speaker 1: 1:20:31

Um, I like, I like how, when you talk about how uh, no one's ever done a hit piece on us, you sound a little disappointed Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:20:44

You know how excited I was the one time NCR wrote that piece and put me and Patrick Corbin in it. I was like yes, I was like they wrote about my tweets Come out, ab and you come and get all the logo. All right, we're going to wrap this one up. We're not doing a local show tonight, all right. So Saturday all right, we're gonna wrap this one up. We're not doing a local show tonight, all right. So saturday, saturday, we oh look, my ab show's breaking.

Speaker 1: 1:21:10

Oh man, I think no one's gone after us, because they heard you called loft and gay that one time and they don't want any part of that.

Speaker 2: 1:21:19

I'm not even kidding, I'm not, I'm not kidding. I think the way I went after Lofton they were like, yeah, we don't want to have this guy coming after us. I don't think. I honestly think that might be what it is. They don't. They also might think my family's connected and they don't want somebody showing up at their house what if you find out that Mike Lewis stole something?

Speaker 2: 1:21:55

they don't want the smoke, they don't. Anthony needs a better, louder mic. Set up a go for me. I'm going to get a new mic, rob told me I just need to speak closer into it.

Speaker 1: 1:22:10

Yeah, they're designed to be like three inches from your mic.

Speaker 2: 1:22:13

I have to sit like this and talk right in.

Speaker 1: 1:22:17

You need to get it. I need a boom mic. Here's the thing If you're going to get a new mic, you need a boom arm. Yeah, a boom arm, yeah, boom arm, that like comes right in front of my face so I would get a boom arm first and see if that with your old mic helps, and if not, well then you need the new mic anyways yeah, I'll just get a new mic, I think, I think, uh, I think I've earned one at this point.

Speaker 2: 1:22:36

So, all right, guys, we're gonna wrap this up. So saturday, father murr, monday we're gonna a show. Tuesday the Father Murr show will go public, and then Wednesday is Conclave Day. That is the big day. That is when we might get some answers.

Speaker 1: 1:22:53

I mean likely no, but right, because we still don't even. Oh Saturday 8 am Eastern, 7 am Central, 8 am eastern 8, 7 am central, 8 am eastern it's because father murray's in spain.

Speaker 2: 1:23:09

So yeah, so if you guys are not a locals member, you can get the cheaper version as a youtube member. That's only three dollars if you want to watch that show live, and then you'll be able to have your comments highlighted. Um, and yeah, we're. So I think we're gonna. We're gonna talk to him about the mysterious death of jp1 and then just get his feel for what what's coming, because he has he who? What was he rob? How was he connected?

Speaker 1: 1:23:37

to jp.

Speaker 2: 1:23:37

He's the driver for archbishop ganyan okay, yeah I, I yeah, I read like three chapters of Murder in the 33rd Degree and it's been a while. I'm probably going to try and rush through the audiobook tomorrow to try and get a little Kennedy's voice in your head all week. I forgot about that. Yeah, that's an interesting proposition. Look, be new members guys. Alright, we're gonna wrap it. I'm sorry, you are alright, so we will see you guys Saturday morning, 7am, central, 8am, eastern Rob, take us out, brother brother.