The Historical and Typological Enmity of the Elder Brother (with Father James Mawdsley)

What if the key to understanding Jewish-Christian relations has been encoded in Scripture from the very beginning? Father James Mawdsley takes us on a profound journey through biblical typology, revealing how the recurring pattern of elder-younger brother relationships throughout the Old Testament illuminates our present circumstances and points toward future reconciliation.

Through careful examination of Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brothers, and ultimately Jesus and Adam, Father uncovers the divine blueprint for healing the ancient enmity between Judaism and Christianity. This isn't merely academic theology—it's a roadmap for navigating today's most contentious religious and geopolitical challenges.

The conversation ventures into controversial territory as Father Mawdsley challenges mainstream narratives about historical antisemitism and questions the conventional understanding of 20th-century events. Yet his approach remains deeply rooted in Catholic theology and Scripture, consistently emphasizing that the ultimate goal is reconciliation rather than retaliation. He distinguishes sharply between acknowledging hard truths and harboring hatred, reminding listeners that Jesus himself confronted Jewish religious leaders while praying for their conversion.

Perhaps most compelling is Father's passionate defense of traditional Catholic liturgy, particularly the pre-1955 Holy Week ceremonies. He explains how these ancient rites contain profound theological truths in every gesture, word, and ritual timing—truths illuminating our relationship with heaven and our Jewish elder brothers. His conviction that liturgical restoration must precede the healing of religious divisions offers a perspective rarely heard in contemporary discussions.

Whether you're interested in biblical typology, Catholic-Jewish relations, traditional liturgy, or simply seeking deeper theological insights, this conversation will challenge assumptions and open new pathways of understanding. Join us for a thought-provoking exploration that ultimately points toward hope—the hope of a glorious restoration of the Church and the long-awaited reconciliation between brothers separated by history but united in God's eternal plan.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introducing Father Maudsley
• 5:01 Biblical Brothers and the Pattern of Enmity
• 16:02 The Holocaust Narrative and Historical Truth
• 34:33 The Pre-1955 Liturgy and Catholic Identity
• 52:04 The False Reconciliation in Modern Theology
• 1:05:44 Reconciliation and Hope for the Future
• 1:33:39 Understanding Anti-Semitism and Genuine Love
• 1:48:39 Questions and Final Reflections

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:55

Sancte, sancte, amare morti decadast nos In tes vera verum.

Speaker 2: 1:19

Good morning and good afternoon, father. I always make the mistake of assuming everybody knows the guest that we're interviewing, father. So before I even get into the subject matter that we're going to do, I want to make sure I introduce you correctly. I know you and I had first spoken maybe a year and a half ago and it was right after COVID, and you had a lot of issues during COVID with your superiors telling you you weren't allowed to offer masses. But I want to make sure the audience actually understands who you are. Is there any way you could just give a brief background so that they'll know where you're coming from?

Speaker 3: 2:05

I'm a Catholic priest, that's it. I'm suspended From the FSSP, right, well, from the priesthood. I don't have faculty to take confessions, I can't celebrate a marriage, so I just say mass in the office every day, and it's for a purpose. Basically, the Jews are trying to suck the life out of the church. That's why we saw and the world the COVID lockdowns were about the world and Tradition as Custodians. The attack on tradition is to destroy the church. They will fail, they will convert, but I think that needs to be exposed and I don't believe a priest can give himself his own mission. I have my mission as a priest, but it was blocked by COVID, then by judicia, and if people can't deal with that because they're afraid of naming the jews, then I think I have a right to try and reclaim my original mission. Um, and all we need is a pope to approve the pre-55 missile and then it's all going to be roses and it's all going to be um, start working again okay, so that's.

Speaker 2: 3:14

That's actually a great way to start this now, because when we first spoke, the first time we spoke was actually about your book, crucifixion to creation. Um, and did you see at that time what you're seeing now, or was this kind of a development through writing these books? Because then we discussed If you Believe Moses, part one and part two with you and it seemed like your thought was developing on this and it wasn't something that you caught right away, because I don't even think we brought up the Jews in that first conversation. We talked about it really was just the typological significance of the cross and how God had planned it from the moment of creation with the tree, and there was so many like. If you guys have never heard our first conversation with father Maudsley, it's one of my favorite conversations we've ever done on this channel, but I've I've watched this development in your thought over the past few years. Was that actually how it came or did you always have that in mind when you started?

Speaker 3: 4:15

There's definitely a development, because when you study the Bible you always find out more. And the events in the world. I think evil is exposing itself Because the Jews have accumulated power over more than a thousand years, especially through money lending. They now have that little bit of land that they claim in the Middle East. They claim sovereignty, they have a lot of money and they're showing what they're like.

Speaker 3: 4:41

So it's really obvious Genocidal psychopaths, that's it. And do people not see it? They're afraid of naming the enmity because they think that means that we're some people who see how vicious the Jews are toward the church and toward man, want to retaliate in kind. But then we become just like them and that's a disaster. But all through the Old Testament, all through the Torah, we have these so many sets of brothers who show it's not like that. And Jesus perfects it, he shows us how to deal with it. It's the only way to victory. So if we understand that from the Old Testament, how Jesus reveals it, you don't deny the enmity.

Speaker 3: 5:23

Because Cain murdered Abel elder brother did, and Abraham even has an elder brother and he redeemed his elder brother's son Lot. Then Ishmael sexually abused Isaac. That's why Sarah kicked them out Like the church saying I won't have this pedophilia in my family. Then Esau had a murderous hatred against Jacob, but in all these cases it cooled down at the end and there was a kind of reconciliation, apart from with Cain. And then we see with Joseph and his brothers. It's a beautiful story of them selling him into slavery. The Jews ran the slave trade mostly. So all this stuff people talk about Jews running pornography or Jews running the slave trade or Jews starting murderous wars it's all there in the typology. And yet you have the solution, you see, with Joseph, that God arranged this so that he, joseph, would save the world in a famine and save his brothers and they would be reconciled. Even Esau and Jacob and Ishmael and Isaac have this thing where they bury their fathers together, a religious ceremony in honor of the father.

Speaker 3: 6:23

That is the conversion. You know, jacob thinks Esau's going to kill him, but Esau runs up after 20 years separation. Rebekah said to Jacob leave, go away. Your brother's mad because you've won the birthright. This is like when we got the covenant, christians or Catholics.

Speaker 3: 6:38

After the resurrection, the crucifixion, esau's mad and wants to kill him. He's away for 20 years and by that time Esau's cooled down. He sees all the kids and the families of Jacob. And he's like who are all these, the kids and the families of Jacob? And he's like who are all these? And this is like the size of the church with members of all nations of the world. The Jews will see it and say this is the fulfillment of all God's promises. And Jacob raises his eyes to heaven. Then Esau does and runs and embraces him and kisses him and weeps, weeps in contrition.

Speaker 3: 7:07

So all these stories have the reconciliation of brothers. You have it with Aaron and Moses as well was the younger brother and then with the church sorry, peter and Andrew. Peter is the younger brother, has the better place. St John is the younger brother of St James, but it's closer to Jesus, always the younger brother, and ultimately Jesus and Adam. So what I mean is when you see these beautiful reconciliations with Aaron and Moses kissing on the holy mountain, the packs, I mean a, you know, a manly, liturgical kiss. Then you don't have the anger or the fear which leads to hatred because of the enmity they throw at us, and we don't need to deny that. They run the banks and pornography. They start all the wars. They're bled england dry to get palestine. They're bled america dry to destroy the middle east. All that American money and blood. They've been doing it to England for 400 years. They just look for where's the powerful nation. Take over, use it till it's dead.

Speaker 2: 8:04

But anyway, well, this is so important. Okay, so let me do this real quick that I've been, I've been watching your videos right, and there's something really important in what you're doing, in talking about the holocaust narrative and what has come through that. And if I, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're you're saying that Hitler saw the damage that was happening in Germany from what the Jews were doing financially and things like that, and he wants to expel them from Germany, but nobody will have them. So they come, he puts them in camps along with any other dissidents that he has to worry about while he's running this war. He never has this final solution. It's never about exterminating them. The reason we see them coming out of the camps emaciated towards the end is because the allies are the ones who actually cut off supply routes and they just, it's just, they're so overwhelmed they can't even feed these people.

Speaker 2: 9:08

And what comes after that is this narrative that is fed to the Jewish people, who it does more harm to than anybody else, because they perceive this hatred from the Gentiles and I wasn't really sure what you were, because anybody look, there's this thing where anybody that goes down this road, it seems like it's all they can talk about. Right, I've seen it with several people, so it's always like my fear was never to discuss the topic. My fear was more just, are we going to be the show that only talks about this? I don't think it's something we should shy away from talking about, especially because there's theological significance to it. But if that really is the case and I could be mischaracterizing some of the things you're saying, but just me and my wife last night had watched a movie we didn't know what we were getting into. We just saw Kieran Culkin won an Academy Award and we're like, oh, we do.

Speaker 2: 10:12

The trailer on it doesn't tell you what the movie's about. We put it on and it's about two Jewish brothers going to visit Poland and they go through a pilgrimage of the Holocaust and I'm like the movie was unremarkable. There was nothing spectacular about Kieran Culkin's acting he wins the Oscar but the whole movie is about him traumatizing himself and living through this holocaust. Now, if they're, they're taking him through gas chambers and he's hysterically crying, and and it's about this trauma that was put on on the jewish people specifically, so that whenever you even mention the jews, it becomes this anti-Semitism thing. And am I kind of getting what you're saying right, or am I mischaracterizing anything?

Speaker 3: 10:57

I'll just pick up one thing from before. My first book, adam's Deep Sleep, does mention the first chapter where I get into the Torah about Cain and Abel as the elder and younger brother, which I'd read from St Augustine and St Jerome. So before I left my order I already thinking this is the problem the elder, younger brother thing and the bible has the answers to it. And history, um, because the basically the reason the church changed their liturgy. I'm going to hopefully put out a video tonight which is almost the last one to the holocaust narrative series. I've just got three more to do. This is one of those, um, three more after this.

Speaker 3: 11:40

The liturgical changes were done because of the holocaust. Straight 1945 came by his man blaming the church for that and christians, and then you have Jules Isaac going to see Pius XII and then John XXIII saying 2,000 years of antisemitism which come from the gospels and the founders of Christianity and 2,000 years of persecution of Jews have set the atmosphere that enables the Holocaust and that's why they changed the liturgy. But the liturgy, we've ruptured our connection with heaven. It's a disaster. And you find out that 2000 year persecution is untrue because they were the ones that crucified jesus. He didn't lift a finger against them. They had that enmity of the elder brother murdering the younger one or abusing him, mocking him, putting him in exile. Then they did the same to the apostles St James, st Stephen and so on.

Speaker 3: 12:35

For 300 years the church had no political reach. So how can they say the church was persecuting Jews in the first 200 years? It's absurd. We do have cases in Persia and elsewhere and Rome where the Jews were stirring up persecutions against Christians. What we're told is the reverse of the truth. Then for the middle ages, if you like although I don't like that term, got to find a better one because it's it's so modern as if that were the middle. But then gregory, the great issues, secret judas to protect the jews, and then a dozen popes after him, the next 600 years issuing laws to protect the jews. That's what the church did. Yeah, so you can't have power or influence, but you can't harm them.

Speaker 3: 13:16

And then in the last 500 years say where is this persecution of Jews coming from the church? Never. The church is perfect, the bride of Christ. Of course Catholics have fallen and Catholics do wrong, but it's not from a mysterious, irrational anti-Semitism. It's very often a reaction to Jewish behavior.

Speaker 3: 13:35

Of course there's some Greek merchants whatever in Odessa who are greedy and want to prosper and they've got this competition with the Jews, so they like to have a pogrom to break up the Jewish shops. But it's one-sided if you don't see that the Jews were ripping people off and they do love bankrupting people so they can get control. So finally, this accusation that was brought to the Pope is that it's because of church teaching and the Gospels and the church fathers and St John Chrysostom and St Augustine that the Holocaust happened. Then they start changing the Good Friday prayer for the Jews and the Holy Week and then everything else falls apart. That's what my video, which I hope to get out tonight, is about. This is why we need to get past the Holocaust narrative which is a total inverse of the truth.

Speaker 1: 14:23

A lot of times St John Chrysostom is brought up. You know when people talk about anti-Semitic church teachings. Can you touch on briefly why St John Chrysostom preached so much against Jews and Judaism during his time and place?

Speaker 3: 14:39

Because the synagogue was strong and they're trying to Judaize the churches and he's protecting his flock from heresy, from a disastrous loss of the faith and going back to the law without grace. And there are some fake quotes out there, bad translations of St Ambrose and St John Chrysostom. We've got to be really careful. They did use very strong language, but it's always if you read the whole. He had eight homilies. Read the whole of any one of them and it's always. He's a saint, a doctor of the church, one of the four greatest Eastern fathers of the church. So he's coming from a place of charity. I wouldn't argue with one word of his. But he's saving the souls of his sheep. He's warning them of the diabolical danger of the synagogue whom Jesus calls the synagogue of Satan. If you want, later we can get into what is a Jew? Jesus tells us those who say they are Jews and are not, but who lie, they are the synagogue of Satan. There's so much in there.

Speaker 2: 15:43

A big part of me kind of really understanding this was because since growing up in Nov in in novus ordo catholicism, I have been presented with this idea that jews, muslims and christians worship the same god. And it wasn't until I really understood that the patriarchs and the saints of the old testament did not see like they. They fully understood that god was a multiplicity like. Whether they understood the trinity as fully as we do is is a different thing, but they definitely understood that when the word of the lord comes to jeremiah, it is the logos coming to him, it is christ coming to him. So you have these theophanies throughout the old testament. So when jesus confronts the Pharisees and John and they say they're sons of Abraham, he says no, your father is the devil.

Speaker 2: 16:39

And something struck me when I heard that. That it's especially after the council and John Paul II lives in Poland and he sees the atrocities of World War II. And then this narrative comes forward. I mean, I have a friend who thinks that John Paul was writing most of his theology based on Jewish scholars and things like that. The narrative that comes forth from World War II is so strong that it influences the church in not just her liturgy, but her theology, everything. So when I see Cardinal Dolan coming out and talking about Ramadan at the same time as Lent, it appears to me like the hierarchy is trying to get us to worship the God the Pharisees worshiped and Jesus is telling us straight out their father is the devil. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it, maybe it's, I don't know, but it's what it seems like to me.

Speaker 3: 17:35

And Jesus also acknowledges in the same John eight unless it's John five, john eight yes, abraham is your father according to the flesh. Like one man he says he's not your father, the devil is. And then he says yes, your sons of Abraham according to the flesh. So it's like in Apocalypse 2, 9 and 3, 9, when he says they say they're Jews and they're not. Yes, you might be descended in the flesh. And St Paul says as well about the true Israelites in Romans and Galatians is saying not all Israelites are true Israelites or sons of Israel. And we have the same with the Jew. The Jew is not the one circumcised in the flesh, but circumcised in heart. Is the true Jew? So the answer is the incarnation, where you have Jesus, one person with two natures, human and divine. And we have to work out when he speaks there's a communication of idioms. Is this referring to the divine or the human, or both, when he utters certain things or does certain things? So when he says your father is the devil, he's talking about the spiritual. When he says Abraham is your father, he's talking about the flesh. When he says Abraham is not your father, he's talking about the spiritual. And when the Jews say we're not of the devil whatever, and they mean well, of the flesh. They're correct the devil created nothing. So if we understand, that unlocks the whole thing about israelites, jews, sons of abraham, and people go off on this kazari rabbit hole saying, oh, the jews you see in israel are not descendants of the um, chosen people from the old testament. They're genetically different. It's irrelevant. Irrelevant because one is. Well, how do you account then for this phenomenally evil nation of Khazaris? Where do they get this evil from that? They do genocide for fun and post it on TikTok and are proud of themselves for it, sodomize prisoners to death and think they're doing a holy thing. It's really evil Saying that Khazaris doesn't explain that. But when you think you're the chosen people and you're meant to rule the world, and then you suffer for one and a half thousand years, two thousand years, and it's not happening, there's a massive resentment and they end up god messed up, the creator messed up. We have to fix god and it maybe another time.

Speaker 3: 19:46

All the sexual perversion is linked to that as well, about male and female principles and them thinking that the cherubim on the mercy seat in the Ark of the Covenant, those two angels, are doing something sexual. There's a rabbi in the Talmud, I think, saying they used to once a year at a pilgrimage, show the Jews the sexual acts of these two angels, but the people weren't allowed into that part of the temple and the Ark had been lost in babylon anyway. Because he's talking post-exile, I think, and it's just obscene this idea that angels which are asexual and they think then if we do certain sexual acts on earth, you can alter heaven or repair or manipulate heaven, and that this perversion is from a loss of identity, searching for who you are, when your identity is you're the people chosen by God to welcome the Messiah and you crucified him. That's a pretty hard identity to carry. You need to repent.

Speaker 2: 20:40

So one thing that I've really had a different point of view on from listening to you is I never thought that Israel had any kind of a divine right to exist, but I was like, well, they're there, so I guess they have a natural right to it at this point. But listening to you made me think differently about it totally, where it's like no, even the idea. So in Matthew 24, jesus says not one stone will stand upon another. The temple will come down and the Jews are dispersed from the Holy Land and they are a vagabond people for 2000 years. Essentially, god has permitted. This has extremely big theological significance because you've said that the state of Israel itself is the earthly kingdom of Satan. Right, like that's what this is.

Speaker 3: 21:42

Yeah, it's his footprints on earth. They have no natural or divine right to that land. I just want to rewind again. You asked about Hitler and I didn't quite answer about the inversion of truth. If there's four points where he's accused of something which he didn't do but the Jews did, one was to start the war. The Jews were calling for that in 1933. The bankers and the Zionists doing everything they can to provoke a World War Two as they started World War One, wasn't Hitler?

Speaker 3: 22:13

Hitler didn't want war with France or England, certainly not with America. He made a dozen peace offerings to England. Neville Chamberlain accepted. But then the Jews bring Churchill in. His back is in the focus group to get the war Over. Millions of Frenchmen, englishmen, americans, especially Russians and Poles. But why or what?

Speaker 3: 22:36

Hitler was looking eastward all the time to the Bolsheviks against Stalin. And as soon as World War II is over, churchill's like oh, we killed the wrong pig, meaning we should have been with Germany against Stalin and the USSR. And the Americans said the same, I think first of all you had the Morgenthau plan to try and genocide the Germans, another Jewish genocide plan. And then the Americans realized no, we need to strengthen Germany as a bulwark against the Soviet Union. So Hitler was right about that. Where the threat came, I mean I wish he wouldn't go to war at all. But he didn't want a world war. He didn't want to take over Europe. That was never his plan. It was always an Eastward defense of Bolshevism which was taking down Germany and had been with Jewish influence for decades, which he overcame. The next thing is that he wants to take over Europe. No, he didn't. He did that when France and England declared war on him. But the Jews want to take over the world they're projecting. Then they say he had this genocidal plan. He didn't.

Speaker 3: 23:39

The final solution, which went through different phases of emigration first of all. But when the war started there was a lot of emigration out of Germany. Just free People could leave and and their german authorities facilitated it. But then, when the war starts, these immigrants are collaborating in america or england with allied intelligence and the germans realize, oh, they're perfect german speakers. This is bad for intercepts, for propaganda, we don't want them emigrating there. So they want a territorial solution.

Speaker 3: 24:10

For a long time they'd be thinking about madagascar or a dozen locations around the world where the jews could go in one place. They came up with the nisco lublin plan in poland, southern eastern poland, and a lot of people died there because it was, um, so many jews crammed in in unsanitary conditions. Yeah, it was disease and yeah. And so you have the commandants there or the governors of the region saying look, just slow down with deporting jews here, we can't quite cope. Then, after operation barbarossa begins and they take all this soviet territory, the germans think, oh, we can send all the jews out there, um, to form a, so the baltic states, into Ukraine and Belarus, which actually happened.

Speaker 3: 24:55

But that war turns against the Germans and by 1943, they realized this isn't working. So they changed Sobibor, for example, from a transit camp to a prison camp to labor on ammunitions, whatever. The Soviets sweep all the way to Berlin and there's so many people caught up in that, including all the jews. And after the war, the soviets had no interest in getting germany off the hook of the holocaust and the soviets had been deporting jews from 1940, from poland out to the siberia and the gulag, even down down to Iran and Central Asia. It wasn't huge numbers then. I mean hundreds of thousands, it wasn't millions, but by the end of the war I think this is where the biggest number of missing Jews are. They were swallowed up by the Soviets.

Speaker 3: 25:45

So there's so many accusations and the whole gas chamber thing never, ever, ever happened. But you do have Jews fantasizing about that, writing in their diaries in the midst of world war ii, what they want to do to the germans, and it's horrific, it's the industrial scale murder with conveyor belts, vats, massive places that the germans never did, and it's it's hard for people to get their heads around this. This is where I've developed a lot in the last two years, cause when I wrote a chapter in Moses two about the whole weaponization, the Holocaust narrative, and even that one and a half years ago, I thought that there may be some gas chambers, which is horrific, but it was. It was only tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, which is demonic, you know, but I thought there was some and you realize, no, there were no gas chambers, none, no homicidal gas chambers.

Speaker 3: 26:36

It's a lie, it's a fantasy from people realizing a couple of guys got sick in auschwitz because they're delousing the clothes using zyklon b. This is a couple of german or polish prison guards, not prisoners. And so there's all these safety regulations, like there are peepholes in the door. You had to have the peephole. So if someone's going in there to distribute the Zyklon capsules for the disinfestation of clothes, there had to be someone outside watching him. So if he had a problem you could bring him out. Yeah, you know, and you've got a gas mask.

Speaker 2: 27:10

Sorry, it's so. Look, we have. Here's what's interesting about this the. The generational gap on how people perceive this is huge, right. So you, if you look to the boomers, they can't even hear this. Yeah, because they. They come up under watching movies like sophie's and all these. It's just the nonstop propaganda that comes at you. Gen X same thing. Millennials too right, like, every year comes out another World War II movie where this is accentuated and we are propagandized by the media we consume. But what's interesting is that the younger generation, who doesn't really watch what's going on in Hollywood and they're more on social media, are starting to be able to be broken out of the narrative that the generation before them.

Speaker 2: 28:01

Because I even discussing with my wife some of the things that you were talking about, especially during this movie we watched last night, when they're going through the gas chamber scene, for her to even hear that. That's not true. She was like. She was like you can't say that and I'm like why, I mean, you can't say that? I'm like it's very interesting how propaganda and narrative work and it's also like, because we've been fed this for so long, I'm like even listening to some of the things you say. I'm like there's something internally like no, no, but if it's like, if all that should matter is the truth. So if it's true like this, this isn't about drumming up like because I've seen exactly what you're saying, where I just saw, like jakes yesterday talking about, no, we should bomb Israel, and there is something that can happen like that, that you can turn your hatred towards a people over something, and that's not the answer to it.

Speaker 2: 29:04

The answer to it actually is in these old Testament stories of reconciliation that you're talking about right, and there will be this mass conversion of Jews at the end. Even Jesus's parables the parable of the prodigal son, is about this right, the older brother having enmity to the son who converts. That is a story of the Gentile nations coming to God and the older brother not being happy. How about the parable of Jesus and the workers in the vineyard? That these ones come in at the last, at the last of the day, and the ones that were there all day are like we.

Speaker 2: 29:41

This is, this has been our story since the beginning of time, and now you're just letting these Gentiles in at the last minute. It's the same thing with the wedding. Almost every one of Jesus's parables revolve around this enmity between the sons of Abraham of the flesh and the sons of Abraham of the spirit. So, to witness what I'm seeing in, especially in a lot of Catholic circles, when you get into this Philos project and everybody being afraid to have this conversation, it's like they're trying to put a fear in us to have this conversation, which will blind us to the reality of this enmity that comes about at the end of time, I think.

Speaker 3: 30:23

Yeah, and it's because there's a bigger fear than being tyrannized. You know, the Hebrews wanted to go back to Egypt, back to slavery, for a few cucumbers, because they had this prospect of freedom and responsibility and they got scared. There's a bigger fear than being tyrannized by world Jewry. It's basically what St Stephen did, what Jesus did lay down your life. You will win. You win eternity if you lay down your life for the truth. You can't engineer it or make it happen, but you stand for the truth and take whatever comes.

Speaker 3: 30:58

So we don't want to bomb israel. We just, england, should stop sending the weapons, absolutely stop, stop giving them intelligence support, stop giving them diplomatic cover. We have no business doing this, basically for other nations, but especially not for one carrying out a genocide and one that used British blood and Commonwealth blood, australian blood, to get Palestine through Gallipoli and Beersheba and then to bring down the Ottoman Empire. And then the Jews, who are invading us for weapons and training, turn against the Brits with terrorism, assassinating Lord Moyne, blowing up our soldiers, booby-trapping their bodies. And we as a nation, england although England hasn't existed for 500 years since the Reformation, it's a Jewish construct, that whole Protestant thing we're sending them weapons and giving them diplomatic cover to kill women and children. Just horrifically. This is worse than covid. You know, covid was a trauma, trauma, trauma for everyone being locked down. This is you're witnessing a genocide and your governments are paying for it and backing it. Germany, england, france, america what?

Speaker 2: 32:11

what's going on? This? This has been really, um, especially under. Okay. So I was. I actually was a little hopeful with trump winning the election and I was like, okay, maybe we could turn some of this around. I think I was a bit naive, but even watching, uh, trump handling ukraine and russia, um, I I think he could end that war by just cutting aid off to Ukraine. Like, just stop feeding them intelligence and weapons. There's no way Europe could continue that war without us. Just stop it. I'm watching him bombing Yemen and the Houthis on behalf of Israel. The Israel-Middle East policy continues, policy continues.

Speaker 2: 32:50

It's to me, the the most drastic thing is, I think that the DEI stuff and the woke stuff was almost a false flag. They knew it was absurd. They knew 90 percent of people would be like what is this? So when Trump cuts that off, it's like most conservatives are like, oh, we're winning, and they're like we're getting back. But you're really not, you're just continuing.

Speaker 2: 33:16

What was happening? It was almost like a pressure release valve. And now the things that everybody was worried about under Biden, which was essentially control through money like CBDC, and they were worried about electric cars because of the control they'd have over you with transportation, all the things we were worried about under Biden. I see the conservatives now rooting for because it's under Trump and they've managed it. It just seems like too easy of a thing that people are falling for because we're just continuing. The foreign policy stuff is exactly the same. There's nothing changed there. The foreign policy stuff is exactly the same. There's nothing changed there. The moral issues I mean Trump with the IVF and he's got married men who used surrogacy to have children in his cabinet. I see no difference other than like the craziest of things taken down a bit, and I think it's.

Speaker 3: 34:14

we're just we're marching towards something still yeah, um, but I think it will unravel it with, like the uss liberty people finding out about that. It's black and white and something like that doesn't happen in isolation. You can't organize the American administration to turn a blind eye to the slaughter of their own sailors from a supposed ally overnight. It means there's been a deep infiltration of American power for a long, long time. So that helps explain 9-11, all the wars we have now World War II, world War I, and even going back to the Norman invasion of before. That was the Jewish finance behind that of England in 1066. But that's why my aim is to please God in God's time, if he will. Unless I'm crazy, a pope says any priest can offer the liturgy according to the pre-55 missile. This is like the fullness of truth. It's so beautiful, so intense, so powerful. Only then will, I think, we be what we're meant to be as Catholics the church, be herself and stand and have a strong family life, a Christian society, society, a global christendom. If I can just speak briefly on one element of the pre-55, it just occurred to me a month ago and I'm finding out new things when I think about it there's a second confitio before holy communion that's no longer in the 1962 missile and there's a just a few seconds of the Mass where there's so many gestures piled into it, where, after the priest has received and he's about to distribute to the faithful, he says the confitior for them or the servo would for the faithful. Then the priest turns partly from the altar, gives an absolution from sin so people are ready to receive holy communion. When he does that, he makes the sign of the cross, so you have the passion in that gesture. He names the father, son and holy ghost, so you have the blessed trinity in his words. He's got one hand on the altar, his left hand touching it, because all grace flows from Christ, who is the altar, then through the priest, so you have an acknowledgement of holy orders and the hierarchy of the church. Before he turned around, he genuflected because the blessed sacrament is present in the saboria on the altar and possibly as well the tabernacle, his fingers, when he gives the blessing like this, because he's consecrated the host and he doesn't want to lose a particle. So you have the teaching that the whole christ body, blood, soul and divinity is in every perceptible particle of the host. When he's given the absolution, he genuflects again before retrieving the suboria to distribute to the faithful. So you have their adoration of god again. But it's like you think Christ is king. He's making a genuflection to his king and the faithful, when they receive the absolution, join the confitior, they're kneeling down, they have their heads probably bowed. So you have this humble posture in order to receive our Lord and they make the sign of the cross when he gives the blessing over them, which is the sign of all taking up their cross, as Christ commanded us. And all that happens in six seconds, seven seconds. It's not planned like that by the church, it just happens because of the reality, of the real presence. That's how you have to handle the mass when God is on your altar and people are about to receive him, so you can pick certain moments of the mass where God is on your altar and people are about to receive him, so you can pick certain moments of the mass where it's that dense in. In seven seconds of the mass you have every doctrine and dogma packed in in the timing, the gestures, the text. It's beautiful, but we need to grow up with this.

Speaker 3: 38:10

And I converted, converted late, well, reverted to Catholicism. I was terrible, so far from the church. Then it took me 10 years to even hear about the traditional mass and attend one. And then I heard about the pre-55, and I was against it at first. Arrogant little seminarian thinking oh, what's the pre-55? You know it's complicated enough, trying to get my head around the 62 missile, but why add a layer of complication? Why go back another seven years? Is that really going to be different? Then I attended it in rome after five years or so and it blew me away. It's like another layer of god's grace and the good of the church. And and the pre-55 holy week. If anyone can get to it, do it to change your world.

Speaker 2: 38:55

There's, there's a there's a diocesan parish in New York that is doing a pre 55 Holy week. It's about an hour from me. I am going to it because because, like I, I need to, because I need to actually experience it in order to to make even a judgment on something like that. Right. So, the importance of liturgy and these traditional devotions, you think about what actually sets up the foundation for Christendom, and it is this traditional liturgy, it's what conquers the pagan world. This traditional liturgy, it's what conquers the pagan world.

Speaker 2: 39:37

And to not see how devastating the changing of the liturgy was on all of society, you have to be completely blind. So I don't want to say it's all liturgy, because there's a lot of dogmatic stuff that goes along with it and, plus, you had cultural revolutions going on. But until you get back to it's the same reason, the Jews are able to remain a people. Right, they still do their rituals, they still do their bar mitzvahs and their Shabbat and all that stuff. That's what, that's how they. If you don't have ritual, it's why there's absolutely no unity within Protestantism, because there's no unity of ritual. So they're just completely fractured. But if the Catholic Church is fractured in its liturgy as well. There'll be no unity there either, and it's really an extremely important thing for all of us to have these traditional devotions. I'm excited to go and see my first pre-55 Lenten Holy Week this year.

Speaker 3: 40:34

And there's some great hand missiles you can get for the pre-55 Holy Week, whatever Triduum. You go to get one of the old ones and pray from it. You get so much and a whole deal more when you're there. The relationship, I think, between liturgy, doctrine and life, like morals, is similar to the transcendentals and, ultimately, the holy trinity. So you have being, truth and goodness, and unity are convertible, or, to put it technically, unity, truth and goodness are convertible with being right, so being is prior, and unity actually comes before truth and truth comes before goodness, but they're all convertible with being. So when you have the liturgy right, that is like being. It is life, divine life. The doctrine fits it perfectly, it's truth, it fits perfectly with our liturgy.

Speaker 3: 41:25

My video tonight is about the Good Friday Prayer for the Jews, why it is packed with truth and we need that truth. And then the goodness that comes from that is your, with truth, and we need that truth. And then the goodness that comes from that is your moral life, for which you need grace, the illumination of true doctrine, and grace to strengthen your will. And all three, though, are one like, ultimately, in the Blessed Trinity, with the Father being that origin without origins, in a sense the source of being the Son, being the Logos, truth, the light of truth and the Holy Ghost being goodness. But you can't separate them. So you can't lead a proper, have a moral society, a Christian society, without the right liturgy or without the true doctrine.

Speaker 3: 42:06

A lot of trads say look, this is not primarily a liturgical fight, it's a doctrinal fight and the thing is they're in complete parallel. But I personally think that the liturgy is the deepest. We're literally connected with heaven and you change the liturgy, you're changing your relation to heaven. Except that God and the saints bequeathed us a liturgy and if the Holocaust is the reason it got changed, that's it. I've got loads of evidence coming in this video and that's why I'm banging on about the Holocaust.

Speaker 2: 42:44

Why do you think you are the only priest talking about this?

Speaker 3: 42:47

That's the most shocking thing to me is that you are the only one talking about this when you get into any subject, you find that more and more people have been talking about it for ages that you didn't know about before, so I don't think I'm the only one. But yeah, I did have my time in prison in Burma, which I think now was good preparation for this time. It's just where you've got to take it one day at a time. I didn't know when I'd get out. I had a 17 year prison sentence. I didn't believe it would last that long. I guessed it would be six to 18 months inside. I was 14 months inside, then I got released.

Speaker 3: 43:25

But you can't. If you're putting your hopes on getting out, I think you break psychologically. I'm not putting my hopes on a pope acknowledging that you can't forbid the pre-55. It might never happen, or might never happen in my lifetime, or anything can go wrong before then. But one day at a time, I think this is what we need. This is what the world needs. This is what's pleasing to God and what is in the way, whatever is in the way, whatever is in the way, take it down. And what's in the way is jewish power, jewish lies, jewish greed and, of course, gentile sin. We're sinning before the jews existed. I'm not denying that, but it's. It's specifically because they were the chosen people who crucified Christ and resent that Gentiles should be God's children. They resent that this is the second most powerful force in the world. The most powerful is Christ and grace, truth, the church. But what's set against that is the negation of it all and again. Well, we've spoken a lot. The conversion of the jews is absolutely certain from the scriptures and it gives you that hope and that goodwill towards them. So you're not afraid of them. You're looking forward to the day of reconciliation, but not gonna like people think this position.

Speaker 3: 44:50

Sometimes. It means turning the other cheek, means you let the jews walk all over society. It does not. Turning the other cheek is about dismissing a personal insult. Someone has a go at you. Let it pass if it's not going to be a scandal. But when they're killing children in gaza, there's nothing about turning the other cheek to allow that.

Speaker 3: 45:12

So I'd say we cease all diplomatic recognition of Israel, stop supplying them with anything, and they're going to have to learn to be very, very good to their neighbors there if they're going to stay. And then I'd hope to see a Palestinian state, if not a Christian kingdom, where they will treat the Jews as they did for hundreds and hundreds of years, giving them their own space and tolerance. But they've so angered the Muslims rightly and the Arabs. It's hard, isn't it, to see how there can be any reconciliation there, and of course Islam doesn't have the power to reconcile any reconciliation. And of course islam doesn't have the power to reconcile. Only catholicism does, maybe through the consecration of russia, and then the orthodox come back from a schism that's so old, and then the reformation is overturned, then the enlightenment is overturned.

Speaker 2: 46:02

I think it starts with russia, with that schism, which is a jewish work yeah, I, I think I think that will be incredibly difficult until we have our own liturgy restored and things like that right, because why would they want to reconcile that, that schism with us? When I mean, I just just from listening to what the orthodox say they're like look at how much innovation you guys have had over the course of the last few decades Like I don't. It's something we need to fix in-house first in order for us to be able to go and heal the outside schism.

Speaker 3: 46:41

Or consecrate. Russia and Our Lady will take care of it. Hard to see how it happened, but we might even need the help of orthodox bishops who have the apostolic succession. I I it's a big question about our own bishop's consecration. Right, it's a mess. It's definitely weaker. Definitely weaker. Whether or not it's valid. I mean, I'm trusting it's valid. I don't have a demonstration that it's not, but there's so many question marks over it. Why did we do that? That's disastrous and with a unity with Russia, using Orthodox or Coptic or other bishops who definitely have apostolic succession. We can at least put that question to rest.

Speaker 1: 47:22

That's true, yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:23

That's interesting because even if you go back and like, listen, I know everybody's got questions about malachi martin, but he he does talk about how russia and the like, salvation will come from the east and russia will play a significant part in in the restoration of the church somehow yeah, we can't imagine America or England becoming Catholic overnight, but you could imagine Russia becoming very Orthodox Christian in a short time frame, and they had a lot of experience of the enmity of the elder brother that they don't want to pour for again.

Speaker 3: 48:06

From there it can spread to places like Hungary and then Eastern Europe, poland, say, and then slowly to other smaller nations around the world who knows? The Philippines, or in South America where there is a lot of Catholic heritage, and then finally England and America might see that, wow, they've all got a good thing there. Yeah, catholic King, christian Tsar, sir, let's do it do you?

Speaker 2: 48:33

do you think, um, because I all right, there's a couple of dangers with, like, okay, well, all right, before that, even, um, this is this topic specifically I've seen e michael jones talk about, but it's almost a blind spot for him when it comes to the liturgy. That he doesn't. I don't know if he doesn't see it or he doesn't think it's that important, but he's like he doesn't. He doesn't think the liturgy is a significant enough of an issue to put your foot down on, and he, like the Jewish infiltration and almost creation of the Novus Ordo, seems to have very Jewish roots. So, like I do know he talks about the subject of the Jews, but there's this blind spot when it comes to the Novus Ordo and the council itself, and so that's one thing. That's that I find interesting.

Speaker 2: 49:29

But and then, all right, let's, let's just stick with that. And then I want to talk more about apocalyptic stuff, because what I see is people that do go down this road. It seems to be the only thing they can see, and I wonder why that is. Why do you think it is that once you see this, you just keep going deeper? Because I think there could be a danger in that too, right, sure.

Speaker 3: 49:53

Yeah, I joined the COVID lockdowns. I got E Michael Jones's book the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. It's a very big book but because of lockdowns I had time to read it and I'm eternally grateful to him because that unlocked so much for me. Because if you're trying to answer the Jewish question just by analyzing current politics or even historical events, it's so hard to put it together and there's so many counter arguments and obfuscation. It's very, very difficult.

Speaker 3: 50:19

But he gave the theological key that this is a spiritual matter, it's a revolutionary spirit, one that's negatively orientated against god, and that means you can understand history and understand current politics. So for e michael jones to have done that and he was a kind of a lone voice I mean there's lots of lone voices out there I think when you're speaking the truth, you you're isolated, although there's actually quite a lot of people doing it. It's just that their enemy isolates them. And he's done an awesome thing for the world and the church with that and others of his books. And to have answers on the liturgy. You really want theologians and clerics to stand up and teach that. And if theologians and clerics are getting that right, there's loads of Catholics out there who, like Nick Fuentes, says brilliant stuff about the Jews and especially about a threatened war with Iran.

Speaker 3: 51:20

He was onto this way before anyone you would see in the mainstream and any other big name podcasters, whatever. He's seen it coming Brilliant, brilliant analysis, calling it out and paying a price, um, but he doesn't attempt, as far as I can tell, to teach about the liturgy. He knows his, his lane right and you're not going to go to him for answers on the liturgy. People won't really go to michael jones for answers on the liturgy and and I also see he leaves some space there when he is conceiving he has trad seminarians coming to hear his talks. He knows the trads are on to something and they know that he's on to something. And this is the beauty of the body of Christ. Right, we actually need each other. All the members With their different. Each organ in your body has a specific purpose and it needs to be devoted to that purpose and then the whole works together.

Speaker 2: 52:18

So, people, will have their different expertise.

Speaker 2: 52:22

Now, do you think that God has even allowed the Jews to come back into Israel itself has to have apocalyptic consequences Like it just seems to me that even them being allowed back into the Holy Land has to be very significant.

Speaker 2: 52:45

In the story of Christianity. And the way I understand the story, it seems that after the Ascension, especially if you read in Augustine City of God, you see the establishment of the altar of God go throughout Christendom. The pagan gods are vanquished and you see the rise of Christendom and especially with all our liturgies and things like that, where you know, as the priests are going throughout these places with incense, they're casting off demons. And then all of a sudden you have the Jews returning to the Holy Land and it seems like the demons are unleashed back upon the earth. The liturgy of the church changes. We're no longer casting off demons, but the demons seem to be getting a footh back upon the earth. The liturgy of the church changes. We're no longer casting off demons, but the demons seem to be getting a foothold throughout the earth. Like I kind of see this, as a lot of people are trying to tell me this is a type, but I don't know, to me it kind of seems like the main event we're coming up on.

Speaker 3: 53:44

Yeah, and it wasn't sudden, it wasn't, you know. You know Israel Ben Manasseh was meeting with Oliver Cromwell back in the 1660s, talking about Zionism in a vague way because it seems then politically impossible. But the Kabbalists and some Talmudists, they've wanted this ever since their temple was destroyed, you know they tried to rebuild it. They had no chance but they've wanted it. They've been very patient. They've built up how they can do it. Then, with the Rothschilds buying land in Palestine from the 1820s. It's a long-term plan, required a lot of political subversion, but it's definitely of massive significance. But I think, in completely the opposite way as you get from the Catholic truth about the scriptures. So everything in the Old Testament, jesus shows us how this is fulfilled in a spiritual way. So, for example, the Holy Eucharist, it's grace, divinity, the soul of Jesus you're receiving with his body and blood, which is material, but down at the level of substance, not the accidents, um, or to understand adam, um falling asleep and having his rib taken out to make eve. You'll understand then, with jesus on the cross and his blood and water from his side being the beginning of the church, and the sacraments of baptism and the holy eucharist, so that everything in the Old Testament has a spiritual significance. The land of Israel signifies heaven. Crossing the Jordan River is going over death. Um, the, the milk and honey it flows with is like truth and love, or however you're going to interpret. This is how the church fathers interpret everything. The hills around Jerusalem, they say, are like the good bishops who protect the flock, and the mountains are like the evangelists who preach the gospels. The stars in heaven are like the children of Abraham. God said look up, count the stars if you can, and then the sun is up there, because Christ is just the light of the whole of heaven. Everything in nature, in creation, has a spiritual meaning, and then history is. It's like the meaning piled on top of meaning. Using like words have a meaning, but if all you can do is utter one or another word, it's not that interesting. String, string some words together, you get something very interesting. So nature, everything has a meaning. String them together like a lamb being sacrificed, and you have an image of the son of God giving his life for us, then you're putting sentences together. So when people look at the return of those who say they're Jews and are not whatever, to the real estate in the Middle East, that they're calling the land of Israel and they want the greater Israel. This is actually the devil's attempt, I think, to give an apparent fulfillment of the scriptures, which will suck in every idiot and heretic. And I'm angry with the heretics. We shouldn't softball on it. They're stealing souls from heaven.

Speaker 3: 56:52

The protestants, yes, with their crazy jewish ideas of the old testament. So I saw this jewish woman speaking recently on devon stack's uh, insomnia stream and she's she's salivating over destruction, looking forward to a war to destroy nations, and she thinks this comes from zechariah and moses. This is how they read to destroy nations, and she thinks this comes from Zechariah and Moses. This is how they read the old testament. And she talks about the upheavals and earthquakes and then plagues, and thinking we've had these political and financial upheavals and then the covid plague which the jews engineered, and she, she loves it and she says and now we're going to have our big war and destruction.

Speaker 2: 57:29

All this is the devil fulfilling a carnal understanding of the scriptures that's temporal instead of eternal that's yeah one one of the most one of the most interesting parts of the series you're doing is when you go and look to some of the rabbis explaining this and then the christian zionists like raving about it, like Like the Christian Zionism specifically, other than just Protestant. Because I see it, I see it the same way with Protestantism is that they, their father is the devil, like they're there, they have a veneer of Jesus, but it's really just do as thou will in most of Protestant, and I, you know I'm painting with a broad brush and whatever, but it's really just do as thou will in most of Protestants and I'm painting with a broad brush and whatever, but it is do as thou will. It's essentially well, once I'm saved, I'm saved. There's no depth to a spiritual life there.

Speaker 2: 58:24

It's atheism, essentially Maybe not atheism, but it's worship of a God in your own image instead of worshiping Christ as he intended. There's only one Christ. So these other versions they're presenting are false Christs, they're false messiahs and I see even within Catholicism there's a Catholic Zionism coming about, coming about. I watched a conference at the Philos Project where this Catholic woman got up and said the reason some of this anti-Semitism is coming about is because Catholics are envious of the Jews because they're more pro-life than them, and that they're having a replacement rate of three children, whereas Catholics have an average of 2.3.

Speaker 2: 59:11

So the real reason that there's anti-semitism amongst catholics is because, deep down, catholics are envious of the pro-life stance of the jews, and I was like I was ready to throw something at the screen.

Speaker 1: 59:22

It was evil it's like to say that's, that's all like. It's always about envy to them like that, the whole argument as to why anti-semitism happened in the past is because we were envious that they were successful doctors and lawyers and that's what this whole conference was about.

Speaker 2: 59:37

We're envious of them because of their success, if you have baptism.

Speaker 3: 59:42

Who can you be envious of? Yes, you receive the holy eucharist. You cannot be envious. It's the opposite. You want them to come in and have it as well. Yeah, you're like this is so good. This is unity with god. It blows our mind every time. You want other people to have it, even if they've hurt you and lied about you. You're like you know what the best result would be if you repent, convert and come.

Speaker 1: 1:00:04

Come to the altar as well like you, like you said it's, it's projection on their part. It's not that we're envious of their success. They're envious of us that we have the Messiah, that we receive the body and blood of the Messiah.

Speaker 3: 1:00:18

Yeah. So I think with the whole founding of the state of Israel, the devil can't really counter the Catholic truth just by ignoring it or denying it. That won't work. He needs to give a false alternative that the idiotic reading the scriptures it seems to be fulfilled gathering all the children of Israel, bringing them back home. That's a spiritual reality about, I'd say, catholics returning to tradition, because we're returning to heaven, the promised land, which is the traditional liturgy, which is your connection with heaven. So, and he will bring it to a catastrophic war.

Speaker 3: 1:00:58

I'm not saying, though, that armageddon has to happen. Physically, it might, it might not. It's up to us if we're going to be faithful or not, because it is happening now. Spiritually, I mean, all those Catholics who are tolerating what's happening in Palestine now are losing their souls. They are betraying man because you're approving or allowing the killing of children and civilians, and they're betraying God by recognizing an Israeli right to exist. They don't. They're the only people without land. That's the whole point.

Speaker 3: 1:01:36

The Levites were the tribe to be priests and God said you will not have your portion of land, I am your portion. Such a beautiful promise to the Levites. They weren't jealous of the other 11 tribes, who all had a portion of land. God said I am your portion. So this is how catholics understand it. This earth is just our pilgrimage. We're passing through. It's a tent, it's going to get folded up. Heaven is our home. We're on our way there.

Speaker 3: 1:02:02

So, even though the nations by nature have your own sovereign territory, which is absolutely vital and to have to, we've got to regain the meaning of the word foreigner. By the way, in politics and theology and everything, it's not a nasty, aggressive, racist thing to talk about foreigners. So you run your household. You don't have other guys on the street running your household. We should run our nations and foreigners can be there as guests, but they have to behave as guests. And then Jews are always foreigners wherever they go, but they have to behave as guests. And then Jews are always foreigners wherever they go because they have no land. They can moan about that.

Speaker 3: 1:02:34

That's what you get for the crucifixion. Joshua warned about it, moses warned about it, jeremiah warned about it. You break the covenant, you lose everything. And the beautiful answer for them is if they convert to Catholicism, you inherit the whole world in heaven. You get heaven in heaven. You get heaven in fact. So what's your problem. Although having a bit of land and living off the land, having ancestors there, is how it works by nature, and grace builds on nature. God supersedes that with the church and the life in the church. That's what's on offer to them. When they're ready to take it and they will the Antichrist, whenever he comes, he's going to totally expose himself. It's already unraveling for them. I think They've got to act very fast now because, yeah, the young generation coming through and, like with Nick Fuentes as well, on Holocaust and Al, he just says it like with no fear, he said it very early on those guys, it doesn't seem to take them long to work it out.

Speaker 3: 1:03:35

I went to prison in burma because of the holocaust. In a way I thought how can such a thing happen? How man's in humanity to man? I wanted to get eyeball this kind of evil as close as I could get to it, where I could handle it, which I thought inma, and I didn't see it there. That's the strange thing, I didn't see it. In the prison there were a couple of very evil prison guards. I got beat up a couple of times, but I'm not looking at this level of evil we've been told about. I know Burma is not Nazi Germany. But I had no hint of it and I've got to wrestle with that for a long time and I didn't want to admit it that the Burmese regime, for all the terrible things they're doing, they're not. There's no connection with the caricature of Nazi Germany that I had in my head, or even Stalin's, which I think is real evil Stalin.

Speaker 3: 1:04:26

It took me so long to realize that the Holocaust didn't happen and you have these 16-year-olds who figured it out. But there are some pretty weak arguments out there. People will say 271,000 dead on the prison lists. That's almost. That's no argument against the 6 million. There's many better arguments. Or there is.

Speaker 3: 1:04:47

People do trivialize it and come out with weak arguments against it and they use forged documents which go all over X forged documents to debunk the Holocaust. No, no, go to someone like Gemma Rudolph and the Holocaust Handbook series or Colin Metogno really rigorous, scientific, historical analysis of the facts presented very clearly, and it takes a while to get your head around it. It's not easy reading, but then you have to admit that thing it didn't happen. So what is this world where we live in, where Keir Starmer, british Prime Minister, is saying we need a Holocaust museum in England and all kids need to be taught about the Holocaust in school, even if they've opted out the national curriculum. It's mental. We're not even learning our own history and we have this fake history. And the scary thing I was saying about the Hebrews wanting to go back to slavery in Egypt when you admit it didn't happen. It kind of fits in with the USS.

Speaker 3: 1:05:39

Liberty and 9-11 was the Jews. Covid was the Jews. The Reformation was the Jews. Oliver Cromwell couldn't have happened without the Jews. Great Britain is a Jewish construct. England and Wales is something. Scotland is something. Ireland is something. They're all awesome on their own as a Catholic nation. Stick them all together. It was a banker's scam.

Speaker 2: 1:06:07

And it involved genocide against the Irish. I think it's really interesting that we're even at a point where these conversations are actually happening now. There was a time where these conversations couldn't even happen. Yeah, it was just impossible. You couldn't even have this conversation and talk about it, and I think it's significant that it's almost like god is allowing the narrative to be broken up a bit in in in places. So you see, the narrative is falling apart on them, especially with the younger generation, and it's just interesting to me that I was so resistant to it as well. And then I just I think COVID was so significant because once I saw the amount of lies they tried to tell us, it was just so obvious that I was like man, I really do need to question all of these things. You can't just take it on their authority because they said this happened.

Speaker 2: 1:07:06

There's so much to even Catholic schools, what they teach. Now, after this period, we're no longer teaching our children Christian history of how Christ conquers the nations and all nations worship Christ the King through the defeat of paganism and all these things. You don't teach them any of that. My wife went to Catholic school. She was a Lutheran girl. They never even told her she couldn't receive communion there. She was going to mass and receiving communion as a Lutheran and she never even heard once that she couldn't receive. Her theology class was mixed in with all the other religions. It was no different at a Catholic school one of the top Catholic schools on Long Island from your average public school when it comes to this stuff. So the narrative machine is breaking down and I think it's important that these conversations are had.

Speaker 3: 1:07:58

Yeah, but we've got to do it now and get to the traditional Holy Week now, because this won't last. The enemy is so evil and desperate they will shut anything down. They need the internet to brainwash the world and to lure them into consumerism and everything and brainwash them with the narrative. But when they realize they've just totally lost control, they will shut it all down. And the place you will get truth then is with those that you go to mass, with the people you meet before and after mass and from Jesus Christ in the mass. But you're not gonna pick that up overnight. You need to practice now, while God gives us time, while there's still light before it is night. And if you have, then a strong, you're part of a strong Catholic network where you can rely on people face to face. Then the collapse of the internet is not going to be the end of your life, it's not going to be panic and you're not going to be tempted to steal and loot and murder in order to live.

Speaker 2: 1:08:55

You see that happening. You see the collapse of the internet coming.

Speaker 3: 1:09:00

Yes, it could. But you know, I think this whole thing as well about the apocalypse if we take that carnal reading of the Old Testament and then the New Testament and we think it's going to be this catastrophic sense of natural disasters, wars and famines. Yes, they could all happen, but it's more of interest. There are spiritual plagues, like heresy. There's a spiritual famine when you can't receive the Holy Eucharist because of COVID, say, and the Pope sending the signal to close down churches, bishops ordering their churches to be closed. That's the famine. Yeah, Not bread, Although bread is bad enough if people are starving. That's terrible. It's infinitely worse when the Holy Eucharist is not made available, when the Holy Eucharist is not made available. So this, I think, is happening now, this distortion of the Catholic life around the world and even in the Vatican. Mccarrick, did he die today or yesterday?

Speaker 2: 1:10:05

Yesterday, I think Thursday, actually Thursday he passed.

Speaker 3: 1:10:08

And no civil trial or justice from the church, nothing. It's outrageous. That's truly demonic, really demonic. The second most evil thing in the world, I think, after profanation of the Blessed Sacrament, is child abuse from a priest. Oh yeah, who has this position of authority to get the trust of a child and does the most evil thing? So this is worse than whatever we can read in the apocalypse. That this is happening, the state of the church, that the bishops tolerate that, oh for sure. So who knows how it's going to go? That's why I say like prison, just one day at a time, and now I'm suspended. You brought up my old order. I don't name them because I don't want them to get a hard time from anyone. They're awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:10:55

When I got to seminary there, I discovered a whole new Catholic world when I'd been like 10 years thinking I was finding everything Catholic I could. It took me time and then I get there and just vespers. I hardly knew about Vespers I'd been a few times in monasteries but it's such a priority in the life of the seminary. You will be there every single day for Vespers, at 5 or 5.30, depending if it's a feast or not and you're giving half an hour to it or more, and at first you think it's beautiful, it's interesting, and then you wonder, like, don't we need to use our time for other things, study or whatever? No, this is life. The divine office is life. That's what everything else is for the mass and the office.

Speaker 3: 1:11:55

So why would you surrender that for anything? And that was my view during the COVID thing why would we surrender the Easter liturgies for anything? There's nothing on earth that's worth surrendering them for, then it's over. There's nothing on earth that's worth defending them for, then it's over. But I think Our Lady is going to bring about a restoration so marvelous. We're all going to be astonished, never mind people's mouths hanging open when they see the banking collapse and Babylon fall. The restoration is going to be so good. There has to be this victory in history, I think so that in heaven for all eternity. The saints. We're not kind of looking back on history saying, well, we had all these awesome saints for 2,000 years after Christ and then the last generation. They really dropped the ball and it all ended messy.

Speaker 2: 1:12:45

That's actually really true, right.

Speaker 3: 1:12:48

It's going to be fantastic. The last generation is going to make sense of the lives of all previous generations, who will only then understand why they did what they did. Why was it worth St Stephen dying just to explain the Torah and the prophets and the writings, which was what he did, and then his own death. It will make perfect sense with the last generation when everything comes together and everyone then was so happy, why they went to mass, why they prayed the rosary, why they had so many children that they had, why they helped their neighbor. They'll understand in the end, because it's going to be like down to the line In a way. You could think if one person in all history who gets to heaven didn't do what they did in their life, it would unravel at the end and that the Antichrist wins. Now, if God plays it like that, there's no way God can lose. But if that's how it actually turns out, everyone's just going to be so amazed, first of all at what God let them do with their life.

Speaker 3: 1:13:58

No-transcript. I've given an analogy before. If you're trying to raise a million bucks and someone gives 800,000 and then 10 people give 10,000 and you think, oh, this is going to be easy. But the next donors give less and less and less to people giving a cent, half a cent, a digital fraction, and then you just reach the target with the last possible donor, one million. You made it. Every single person who contributed was essential to reaching the target, although some, every single person who contributed was essential to reaching the target, although some, like Our Lady and the Apostles, gave a lot more than the rest of us, but everyone was needed. That's how we're going to view each other in heaven. That history was a victory and the Jews will play a very interesting role because they will know the Antichrist better than anyone else, because they've been paving his way for 2,000 years.

Speaker 2: 1:14:43

They know his secrets, they will get betrayed by him and they'll kick his ass because they're going to at first want him seeing him as their messiah, and then he will turn on them.

Speaker 3: 1:14:57

He will get, let's say, the temple rebuilt, whether physically, with stone, in jerusalem, or it has a special significance, and until then, the jews will support him because they think they're going to have the sacrifice of moses the lamb, the paschal lamb cutting its throat, all this. He won't allow that, though. Once the temple is built, he'll say this is my seat for a global religion, one world religion, and we're not going to kill bunny rabbits or sorry, they never did lambs or goats or anything. We're going to do this my way. You're going to bow down to me, and then the jews.

Speaker 3: 1:15:29

This is a possible reading from the fathers. I don't know what's going to happen, but then the jews will be like this is not what we signed up for. We actually wanted to the best of them. We wanted to try to implement the torah physically, and they will realize that the Torah has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The Catholic mass is the keeping of all the commandments of the Torah. That's the sacrifice they want the altar, the priesthood, but I don't know how the timescale can possibly work.

Speaker 2: 1:15:56

Yeah, yeah, of course. I mean I don't even think we should try to. I'm really glad you said this because, no, no matter what, there's going to be a glorious restoration of the show. Now we don't know what that will look like at all, but there will be a restoration and there's always that hope for us as christians, like we always have that hope that like, no matter how bad it gets, it's going to look completely lost and God is going to do something dramatic and he's going to do it through our lady and it's going to. It's it's going to be a glorious restoration.

Speaker 2: 1:16:35

And yeah, like we wonder where are the Padre Pio's of our time and stuff? But a lot of the saints are probably hidden right now. They're not on the, they're not. You know, I'd imagine a lot of the saints are just those people living out their vocation the way God intended, and maybe we can't see it right now, but I'm sure that God is forming saints right now. Oh yeah, man, do we have questions from the audience, rob? Does anybody want to ask anything before we go to another subject? Do?

Speaker 3: 1:17:08

you have a time limit father.

Speaker 3: 1:17:10

I'm kind of flexible. I've got to try and get that video on the Good Friday Prayer out tonight so some people could see it before Passion Sunday maybe, and it gives them a chance to discuss it. It's quite. It's about not genuflecting on Good Friday and the prayer for the Jews not receiving Holy Communion on Good Friday. That's really important and people don't have a clue about this. Even traditional masses say distribute communion. It's a disaster. This is the one day of the year when mass is absolutely forbidden.

Speaker 3: 1:17:39

Even on Holy Saturday you used to be able to anticipate Easter mass. You know. Good Friday, no Mass. And in the beginning I think people did receive Holy Communion. The Galatian Sacramentary indicates that, but by 1000, no.

Speaker 3: 1:17:55

St Thomas explains that through the Mass and the sacraments you are united with the Holy Sacrament of Calvary. But you understand, it's a sign of that and it's a real sign, because God's signs are real. But on Good Friday he says we remember the passion as it was actually accomplished. So you don't have the sign. Then the body and blood there's no precious blood consecrated on Good Friday. They used to in the past reserve it on the Holy Thursday as well, the blood, but because of the danger of spillage. They ceased doing that.

Speaker 3: 1:18:28

And then there's this realization okay, people shouldn't come to receive Holy Communion on Good Friday, because we're meant to be more directly in, mentally at least, connecting ourselves with the passion. And you kneel down, kiss the cross. There is your adoration and your realization of your sinfulness and jesus redeeming you. And to deny yourself that day of all days, don't say you love jesus so much you're going to receive holy communion. That's not love, that's self-centered. You know jesus needs me or I need jesus. You need the true jesus that you need to understand the passion that god died for you. And so, good friday, don't go to holy communion and you'll set an example for other people and they'll say why, and you won't be able to explain it. I try and explain it and people don't get it on. You know they say what saint thomas explained it. I think he said because that's the day it's really accomplished, um, and that's why not to genuflect in the good friday prayer for the jews. So I want to finish that video today, so that's my time anyway okay.

Speaker 2: 1:19:30

So also, uh, with the palm sunday liturgy um I I saw an interaction between you and novus ordo watch um, you were talking about genuflecting at a certain point in the liturgy um. And then I also want to ask you about, in the Novus Ordo Palm Sunday, when the whole parish says crucify him, crucify him, what, what, what was what is that? What is that about? Like cause, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't sure if I was following you completely, but you said this was this, wasn't just um, like this was this took time and, uh, with a certain point, that we genuflect, that right, that's on the good friday.

Speaker 3: 1:20:11

Okay, and that's in the video I hope to put out tonight. They'll say exactly when and why and where it came from the amici israel in 1926, asking for a genuflection to be inserted and the word perfidious to be taken out. And 1928, the church crushed it. Marco Salas was a papal theologian. He said no way.

Speaker 3: 1:20:30

Nicul essa innovandum, nothing should be changed here and it cannot be changed. It's a thousand years old, this custom of not genuflecting because we don't want to participate in the mockery of Jesus. And Don Prosper Granger explains we pray for the descendants of those who crucified Christ, no problem praying for them and their conversion, but we shrink from participating in the act whereby they mocked him. The Jews manipulated the Roman soldiers into bowing down to Jesus saying Ave hail, King of the Jews, and with the purple cloak, the crown of thorns, mocking him. That came from the Jews. That's why we don't genuflect on Goffredi. That's how the church has seen it for more than a thousand years.

Speaker 3: 1:21:08

Why the hell would, in 1955, Pius XII say we're going to insert a genuflection here. And in 1959, John XXIII, we're taking out the word perfidious, which the Amici Israel asked for formally in 1928. And then, after marco salas explained no, the holy office investigated and cardinal mary deval said absolutely not, we can't change this. This is a jewish track. The jewish are subverting the whole church through this. And pious the 11th was even stronger than the recommendation from the holy office and said not only are we going to reject this request and make the removal of the request, we have to assert it cannot be asked for again and it cannot be done. And yet, 20, 30 years later, it was done. Why?

Speaker 2: 1:21:58

Because the Holocaust.

Speaker 3: 1:22:00

Yeah, between 1928 and 1955, the Holocaust and specifically Jules Isaac going to meet with the Pope saying this is the reason the church is anti-Semitic. The church caused the atmosphere wherein the Holocaust was possible. So that's why we changed our liturgy. And if you stand for that prayer on Good Friday, you're not being disobedient. The rubrics are not for you, the rubrics are for the priest and the deacon. The deacon says flex Thomas, going to bend the knee. You do in the pew what you need to do to pray best. And what you need to pray best is to stand and say I'm not sharing the mockery of Jesus. That's it. I'm not going to judge anyone else or bully anyone else. That's why I will not kneel. And the after years, when people build up the priest will realize this. What's going on. He'll have to get the truth. The bishops have to get the truth and finally we restore the.

Speaker 2: 1:22:51

This is why what you're talking about is very important. It's because you cannot separate the Holocaust from the council, from these changes, from the liturgical changes. They are all very tightly connected. So all of the conversations that Trad's had about Vatican II and what's problematic here and the you know the, the changes in the liturgy and stuff, all of them really do stem back to the Holocaust. Like it's, there's no way to separate those things. It's something happens in reality at that. It's the same thing with paul vi taking off. The papal tiara also is connected to that event yeah, and even immigration, the destroying of sovereignty.

Speaker 3: 1:23:36

They started with germany. Germany's not fit to run itself, they lied, needs to be run by international body jews. Then we need the european union similar. Dissolve national sovereignty and then flood nations with foreigners and apparently give them voting rights so we lose this concept of foreign and of identity, so that the jews can control all. But the holocaust is jesus on the cross right, he is the holocaust and jews are literally saying that the fake holocaust of world war ii is the biggest crime in history. No, it's not. The crucifixion is the biggest crime. Yeah, that was truly a whole burnt offering, the whole of jesus consumed by death, going down to hell and conquering hell, and truly offered to God the Father, whereas with the fake one it wasn't a whole offering, because I think one, one and a half million Jews died in World War II. By no means were they all killed by the Nazis. A lot of them was the fault of the Allies, but a lot was Nazi brutality, german, german brutality, but it wasn't like a plan from hitler, um, in any case, it wasn't whole, wasn't a burn offering.

Speaker 3: 1:24:54

This crematory in auschwitz, because you have a high water table you can't bury the sick and the dead from typhus in graves because the the ditches fill up with water straight away, so they had crematoria. They're burning the bodies of people who've died in prison from illness and it's pretty horrible. If you were sent to auschwitz, they would sometimes, in 1942, I think in the middle of the year losing 500 people a day. It was a day or a month. That makes a big difference, doesn't it? Um, it was horrific, basically. So when you get off the train and the carpo say to you see those chimneys that smoke, that's the only way out of here. You're going up there.

Speaker 3: 1:25:33

I don't understand why a prisoner would make a joke like that. I understand that really you need to dark humor in a in a confined prison, but it's statistical rubbish. It's just that there was a horrific amount of death and so the story spreads that these are death camps. You're sent here to die and you're going to go up the chimney so you get to have a burnt offering. But what's that got to do with gas chambers, the burning? And then it's not offered to God? The Holocaust didn't happen and it wasn't offered to God. What did happen was engineered by Satan, where he is causing war and causing this tension, this hatred. So there was a level of brutality.

Speaker 3: 1:26:14

But the prison camps of the Germans are completely misrepresented. They have orders, you know where. If you, they're trying to give the prisoners the best possible food so that they have strong laborers for their armaments industry. And if a german soldier was to beat a prisoner without cause, he can be court martial for that. Any german soldier who raped a woman could be put in a punishment battalion or shot, like the german army. We talk about them being super disciplined and then you have all these stories about them going mad and savage with batons and torture devices and going wild. It just doesn't fit together. How did they seem to conquer Europe for a couple of years? They were militarily very switched on and disciplined. You can't do that by being a rabble of torturous savages. It's not going to work, anyway. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:27:05

All right, rob, you got a couple of questions, because I don't want to keep following you too long.

Speaker 1: 1:27:09

One was already answered, but we do have one good one here. What does Father Maudsley think of St Maximilian Kolbe? How does his story fit in? I see his name brought up a lot from Catholic Zionists.

Speaker 3: 1:27:25

It is brought up a lot and I don't understand it. So I put out videos explaining why there's no gas chambers in Auschwitz and make all the different arguments and people say, but Father, what about Maximilian Kolbe? I'm like, well, what about him? He's a saint, he led a very holy life, his awesome writings about Our Lady and then, as far as I believe, he laid down his life for another man, wonderful. What is strange is the idea of going into a bunker for 10, 12 days, a starvation bunker. I must admit that everything I've read about Auschwitz I can't reconcile that.

Speaker 3: 1:28:03

But I'm willing to believe that the church's research until there have been political, uh, canonization processes. You guys might have been talking about that recently. Yeah, we did with carlo acougas. Was this one of them? How thorough a hundred years ago the research for a saint into their life would be so well documented. You could leave the act, read the acts of the case, and it's really historically reliable. So I don't know for St Maximilian Colby how accurate those stories are, the rest of his last of his days. They're nothing to do with the gas chamber, though. That's my point, and I believe St Maximilian Colby is a holy man because of his writings and his life and I always believed the story we were given. Until now I think, hmm, maybe something doesn't add up there, but I still am willing to believe he's a saint in heaven. But the thing is his story has no bearing on gas chambers. Neither does St Edith Stein.

Speaker 3: 1:28:55

People ask about her. Oh, she was gassed in Auschwitz. She wasn't gassed in Auschwitz. How dare somebody say that? Tell me on what date was she gassed? Or where was she gassed, or with what gas was she gassed? You try and answer that about anyone and it all falls apart.

Speaker 3: 1:29:10

And you're making this most evil calumny against the Germans, diabolically evil thing to accuse them of doing. And everyone scratches their head about it. The Germans say we didn't know it was happening, we didn't know it was happening. And the Jews accuse them. Them, you know, you allowed it. And the jews then accused england and america you knew about the holocaust and you were like, and we were like, well, we didn't know. And then they accused pope pius XII oh, you knew about it in 1942 and you didn't do anything.

Speaker 3: 1:29:38

The thing is, and the jews themselves, some of them commit suicide because they can't get their head around this story of how you can gas millions of people, or gas 2 million and shoot 2 million and starve 2 million. It's impossible to understand because it never happened. It's a diabolical lie to make us all go mad and, as they say, to say God died in Auschwitz. That's the aim to kill God, to kill the idea of God in our heart, to kill god, to kill the idea of god in our heart. Because if auschwitz were true, you might possibly although I'd never go this far you might say I quit, I quit. I don't believe there's goodness in mankind, there's sense in history, especially christians. Yes, yeah, it just messes up the whole of it that I dropped out of university halfway through.

Speaker 3: 1:30:25

I was doing very well, but I thought I can't do this. Get a degree to get a job, to get a mortgage, to get a better job on the conveyor belt. I need to understand how come I'm reading about the liquidation of the kulaks or the killing fields or the Holocaust. I need to understand this and then get myself in prison in Burma because I was too scared to go to Congo, afghanistan or North Korea. Well, that's my prudence. If I went there, I would have died or fallen apart psychologically.

Speaker 3: 1:30:52

The Burmese are awesome. They're civilized people, beautiful people, so that even under an awful regime, a murderous regime, I thought there's a way of dealing with this, of dealing with each other. And after a long back then I thought there's a way of dealing with this, of dealing with each other. And after a long back then I thought the answer was I'm looking for the answer to evil and instead, thanks be to God, jesus Christ turns myself from hell to heaven. And I thought for a long time that's the answer to evil. Jesus is the truth. Don't worry about evil, deal with him. And then evil makes, makes it just easy to overcome. And now I'm thinking no, the evil is the lie of the Holocaust which is sending people nuts.

Speaker 2: 1:31:33

Especially the German people Like you see what Germany is like, and those people are just in ang have to their. Their penance for this atrocity is they have to support the state of israel, no matter what. And you, just you see a people who have just I mean, you think it's hard for us to have this conversation. They can't even legally have it.

Speaker 3: 1:31:59

It really is a crazy situation yeah, the politicians are the worst, like you have one saying it's true that um, israelis have raped palestinians and that hamas have raped israelis, although I I don't know of cases of hamas doing it. I can believe it, of course, but I don't think it's a general thing with hamas. They're not into rape, they they. They have a purpose. But this german politician is saying when the israeli does it, it's more humane. What you rape someone or rape them in war right now, it's bestial, it's evil. You don't say the israelis do it in a more, it's more humane.

Speaker 3: 1:32:43

Just because she can't criticize Jews, she's a German, she's media figure or politician. She cannot publicly criticize the Jews and end up saying something that crazy. Like they are the, the German people are fine. You know, I've lived there 10 years. I was born in Germany. Funnily enough, um, I don't remember it, but then for seminary was in germany and then I was in cologne as a priest. So I'm german's just normal people. Yeah, politically though, that country is broken yeah, oh man, um, so do um.

Speaker 2: 1:33:23

How about a couple of uh okay, besides the pre 55 Holy week, do you have uh, uh, any other traditional devotions you would recommend the lady um do?

Speaker 3: 1:33:34

Well, I'd always say first five Saturdays with devotions Um, that's just the business, we absolutely have to do it. And then there's so much good comes out of it you get, because there's a lot of Catholics who either don't pray the rosary or don't know how, or don't have rosary beads right, or they've not been to confession for so long. Simply by doing the first five devotions, you're getting into the routine of mental prayer, with the 15-minute meditation, of vocal prayer, with your rosary, of the sacraments because you go into confession and then to receive Holy Communion, which you have in the right order and then of understanding. You're doing this in reparation for the sins against the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which is a very strange line to non-practicing Catholics or non non-catholics. It's a very bizarre concept.

Speaker 3: 1:34:26

So you, we need to understand what is reality really about it? You know, all we were distracted with, like our lady's immaculate heart, is this phenomenal reality, second only to the sacred heart, and it's very real to all of us now that Our Lady loves us as a mother. How are we treating her heart? And just to meditate on that once a month, it means you learn to do these practices, learn to face the bigger realities. That thought alone it should change your whole life, right, how you live. And so first and people say, what's the first five saturdays? Look it up, go to the website, just google it, and the first couple of websites might be weak. Do what you can and then you'll find a stronger one and you'll talk to other people who are doing it because you meet them at church, whatever and then you learn more. So, pre-55 holy week and, please god, all the whole pre-55 missile, it's awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:35:34

First, back saturdays um, what you had said, um, something. Sunday, oh sunday vespers. You had said something.

Speaker 2: 1:35:45

I think I was in a conversation with somebody on Twitter about something and they accused me of being afraid to talk about the topic and you said you had shown a gentleness about and you showed just an empathy towards people who are afraid to speak about this topic.

Speaker 2: 1:36:07

It's like it is a very scary thing to talk about because, especially if you have children and you're worried about providing an income for your family and stuff, and you would just like just be patient with people who are at least coming to start to think about this stuff and just like cause I see it a lot in, especially online, where we're very harsh with people who don't see things the way we do.

Speaker 2: 1:36:36

You know what it was like. It's like even especially when Rob and I were supposed to give a talk in North Carolina and we had this lunatic coming after us accusing us of anti-Semitism and all this stuff, and at first I was like, oh, I don't want to be accused of this, and then I kind of just got to a point where I'm like I don't care what this guy says about me, but it is a slow thing to come around to and there's a hesitancy to speak about it publicly. Rob does have a job that he has to be concerned with. We do have families we have to be concerned with. So I think, just in general, be patient with people as they're coming around to this conversation and realize the theological significance of it and not always just about the hyperbolic language around it is an important thing.

Speaker 3: 1:37:21

Yeah, I was it shemai, or son of shemai, throwing stones at david as he was leaving jerusalem. And david's men say, should we kill this dog who's insulting you and throwing stones at you? And david says no, no, you know, maybe I deserve it for whatever reason. So the insults we get are like those stones and, um, it is right sometimes to correct them. St Paul says if it's going to be a scandal, then correct the record, but otherwise let the insults be thrown.

Speaker 3: 1:37:51

I think what people can do if they're not ready to assert too much about the whole World War II story and the Nazis stop supporting the false narrative by citing Hitler as the icon of evil. There's the devil and the Antichrist, the total evil, nobody else. And there's so much rubbish talk about Hitler. If you try and say one good thing about him, like he didn't want war or he sought peace with England, people then want to say you're a Nazi. You're a Nazi, but okay, what were the Nazis? Just because I want to take an objective look at them doesn't mean I want to say you're a nazi. You're a nazi, but okay, what were the nazis I'm? Just because I want to take an objective look at them doesn't mean I want to sign up to that party. I'm not interested, I'm not that into politics. But people support the narrative by citing hitler or the nazis as your examples of evil, and that's so wrong he's replaced the devil where it's.

Speaker 2: 1:38:45

You know when you want to say somebody is evil, he's the next hitler, he's the next hitler. I mean, you saw what.

Speaker 3: 1:38:53

That's how they attacked saddam hussein he's the next hitler and gaddafi, and now they do to putin and for assad in syria. They call them an asset of denial. They call the hitler of the Nile back in the 1950s. Every time they label them Hitler, and every single one of us out there that uses Hitler as a byword for evil. You are playing into their narrative to justify their preemptive wars. We've got to stop, and we've got to stop accusing people who want to take an objective look as if they're some kind of fanatic politically, or the idea is that if you will say anything objective or positive, like Hitler, therefore, you approve genocide and you want to kill all the Jews. This is so retarded. You wouldn't say that about anybody else. If you want to examine Alexander the Great or Napoleon, I reckon if I read five books on Napoleon, I could probably find something good to say about him. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1: 1:39:49

Over the last 50 years, all the scholarship on Genghis Khan has been positive. Right, he created this trading system and there was communication between East and West and it's like, yeah, but he also made mountains of skulls. So if we can talk objectively about Genghis Khan, why can we not do so about Adolf Hitler?

Speaker 3: 1:40:12

And the leap from hearing someone mention his name not in a complete condemnation, and to think therefore they want to commit genocide against the Jews. There's no connection.

Speaker 2: 1:40:25

This is psychological trauma that has been given to us over the past decade.

Speaker 3: 1:40:29

It's psychological warfare. Yeah, dagobah Runes wrote a book in, I think, the 70s or 80s where he said the way Christians have treated the Jews, antisemitism is a sin against the Holy Ghost. So that's like the thing They've made Hitler into the devil incarnate. They have such a high opinion of themselves that they think their enemy is the devil, yeah, and that they think to be hostile to them is a sin against the Holy Ghost yeah. And that's a Jew saying that they just didn't believe in the Holy Ghost.

Speaker 2: 1:41:04

And that's a Jew saying that they just didn't believe in the Holy Ghost. I know they weaponized our beliefs against us. I mean, you saw it with Daryl Cooper. Daryl Cooper went on Tucker and he's like I think what was it? He said Chamberlain, no, no, no, not Chamberlain. He said Churchill was the chief villain of World War II and everybody lost their money.

Speaker 3: 1:41:26

He's a Nazi. He sold out to the Jews and got so many British people killed and wrecked our country, just to please the Jews and for his own personal reasons, to have power. That's worse than anything Hitler did as a leader of a nation. What did Hitler do as a leader? What's the job of a leader is to put their nation first. Leader of a nation. What did hitler do as a leader? What's the job of a leader is to put their nation first. America first, england first, russia first, whatever, iran first. Um, so that's what hitler did. And he pulled his country out of this trap that world jury had laid on it. And he phenomenal in what he did with the expulsion of the jews.

Speaker 3: 1:42:03

I don't believe expulsion is a good idea. I think it backfires for loads of reasons. You're postponing the problem, relocating it. It's going to come and hit everyone at the end of time. The Jews don't forget. They want revenge and they get it from anywhere. You know that's what happened to Spain. They expelled the Jews. Boy oh boy, those Jews that went to Holland and England got their revenge on Spain, even to today.

Speaker 3: 1:42:26

So with Germany in 1943, they stopped sending Jews out to Soviet territories, so much they realized this isn't working. They're supporting either partisans there or getting intelligence there. It's not working and the wars tend against us. Any moment the Soviets are going to start advancing. Then they start bringing the Jews back west. As the Soviets are advancing, it's like well, you shouldn't have sent any of them anywhere in the first place. That's not why Jews are in your country, so you can expel them. There's been a thousand expulsions in history I'll put that up in the video tonight and there've been some good Catholics involved in those decrees and trying to do it in a humane manner, a legal, ordered manner. I think back in the day it made more sense. You're just looking after your locality. Now we're globalized, it doesn't make sense anymore. And especially not to send them to Israel. That's a disaster. That's the death of the world.

Speaker 2: 1:43:22

Yeah, they see it as the fulfillment of prophecy.

Speaker 3: 1:43:25

Yeah, but but if the reason you have Jews in your country is so that you become saints, so that you protect this community that wants to overturn you and destroy you and you fall for none of that seductions with consumerism, business banking or usury, and you're loving your enemy, basically which? If you send the Jews out, I think you'll still have financial sin, sexual sin, you'll still have war mongers, but it's not going to come to that apocalyptic level where God does want to confront us all with the absolute choice between Christ or not Christ. So if you can accommodate the Jews without having them harmed or hurt by anyone, without letting them harm your culture or Christendom, by not letting them have any influence in universities or banks or the media or government, you have to be really switched on as a people.

Speaker 2: 1:44:32

Yeah, I think we're beyond that. I think we're beyond that being possible in modernity.

Speaker 3: 1:44:38

Just in the expulsion. There's no answer. It's not going to work. So St Benedict de Laveau wrote this back in the 1100s Don't expel the Jews. Read Psalm 58. Don't slay them, don't say them and don't even expel them. It's not going to work. We've got to reconcile with our brothers. Expulsion isn't going to help, and not a naive reconciliation where you've got your arms open all the time because they will stab you in the belly. So, like jacob went away for 20 years, let esau calm down for losing the birthright. That's how mad the jews are about losing the covenant and, yeah, having it yeah, they have really.

Speaker 2: 1:45:12

Look, we, we, we received the covenant from god. I mean, it is the story of cain and abel god accepts our sacrifice and rejects theirs. I mean, that is the story of Cain and Abel. It's like, and it really, yeah, it's just God has been telling us this from the beginning.

Speaker 3: 1:45:35

Cain was the first man to be born. Abel was the first man to die. It's also the longest to wait to get into heaven, because he would have stopped there when jesus opened heaven. On the resurrection, anyone who died, okay, unless unless there's someone else who died shortly after abel, who won't get into heaven until the last day, they'll have had a longer wait. Um, but to go back then, to adam and Jesus, the first Adam and the new Adam, as this idea of the younger and elder brother, where Adam sinned against God, he's rebelled against the Son of God. Then Jesus comes. We said at the beginning Rob, you said they die on the same day, 25th March, in the same place, on Calvary, I'd say, or the center of the garden where the tree is the tree of life. Adam sin was taking the fruit. Jesus gives the fruit. His body is the fruit of the tree of the cross and Jesus quotes Adam. Did I say all this at the beginning?

Speaker 2: 1:46:36

No, this was in the green room Talk about this now. This was in the green room before the show.

Speaker 3: 1:46:41

He quotes Adam on marriage. Moses allows divorce, they said. And Jesus said in the beginning it was not so, but a man shall leave his mother and father and shall join to his wife and the two shall be one flesh. So he's giving the true teaching on marriage when the Pharisees have bent what Moses allowed because they were giving him a hard time then about it, as they have ever since, to get divorce and everything like gay marriage and everything else.

Speaker 3: 1:47:11

Um so jesus is approvingly quoting from adam, who said those words, and giving the true teaching of creation, the natural law, as being more prior and fundamental than any law that's come from a man's mouth. But and then the divine law that god put it there is more than the dispensations or whatever dispenses you get in from the law of moses, whatever. Um so, and then jesus's blood trickles down, reaches adam's bones or skull. Perhaps golgotha means and, and adam is then able to enter heaven after easter sunday. So j Jesus does this for his elder brother who sinned against him, had the enmity against the truth of Christ, even without knowing Christ directly, and that's from the first person created, adam, and God takes the role of the younger brother and in all those pairs of brothers. Through the Torah there's so many pairs with the younger, even with Ephraim and Manasseh and the blessing with Jake with his hands crossed and Zara and Therese with coming out the womb and sticking out a hand and everything. It's this younger brother.

Speaker 2: 1:48:19

The entire old Testament is the story of the birthright being passed to the second born. It's littered throughout the Old Testament.

Speaker 3: 1:48:31

It's definitely the whole Torah and it won't be absent from the prophets and writings. But there's all the Torah, that's all about. One anomaly is you literally get this all through it. But with Noah and his sons it's Genesis 6 to 9, or it's very hard to work out who's the eldest of Noah's three sons, shem, maham and Japheth. And if you Google it or ask Grok, they all tell you the rabbis say this that Shem was the eldest. No, no, japheth was the eldest, um, and then they'll say shem, and then ham, I think. And they even. But saint jerome said differently, and even grock was telling me oh, but saint jerome translated the sceptre getting this way, they've all getting this way. So he agrees with the rabbis.

Speaker 3: 1:49:21

But I remember reading he was he did not agree with the rabbis. But it's impossible. I think I've never managed to get to the bottom of who's the eldest, who's the youngest there, but I'm sure it's going to fit into this pattern of the younger brother, yeah, which, and the, the resentment against the nations who are represented by japheth, um, that they should inherit um. But note that japheth and Shem cooperated in covering up Noah. So we do have this cooperation of the Semites with the nations of the world for the dignity of their father, like you get from Isaac and Ishmael and you get from Jacob and Esau and you get from Joseph and all his brothers taking their father's bones. Um, yeah, it's, it's awesome, and so we remember what Jesus did for Adam. It's such a happy thought, like, and we're going to know all about it in the next two weeks, again liturgically.

Speaker 3: 1:50:20

We we need to go armed with that into this confrontation that's happening now with the Jews and accusations of anti-Semitism. And there's a whole lot of wet Catholics who are afraid to be called anti-Semitic and they're pushing the Jewish propaganda. There are some who are falling away, perhaps into taking on the Jewish enmity. They want to hurt, they want to kill, they want revenge. Total mistake. But see how Christ handles it and don't think there's a wimps option. It's not about being a doormat, it's not about being silent and letting evil have its day, but you need to be ready to give your life and anything else, anything. Your reputation is the next.

Speaker 2: 1:51:00

I think that's the first one. I think we all have to be prepared for your reputation. I think that's going to be a big one. You have to just be willing to be mocked like Christ was. You're going to be mocked and you're going to be ridiculed. But if you want to speak about something, that's true. I don't know any other way around it. Father, this was amazing. Yeah, I think I'm looking forward to your video tonight, so I hope you do get that out in time. And for everybody that got to sit in on this conversation I think everybody benefited from it, because there's no.

Speaker 2: 1:51:46

You're going to be speaking with Catholic Unscripted soon, and Catherine and I speak a lot and she's like I just see nothing but love coming from this man. So I don't understand why people are so upset by the things he's saying. He's saying everything so gently. He's just going through stuff logically and trying to present it in a way. So I'm looking forward to that conversation too, when you speak with them. But thank you very much. Yeah, thank you very much for coming on. If you ever want to come on again, I'm sure we will figure something out soon again also.

Speaker 3: 1:52:17

Well, I really enjoyed it and I appreciate it. It's just a really good atmosphere talking here that you can just talk and have a sensible exchange. We're trying to figure things out. That's awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:52:29

Thank you, father, everybody. We will see you guys on Tuesday night. I don't even know what we're doing Tuesday, but thank you everybody for joining us. Rob and I will figure out how we're going to release stuff, but Father may release this whole thing on however he wants. We told him whatever he wants to do. That we're just. I don't know. I don't know what we're going to do. Maybe we'll. We'll see if we can release it and we'll figure things out. But thank you so much, father.

Speaker 3: 1:52:52

All right Blessed passion.

Speaker 1: 1:53:00

God bless, thank you.