Mentally Unstable Trads?

This episode draws listeners into a lively discussion about Pope Francis's critique of fashion among conservative clergy and its implications for faith and authority in the Church. As we explore the fine line between tradition and modernity, we also engage with Jordan Peterson's insights on suffering and self-sacrifice, revealing the complexities of belief and identity in contemporary Catholicism.

• Pope Francis critiques ostentatious dress among clergy 
• Discussion on fashion reflecting internal struggles of faith 
• Relations between modernity, tradition, and identity politics 
• Engaging dialogue on ecumenism and inclusivity in the Church 
• Highlights from Jordan Peterson’s views on faith and suffering 
• The importance of authenticity and maintaining spiritual integrity 
• Encouragement for honest dialogue about belief and community

Chapters

• 0:02 Pope Critiques Traditional Dress and Mindset
• 10:07 Debating Ecumenism and Salvation
• 24:11 Debunking Misconceptions of the Crusades
• 38:04 Discussing Fasting and Catholic Practices
• 48:34 Men's Conference Drama and Cancelation
• 53:55 Navigating Conference Drama and Cancelations
• 1:02:43 Dissecting Beliefs on Jesus as God
• 1:07:51 The Meaning of the Cross
• 1:19:18 Work, Faith, and Contentment
• 1:24:02 Confronting Aversion to God's Will
• 1:33:43 Facing Judgment and Building Treasure
• 1:40:12 Exploring Catholic Doctrine and Theological Discussions

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

SANTE, sante AMARE MORTINE, cradas NOS. In TEIS VERA VERUM is who made that?

Speaker 5: 0:56

I don't know, but I know who made me play that the great man made that Sorry everyone.

Speaker 4: 1:00

I know who sent it to us this one.

Speaker 3: 1:03

Oh, it was Sean. I think Sean made it. I think Sean made it.

Speaker 5: 1:07

I think Sean made it.

Speaker 3: 1:09

I think Sean made that Likele.

Speaker 4: 1:10

Mofton.

Speaker 3: 1:10

Likele Mofton. Somebody said Likele Mofton, All right. So all right, Everybody, please hit like and subscribe. We've been killing it in the algorithm the past couple weeks, man. I mean for us.

Speaker 6: 1:35

It's not like Taylor Marshall views or anything, but that's me.

Speaker 5: 1:40

I really wish this was like the real Lofton. He just had a sense of humor at the end of the day and he decided to watch our stream.

Speaker 4: 1:47

If it really was him that'd be. You know, we could be friends.

Speaker 3: 1:50

So yeah, I reached out to voice of reason.

Speaker 4: 1:55

Why.

Speaker 3: 1:56

Because I want to do a voice of reason versus voice of reason debate with Ryan.

Speaker 4: 2:02

Okay, but if I wanted that much a Sylvester Stallone, I would just watch Rocky.

Speaker 2: 2:07

Well the thing is, I'm going to have them debate the best.

Speaker 3: 2:14

Rocky movie Voice of reason. Debate, voice of reason about what the best Rocky movie is. Because Ryan doesn't want to debate theology with him Like he just wants to do a funny bit. It'll be a 10-minute bit, we'll do it, I think it'll be fun that would be funny. Honestly, I think Rocky 3 is probably the best one. No, rocky 3 is terrible. Obviously, I was just trying to go for a joke 4 is pretty good.

Speaker 3: 2:41

What is Honestly all of them are pretty good. She doesn't want it, doesn't want voice of reason on um all right. So I all right. I was brought in by the misogyny against the faith of the racism against eastern catholics um the best kind of racism we'll do. We'll do. Uh, we'll do a. Uh, we'll do a. Locals update for our favorite leftist, just because we got to keep making sure he pays for his local subscription. We have to make sure he keeps paying his local subscription.

Speaker 4: 3:13

We might actually have to completely redo the way we do all these videos.

Speaker 3: 3:21

You think he's?

Speaker 5: 3:22

stealing it? He might honestly him.

Speaker 4: 3:29

You think he's stealing it? He might honestly. I mean clearly, he's just taking it from the podcast or spirit deuce, where he posts the whole things for free. You know.

Speaker 3: 3:33

Don't tell him that I want to make sure he pays. Why are you telling him that the cheat code pay us to slander us all right. So I gotta. I gotta, follow back from michael knowles and I'm wondering, if I don't know if it, I don't know if it was our the, the james white drama, or if it was rob giving him a d minus on his apologetics against charlie kirk. It has to be d minus.

Speaker 5: 4:02

It has to be James White, because that clip of him just preaching from the pulpit against Anthony is legendary.

Speaker 3: 4:10

Yeah, it went viral. It has over a million views on my Twitter, but yeah, so I got the follow back from Knowles. So it's going to be baby steps and hopefully, slowly we'll reel them in and I might have to have Tim Gordon or Matt frat like put in a good word and tell him yeah, you can go on with these guys. Yeah, you know you gotta have people reach out to him, so we'll hope for that too.

Speaker 4: 4:36

Also, rob, I'm sure Matt is. I'm sure Matt's going to. Oh, don't worry.

Speaker 2: 4:46

He's only called me a douchebag once or twice. Not wrong, also, we're gonna get some new.

Speaker 3: 4:52

We're gonna get some new shirts in the merch store. Rob's gonna make, uh, an honorary calvin robinson based.

Speaker 4: 4:57

The maryville shirt I was gonna ask him do you think he'd care if I put like his silhouette his silhouette with the big fro on it. That'd be awesome. I feel like we have to throw him some.

Speaker 3: 5:09

I think he would be honored. To be honest, I don't think, I don't think he would be mad. I think he would be honored.

Speaker 5: 5:14

I feel like you also need to do something with James White. Like, have James White like shrieking, and then it says, like Mary, why didn't you pray for me or something? I don't know what we?

Speaker 4: 5:23

do is. You know those tuxedo t-shirts we'll make one just with his weird little seashell like pictorial cross on it yeah, honestly.

Speaker 5: 5:34

And then him just saying like anathema, sit Anthony, or something that'd be hilarious.

Speaker 3: 5:39

I or I also want to do like a Mel Gibson shirt that says Buddha didn't do that ish. You know I want to do something with Mel Gibson. I don't know if you could use Mel Gibson's likeness, but like Buddha didn't do that, ish, something like that I don't know We'll use Buddha's likeness.

Speaker 4: 5:58

You use Buddha's likeness, that's true.

Speaker 3: 5:59

That is clever. Is tomorrow St Anthony the Abbott. He's your patron saint. Yeah, I know, I thought it was in February, I guess not.

Speaker 5: 6:13

Let's see here pull up the calendar. It is.

Speaker 3: 6:20

It's tomorrow, I thought it was February.

Speaker 5: 6:22

St Anthony the Abbott. It is Okay so let's get to the.

Speaker 3: 6:27

Let's not bury the lead too long. We did, what did we do? Like six minutes without talking about the story.

Speaker 4: 6:33

All right, so we started with the lead in the funny video.

Speaker 3: 6:38

So let's see Pope critiques rigid dress. All right, I'm going to send this to the thing because I forgot to send it. And let's see Pope critiques rigid dress. All right, I'm going to send this to the things, I forgot to send it. And then we have for other stuff in the show.

Speaker 3: 6:48

We have a Jordan Peterson clip that everybody's watching today where Jordan says Jesus is God, but then he says a bunch of gibberish after and a lot of people are criticizing the gibberish he says after, but I kind of think he's on point a little bit and everybody else is saying this is voodoo. And then we have a Michael Knowles clip that we're going to hope he sees this one, because this one he destroyed somebody on the on the Piers Morgan show talking about the Crusades. It is phenomenal. You guys have to see what he does on this thing. So OK. So Pope critiques rigid dress and mentality of conservative prelates. This is in the catholic herald is not life site. So the pope has taken conservative bishops and cardinals to task for the way they dress. Suggesting their adherence to ostentatious styles reveals a rigidity of mind that in some cases may even reach a level of mental instability and emotional deviation.

Speaker 4: 7:45

Excuse me, hey Nick, what does? What does Trent say about criticizing things like dress and vestments and such Pretty?

Speaker 5: 7:55

sure yeah.

Speaker 4: 7:57

Isn't it? Yeah, I was about to say I think my Trent horn no the council of Trent does not like the whole uh trends basic.

Speaker 5: 8:06

The council of trent is, you know, like let's just ratchet it up to 11.

Speaker 4: 8:10

Um, the dress and the pomp and circumstances, all the good stuff I think it says something like uh, if you claim, like the outward signs, like vestments and such, oh yeah, aren't uhiety Exactly.

Speaker 5: 8:24

Let them be anathema.

Speaker 4: 8:25

Let them be anathema Exactly.

Speaker 3: 8:30

Anyways. Okay, so suggesting their adherence? Oh, we read that. So the Pope made his criticism of the sartorial preferences of traditional leaning prelates who have at times opposed his more liberal efforts at reform in the church in his autobiography entitled hope, which was published on the 14th of january. Uh, if anyone say it that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs which the catholic church makes use of in the celebration of masses are incentives to impiety rather than offices of piety, let him be, anathema. Yeah exactly, and it's talking about the dreamy mass.

Speaker 3: 9:06

Of course, yeah, okay, their rigidity, he writes, is often accompanied by elegant and costly tailoring, lace, fancy, trimmings, rochers, and which he described as amounting to clerical ostentation. Rip Pope Francis, golly the Pope then adds these ways of dressing up sometimes conceal mental imbalance, emotional deviation, behavioral difficulties, a personal problem that may be exploited. So all right.

Speaker 5: 9:35

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt Not only not a theologian, but now a psychiatrist. It's wonderful.

Speaker 4: 9:42

A personal problem that might be exploited you mean, like the financial and sexual deviancy of a ton of the prelates that Francis defends Just for those personal problems.

Speaker 5: 9:53

If anyone watches my channel, they will know that 94% of Catholics think Christ is created and 64% that think Christ is not the son of God. And yet we have a Pope who's worried about lace.

Speaker 3: 10:07

I saw somebody put a poll up today that said if a, if a Protestant is aware of what the Catholic church teaches, still rejects the church, can they be saved?

Speaker 4: 10:19

20% said yes.

Speaker 3: 10:21

And then 30% said I don't know.

Speaker 4: 10:24

Oh yeah, so that's half.

Speaker 3: 10:25

That's half half. The people are rejecting a dogma of the faith. It's like that doesn't fall under invincible ignorance at that point.

Speaker 5: 10:35

No, there's literally no way.

Speaker 4: 10:36

If you know what the church teaches, then that's visible this is the only people that are probably invincibly ignorant are on North Sentinel Island, off the coast of India.

Speaker 3: 10:47

Yeah, it's like invincible ignorance is for that noble savage that's never heard the gospel, who is living life according to the virtues, trying to do good from the natural law written on his heart, because God's law is written on all of our hearts. This is for the person who's never heard the gospel and they're doing their best to live out what they know of God in their heart. That's what invincible ignorance is for. It's not for the Protestant who knows what the church teaches, rejects it, mocks Mary, things like that. Like that's not what invincible ignorance is for.

Speaker 5: 11:29

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 11:30

I do think there is getting to be more and more invincible ignorance. You know what I mean.

Speaker 5: 11:38

Even then I don't think it would cut it though for him, because I mean, the one thing is when people go and read about like what is invincible ignorance? Like we can have an invincible ignorance about details of the catholic faith and god's not going to hold us accountable for not knowing all the ins and outs of the catholic faith, right, if we don't have that opportunity. But the church is clear that faith is necessary for salvation and they specifically say that you have to believe in God and you have to believe that he will come again to judge the living and the dead. It's proximate to faith that you have to believe in the incarnation, the Trinity, the redemption, etc. I say all of this because when you think about this in context also with like you have to die in a state of grace, how many people do you know who are like keeping the natural law without baptism?

Speaker 4: 12:29

Well like, like that's how many, how many well-catechized Catholics keep the natural law?

Speaker 3: 12:35

Well, I want to ask this how? What about Catholics in our current era who have been raised under a hierarchy where the Catholic faith is watered down, like modernists, the dogma of the faith, because it's so muddled, the current teaching, that they don't even know that the church teaches no salvation outside the church?

Speaker 4: 13:12

Yeah, if they legitimately don't what happens when the church itself seems to be teaching them. Seems to be teaching. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 13:19

That ecumenism is like the highest order.

Speaker 4: 13:23

That's what I'm asking.

Speaker 3: 13:24

Okay, so forget the problem I'm more concerned with the catholic who's under the current magisterium, learning very muddled teachings.

Speaker 5: 13:33

Yeah, I would, I would say maybe maybe, maybe they're not going to be damned for that, like not holding no salvation outside the church because of ignorance. But I think that more likely, if you're in a situation where you don't even know that teaching, then your moral life is going to be atrocious and you're probably going to go to hell based off your fights. Yeah, that's, that's the thing. So it's like when we talk about invincible ignorance, the church is speaking very hypothetically, but we have to also get back down into the real world where it's like how many people legitimately are like in in modern 2024? What percentage of people out there have not been exposed to pornography and taken delight in one impure thought? One impure thoughts enough to damn a soul to hell, I mean.

Speaker 4: 14:13

So that's why I'm saying like it's just, it's insane to me to think there really is no, no real invincible ignorance with with that, because, like the natural law is written on on the human heart, so exactly so people wait.

Speaker 3: 14:27

One one impure thought can damn you to hell, but not if you feel bad for that. Like not, if you'd have, you'd have to have perfect and yeah, you'd have to have perfect contrition for it.

Speaker 5: 14:37

But that's the thing. The saints say that perfect contrition is more so an act of like a more matured state of life, a more matured state of spiritual life. So could it happen? Could God give him that grace, of course, but he can't rely on that. And perfect contrition for the catechized Catholic is tied in with you. Have the intention to go to confession? That's the thing. And so I'm saying, like the person out in the middle of the Andes or whatever, they get starling for the the first time, like we've talked about in some of these reports, and the whole society collapses within a week because they find pornography. It's just like it ain't good.

Speaker 3: 15:11

I think I just when you get, when it comes to that topic, man, I really think like I, especially the people who think that once saved, always saved and they could just continue on looking at that filth. It is so evil, like if your mind is corroded by that sin and you're looking at that filth like I don't know. It affects every facet of your life. When you're looking at that, it makes you treat people differently, it makes you see the world differently.

Speaker 5: 15:44

It's horrific it's so evil that that's. That's why I just don't think that, like most people are going to heaven. I think it's very very making it to heaven, yeah I was looking for adrian.

Speaker 3: 15:55

No, this is my friend adrian conway. He's awake. Look at that. He's in, uh, manchester. So it's like 2 am over there right now. I texted him because I wanted him to send me something.

Speaker 3: 16:08

Okay so, nick, this was after our father calvin interview. Um, uh, okay, um so calvin. Okay, so calvin robinson came on and I didn't want it to be a debate about ecclesiology. So I I just didn't want to have that debate. I wanted it to just be about the thing that we triggered James White with, and I figured I'd ask him how his experience in America has been. Let's talk about some of the things we agree on. I didn't want to start calling him out for him being out like not being Roman Catholic. I just didn't feel like doing that. So my friend Adrian one of his friends who attends the SSPX said annoyingly I don't have the quote at hand In this video it is exactly what the church fathers and saints warn about in relation to some heretics, namely that they may claim to agree with 99% of orthodoxy, but then they will propagate a falsehood concealed in their doctrine with it, making it much worse than it is when it is hidden amongst the truth.

Speaker 3: 17:08

Calvin attempts here to resurrect the branch theory, namely that Anglicans and Orthodox are different branches of the church, whilst also denigrating Roman Catholicism continually, as if it's merely one of the many forms of Catholicism for which he has a definition even broader than the modernists. I don't think it's the obvious falsehoods expounded as part of the controlled demolition going on in the Novus Ordo church that are as much of a danger to a more traditionally minded Catholic as much as it's the antithetical side of the dialectic that Calvin represents, that's trying to restructure a based ecumenical unity. That's the danger. So, in an open letter to Confused Catholics, archbishop Lefebvre describes ecumenism as a tendency especially dangerous to the faith, the more so because it masquerades as charity. Wow, it's very true. So this is I mean, this is getting into what we were just talking about, right. So all right of ecumenism masquerades as charity.

Speaker 3: 18:08

We cannot unite truth and error so as to form one thing, except by adopting the error and rejecting all or part of the truth. Ecumenism is self-condemnatory. Um similarly, in 1928, encyclicalical Mortallium Animos, pope Pius XI writes of the budding ecumenical movement of his time and warns Catholics not to be deceived by the outward appearance of good, since beneath these enticing words and blandishments lies hid a most grave error, given that unity is a mark of the church, since the church is one, holy, catholic and apostolic. The error lay in the claim that the unity only existed in apostolic times, to be later replaced by distinct churches and communities divided by differences of opinion, which should now be put aside and, from the remaining doctrines, a common form of faith drawn up and proposed for. Can you so this stuff was boiling up in Pius XI's time.

Speaker 5: 19:04

Yeah, 19. I literally read this encyclical today.

Speaker 3: 19:08

And he was. He was writing about this. Thank God I didn't read that before the Calvin interview because I would have not been able to do the Calvin now. Yeah, no, but there's so much. Look, the thing is all right. So when is it okay? It's not like I was. It was clearly mentally unstable, right, but it's not like I'm attending a prayer service of Calvin Robinson. Like we're talking about things going on in the culture. He was canceled from a conference where he was going to speak at this ecumenical thing and he saw how the ecumenical movement doesn't work. So what can we do with non-Catholics in this Argue? No, there's got to be more than that, especially in a secular culture. Like there has to be room for us to unite around secular problems. Right, like you could join with Protestants around the pro-life issue to save lives. Like where does our unity end, nick?

Speaker 5: 20:06

Yeah, no, it's a good question, kennedy. He was in the chat, kennedy Hall. He wisely said in the last episode that I was on with him that to be an Orthodox Catholic quote unquote in the modern church you just have to be pro-life right and go to mass on Sunday. It's so true. Our Catholic sensibilities have weakened so much. Two things before I answer your question. One everyone go and read the encyclical Mortali Animus by Pius XI, particularly paragraph number seven. If you just have to read one paragraph in that, go and read paragraph number seven. It's a longer paragraph but it's very good. Pius XI is addressing in 1928, the ecumenical movement that was already having full steam ahead, and the catholic church condemned it and said the only ecumenism we are interested in is the ecumenism of return, meaning all you protestants, orthodox, you have to come back to rome, you have to submit to the roman church that's the only movement ended in the lambeth conference, exactly which a lot of protestants allowed uh, contraception exactly, and the problem is is that?

Speaker 3: 21:14

humanism, but it's pronounced proselytized, but that's what I always thought of. Humanism was I always thought of humanism, even like I was so naive because I always thought it was the attempt to have conversations with protestants to explain to them it's not that anymore the the truths of, of the of the catholic faith, in a way where it's like, okay, maybe we're having a difference of, uh, nominalism here, like maybe we're saying the same thing but in a different way. Maybe we could figure out how this is being worded. So you understand our perspective, but with the ultimate goal of bringing them into communion with the Catholic Church, without compromising our doctrine. That was my naive understanding of ecumenism Exactly.

Speaker 5: 21:56

You have the traditional mind of what ecumenism is. The Vatican II ecumenism is not interested in that at all. Vatican II ecumenism calls these false groups Christians, which is condemned by Pius XII. They say that we should join in prayers with them, which is explicitly condemned by Mortalianimus, by Pius XI. This is literally a sin against the first commandment, the virtue of faith. I taught this to my students last night of all places, that going to non-Catholic services and actively participating in them is a sin against the first commandment. This is true, and, archbishop Lefebvre, he's completely correct on everything he said in that.

Speaker 5: 22:31

To answer your question, though, we can, of course, rightly condemn grave immorality in civil society. Anybody can An atheist, a Muslim, a Catholic. We can all join arms and say this is wrong. But I will say this you have to be prudent, because if anything you do gives scandal and makes people think that everything is okay, it doesn't work. So this is why, yeah and I agree with you, kenny, right here. This is a good point this is why the pro-life movement has always been a Trojan horse for a greater sin, a sin greater than abortion, excuse me, I agree, I agree, and so, therefore, that's why people— I'm going to a rosary rally in an hour for reparation for a pride event being hosted by a Catholic church, please pray a Hail Mary for us, absolutely.

Speaker 3: 23:18

So wait then. What does Nick think about attending the Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter?

Speaker 5: 23:24

I'm honestly— so I've been to a few of them I'm honestly not a fan, and that will make people mad. I'm not a fan mainly because, really two reasons, briefly one the Ordinariate is essentially just Anglicans coming back into union with Rome, which in and of itself is good. They want to keep some of their Anglican customs, which, okay, one can dispute about that. But really at the end of the day they accept all of the modern errors, especially ecumenism. They're highly ecumenical, and then second their missile, while it's more reverent than the new mass, again like that, saying much is also very much so like the new mass in the sense that it gives the priest options on what to say. He can say the traditional offertory, he can say the new mass offertory, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm not not a huge fan.

Speaker 3: 24:11

Okay, Uh so okay, check out this mentally unstable quote. You will more easily recall a hundred men from error than one woman.

Speaker 3: 24:20

Oh, I mean in all honesty I I everything that everything that my, my liberal, um, my liberal, uh, stalker has been criticizing me for we're addressing in this show. It's like a humanism misogyny, the beginning of this show opening with uhin. Okay, let's go with this one. What do Orthodox Catholics and traditional old Catholics like Father Calvin gain by coming into communion with the Roman Church today? Do they come into communion with the SSB Gain salvation. The thing is—.

Speaker 5: 24:58

And people need to realize that coming into communion with Rome does not mean coming into and checking off the box and agreeing with everything that Pope Francis says. When we say coming into communion with Rome, we mean coming into alignment with all of the dogmas given by Christ, all of the teachings post-Vatican II. Most of them aren't even on the level of authority anyway, and so when a person comes into union with the Catholic Church, they are accepting Catholicism, the faith, not necessarily every single thing Pope Francis says. All right.

Speaker 3: 25:30

We are going to change topics. We're going to do the Knowles clip first, because, dude, I was so impressed by this and I want to send him this segment as a way to kiss his ass and maybe he'll come on with us. So let's do the Knowles clip.

Speaker 4: 25:44

At least you're being honest, rob, you gave him a D with Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3: 25:50

We have to do something to better our image with him.

Speaker 4: 25:52

For whatever I mean, whatever reason you want to ascribe to him, whether it was being his friend or whatever, he sucked during that.

Speaker 3: 26:00

Yeah, I mean, if you guys are curious what we're talking about, Rob and I did a breakdown of Michael Knowles and Charlie Kirk. I was a little more forgiving of Michael because I think it's just his personality type and maybe his temperament.

Speaker 5: 26:11

I still haven't seen the whole clip.

Speaker 3: 26:12

in all honesty, the debate between the two, Rob, you weren't too bad on him, though actually no, I wasn't. We both agreed that Michael not saying things in some cases just let Charlie make an idiot of himself. So if you guys haven't seen that that was a good show we did, all right. So let's bring the Noles clip up. Okay, so this is on Piers Morgan. They're debating Pete Hegseth's tattoo.

Speaker 5: 26:40

Oh, very interesting. That's what should be on TV. Well, watch where it goes.

Speaker 3: 26:45

It's very interesting.

Speaker 7: 26:47

And ask for the cross that you talked about yes Deus Volt which is the cross that he has and the slogan that he Okay, wow, that started off retarded right away, didn't it?

Speaker 4: 26:56

It's not even the name of the cross that he has.

Speaker 3: 26:59

No, he has the Jerusalem cross, but he does have Deus Volt.

Speaker 4: 27:02

Right.

Speaker 3: 27:05

But like, oh, yeah, no, no, she thought the cross. Yeah, yeah, he has. He has a jerusalem cross, which rob also has, because rob is, um, what is that? A neo-nazi cross, rob? Is that what that is?

Speaker 5: 27:13

thanks we really know that the nazis were huge catholics.

Speaker 4: 27:18

Yes, yeah, they only had at least one encyclical directed directly at them they only rounded up hundreds of priests and murdered them, but whatever customarily, when you visit the holy land you get a tattoo of the jerusalem cross.

Speaker 3: 27:31

That is generally the custom, but a lot of people do get them that don't go to the holy land but like generally that is one of the traditions that you do. There's a guy that's been doing get, make right, making that tattoo.

Speaker 4: 27:44

That tattoo family's been doing it since 1300 that, honestly, is pretty epic. I'm not even a fan of that tattoo. That's pretty epic it's a Coptic tradition, both Coptic Orthodox and Coptic Catholic. They had to tattoo themselves with that on their wrists to get into church. That's how they would know that they were Christian and not Mohammedan. Risk to get into church that's how they would know that they were Christian and not Mohammedan.

Speaker 3: 28:08

Yeah, and listen with this ceasefire. Right, maybe there's a possibility we could all visit the Holy Land one day, because I would love to go to visit the Holy Land and see the places Christ walked. But, alright, let's do the clip, because watch where this goes.

Speaker 7: 28:21

He has. It is an old Christian cross.

Speaker 4: 28:24

Okay, so he answered that right away, right off the bat the phrase, excuse me the phrase.

Speaker 7: 28:29

The phrase, however, was uttered by crusaders as they were slaughtering jews and muslims during the second crusade specifically. So it's not just a random cross, that. That is not just a random phrase.

Speaker 6: 28:41

That isn't true the phrase that is not true. It is the phrase was uttered after the council of claremont, when Pope Urban II declared the crusade. It was actually probably due le voul, but it's been rendered in Latin as deus vult.

Speaker 7: 28:54

It has nothing to do with slaughtering Jews and you're telling me it has nothing to do with slaughtering Muslims because the Muslims had invaded Europe, not the other way around. Oh my God, are you really? Are you really saying that the reason the crusade which was sent to the Holy land to liberate the Holy land from whom? From Jews and Muslims?

Speaker 4: 29:11

Yeah, there are enemies. Does she not know what liberate means? Why would you have to liberate something?

Speaker 5: 29:19

She is a perfect example of the cancer that is leftism, where they will promote these false, wicked religions and they will hold this double standard against Europeans.

Speaker 3: 29:28

But the Holy Land. Look, it's our.

Speaker 5: 29:31

Holy.

Speaker 3: 29:31

Land For anybody that gives you this line where the Catholics went in to exterminate Muslims and Jews? The Holy Land. After the temple is destroyed in 70 AD, the Jews are dispersed throughout the world. The the temple is destroyed in 70 ad. The jews are dispersed throughout the world. The holy land is no longer theirs. It is only the holy land, because we consider it the holy land, because it is where god himself walked.

Speaker 3: 29:56

This is christian land from the first century onward, maybe the second century onward, like as christianity spreads by the second century. I mean, we went over and we did um. Uh, when mount vesuvius blows and you have pompeii gets destroyed, you already have christians in pompeii in 79 ad. The holy land from the second century on is christian damascus where, like damascus is like the first Christians there. So when the Crusades happen, it's because Muslims are invading Christian lands and the Pope calls a crusade to ward off these Muslim hordes. It's not like the Muslims held this territory and we just went to go. No, they came in and slaughtered Christiansians and we had a war to fight them off exactly they came in slaughtered christians.

Speaker 5: 30:49

I mean, this is the thing. She's clearly never read anything about the the history of the crusades and she's never had anybody actually challenge her. Notice the way that she reacted whenever he just starts to bring up the reality oh, she blasphemed right away, oh, and she does again.

Speaker 3: 31:03

So everybody forgive that. Hey, um, matt, we're gonna read your super chat. Just leave it in there and we will get to it. Don't disappear. I want to finish this clip and then we'll go back and we'll if we, if you guys, do throw a super chat up, we will go back to it and we will get to it okay, we ready, continue yeah I'll tell you why the crusade.

Speaker 6: 31:25

The crusade began because the eastern emperor asked for help from the uh western pope, because the seljuk turks were slaughtering christians in the holy land because those lands were christian before the uh muslims invaded in the seventh century, so that's why no, no, no, good to know.

Speaker 7: 31:40

Michael's crusade, I'm sorry. Those, those lands, those, those lands became. Those lands became christian after the First Crusade.

Speaker 6: 31:47

Okay, so let's be clear the lands were Christian in the first and second centuries.

Speaker 3: 31:52

Do you see how smug she is? Those lands became Christian after the First Crusade. Because you are a woman. She can't help it, but you're just so historically illiterate.

Speaker 5: 32:02

I've never had anybody challenge her. That's the problem. Marxist, communist colleges brainwash people.

Speaker 3: 32:08

Leftism is to be that historically illiterate and spew things like you know them I, I don't know. Man, I guess you do get caught in arguments sometimes and you have to kind of like pretend you know what you're talking about.

Speaker 5: 32:20

But I wouldn't even give her that. I wouldn't even give her that. I just straight up think that she literally believes that this crap and she is, she's in her superiority complex.

Speaker 4: 32:29

I legit believe that all right, let's finish this out, because watch, watch where this goes jim russell, are you gonna defend that woman if I call her a retarded broad, or or will you not defend her? I just want to know the rules here rob, you are so much worse than me.

Speaker 3: 32:46

I know you are like so much worse than me.

Speaker 4: 32:50

It just builds up. It just builds up.

Speaker 3: 32:53

Everybody thinks I'm the bad one. I'm not the bad one.

Speaker 4: 32:58

Oh man, Okay, here we go. Islam didn't exist before the 7th century. What are you?

Speaker 6: 33:02

talking about? Okay, listen, I Islam didn't exist before the 7th century. What are you talking about?

Speaker 7: 33:07

Okay, listen, I can go all day if you want to talk about the.

Speaker 1: 33:10

Christians? No, you can't. But the point is, I can't say it. I'm talking about it quite fast, for people.

Speaker 7: 33:16

But what that has to do with what that has to do with Pete Hegseth is. It's not that he has a random cross that talks about his faith in Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6: 33:24

He used a very specific terminology, but putting all of that aside, a phrase that was first uttered to defend persecuted Christians in the Middle East, just like they're being persecuted today.

Speaker 7: 33:32

Okay, okay, if you want to talk about the Crusades being, that's who you want as the. Secretary of Defense, wonderful. Yes, if you want to talk about the Crusades, judy finish your point and I'll go to Michael. My point is that I cannot even believe that, something the Vatican apologized for, is something you're defending, which is the slaughter of Jews and.

Speaker 1: 33:52

Muslims during the crusades. What did the Vatican. Apologize for, excuse me, the Vatican said the crusades.

Speaker 7: 33:55

What are you talking about? Oh, my Jesus, you know what. Why don't you give me a call after this?

Speaker 3: 34:13

and I will you through exactly. All right, let's try and bring things back.

Speaker 5: 34:15

All right, let me all right women cannot get into debates with smart, intelligent men, I do want to say bravo to michael knolls.

Speaker 3: 34:18

He was good. Salute to you, sir. If you ever watched phenomenal there. Like, just completely like, what are you even talking about? Like, just the way he handled her smugness was perfect. Just like, what are you even there weren't the muslims that they like? They don't write. They think islam is as old as christianity. They don't realize that muhammad pops up in this.

Speaker 3: 34:40

Um rob, what was tom holland's book? Uh, about the origins of Islam? He did a documentary I watched. I didn't read the book Under the Sword, something like that. He goes into the origins of Islam and you don't actually know what the origins of Islam are. Nobody knows where Mecca really is. It just starts off as a bunch of stories. And there's no possible way. Nobody knows where Mecca really is. It just starts off as a bunch of stories. There's no possible way. I think you did a great job In the shadow of the sword. In the shadow of the sword, the origins of Islam are so shady that it's if you go back and research them, there's like even the Quran is a bunch of jumbled Eastern Christian stories that they threw into the Quran, and there's, I mean, it started off as a Christian heresy, as Nestorian heresy, essentially.

Speaker 5: 35:39

Yeah, no, it's an amalgamation of different thoughts, different faiths, different philosophies, all jumbled up together because Muhammad was illiterate and being in a Bedouin tradition. That's how they put it together. You're right, tina. Islam is pure evil. It has launched numerous wars. Muhammad launched like 87 wars in his lifetime, many of them being raids. He slaughtered over 500. He himself beheaded over 500 people in one day. Yeah, I was about to say uh, of course his um, let's just say his sins against the sixth and ninth commandments are are well known, especially when you go and you read al-hadith, where the hadith talks about all kinds of wicked. It basically makes heaven into a brothel. The fact that this leftist woman, who I'm sure believes, believes that the Quran is a book of peace, defends this nonsense is laughable.

Speaker 3: 36:30

Okay, I'm trying to get in touch with Sam. I have people reaching out to him.

Speaker 5: 36:35

Sam Shamoon. If you watch this clip, please come on. I am a huge fan of your work.

Speaker 3: 36:40

We would love to get him on. I saw a clip of him the other day where he just had a guy break down crying. When he told the guy to go back home to the Catholic church he was raised in, the guy went to the Pentecostal movement and Sam was just like no, no, no.

Speaker 4: 36:53

Oh, you mean the Catholic charismatic movement?

Speaker 3: 36:55

Oh well, this was the legit Pentecostal movement and the guy breaks down crying because he's like, please don't tell me my whole life was in vain and he's like your life is not in vain. Anything you love in the charismatic Pentecostal movement is there in the Catholic church in true form. Yeah, it's called Ralph Martin. No, I don't think that's what he meant. I don't think that's what he meant at all. Let's hope not. All right, Nick, when you talk about the manuals in the church, can you give examples of what you mean in any recommendations?

Speaker 5: 37:23

So it depends on, I would say maybe, your level of exposure to Catholic thought. So, for instance, if you've not read through a catechism, I don't know if you'd want to jump into a manual yet, but if you have read one, I would say manuals are basically short teaching encyclopedias of faith. They're short courses over different parts of our Catholic faith. And so some good manuals to start on, I give you two. For dogma, check out the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott. It's probably the most famous one in trad circles. For moral theology, check out Father Prumer's Handbook of Moral Theology. Both of those are pretty short texts and they're pretty short for teaching manuals themselves. But to start off in, that's where you want to start.

Speaker 4: 38:04

Eric has a good point. There is actually no real evidence outside of the Quran and the Hadith that Mohammed existed.

Speaker 5: 38:14

I have heard that. I have heard that it's interesting.

Speaker 3: 38:16

So what should we do for family? Who is Protestant? It depends, it's this. This is a very subjective question.

Speaker 5: 38:23

I think they're talking about in the context of prayer, because I think we were like, like, no, not necessarily.

Speaker 3: 38:27

Well, not necessarily. I mean, yes, of course, pray, because we were talking about that earlier, that's why, it really does.

Speaker 3: 38:32

It's a very subjective thing. It depends on the person you're dealing with. Um, it really. Look, I I don't know. Sometimes you could go bible verse for bible verse and you could go that route. You could go the catholic answers. Sometimes you could go Bible verse for Bible verse and you could go that route. You could go the Catholic Answers route or you could go the historical route. I think the historical route like to me, the greatest proof of Christianity is the Catholic Church, like there is no greater proof of Christianity. Forget the resurrection, not forget it. But like the resurrection, fine. Yeah, you could go that route, but they already believe that. But the church itself. When you actually go through history and see what the church did throughout history, to me that is the greatest proof of Christianity.

Speaker 5: 39:12

Yeah, I don't know, matthew, if, matthew, you were talking about like, practicals in the sense of prayer, because that's that's what I'm thinking he might be asking, because we were talking about like, should we pray with non-Catholics?

Speaker 4: 39:29

Should we go to their service. I think that's what he was talking about. Oh, what did you do with protestant? I thought he meant about yeah, because that question came around the same time as this question.

Speaker 5: 39:33

Yeah, so are you allowed to pray or participate in protestant meal blessings or stand by them?

Speaker 4: 39:37

so I just uh kind of take over and I do too that's what I do, so I I eat with my protestant in-laws, all the and I just go.

Speaker 3: 39:44

Everybody raise your right hand and they do and I go. Name of the Father, son and Holy Spirit. I just go bless the Lord. I stole that from Patrick Coffin, I have to say.

Speaker 5: 39:54

I stole that from Patrick Coffin. That's what I did just because yeah. So short answer is either A yeah, you can do the Anthony approach, take over the situation or b um, I would just respectfully like, if they're gonna be praying around the dinner table, I would just respectfully kind of just be quiet, let them do their thing, etc. You know, not just jumping in and calling a foul or whatever, but you're not participating in it always comes down to you do is you get holy water.

Speaker 3: 40:18

You get holy water, you throw it at them and you go. The power of christ comp you. It works like a charm, every single time.

Speaker 5: 40:25

Get a crucifix, get them cornered in a room.

Speaker 3: 40:28

Do you guys accept Nostra Aetate 0.3? I don't.

Speaker 5: 40:32

If it's anything in Nostra Aetate I love how Anthony says it Aetate, nostra Aetate then I probably don't, because that document is hot trash quite frankly I do what vatican 2 tells me to do and judge it based on in light of all the prior teachings of the church.

Speaker 3: 40:51

So if it doesn't line up, then well well okay, I have deus volp tattooed on my arm and my evil or base. You're evil because you interviewed kennedy after us and it wasn't as good of an interview and you claimed it was yes the holy land and north africa was the center of christendom until the islamic invasions. Crusades happened once those invasions encroached on europe and the hordes were driven back. Yeah, but a lot of people don't know. But if it wasn't for the crusades, you wouldn't. You wouldn't have the life you have right now.

Speaker 5: 41:24

Like the crusades literally save the world yeah, the question is, just when are we going to have another crusade? Because they're already invading the west right now. But unfortunately, 63 of our catholic population doesn't even believe that christ is god, so this is a great point.

Speaker 3: 41:39

Unfortunately, because of the crusades, this woman isn't wearing a heat job that's great, that's funny north africa slash. Italy is still the center of christian and this is a throwback to an old thing you used to say crazy. I was crazy once. They put me in a rubber room, a room of modernist. I hate modernist. They make me loony trad. Loony trad. I was a loony trad once. That was an old thing they said when I was a kid. You're showing your age, catholic Samurai.

Speaker 4: 42:11

Alright, let's see. You showed your age by having to go to Best Buy to have the Geek Squad help you with your computer.

Speaker 3: 42:16

Let's not tell that story publicly. Sorry, nick, last question on this, but would you say the Ordinary mass is a legit catholic mass. I have one close to my house I I would you say it's better than the nova sordo nick I would say, uh, in like what?

Speaker 5: 42:29

in a subjective sense, yes, it's better than the nova sordo, but in an objective sense I'd say it's not much better at all, in all honesty I would say.

Speaker 3: 42:36

I would say don't listen to this crazy trad. He's got mental unwellness and he's unstable, like like a sense, if you're just wanting reverence.

Speaker 5: 42:47

Okay, yeah, but also recognize that it's like because of them, they're going to consider the Anglicans Christians and all the equanimity of the council.

Speaker 3: 42:57

Alright. So I had this argument with Jason and Jason says that Jason is entirely wrong on this okay, is he? Because I don't know, I've never been to an ordinary liturgy.

Speaker 4: 43:07

The ordinary liturgy comes from grammar, it does not come from the Sam right.

Speaker 5: 43:12

No, it does not, no matter what Jason says otherwise, oh. I love it. It's a common myth that it's the Sam right. It is not Sam right. Just go and watch the Sam right on YouTube and then watch that Ordinary and. Mass and you'll be like these are not the same.

Speaker 4: 43:24

It's an adaptation of the Book of Common Prayer.

Speaker 5: 43:27

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 43:29

If you're completely, invisibly, invincibly ignorant. I imagine they meant co-workers ask you why you fast as a Catholic. What would each of you say in response Ooh, that's a good question.

Speaker 3: 43:46

What would you say, anthony? First off, do you fast? Absolutely, I'm just joking. The only, the only people I talk to about fasting is my muslim friend at work, because, um, he's the only one that understands it, ironically, like the the guys I work with, um, so I buy lunch for my guys regularly because I'm the super on the crew. We're typically on a big, so on Fridays they get pizza, no matter what. Like they know they're getting pizza on Friday, it's like you're not getting anything with meat, but it's a good jumping off point for conversation, in my opinion. You know, like I always use, like, especially my fallen away Catholic friends that I work with. If I see them eating meat, I will castigate them and I'll tell them you heathen filth, you are catholic and you have betrayed your birthright. Why are you eating a ham sandwich, right?

Speaker 3: 44:30

like something like that. And then it turns into a conversation and a lot of them especially like I work with a lot of south american guys and they came here and they don't know their history and I like I've had really good conversations about Our Lady of Guadalupe with them and just explaining to them like bro, you were Aztec savages before Christians came.

Speaker 5: 44:53

That place unfortunately needs an exorcism though, because it's been going around the internet over the last two or three days on Twitter. But people have been posting that old video of John Paul II when he's there and they're doing the Aztec mats and that woman comes up with this literally piece of a branch of a bush, and she's blessing him, the tilma's right behind them and she's just doing all this stuff. That's the origins of the Mayan rite right there Legit. It's horrible man. Nick's favorite scholastic contra-Islam treatment Summa Contra Dincilis by St Thomas Aquinas Hands down.

Speaker 3: 45:32

Should we do the Jordan clip on the other side?

Speaker 5: 45:38

We can, if you want.

Speaker 3: 45:40

I say we do the Jordan clip on the other side. Let's leave these people wanting more.

Speaker 4: 45:45

Think they still want more.

Speaker 3: 45:48

I think so we don't have as big of an audience, as we have in the last few shows. So you know what. We're going to drag you guys over to the other side. All right, we're going to go over to locals. We got the Jordan Peterson clip. I think Rob loves Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 4: 46:00

This is going to be a fun one, so excited the only thing that would be better is some jonathan peugeot too kale, you and I need to do our video one day.

Speaker 5: 46:09

John paul ii from a zoomer and a boomer perspective I, I still.

Speaker 4: 46:16

I don't see like me my wife's been bad talking me in the locals chat without me seeing it she's in florida, right she said can confirm. Rob is the worst one. He's just usually better at keeping his trap shut, Because she hears all the things that I say only to her.

Speaker 5: 46:34

It's the quiet ones you have to watch out for.

Speaker 3: 46:38

We're going to do Jim Russell gossip on the other side we're going to do Jordan.

Speaker 5: 46:43

Peterson, we're going to do local deac. The gossip about local deacons, no listen.

Speaker 3: 46:47

There's a huge update on the other side. So, Rob if he wants to see this one. We're cutting Spirit Juice feed off.

Speaker 4: 46:53

We're cutting everything. He's not getting any of that. No, dude, that literally makes three times the work for me. Don't look. No, it literally gives me four hours more work. No, they four hours more work, no.

Speaker 3: 47:01

They're not getting an audio podcast this week. They're not getting Spirit Juice this week, don't even post it. Don't even post them there. It's saving you work? No, it's not. How? By not putting it up at all, like the whole show.

Speaker 5: 47:17

Honestly Kennedy. That's exactly what I was thinking. I was just like why are these guys debating about this platform?

Speaker 3: 47:25

No Spirit Juice upload and no audio podcast upload for this episode. You guys want to watch it. You got to pay. I'm sorry, that's just the way it is, because we're going to go. Yeah, we're doing that to you. I'll tell you what. No, I'm not, no, no. Anthony's going to go mobster, pay up up or I'll break your kneecaps. That's it. You guys gotta come over. If you want to hear this, you have to come over and you have to pay, because I don't want Jim getting over there for free. It's not happening.

Speaker 7: 47:53

So no audio podcast for this episode, jim, if you're reading this please log over a month.

Speaker 4: 47:59

Jim, do you know how much it sucks to have a protected Twitter account, just so you can't screenshot me all day?

Speaker 7: 48:06

How am I supposed to?

Speaker 4: 48:06

argue with other people on Twitter if they don't see my tweets.

Speaker 3: 48:11

Jim, we're doing this on the other side because I have a lot of things to say, so let's go on the other side. We're going on the other side. I have things to say. And Jim, if you want to watch sorry buddy, you're going to have to pay and raise it to $10 this episode. Sorry buddy, you're going to have to pay him, raise it to $10 this episode. That's not even possible. All right, we'll go to locals. Come on over, guys. We'll go to locals, let's go.

Speaker 4: 48:32

Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3: 48:34

February 8th men's conference, the thing he's trying to cancel us from. It is going to be a fun, fun weekend, even if they do cancel us, because it is a possibility and when you, when you hear what he's doing, it is a possibility we will still be there.

Speaker 4: 48:51

No matter what, you still can hang out with us If you buy the VIP tickets.

Speaker 3: 48:56

And you will. We'll look. We may not be able to speak there If we get canceled.

Speaker 4: 49:01

They speak in the church.

Speaker 3: 49:02

Like yes, but we will speak. You'll hear our talk. It's just going to be after the church function and we'll figure something out.

Speaker 5: 49:10

Yeah, honestly, Kennedy's conference is where it's at. You guys should just come up there.

Speaker 3: 49:14

Kennedy invite me to speak next year from a Zoomer perspective. I don't have a passport.

Speaker 5: 49:21

I'll go to your conference, Kennedy, and speak.

Speaker 3: 49:24

Nobody hasn't even invited me on Mere Tradition. I haven't even been on Mere Tradition yet and he wants me to come to his conference. Are you sick? When I get the Mere Tradition invite, we'll talk about going to your conference. I've been on here 10 times. I haven't gotten one invite over there. All right, let's go guys we're heading over.

Speaker 4: 49:43

Okay, hold on, I'm cutting it off. Facebook dead, twitter dead. I don't even know why I posted it to my Twitter today.

Speaker 5: 49:54

My Twitter's locked. Yeah still, kennedy raises a good point, I'm off Monday Kennedy.

Speaker 4: 50:02

Okay, we're only on locals.

Speaker 3: 50:05

I'm serious no audio podcast for this episode, no spiritual episode, because if he wants to hear this, he's got to come over here.

Speaker 4: 50:14

I've got a marker. I'll edit it. I'll still upload it, but not this part.

Speaker 3: 50:19

He has now resorted to going after the sponsors. Okay, the thing that drives me to nothing really drives me nuts. I really don't care, but it's the the behind the block wall thing. It's like dude, everything I tweet, you screenshot and like literally everything. It's like why do you have me block?

Speaker 4: 50:41

he. He screenshotted the fact that I changed my name on Twitter and protected my account.

Speaker 3: 50:46

And meanwhile I guarantee he has an alt account that he follows you on and like he's just. But it's like why are you blocking me? Like you're? You're, you're reading everything I tweet. I can still see everything you tweet Like. What is the point of the block at this point?

Speaker 4: 51:01

there's no point of it. I I mean, I I've literally sent support messages to twitter like, like, if you get, if you can't get this guy off your platform, why am I on your platform? Then? See, here's my question though what?

Speaker 5: 51:15

what did the bishop say in response to his messages and the bishop that's going to be there is still going to be there.

Speaker 4: 51:22

Okay, I don't seem to care. The bishop who's in ahead of the diocese where it's actually going to be there, it's still going to be there. They don't seem to care. The bishop who's in the head of the diocese where it's actually going to physically be located, hasn't responded to anything. Can.

Speaker 3: 51:31

I tell you what's actually helping us. He calls everyone anti-Semitic yeah, including the local bishop, probably. But he called so. He accused so I'm not going to say who, because I don't want this to blow up. He accused someone of anti-Semitism that speaks in their diocese and is responsible for raising millions of dollars in their diocese.

Speaker 4: 52:01

In the Charlotte diocese. In the Charlotte diocese.

Speaker 3: 52:04

So if they cancel us for this, it's like well, wait a minute, the same guy that's accusing them is accusing this other person too. You're going to cancel that other person too.

Speaker 3: 52:17

It's like the guy just throws that anti-semitism label out at everybody, because if you're not a diehard dude, we don't even talk about the jews at all ever. Like we had one interview with father maudsley and kind of like touched on, like okay, well, he posts a clip of us and father maudsley and the clip is father maudsley saying I, you, you, yes, there may be uh, uh like a disproportionate amount of jews behind pornography, behind banking. But if you are a catholic and you pornography, you can't blame the Jews. That's your fault. If you are buried in debt and you're paying interest, you can't blame the Jews. For that. You are the one that fell into it. Like not giving any way to blame the other. It is our responsibility as Catholics to make sure that we are morally pure, financially, um like smart with our money, things like that. So for them, for him, to accuse us of it, it's just preposterous yeah, it's honestly wow, how old is this dude?

Speaker 5: 53:18

because it's like I've seen him on twitter, but it's been very like. You know I'm not on there in the 70s

Speaker 3: 53:23

I mean he's just like an old queen, old queen. He's like an old closeted queen in my opinion I don't know, I'm not on there in the 70s I mean he's just like an old queen, old queen. He's like an old closeted queen in my opinion. I don't know, I'm not accusing him of that, but like that's how he acts. He acts like he acts like a neurotic, closeted queen. It's just I don't know if he is, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that's what he is, just the way he acts seems that way. So so do you think there's a decent chance you guys are going to get canceled? I don't know if he is, I'm not saying that's what he is, it's just the way he acts seems that way.

Speaker 5: 53:46

So do you think there's a decent chance you guys are going to get canceled?

Speaker 3: 53:48

I don't know Look to me it legitimately does not matter, because we're going to the conference no matter what. We're still going to promote it, no matter what. I feel bad for the organizers because they didn't ask for this. Like they're three weeks out out so they can't get a replacement at this point, so their whole conference could fall apart if we don't go. So like we have to go, no matter what. Like yeah, we can't just leave them hanging like this isn't their fault, like that some mental case is stalking us and taking things dude, screenshotting the silliest things. Like the silliest things. Like the silliest things me, me interacting with Molly and Catherine, my friends, and like being like you broads. Like joking, being sarcastic. He calls women broads. It's like yeah, it's funny, idiot.

Speaker 5: 54:36

Well, he probably has a crush on this lady who was debating Michael Knowles, so it seems to be of the same ideology.

Speaker 3: 54:46

I wonder if he would say that Muslims are our separated brethren.

Speaker 5: 54:49

I mean they literally say that we worship the same God. So I don't think he'd say that because that would be, that would be.

Speaker 4: 54:58

Yeah, that would be not boomer enough. You know what I mean. Like he's a boomer conservative so he hates. He hates the Muslims, the Jews, loves the Jews enough. You know what I mean. Like he's a boomer conservative so he hates. He hates the, the muslims the jews loves the jews yeah, it's very odd um.

Speaker 3: 55:12

They're replacing anthony but ryan that's true.

Speaker 4: 55:15

We'll just have ryan act like you just go in and pretend to be me, yeah, that'd be amazing, honestly someone says I gotta find a woman who's into me as much as Jim is into Anthony, right so true, so true just change the channel name to Nostra Abate.

Speaker 3: 55:38

Nostra Abate oh, my god, he calls it. He put my first and last name out there, so he goes and I reported him for it, because he's putting my last name out there.

Speaker 4: 55:51

To be fair, he did have a point when he said you put your own name out there, but I can put my name out there.

Speaker 3: 55:57

He can't.

Speaker 4: 56:00

I don't think it works that way. Well, either way.

Speaker 7: 56:03

He goes I prefer his nickname for you.

Speaker 3: 56:06

His name may or may not rhyme with a schmata. So I changed my name on Twitter to Anthony Eshmata.

Speaker 5: 56:14

That's great.

Speaker 3: 56:16

He's so dumb, he's just so dumb I can literally make an entire show just reading his tweets and laughing hysterically about them the week after you guys get back from the conference.

Speaker 5: 56:28

that should be the show episode, unless something else blows up. Oh, dude.

Speaker 3: 56:31

Once that conference is over, first off, I'll never agree to speak at a diocesan event again.

Speaker 4: 56:35

My wife has a good point. You can't claim he doxes you when you've put your whole name and address out there on Twitter before Literally telling someone to come and fight.

Speaker 5: 56:44

come, fight me now I deleted that tweet, though only I was on twitter in those days so when this conference is over.

Speaker 3: 56:54

We will never agree to speak at another diocesan event. Like it's just not worth the hassle. So we'll do like off conferences. Like we'll go to a kennedy hall conference but we're not going to a rally we do like cic.

Speaker 4: 57:07

If cic was fun exactly something like that csc just needs to have more like youth there.

Speaker 5: 57:12

That's the problem. Like like ever, like ever all the old conference.

Speaker 3: 57:17

Yeah, all the boomer conference.

Speaker 5: 57:19

That's one of the big like. So, murray and I, murray rundus I don't know if you're a local supporter, murray, so I don't know if you're in here but uh, murray and I, murray rundus I don't know if you're a local supporter, murray, so I don't know if you're in here but uh, murray and I were talking like all of the mainstream, like or old, like ecclesi a day catholic trad stuff. It's all so old looking, it's like they just need a makeover man.

Speaker 3: 57:35

Like, yeah, they're in there look, that's what I found the most interesting about the difference in my audience and patrick's audience was just age. It was like I couldn't believe how young the people were that came to Italy like I was like holy cow like our audience is significantly younger than because Patrick's been doing this for so long.

Speaker 3: 57:53

So he just kind of maintained his audience over the past 30 years. Where we're starting now as a lot of young Catholics who kind of like like they probably do check out the older guys stuff, but they're more into the goofy and you know the show we do. It's like it was just a stark contrast, you know, and I heard, like it's generally at the conference that we're going to, it's generally an older crowd and I think we'll bring some youth to that crowd. Like I think it'll be a lot more younger guys going to it because we're there, you know, which brings fresh life into a like you, like the. The younger catholic crowd is a lot less pearl clutching, they're not as easily offended. It's like that they're. They're willing to get their hands dirty a little bit and you kind of need that as as energy for the movement right now.

Speaker 5: 58:41

You know it's not this, because, like, think about the stuff that, like, young catholics are talking about. They're like, yeah, israel, gay, pope francis, is he pope? I don't know. Then think about what boomer catholics are talking about right now. It's like, if you're the fox news one, it's just like I don't. I think benedict is still pope. He was just the most amazing guy ever, and or nothing. You know why. Why is it that the knights of columbus collapsing? I don't know why the youths aren't showing up for a fish fry.

Speaker 3: 59:07

Even the Knights of Columbus. When I first came back to the church, I wanted to participate, so I went to a Knights of Columbus meeting. There wasn't a guy younger than 70 in there and I was like I'm not going to be the only guy in my 20s hanging out with a bunch of 70 I went through the first degree ceremony I I was enrolled four year.

Speaker 4: 59:26

Four or five years later they still bother me every year for dues like I have not been there for four years.

Speaker 3: 59:32

Yeah it's just look, because when you first come back to to the faith, like that, you want to participate, like you want to be around other catholics. So you, you're like, all right, let me go join. It's just, dude, there's just such a generational chasm between us. I don't know, man, you know we need a, we need a little bit of vibrance. So, all right, let's get into the jordan peterson clip, because I think it's going to drive rob crazy and then, especially when I defend it, it's going to make him even crazier yeah it is peterson and on the same stream.

Speaker 5: 1:00:02

No, it's not for show this time.

Speaker 3: 1:00:05

I don't know who this guy is he's talking to, but I thought it was. I'm going to defend what he says because I like to.

Speaker 4: 1:00:17

You know what we need to do. You know what would help us not get canceled. We need to have Konomi write to the diocese and show them that we do have one black viewer.

Speaker 5: 1:00:32

I was paid to speak on behalf of all black Catholics.

Speaker 3: 1:00:37

Anthony is one of us, Konomi, like such a freaking, awesome saintly dude man. I had such a good time with him you guys.

Speaker 4: 1:00:48

We have the biggest live viewership in locals ever, right now no way we're over 100, let's go also, it took about four minutes into the local stream for me to remember to turn it over to paid only all right.

Speaker 3: 1:01:04

Well, they got a few minutes for free, it's alright. Oh, and the whole first four minutes of where we talked about.

Speaker 4: 1:01:11

Jim you called him an old queen. I'm like oh wait, that little box isn't clicked.

Speaker 3: 1:01:20

I called him an old queen.

Speaker 5: 1:01:23

It's an old queen, frad is a douchebag.

Speaker 3: 1:01:26

I'll say this one last thing I'll say this one last thing he thinks I'm Mike Lewis, help me.

Speaker 4: 1:01:32

Obi-wan Kenobi, you're my only black fan.

Speaker 3: 1:01:36

So Jim Russell thinks I'm Mike Lewis, like he thinks he's going to frazzle me, like he doesn't understand what a lunatic I am and that, like the highlight of my day is going and seeing but mike lewis what? Do you mean? Oh, because he's no longer a deacon yes, mike lewis won that but no, but mike lewis lost losses.

Speaker 3: 1:01:59

Cool, like jim drove him crazy. Like jim, like mike lewis did kind of like melt down from it. That will never happen. Like there's nothing Jim can do to me to make me like anything but anything, yeah, don't even mention that, though. Don't even give him ideas. Like the thing is, there's nothing he could do to me. Nothing, like absolutely nothing. I don't care. I find it hilarious. All he's doing is making himself look stupid. Like look, when he goes after a guy like mike lewis, he'll rally people to his cause because there's the liberal catholic and the conservative catholic and the conservative catholic see that mike lewis is a francis fanatic, so you'll get. He'll rally people to his side. When you're going against two guys who Rob, we don't have problems with anybody.

Speaker 4: 1:02:47

No other than Lofton.

Speaker 3: 1:02:49

Yeah, that's it. It's only Lofton.

Speaker 5: 1:02:51

It's only Lofton, because everyone has a problem with him.

Speaker 3: 1:02:54

We genuinely get along with pretty much everyone, because we don't go after guys. We don't like. We just I don't know man Like we. Just you're going after people, that people. You don't have two guys that pretty much you're gonna have taylor marshall and mike lewis come to our defense it's a it's amazing. It's amazing like when mike lewis likes me right, because I'm just not an a-hole to him, like I'm not, like I just the good thing with our show is we only.

Speaker 5: 1:03:25

We only instigate beef like 50 minutes in, so it's like after four drinks after four or five drinks. We were like yeah, matt, fred's a douche I didn't say that story not what I said?

Speaker 4: 1:03:38

I did not say that I said roll the clip, roll the clip. No, I said I, I actually have not even watched that show.

Speaker 3: 1:03:46

I said I'll find it I was very I was very tuned, I was, I was drunk that show like I wasn't buzzed, I like had to go to confession after that show because I got.

Speaker 5: 1:03:55

I got genuinely too drunk father fry have sinned. I was drunk and I called matt frat a duchon live yeah, anthony, I know, I saw I did not. Yeah, anthony, do you also want to confess imitating me so many times?

Speaker 4: 1:04:09

everyone in the chat goes. But everyone in the chat goes, anthony. But you did though exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:04:15

No, I did not. I said I know what I said because I watched the clip after. What I said was matt. Matt doesn't answer my texts anymore. I hope that's not because he's an arrogant douche.

Speaker 4: 1:04:27

Everyone's like he did call Matt Fred a douche for not checking his text.

Speaker 3: 1:04:33

He said I hope he's not, and he did text me after that so clearly he's not, so don't worry about it, which is ironic since he's not white.

Speaker 5: 1:04:44

Real honestly, base take Rob ironic, since he's not white. Real honestly, base take Rob.

Speaker 3: 1:04:48

Let's do the Peterson clip.

Speaker 4: 1:04:50

Father goes. I saw that live and chuckled. Don't put me in near occasion of sin again, anthony, oh that's great. Someone else says, yeah well, I made the mistake of watching that show, sober I had to live through it, sober.

Speaker 3: 1:05:08

I don't think he's getting ghosted. So we say Anthony Hayes is getting ghosted. I don't, it's not. It's like I. It bothers me if you start off as my friend and yeah, I hate getting ghosted. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. You're literally describing what it is, you're you're literally describing what that is it's like don't start off as my friend and then disappear and knock it off. What are you doing?

Speaker 4: 1:05:31

guys, one day I'm gonna ignore anthony for a whole week and not say a word to him, and let's see what will happen, because I'll, I'll.

Speaker 3: 1:05:39

There's not even a possibility for you to escape my presence rob you and I will coordinate.

Speaker 5: 1:05:43

We'll figure out when this week will be okay all right, let's play the clip, come on I was just really trying to avoid this.

Speaker 4: 1:05:52

No we're doing it, let's go.

Speaker 1: 1:05:54

So I want to be clear is what? What is? What is it you believe? What is the god you believe in? I think that the claim that christ is the embodiment of the prophet and the laws. I think that's true. Okay, yeah, that's complicated, it's very, very complicated, but I think it's true. So you believe that Jesus was God? God, yeah, yeah, I think, if you understand what that means, that it's indisputable.

Speaker 4: 1:06:26

I'll give you a brief explanation of why there's nothing more that needs to be said.

Speaker 3: 1:06:33

Okay. So now he's going to go into his explanation of it. He thinks that Jesus is God. We also have a clip of him saying he thinks when he spoke with Alex whatever his name is. I also have a clip of him saying he thinks when he spoke about Alex whatever his name is that if he put a camcorder outside of the tomb on that Sunday, he thinks that Christ would have come, a man would have risen and came out of that tomb. So he believes in the resurrection?

Speaker 4: 1:06:57

Does he think that that man that came out of the tomb did so because he, of his own divine power, literally just said this is God.

Speaker 3: 1:07:05

So now now listen to his. So now listen to his explanation and I'm going to tell you why. I Look, I know you guys are going to say it sounds Gnostic or it sounds like he's trying to mythologize Christ, but I want people to really think about what he's saying here. So let's get into it. Okay, you got to put it on screen.

Speaker 4: 1:07:27

Oh, hold on. He just sat there and didn't say anything for seven seconds anyway, so Christ takes the sins of the world onto himself.

Speaker 1: 1:07:38

That means all the problems that there are are his problems. Right, okay, okay. So the idea there is that there's no difference between making that assumption and then actually beginning to address those problems, and there's no difference between that which best addresses the problems of mankind and the divine. Those are the same thing, and I can't see how that can be otherwise, because the contrary hypothesis would be that you would adapt best to your life by avoiding things that are difficult and terrifying, and no one believes that. And so the pattern of the passion this is the voluntary self-sacrifice issue taken to its extreme. The pattern of the passion this is the voluntary self-sacrifice issue taken to its extreme. The pattern of the passion is the decision to voluntarily confront and welcome anything that happens to you, no matter what it is, and that's a terrible thing to ask or endeavor to undertake, but well, well, the alternative is to shrink away. Well, the spirit of shrinking away is the divine? It's like. I don't think so, like that, that's all right.

Speaker 3: 1:09:04

What do you guys think he's saying there?

Speaker 4: 1:09:06

I, I don't, I couldn't even begin to tell you because it's just word salad.

Speaker 3: 1:09:10

No, it's not. Yes, it is.

Speaker 5: 1:09:13

I think what he's saying is so, from what I gather, christ, the person of Christ, the historical person of Christ that he believes to be God, took on to himself the role of, and like stepped into the world of suffering. He like bore legitimate suffering, he went into that world, whereas the opposite would be to avoid suffering. Peterson's big thing for a long time has been like resolving that question of evil and suffering in this life, and that's honestly like. The question that has always plagued people's minds is like why does suffering exist, why does evil exist? So I think he's saying the fact that christ enters into that most horrible situations, goes into that realm of suffering as opposed to avoiding it, tells him that he is not only just a unique figure on a historical level, but also god. The fact that he's doing this out of some great action I I think.

Speaker 3: 1:10:08

I think that that's true, but I think what he's saying is the cross is the meaning of life yeah, that I agree, I agree the cross is the meaning of life.

Speaker 3: 1:10:20

Okay. It makes absolutely no sense that if, if it has to be God, because it's so counterintuitive that the way you actually uplift yourself towards heaven is by denying yourself it's by self-sacrifice it's the thing that will actually bring joy to you is to be selfless, which doesn't make any sense. Bring joy to you is to be selfless, which doesn't make any sense. Like if this world, if there is no god, this world should be. Go and do whatever you can to make yourself happy, but for some reason, that leaves you in a pit of hell. No matter who you are like, you end up in an empty pit.

Speaker 3: 1:11:04

If you live life in a selfish way I don't care how many Goddies you got, like the Andrew Tate thing, where it's like I got money and I got girls like you are the most empty, lonely man on earth. The only person that can ever be happy is the person who follows that pattern of the crucifixion in their life. Now, that doesn't have to be as big as the crucifixion. Be as big as the crucifixion. It's these small, minor things that we do throughout our life, where we lay down our lives as a sacrifice because he who denies himself will find himself. It's like you must lose yourself to find yourself. It's the most counterintuitive thing in the world, and I think he has pondered this question for a very long time, and it is the thing that proves Christianity true, like other than the historical evidence. The church, it's the. The very meaning of life comes down to the cross and it's the only thing that makes sense.

Speaker 4: 1:11:58

It doesn't answer whether he believes Christ is is made of the divine essence and substance.

Speaker 3: 1:12:03

Well, I think he's still got a, got a ways to go in his theology. Don't get me. I'm not saying he's Catholic, that's not what I'm saying. He's not even Christian. Well, if you're not Catholic, you're not Christian.

Speaker 4: 1:12:18

Could you say he's even deist? I don't even know.

Speaker 5: 1:12:22

I would say he's deistic. He's definitely making good strides. He's definitely making good strides, and I would probably credit that to his wife praying the rosary diligently for him. He's making good strides. What his question that reminds me of, and what you remind me of, anthony, is have you ever, like either of you, ever had just like a moment where, like the reality of Christ actually being God and actually dying like hit you, and it wasn't just something that you grew up with, but it like actually hit you and you realize, like this is not only like a historical fact, but I'm involved in this.

Speaker 3: 1:12:59

You're asking if I've ever had a personal encounter with Christ which goes so like this is this even comes down to the Protestant understanding of born again? Right, because, yeah, you comes down to the the protestant understanding of born again, right, because, yeah, you, you, you were regenerated at baptism. I actually always wanted to talk to you guys about this. We, we, we tease protestants for this, but there is a moment. Everybody, once they're after the age of reason, has to have an experience of like actually giving their life to christ. And you know, I know it's a cheesy way to say it, it's the protestant way to say it. But, like, you do have to have a personal encounter with the living god in some way where you make a conscious decision.

Speaker 3: 1:13:43

The weight of the weight of salvation weighs up.

Speaker 4: 1:13:46

Like you, know this is a real thing. I don't think if you're trying to describe it as some sort of like regen. No, I'm not saying that's when regeneration happens. No, no, it doesn't even have to be like emotional at all. The nix, nix, nix is it just has to be. At some point you need to make a conscious, like, decision and act of your, your will to to follow christ you've never cried over God Rob. Oh, I can't make it through stations without tearing up.

Speaker 3: 1:14:13

Oh okay, because I have had. I mean, yeah, look, I've broken down in confession, wept over my sins, I've had emotional experiences with God, like I've had very emotional experiences with God, but I don't think they're necessary, like you're saying. But I do think there has to come a point where you have I hate to call it this a born-again experience.

Speaker 4: 1:14:38

It's an experience, so it's not actual regeneration that I wouldn't even, don't even call it an experience, I wouldn't even it's an experience because you are, you're coming to, even if it is just an act of the intellect, and will.

Speaker 3: 1:14:53

You're coming to a place where you're saying in your mind, man, this, this is real, like this really happens. Isn't just not just believing this because my parents told me to?

Speaker 5: 1:15:03

Yeah, it's. We would use the language like when I was a kid growing up in Protestantism and I think this is still applicable like making your religion your own, and I think it's true. That's a good way to phrase it yeah, it's.

Speaker 4: 1:15:16

Paul says I don't know. Kennedy, finna, disavite you crying a papayan.

Speaker 3: 1:15:25

I'm going to speak in tongues if I go on mere Christianity. Oh, that'd be epic. I'm going to speak in tongues if I go on mere.

Speaker 5: 1:15:27

Christianity. Oh, that'd be epic. I think what you're saying, anthony, and I think you guys are actually both saying the same thing. Essentially, you're just kind of speaking a little past each other. It's just ultimately we have to, as adults, come to this point.

Speaker 3: 1:15:41

It rhymes not repeats yeah, no, that's a very inside joke to me. And Rob Holy, what Get that? Holy moly?

Speaker 1: 1:15:48

No, that's a very inside joke to me and Rob what Get that? I don't understand.

Speaker 3: 1:15:53

Me and Jason had a fight when we were in Steubenville, it was because I After a few drinks. It was after a few drinks and I quoted Mark Twain where I'm like history doesn't repeat it rhymes. Jason just goes, so it repeats. I'm like no, it doesn't repeat it rhymes, so it repeats. And he just kept going until I was.

Speaker 5: 1:16:12

It was about 15 minutes of them eventually just yelling at each other while mark and I are just like what's going on honestly, knowing both you, anthony and jason, I don't know if I could like be in that same room oh this, like this happened, like I would feel so, just not included in any conversation, I would just leave you should be in a group chat with them.

Speaker 4: 1:16:32

Have I, have I ever had a?

Speaker 3: 1:16:34

nemesis. If I ever had a nemesis, it's jason yeah, honestly, I can see that a legit nemesis, it's jason. Jason is my nemesis but I love him with my whole heart. Like he drives me absolutely insane, but I love him. All right, go ahead, nick, I'm sorry we cut you off.

Speaker 5: 1:16:51

No, you're fine, yeah, no, like everybody has to just come to this point in their life where they say, okay, this idea that Christ existed and died on the cross and rose from the dead, these aren't just like precepts that I grow up with. Like this is real, eternity is real, christ is real, his death was real and my choice matters. Whether that's accompanied by emotions or not, I think misses the point. It's just in that moment. Where do we decide? Do we decide for Christ or against Christ?

Speaker 5: 1:17:23

And I think we have all these little moments, if you will, throughout the course of life, cause I'm reminded of like there's's again, there's just moments where I'll be going through my day and I'll recognize, like when we say jesus died on the cross, like do we know what we're saying and does? And it's not that we're, we have to feel this emotion with it, but it's just like we say these things 2 000 years removed from the cross, so lightly because they're part of our vernacular, that we lose sometimes the weightiness, the appropriate weightiness that happens to me at mass every week, when I receive right, like I had I had a very real uh moment with the eucharist when I was younger and to my conversion, like actually understanding, especially with the early church.

Speaker 3: 1:18:09

Like the early church believed the sacraments did what they said. They believed they did so when they went forth and baptized people. Like they truly believed regeneration happened when they would give people the body of Christ like they truly like. It's like like receiving the Eucharist doesn't make you holy in and of itself. It just kind of makes it possible, right, like it's, it makes holiness possible. It doesn't like really, but like I go to mass every week. My mind's wandering sometimes and and I'm forgetting that I'm supposed to be present at Calvary at mass, and you know it's it. It's one of those, one of those things like you're saying you're, you're totally removed 2000 years from these events. But that's the point of mass, it's supposed to recall you to it. Even at mass, I'm so distracted Sometimes I'm like I it's, it's a, it's a. It's why we're supposed to spend time in prayer and meditation, because mass will be more meaningful for you, and especially in our current time where I'm constantly on Twitter, that's really what's probably screwing me up.

Speaker 5: 1:19:16

Yeah, it reminds me of. I want him to come on the show whenever he gets a chance. With Brian Holdsworth he did this excellent video recently called the Protestant Work Ethic. You guys should check it out. It's like 14 minutes long, pretty short, but basically the whole gist of the video is that if you were to ask yourself what is the most important thing to you in your life, right, some people would say maybe their family. Some would say, uh, you know like, uh, their hobbies or whatever. But he says he thinks that for most americans it's work, because when you look at it it's like we devote so much time to work. I mean we literally work for, you know, 40 plus hours a week, nine to five, if you will we go home just to the week their children raised by others, just so they can work exactly, which is how insane is that?

Speaker 5: 1:19:58

straight up marxism, but what it? What all this does, though, is it's like our entire american system and, again, I'm as pro-american as you get, but our entire american system is really antithetical to christianity and antithetical to the human, because, unlike in the catholic system, the medieval system where we have feast days, we have whole weeks off just commemorating, you know, feasts and stuff like that, um, unlike that system, it's just make money. You go to school to learn how to be a good worker. You become a cog in a machine. It's so dehumanizing. I say all just to say, like these great realities of the cross that we think about in mass or in meditation, these need to become our lives, to where we can be transported while we're working. In that situation, and or, if we're prudent, we should be thinking where can I move so I can live in a better situation? Just some thoughts I've been thinking.

Speaker 3: 1:20:49

Yeah, that's oh man. The thing is it consumes so much of our lives but we, most of us, dread being there, so, like it's the most important to me work is is like, uh, to me, work is just the way I provide for my family. So I have I even have brothers like all my brothers work at the same company, right, and I have one of my brothers is miserable there. He hates working there. It's like he just dreads it. His whole existence at work is miserable. And it's because he allows, like the thoughts of, oh, I wasted my life, I didn't have to be a construction worker, I could have done this, I could have done that Like in his mind, like what he could have done, makes him mad at himself. He's like I wasted my life, I'm just a construction worker, I wasted all this.

Speaker 4: 1:21:40

Once again what he could have done. He's thinking about just different kinds of work right.

Speaker 3: 1:21:44

So I, when I talk to him like I think like a big part of why I, me and him have such different outlooks is because I see work as just this is the thing that god gave me to provide for my family.

Speaker 3: 1:22:00

So it's it comes it comes down to being happy with. God gave you right like no matter what, just be no matter what your state in life is, just be content with with. God gave you right. Like no matter what, just be no matter what your state in life is, just be content with what God gave you and you're never looking for something more. So I go to work and I'm I'm like in high spirits. I look forward to talking to the guys at work. I look forward to the relationships I have there.

Speaker 3: 1:22:22

I dread the commute, but I don't dwell on how much I hate being there, where my brother and a lot of the guys that work with dread being there and it ruins their whole. Like you spend so much time at this place and you're allowing this to suck the life out of you and then you go home and you bring that negativity to your family. Yeah, you just do like you can't help it. So, like you're devoted, like what's the most important thing, it's work, because I have to go to work and I spend 80 of my life at this place and then I hate it so much and I go home and I take that negativity and I bring it into my family. It's I have to spend so much effort to not get sucked into that negativity. And then there's a lot of nights where I come home and we do this and it's and you're not up to it.

Speaker 3: 1:23:10

But as soon as I get home, you guys, I always have a good time, but it is hard. I wake up at 4 am and I'm coming here two nights a week hanging out until 9.45 every night with you guys, and then I got to go upstairs and I didn't really see my family today. So it sucks, but they're all means to an end. They're all means to an end. They're all means to. They're the things that God put in front of me that I have to do to provide for my family, because? But the thing that I probably could answer is what's the most important thing in your life? God, exactly, god should be the most important thing in your life, and that's. I could say that because I know it's true and God should be the most important thing in my life, but I don't treat God as though he's the most important thing in my life.

Speaker 5: 1:23:57

Yeah, and that's the thing I mean. I was talking to my students last night and I said the famous line from San Alfonso Liguri where he says like the way you live is the way you die. And it's true. Just like, if we're living in habitual mortal sin, if we're living just to please ourselves, can we really say that when the devil comes after us on our deathbed, that we're going to be disposed?

Speaker 3: 1:24:14

ie pointed just toward God, who knows what if we're not disposed to constant mortal sin? What if we're just not upholding our duties to God regularly, though? Like we're still going to be susceptible to the devil, right? Like like you don't have to be mired in mortal sin. You just have to be distracted enough that god is not on you. Like you're not practicing the presence of god enough you're not praying, you're not like these other things in life. Distract you and hold your attention where your attention is. That's really your.

Speaker 5: 1:24:48

God. Here's this. My students freaked out last night when I told them this. So here's the thing Is prayer good? Let's just say this Is praying the rosary good. Yeah.

Speaker 5: 1:25:01

Yeah, right, it's good. Is it hard for you to pray the rosary? It's getting easier, it's getting easier. Okay, that's good. Now here's the crazy thing. From a purely rational point of view, right, it shouldn't be hard to pursue after something like that. That's good because, since god is goodness itself and this activity is good, rationally speaking, I should do this and I should enjoy this because it's good. But we're so disordered through the vice of spiritual sloth, which is, which is I, have an aversion to spiritual things. Isn't that? It goes to show you how twisted our nature is? We literally have an aversion to something that is objectively good, like, and we would rather go after something else that is a lesser good, that doesn't actually have any real benefit. And again, I'm not against leisure, I'm not against, even, you know.

Speaker 5: 1:25:51

In its proper place, in its proper place, exactly In a proper place. There's nothing wrong with watching YouTube videos, watching some movies, getting on Twitter doing your thing, going on a walk, etc. But my whole point is, if praying your rosary is harder than getting on Twitter, you need God.

Speaker 3: 1:26:08

Come's a. That's not a fair comparison no, it is, it's harder to go on twitter, but it goes to show you just how disordered we are we're disordered, yeah and all of

Speaker 5: 1:26:18

that's gonna be burned up in purgatory like that's it's gonna be burned up in purgatory and I'm not saying it and I'm preaching to myself, because I'm not the twitter doom scroller, but all other social media aspects. I spend way too much time. Well, just any of the modern distractions are just so, so bad man, you get on YouTube and you're just scrolling through shorts Like you waste so much time.

Speaker 3: 1:26:41

But I say all the time, like if I'm talking to guys at work or if I'm talking to atheists, it's like well, let me ask you this If you want nothing to do with God in this life, what makes you think you'll want something to do with him in the next? Like, if you don't want to go to church now, why do you think you're going to all of a sudden want something to do with God when you die? Like you chose your whole life to not involve God, but you think in the next life, all of a sudden, you're going to want something to do with it, like that's, it's just, it's really that simple Right. And it's the same thing, for us.

Speaker 3: 1:27:10

It's the same thing for us, and with prayer, though, it's like all right, I go to mass on Sundays and all right, I talked to you guys twice a week about God. Like I want to sit in prayer for two hours and spend.

Speaker 5: 1:27:29

This is a hard conversation. I don't like this conversation. Why do we do this? But it's also necessary.

Speaker 4: 1:27:34

Blame Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 3: 1:27:35

Yeah exactly Stupid Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 5: 1:27:38

It's all necessary. Because here's the thing y'all Like why do we? Why do like? Do we have an aversion to things that are objectively good? Because that means that we have an aversion to God. Like things that are objectively good? Because that means that we have an aversion to god, like I mean saint I don't know if you guys know the story, saint john vna, he wants. He prayed for years and years and years. He asked god, show me what sin looks like. I want to like see what sin looks like. And he said one day that when he was in the confessional in between penitents, god gave him that grace for five minutes. He was in pure torture because, he said, he was so repulsed at what sin was, he begged God to take it away and the Lord took it away.

Speaker 5: 1:28:14

The whole idea that I'm trying to convey is this we are so messed up and we're so reliant upon our Lord and on our lady that we will go after things that are not even bad, but we'll use them in inordinate ways. So what I'm trying to get to is just saying like. This is one thing I really do like about Peterson. He says if you believe in God, like will you live it. That's what I'm kind of just trying to say, like if we say that we believed that God, that this infinite being, became man and then was tortured to death for you and for I, and then says to you pick, pick up your electric chair, crucify, destroy, shoot, kill, hang your evil desires and follow me. Are we doing that or not? I'm preaching to myself and I think a lot of us don't do that.

Speaker 3: 1:28:59

This is a. This is a hard conversation because the it's easy to, it's easy to look at, like, uh, the, the people who you think are holy because they present that on a like, like your favorite like person creator you know what I mean. Like your favorite creator. You look at and you just think they're living these holy lives and you're like, oh man, they really believe this stuff. It's like I don't know, man, I have so many things I need to work on.

Speaker 3: 1:29:33

Like I don't, I'm not living in mortal sin. Like I'm not living in mortal sin, I promise everybody that like it's not mortal sin, but like these distractions are a very big deal to me, yeah, really bad at it because it, because it's kind of remind it me of two things the saints oftentimes talk about how in temptation, that is where you know your true self, how you react.

Speaker 5: 1:29:55

But that temptation again doesn't have to be with like, hey, look at pornography, it can be. Hey, I can pray or I can.

Speaker 3: 1:30:02

Can I tell you what? Ok, so when you're struggling with sins of the flesh like that, so when you're struggling with sins of the flesh like that, what happens is you think that's your only sin, because you're struggling with this main thing, like I remember years ago when I was going through that, it's like I was in the confessional all the time and it's like one of the problems when you get that out is you don't think you're in sin anymore.

Speaker 3: 1:30:27

Yeah, that's like oh, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not doing that, you know, but it's like no man. There's so many other sins and it should be like like the the the end of mortal sin should be the beginning of the spiritual life. So if, if I'm not, if I'm still having that aversion to prayer now, my spiritual life hasn't begun. So maybe there's still a mortal sin that I'm not seeing. I don't know. It can't be mortal because it's not.

Speaker 5: 1:30:52

Yeah, it could be some great. It could be some some grave venial sin or something. You know that's what a deliberate venial sin. Um, yeah, it could be something like that, and the reason I it's good that you bring this up because again, it's like think about this. A sin is something as simple as I am willfully choosing to be distracted in prayer. That's a venial sin, right. So that would be an example of just something that we give ourselves over to. But when we think about the situation in which we find ourselves in, my question to so many people is if we have an aversion to God right now, then, as you said rightly, what is your state going to be like on your deathbed, like when satan comes a knocking at the end of your life? Are you gonna go with him or are you not?

Speaker 3: 1:31:37

you know, you even think about. Okay, so fine, you die in a state of grace. You're not immortal. Sin like? Do you like? We shouldn't be aiming for purgatory?

Speaker 5: 1:31:43

no, because think about this. This is this is what actually scares me the fact, like saint, like St Alphonsus talks about, he took an oath to never waste time. He took a vow to never waste time throughout the course of his life and he never did. He was fighting for Christ every single moment that he possibly could, and he talks about even when he was dying. That that's whenever the devil started to come after him. But he says this picture this with everything that you could be meriting. You can get a higher place in heaven, you get to be in a greater presence of Christ. If we're just aiming to make it into purgatory, okay, praise be God. We made it to purgatory, we made it to heaven, but you won't be able to be as close to Christ and as close to our lady.

Speaker 3: 1:32:25

Well, look at it like this, Nick. Look at it like this If you were given a cancer diagnosis tomorrow.

Speaker 5: 1:32:30

Yeah, do you accept that Six months? To live or a year to live right.

Speaker 3: 1:32:33

Well, yeah, except the suffering. But would you live the same way, aside from the treatments and things like that? No, you would be looking to build treasure in heaven for that limited time you had left in any way you could.

Speaker 5: 1:32:45

Exactly and you don't know when you're gonna die. That's the thing, people, I mean my this last year I lost both of my grandfathers. Like one of them, I literally was on his deathbed holding his hand. This was this six foot five super handsome navy firefighter back in the day, right, and he was thin his bones, gray skin, all the depictions san alfons is talking about and, like his meditations on death, right, horrible stench in the room. Uh, you know the skeleton slowly being revealed and we're having this final conversation and it came out of nowhere and it's just the reality. People die today, literally. Uh, everyone pray for his soul. A deacon in the institute of christ, the king, died I saw that.

Speaker 3: 1:33:22

How sad was that. Got run over by a tractor yeah, freak accident yeah, freak accident. He got run over by a tractor, a deacon. He was like months away from full ordination young guy in his 20s.

Speaker 5: 1:33:35

Uh, what a sad story, or bishop, bishop tissier de malarae last year. Right, he fell down the stairs and got into a coma and then he died. My whole point isn't to make a scruple, to have a scruples, but to say, like we don't hear from your average priest the reality of death, judgment, heaven, hell enough, and we don't know when we're gonna die and if we're just gonna be sitting around thinking about things like well, you know, sitting on my laurels, we're gonna miss so much opportunity, even if we make it, even just looking at ways to build treasure in heaven, which are doing small acts where you don't seek glory in this life, like just just small acts where you don't brag about your accomplishments, you don't brag like if you brag about twitter yeah, like be a lot.

Speaker 3: 1:34:20

Look a lot of times I like the prayer request, like I'm going to pray my rosary now. What can I pray for like that? You have to be careful with us because you have good intentions, but it's like it's. We have to remember the, the, the parables that jesus told you have to remember when he says do not pray like the pharisees do, waving your, your holiness, in front of everybody. It's, it's not easy, man, especially in the content creation era, when every single person has a twitter account. You want to and every thought comes to your mind you think about tweeting it or everything. It's a it's a dangerous time, but all of us can do little things, little acts of penance for others to build treasure. And I was like you want to have, you want to have some treasure when you get to heaven, not for selfish reasons, but like you just don't want to get there and have nothing. How do you face God having done nothing for him?

Speaker 5: 1:35:18

All of us will have great shame, but the thing is, you will have great shame if you don't get off this episode right now and actually go and try to change your life. That's what I'm trying to get, and I'm preaching to myself as much. I have a lot of issues Like that's what I'm trying to get and I'm preaching to myself as much. I have a lot of issues, and what annoys me the most is the fact that, like we have the saints talk about this all the time Christ gives us the church, he gives us the sacraments, he gives us his literal body that has been mutilated, he gives us the sacred heart in communion. He gives us his mother, she gives us the rosary, and yet here we are still like slandering our brother behind his back gossiping, talking.

Speaker 5: 1:35:57

Shut up, stop, nick. And it's all these things like. It's like what? Uh? When saint john barmao talked about how, he said like oh, you've been engaging in gossip and detraction. It's like a chicken who's lost its feathers all over the city and now you need to go and find every single feather because you need to do restitution for the just the injustice that you've done. My whole point is just like if we're not being serious about the spiritual life, then I, I'm, I'm terrified of the judgment. I don't know if you guys are terrified of hell I've I this oh yeah, no nick I did okay I have like an existential crisis.

Speaker 5: 1:36:29

I I did it because I grew up in protestantism and I'll tell you that, psychological like even after becoming catholic for four years, psychologically I had to get over. Once saved, always safe.

Speaker 3: 1:36:39

It's so I know I, I have moments of despair where I'm just like, oh my gosh, like I'll have to face God. Like I have moments of real despair and it's hard to get out of that sometimes, but like you, just each, because I'm not overly scrupulous, but you do have those moments where you're just like, oh my goodness man, like the way, like if you really knew how God saw your soul, it would like it might shock you to death. You know, if you truly saw the way God sees you, it might shock you to death. Know, if you truly saw the way god sees you, it might shock you to death. You'd have a heart attack, you know, and the only thing I could do in those moments is just like, like run to the mercy of christ. It's like, please, god, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 5: 1:37:21

And those are honestly the moments of despair are probably just graces, like like little electric shocks waking you up, like only if we always lived in that moment.

Speaker 3: 1:37:32

Yeah, my my most recent, my most recent, recent um recent, my most recent, my most recent um like. I had a hiatus from the sacraments a couple years back and it was I had a legit illumination of conscience and vision of my soul in hell.

Speaker 3: 1:37:54

Okay, Christine Watkins, I mean not like that, but like I just saw myself in hell, like I really did. I saw myself. My wife thought I lost my mind, like she thought I went crazy. I was like, and I it was a hundred percent our lady, because it was a very interesting thing where me and my brother and my cousin and my other brother all watch something on Fatima in the same week.

Speaker 3: 1:38:18

I remember that all of us were away from the sacraments and all of us saw this thing on Fatima in this week and it wasn't like something new.

Speaker 3: 1:38:24

It was something from years ago. It was like the Christopher Farrar documentary on Fatima and all of us called each other and were like I'm going to confession Saturday, I'm going back to mass Sunday. All of us went to confession, all of us went back to mass and we all then found the Latin mass together and it was a very, very great time. But yeah, it was a vision of my soul in hell.

Speaker 5: 1:38:46

Yeah, that's. I mean honestly that's St Alphonsus talks about how like of the four last things. It's sad, but like hell is the thing that typically gets people woken up and or judgment, and I think about this all the time. I told my students one time like so I teach eighth grade students, right, and especially in the beginning of the weeks they like to goof off, they all go to the public school and stuff like that. But when they realize like oh, I'm in a different type of class, this is one of those angry trads, they get the fear of God shocked into them. Because I'll tell them straight up and this is the same thing for this audience. What reams me great joy is knowing that there are many people in this classroom, in this audience, who will one day be with God in heaven. But there are people who are in this chat and who are in my class who, unfortunately, will most likely end up in hell based off of the way that they're living.

Speaker 4: 1:39:38

Jim Russell, are you in this chat?

Speaker 5: 1:39:39

It's not.

Speaker 3: 1:39:41

You're gossiping about your brother. It makes me feel bad about the whole beginning of this episode but it's real.

Speaker 5: 1:39:46

It's like, are we like I mean again, the whole beginning of this episode. But it's real. It's like, are we like? I mean again, like hell is real, I'm not special. That's what I believed growing up in protestantism. When you believe in one saved, always saved, you think you're special because you, you walk down the aisle, you pray the prayer. But then when you become catholic really actual, actual catholicism and you get woken up, you realize like okay, god loves me, but I'm not special. Like like there's nothing, there's no label on nick that says okay.

Speaker 3: 1:40:12

So my friend bobby has this uh quote that he shared with us when we were um in italy, and I posted it the other day. There are two types of people when christ comes back those who are surprised they are saved, and those who are surprised they are not. So that's a good quote. Did he make that quote up? I don't think so, but I pretend that I came up with it. Dude, I posted that in the protestants on the third category, those who are not surprised they're saved. It's like dude, dude, you, what are you saying? Dude, you don't even know what you're saying.

Speaker 5: 1:40:46

Like you don't have any fear of god, like saint paul literally says in first corinthians 4 4. I'm not aware on my conscience of anything grave, and yet I am in fear of the judgment. He says in chapter 9. He says come up, I put second corinthians 9 27 oh, there you go. There's a catholic knowing his bible. Are you thinking of 1 Corinthians 927? 1 Corinthians 927. Where he's talking about chastising him.

Speaker 4: 1:41:12

There's a Catholic knowing his Bible.

Speaker 5: 1:41:14

I chastise my body. He got the category books right. I chastise my body.

Speaker 3: 1:41:21

For fear that I will have preached and then been disqualified myself, like I am chastising myself Out out of fear that I will have preached the gospel and then myself been disqualified.

Speaker 4: 1:41:35

Do your aims. As it way, I chastise my body and bring it into subjection Less perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.

Speaker 5: 1:41:44

Yeah, castaway. You know what that word for castaway is.

Speaker 3: 1:41:47

Reprobate.

Speaker 5: 1:41:49

Reprobate. That's the crazy thing. And again, people don't talk about this. They don't want to talk about this, as Trump would say they don't want to talk about it, but I'll talk about it. They don't want to talk about predestination. Predestination is a Catholic doctrine. God does predestinate a certain number of people to be saved, and while we don't believe that god predestinates people to hell, reprobation is also a catholic doctrine. It's the doctrine that says god withholds his grace from some people and they go to hell. Now why he does that? You can get into the schools of why they debate.

Speaker 3: 1:42:22

That whole point is this though god is serious, and it okay, it's not just that, like God's God, people get God's wrath and his mercy mixed up, like when, when, when bad things happen to you in your life, that's not God's wrath, that's God's mercy, calling you back to him. God's wrath is actually him, leaving you to your own devices.

Speaker 5: 1:42:43

Yeah. Letting you turn into the monster you are yes.

Speaker 3: 1:42:45

Like God's wrath is the monster you are. Yes, like god's wrath is oh, you want that, go after it. There you go, I'm not gonna even let bad consequences happen to you, yeah, and you'll make your own hell out of it. You'll just fall so far away from him that you will not eat, like you will then have. You will then call evil good and good evil. Like that God's wrath, where men are sleeping with men and women with women. Like that is literally God's wrath. Go read Romans.

Speaker 5: 1:43:13

Exactly God's wrath is. You turn away from him and he allows you to sink into the sea. That's exactly what it is and that's scary. That's why all of us should be. I like how you used the phrase in your story. Like you guys just ran back to the sacraments Ran. I like how you use the phrase in your story. Like you guys just ran back to the sacraments. We just have to. We have to literally just run and like like the woman with the disease, cling to the, to the garment of Christ. Don't let me go.

Speaker 3: 1:43:39

Dude, this one, the being. I see, rob, I know you hate the Peterson clips man.

Speaker 4: 1:43:43

No, no, no, no, no. Do not justify the Peterson Clips Listen to me. No, no, no, no, no. This was all Nick. This was all Nick. No, it's not Listen. I always know it was not Jordan.

Speaker 3: 1:43:52

Peterson, I always know where I want to lead the discussion a little bit, you know. So, like tonight, we were going to talk the Francis thing with the trans, but I knew that wasn't like a, was pretty good looking but I knew it wasn't a meaty conversation. It's like, honestly, it's like all right, francis thinks we're nuts, who cares whatever? Like who cares what this guy thinks? At this point, how much longer could there be like we're just sticking out. He fell today. I'm sitting there with the popcorn.

Speaker 4: 1:44:29

Just remember God's wrath is actually his mercy, anthony.

Speaker 5: 1:44:34

Oh, I sort of believe that Francis and all of the stuff since the 60s is the wrath of God, because St John Yates talked about how good priests are the sign of God's great love and favor upon a holy people, and wicked priests are a sign of his chastisement upon a wicked and rebellious people. I just I don't.

Speaker 3: 1:44:52

So I I figured that beginning conversation would just be something we goof about a little bit. It's like, all right, we're all mentally unstable, like he just doesn't understand us. It's really what it comes down to. He and I've noticed this about a lot of between right and left. All the time he's a boomer, the right. The right makes a caricature of what a leftist is and a, and the left makes a caricature of what they think the right is. It's just, he just has a caricature version of trads in his mind because he's he's on, he's on the other side. Like it's just what we do, right? So we just kind of have to wait for this period to be over and we'll see what happens next.

Speaker 3: 1:45:33

But I knew it wasn't like a good conversation. I figured the Knowles thing was going to be. I think that was a good. I'm going to cut that segment up because I think that's a really good segment. But I thought coming to the other side to do the Peterson thing thing, because I thought it would lead into a theological discussion and it's like that. I honestly that's kind of why I love doing this show with you guys, because we do the goofy thing but we do have some really deep conversations here, man like we need to.

Speaker 5: 1:46:02

Yeah, because it's just. I mean, it's one of those things I'm glad all of us are in the same boat like it. Just it keeps me up at night sometimes where I'm just like where, where are, where is my soul? You know?

Speaker 3: 1:46:12

we should all ask that question yeah, dude, this was a good one man. I think I the last bunch of shows we did were really good shows, so I hope everybody else is enjoying what we're doing here uh, when does um?

Speaker 5: 1:46:24

oh, what's his name? Uh, joshua charles.

Speaker 3: 1:46:26

Come back on tuesday, tuesday okay, that's what I was thinking Tuesday. So we got Joshua on Tuesday. You're with us for that. Me and Nick are going to do an inauguration show Monday. It'll be fun, rob. We're going to give him a political reprieve that day If the teenager happens, then I'll jump on.

Speaker 3: 1:46:44

But I'm off on Monday so me and Nick might do a live inauguration broadcast. We're going to figure it out, but me and Nick will definitely do something on Monday and if the weather stays bad in New York my uncle may shut down. He's shutting down Tuesday. I'm taking my kids snowboarding. If it's still as cold on Wednesday, I may be off on Wednesday. If that's the case, I'm going to try and get, like Mark lambert or somebody from england, to come on like that. The time thing doesn't work. Maybe, father maudsley, we should have the father maudsley see what he's up to you can always try charles cologne.

Speaker 4: 1:47:19

I would want you both there for that. I know that would be what I want you both there for that one one.

Speaker 5: 1:47:24

Oh, what's his name? Uh, the pipe cottage. Rob that guy from the pipe cottage.

Speaker 3: 1:47:28

You know what I'm talking about is that the guy with the really funny accent? That that?

Speaker 5: 1:47:31

real, perfect southern accent. He couldn't say I want, I will talk to you like yes, I love that guy, I love that, I want, I want him to come on colonel sanders.

Speaker 4: 1:47:44

What are the 11 secret herbs?

Speaker 5: 1:47:47

of course. Um, I want him to come on because I'm serious, I want to do a legit two hour stream one day on the true history of the civil war, just that topic. People, you think he knows that topic? Well, oh, no, no. Yeah, he's in the same category as I am on that, so he'd be that might be a good show that maybe we'll reach out oh great, there goes another email to a diocese we do, uh, we are okay.

Speaker 5: 1:48:12

So, uh, taylor marshall's coming back on too um, are you gonna allow me to be on with that one? I've never. I don't know if you saw your last video, bro, I don't even blast what did you say, nick?

Speaker 3: 1:48:24

I don't have the last one. He did it a few weeks back, a few months back, really. He called all of us to repent of our gossip.

Speaker 5: 1:48:34

To be fair. To be fair, I did not get drunk and call him a douche on live stream.

Speaker 4: 1:48:40

To be fair, Anthony hasn't either. He just does that to Matt Frat.

Speaker 3: 1:48:45

You guys gotta understand you gotta let me come on.

Speaker 5: 1:48:47

I wanna talk to him at least once before I die um, you'll definitely be on for taylor.

Speaker 3: 1:48:54

Um, it was. Listen, it wasn't that I didn't want you on for calvin, it was that I wanted to just be able to talk to calvin.

Speaker 5: 1:49:00

It wasn't like I don't want nick here for this.

Speaker 3: 1:49:02

I know it made sense because I probably would have been like kind of semi steamy and been like dude, I know you we know you I know you, nick, I know and I know, like you, you don't have the temperament to allow things to slip by like yeah I know like I saw it with jeff that night. We're in jeff you were just like miserable, like just sitting there listening to this guy with his novus ordo hey stuff.

Speaker 5: 1:49:27

You were just like I was trying to be nice to him. I was trying, I know you were trying. I was trying to be charitable.

Speaker 4: 1:49:35

You know what we need to do. We need to take a clip from this where Anthony says I did not call Matt Frat a douche and then clip in the part where he calls Matt Frat a douche.

Speaker 3: 1:49:47

That would actually be an amazing short. And then we got to give that we'd have to run it by him and make sure he's okay with it, like like run it by make sure he's okay with it, but it would be a freaking no, you know what we do.

Speaker 4: 1:49:57

We give it a thursday and be like thursday, have matt like. I'll give this to matt and have him do like call me a douchebag.

Speaker 3: 1:50:06

You guys see this douchebag, anthony really nice mate real nice one. Uh, all right, let's wrap this up. I gotta go upstairs, I gotta get to bed oh, this is a fun one man.

Speaker 4: 1:50:20

I love you boys yeah, and just so everyone knows it is, it is likely this will still be on the the podcast and spirit juice Cause. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:50:29

You look, I'm not the one worried, you're the one that's worried. I don't care what this guy says about me. I don't care what he hears about me. Oh, like, honestly, I may give him my my work phone number. Let him call my boss, let's see what happens. That's funny. I don't. There's nothing he can do to me, there's nothing, oh brother, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:50:58

Yeah, I can't believe you guys. Mrs Casey said she's giving us up for Lent. I'll kill her. I'll kill that woman. She's not giving us up for Lent. Look, you should actually binge. Watch us as a penance for Lent, exactly which Jim is doing right now. Jim's going back and watching all our old episodes. He's a dickhead man. He loves us. He's our biggest fan. Yeah, we're going to have to tell Jason to watch this Locals episode.

Speaker 4: 1:51:28

Oh no, I'm going to cut that part out and make it a clip. That would be funny.

Speaker 3: 1:51:32

All right, I got to go to bed. Come on, let's go Wrap it up. We'll see you guys on Tuesday. Oh, me and Nick will see you Monday. Mm-hmm, thank you.