Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
A Hierarchy at War
What if the ups and downs of life could be reframed as stepping stones to personal growth? In this episode, we embark on a rollercoaster of emotions and insights, beginning with a whimsical twist on holiday greetings and a candid discussion on church drama, including the buzz around Nick Fuentes. Our guest shares a heartfelt and humorous story of heartbreak and resilience, offering wisdom on navigating life's challenges with authenticity and grace. We reflect on how personal stories not only entertain but also inspire us to make decisions for ourselves, rather than for others.
As the conversation unfolds, we confront the darker side of online interactions, exploring the tragic consequences of doxing and anonymity, all while analyzing the appeal of controversial humor. The irony of online behavior and the cult mentality surrounding certain figures like Nick Fuentes come into sharp focus, leading to a broader discussion on societal impacts. Amid these serious topics, we lighten the mood with a humorous road trip tale and musings on naming children, blending laughter with introspection as we explore the complex world of online culture and its real-world repercussions.
We then shift our focus to the evolving landscape of the Catholic Church, discussing gender roles, syncretism, and the launch of an innovative cardinal profile website. This episode wraps up with a heartwarming Christmas message, reflecting on the power of our podcast to touch lives and encourage spiritual growth.
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Speaker 2:So this whole last holiday season I didn't let out one Merry Christmas, that's true. Instead I said may the birth of the one and only true God, and only true God, jesus Christ, bestow a blessing of grace and peace upon your household, to the belittlement of every other false religion lest you be gay. That's what I say. I'm going to do that unironically, uniron, like ironically, I'm just gonna start greeting people during the christmas season, like that oh man dude, what are we gonna?
Speaker 2:do. Tonight we're so conflicted. Listen, we had I have like seven stories of bishops saying different things and then somebody goes and tries to whack nick fuentes and if there's one thing we cannot, resist resist on this show. It is a good fuentes shot listen, the thing is um all right. Well, first let's get promos out. Everybody, please hit, like and subscribe. Our subscribers are still down. I't know why we were doing so good for so long and then I don't know, I don't care.
Speaker 3:Then people, I guess, got.
Speaker 2:They just figured out. We say the same thing every episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, I heard this joke already.
Speaker 2:We just became a known quantity is what happened.
Speaker 3:You believe Nicole had the nerve to tell me that show last night, the show on tuesday, it was boring I'm like this is why you're not allowed to watch my show like her critiques are like to be fair it's pretty boring, right to be honest, like I can only live vicariously through your trip to italy, like so much bud well, that's why we said one episode, we get it out, like, yeah, we got it out, we get it out in one episode and we and we do it. That's it, it's a wrap listen, I'll tell you what if the usccb hired that guy that is true.
Speaker 2:You know what man should?
Speaker 3:we just scrap, scrap the I think so, because one church drama does suck. Two, it's all old church. It's like a week old. At this point you were just in italy.
Speaker 2:I, I would, I might, I might try and talk her into doing something. I gotta see, I don't know. I gotta see, maybe I'll get her on here. Um, okay, so yeah, everybody, hit, like and subscribe. Um, also, oh man, is she listening? She just texted me. She might have heard that. Oh no, are you okay? I don't know. She heard me or she's watching?
Speaker 3:I mean you talk loud enough where she definitely could have heard you.
Speaker 2:I am pretty loud all right, I guess we're scrapping it.
Speaker 3:We'll change the thumbnail I already have the thumbnail made that is true, um, man.
Speaker 2:So all right, um, the other thing is uh, we got these fancy yeti cups, which I love. This thing, dude. I take it to work every day with me. I went home and I wash it off and I put my tea in it for the show. It's an amazing Yeti cup Keeps my coffee hot all day.
Speaker 3:For the record. For legal purposes it is not a, yet it's not a Yeti, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's a Yeti. I mean, you guys know what it is.
Speaker 3:Oh, here's worst nightmare, it's a really good it's a really good coffee cup.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, so I guess we're changing. I guess which oh man, you guys for the newbies that we do this a lot.
Speaker 3:I'm just. I'm sorry we try like hold on what was one of the first comments tonight. Let's see here this one good evening everyone. Should we place bets on how long the lead will remain buried?
Speaker 2:well, you all lose.
Speaker 3:You all lose because we won't get to it at all okay.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is also, I have to get up early in the morning, so I don't uh, I've been up since 2 30 am, so if we could keep it shorter, yeah, it's gonna, it's just, but we're doing a show monday on monday, so we weren't going to do a tuesday show because yeah, so we weren't going to do a show Tuesday because it's Christmas Eve. So instead should we read his tweet.
Speaker 3:Maybe towards the end.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we're going to interview a guy who we were supposed to have once before Stood us up once already.
Speaker 2:Stood us up, but he has an amazing story. It's very unique, very unique, and he wrote a tweet today talking about how his ex got an abortion without telling him Like he thought he was marrying this girl. They were engaged to be married and she just ended it and ended the pregnancy too, and he just talks about some of the heartache that he went through and he wanted to unalive himself from it. So, yes, yes, the homeless guy with the bike who got the flat tire. But, like, the more I hear from this guy, the more interested I am in him and I was gonna just blow it off. And when I saw that tweet today, I just texted him today. I'm like listen, let's figure this thing out, because I I want to dig into that story and I kind of want to just hear from this guy and he just seems like he's going to be an interesting interview.
Speaker 3:Yes, the homeless guy, um, so um, all right, thank you, michael, I will try to do that.
Speaker 2:We will forget, but I will try here's why the fuentes thing is so interesting to me, because um first off, I I don't think should should we?
Speaker 3:some people in the one don't know who he is too, don't know what happened so maybe we should.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, let's give a little backstory. So, um nick fuentes, you have that. You actually his tweet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's pull up his tweet so we'll go through this, and then we do have the actual police report too okay.
Speaker 2:So last night an armed killer made an attempt on my life at my home, which was recently doxxed on this platform. So somebody on x doxxed him, right. Uh, the gunman carried a pistol, crossbow and incendiary device. I believe he intended to kill me. He is now dead. I am okay. So when he first put this out, everybody was like this can't be real right, because two weeks, some crazy chick went to his old blue haired lady went to his house and he pepper sprayed her.
Speaker 2:So there was police video body cam footage that just came out that he was getting arrested or at least they were questioning him and stuff. So like I didn't know if this was related to that or what the hell was going on and then, like this, tweet it it's like he is now dead.
Speaker 3:I'm okay, it's like you're gonna. You're gonna end with that like did you kill him? Did like?
Speaker 2:how was he dead? Yeah, and look how long between tweets it was like 59 minutes ago, then 46 minutes. Yeah, it was like 13 minutes now.
Speaker 3:I'm like yeah, he was probably shook up, like you know what?
Speaker 2:that's true? Yeah, he's now dead, I okay, so let's screw up Crossbow.
Speaker 3:Did Blade try to kill him? Yeah, Wesley Snipes man.
Speaker 2:There's video to this. Like this is not nothing. So, according to police, the would-be assassin committed a triple homicide in Southern Illinois early, so this guy killed three people early yesterday, before he arrived at my doorstep.
Speaker 2:It looks like his sister and parents With his pistol drawn, calling my name. I'm grateful to God that I'm still alive today. Tragically, the gunman broke into a neighbor's home to evade police and killed their two dogs. While heartbreaking, it could have been so unimaginably worse. God have mercy. Doxing is not a game. The nihilistic lynch mob behavior must end before anyone else is killed.
Speaker 3:Now we'll get to that last sentence eventually. I got a lot to say about that last sentence, but let me go to the police report Because this does look like completely legit. It really does.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not so alleged.
Speaker 3:I'm having a hard time reading that. You want read that, rob. Yeah, so, uh, this is from the the berwin. Berwin police department, um, illinois state police investigate fatal shooting in berwin near the 1800 block of home avenue. So if he wasn't doxxed, he sure as the heck is now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, but on december 18th, so that's yesterday, uh, last night, uh, at approximately 11 38 pm, bear, when police officers responded to the 1800 block of home avenue for repair a report of a male subject with a gun. Responding officers located said subject, who then fled on foot and successfully escaped from police officers. The subject then forced entry into residence on the 1800 block of Winona Avenue, so it must be like the street over same block, but street over where he fatally shot two dogs. Officers then observed the offender fleeing eastbound into a yard on the 1800 block of home Avenue, so he looks like he went back towards Fuentes. The subject disobeyed the officer's verbal commands to stop and proceeded to shoot at police officers. Barrowin police officers returned fire and fatally struck the subject. No officers were injured during this incident.
Speaker 3:Early reports indicate that the offender was wanted for a triple homicide committed in Mahomet, illinois, earlier in the day on December 18th. Holmett, illinois, earlier in the day on december 18th. This incident has been turned over to the illinois state police. Public integrity uh uh considered ongoing activation or investigation.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's basically it so everything nick said in his post is pretty much corroborated in that police report. Um, if so, now the footage. Yeah well, so bring his tweets back up. He also talks about how he has to relocate. Now he's got to move.
Speaker 3:I didn't get that part of the tweet, but yeah, that was the end of the thread. Was him saying now he has to relocate?
Speaker 2:He has to relocate. I mean, clearly he does. Too many people know his address at this point. But the thing is, should we just go through all of his stuff and then bring up some of his past things of him encouraging people to dox people, because like that's the irony of this whole thing?
Speaker 3:so let's, let's play the video I have not listened to the audio, so if there, just says yo nick.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's encouraging if there is.
Speaker 3:I apologize, but so, first off, I I've been looking, I've been looking at this video trying to yeah, so what you see him put down there, that is a little handheld crossbow. Honestly, that thing. Probably like I wouldn't be too worried about that, but I can't figure out what type of gun he's holding. Um, I really don't know. It almost looks almost like a compressed air, uh sort of pistol or, worst case, like maybe it's a 22, like a ruger, uh, someone in our telegram suggested maybe a ruger mark 4 with, like I don't know, some little ring attachment on the back.
Speaker 2:It's just very weird, but anyways yeah, I don't know guns that well, so I'm I have to go by your word. You know, like I really I can't for me to sit there and say, yeah, it looks like a gun. I'd be talking out like you know what. So, yeah, I I really don't know. I mean, he's clearly armed, yes, you know, and he killed two dogs with whatever gun that is right and we so.
Speaker 3:I haven't looked too much into it, but nothing I've seen says how we killed um, the three other people, um, you know, I think, his family, uh, whether it was with that gun or something else. But now.
Speaker 2:Did he take his own life or did the cops kill him?
Speaker 3:the cops? It sounds like the cop shot okay so whatever he was shooting at them with they felt was real enough to justify.
Speaker 2:I mean, but even if he raised that thing right justified, because there's no red big. Thing in front of it, you know.
Speaker 3:I mean. So that that's.
Speaker 2:I think there's a longer version out there, but yeah there's a longer version where he he actually yells yo nick like he's knocking on the door and he yells yo nick yeah, and I think that was only like 30 seconds longer so, um, yeah, so nick talks about how he has to leave.
Speaker 2:Now the uh, the. The crazy thing is, um, I've seen the groipers, docs people, man, and they do it heartlessly. They do it without any mercy. They think it's the funniest thing in the world to go and expose somebody's personal info. I mean, look, we did this even with um, with, uh, what's her name? Uh, the religious hippie. It's like people's families got to be off limits and especially the groipers are like they're out there representing the catholic label, like they try to right they all you know they're most of them are Pope's planers and stuff and they're out there saying that they're, yeah, in in their behavior, absolutely Right. They act like they are BLM activists when it comes to this stuff. So, like I've, I've, I've I've seen clips of Nick where I think Nick is hilarious. I think some of his takes are funny. I've always had like a soft spot for him. I think think nick is hilarious. I think some of his takes are funny. I've always had like a soft spot for him. I think he is a funny guy.
Speaker 3:I I think the behavior of the groipers is reprehensible at times and then this last week making jokes about like raping 14 year old yeah, essentially like abusing children and people's daughters.
Speaker 2:Then they did that thing to luigi, where they found his wife's instagram and his instagram. His wife's Instagram is pretty innocent, it wasn't even like, and the things they were saying about his wife, I'm just like, if somebody did that to me, like I would, just I would. So that's the thing. I don't know what Nick actually denounces, you know, and I saw these kids actually bragging on there, going until Nick tells us to back down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, people like Pines, wagner, classical theists, would be like guys, this, this isn't how catholics act. And yeah, exactly what you said a lot of koi person. Until nick tells me to stop, I'm not going to stop yeah, it's just I.
Speaker 2:I mean it's. It's not. It's not okay to go after people's families. Man, it's just not like you can't just go after a guy's wife because she has a skirt on that comes above her knee. It's like this is not behavior. It's just awful behavior. When they went after the religious hippie's husband, same thing I mean. Look part of it is you're putting your family out there. You got to understand some blowback is going to come your way from it. You're putting your family out there. You got to understand some blowback is going to come your way from it. But there's also just the viciousness of anonymity. Like a lot of these guys are just the frog PFP and something groper in their name and they will do the most heinous things and they will dox people. And Rob, you have something of nick actually telling people to dock someone, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, and I I know what his defenders are going to say about this clip, but let's play it anyways, um it's uh, is that cursing in it? Because it is I would have yeah, it going to be brash, probably cursing. I'm going to try to get to. Let's see. Yeah, let's just try here.
Speaker 1:I don't care what they.
Speaker 3:Whoa, he has got the worst audio in the world. You ever notice that Where's?
Speaker 2:the me. I have the worst setup.
Speaker 1:Doing their personal lives.
Speaker 3:As long as they're here to dox hillbilly, as long as they are, soldiers, look he's basically saying he doesn't care if the, if groipers are gay, as long as they dox more or less normie republicans, which he calls hillbillies.
Speaker 1:But let's, yeah don't care how gay they are, as long as they're my loyal cult members that give me money. Doc's hillbillies when I give the command. As long as my gay followers are loyal cultists, who will give me money and Doc's hillbillies when I say so, and they will destroy uh wigness.
Speaker 3:All right, you know I'm so, so, effing, sick of people going. It's obvious irony. Oh, it's just a joke. Shut the f up like seriously I am.
Speaker 2:So I think it's funny though. That's the thing. But it's not funny if he's actually telling them to dox people like it's not funny, but like I do see why people find him funny, that it's just.
Speaker 3:I see why people find him funny, that's all funny is the whole gay thing probably isn't even a joke, that's probably just true um, yeah, I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm.
Speaker 2:I shouldn't be laughing, but the thing is Well, let's go back to the last part of his tweet here. Yeah.
Speaker 3:According to him, doxing is not a game. Hear that, guys. It's not a game, it's not a joke. Yeah well, it's never a joke when the mob comes to you and honestly, who is more of a nihilistic lynch mob than the freaking groipers that you could not pick three better words to describe groipers the nihilistic lynch mob the.
Speaker 2:The thing is, it's things are always funny when they happen to other people, and then, when they happen to you, it's not funny anymore, it's just he he jokes about people being gay all the time, but yet someone says, oh, that looks like him in a video with Destiny.
Speaker 3:And oh my gosh, it's Calumny.
Speaker 2:now it's just the way it is. But look, the thing is, nobody should like it's. I know I'm so caught because I have a very dark sense of humor and I don't. I don't think I should be laughing at this stuff. Let's see these times on. Changes in 42 hours of driving screwed me up just too dead. Bobby made it to Arizona safely, thank God he had a little accident on the way.
Speaker 3:His brother's hood snapped up and smashed the windshield of the car.
Speaker 2:He didn't have an easy ride there but he did get there safely. I'm happy for that. Yeah, this is it's just look. Part of me likes to defend him because I do think things are so ridiculous that you have to just poke fun at them and make fun of them. But I never found doxing funny. I just never did. I always thought it was over the line and people get hurt doing it.
Speaker 2:Irony, poisoning is the weapon of the effeminate. It allows them to escape responsibility for their opinions. But there is an aspect of humor in poking at the thing you're not supposed to poke at, in poking at the thing you're not supposed to poke at. So originally I thought some of the, the the people of the old Testament humor was funny because it was so risque and like nobody else was doing it. Then some of the, the the racial humor he had I thought was really funny because it was stuff like it was just obvious humor. But then once it becomes like mainstream, like I was dude, I was watching a video today, myron from Fresh and Fit raging about how the Jews brought degeneracy they brought their pornography. The guy hosts a podcast. That is literally degeneracy, having only fans girls. Dude, you're actually going to criticize them when you're actually going to criticize them when you're doing the exact same thing. Like I don't understand the mental disconnect in guys that do stuff like that is bizarre to me.
Speaker 3:It's. I mean, it's kind of the new, like you said. Now it's kind of the risque in thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's. It's becoming trendy to just talk about them, you know. So like that makes me want to not talk about them, like I it's. It's one thing to know, okay, like you have to be careful, neocon, but there's another thing to just jump on the bandwagon because everybody else is talking about it and like it's the in thing to do. It almost becomes cliche and boring at that point. Um, saint alphonsus, uh, would not find nix fell now funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree yeah, I mean so with the whole, the whole irony thing like what happened to let your sbs and your noby know, like why can you not just say what you mean?
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, because I I'm very sarcastic too, right right, but you.
Speaker 3:But it's not literally everything yeah, yeah and I yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2:I just I don't want to be a hypocrite about things like. I'm very sarcastic a lot of the time.
Speaker 3:You know how sarcastic I am on this show. Three quarters of what I say is just ripping into you most of the time. You know how sarcastic I am on this show. Three quarters of what I say is just ripping into you most of the time.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is, people get, people get it's. It's funny in some contexts, but like it can go overboard. I have. I have gotten people mad at me because of my sarcasm. I'm always trying to make the joke, I'm always trying to be funny. I mean, even when we were doing the name thing, like I posted that clip. Like when I went back and listened to the clip of the name thing, it's like you're going to name your daughter that and I'm like, no, don't name your kid. It's like what if you choose that name? Like it was just mean.
Speaker 3:That name is literally on our list, by the way.
Speaker 2:No of, I was just going for the joke of it, but groperism basically spreads organized naturalism, which is the main error of Judeo-Masonry. I have to think about that for a second. Groperism spreads organized Kennedy. Why don't you try and go and be all smart on me. Organized naturalism, which is the main error of Judeo-Masonry. Kennedy's supposed to come on. I talked to him today. I called him and, uh, I'm like what are you coming on? He's like well, you know, I'm like dude, are you kidding me? Like when are you going on?
Speaker 3:like stop well, just tell him we'll talk about his book and he'll I told him don't show his book until he comes on okay, sorry, we'll cut that, don't show his book until he comes on I'll edit that out, no problem.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, his book until he comes on. I'll edit that out, no problem. Yeah, so I think All right. So here's my hope for this. I'm hoping the Groypers see this.
Speaker 3:Realize that it's a wake up call.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a bit of a wake up call, like there's something seriously unfunny about exposing somebody's personal life in the age of the Internet. There are life in the age of the internet. There are mentally ill people out there. The first one started off as a light little thing. This crazy older woman with blue hair went to his house and nick had to go out and pepper spray her. It starts off silly and then it winds up being somebody shows up with a freaking crossbow and a gun. Like that's not funny. You know there's. There's nothing humorous about that. This guy's got to literally move up, like pack up his whole life and move. Now because of it.
Speaker 2:There has to be a line, and especially us as Catholics and if we're anonymous on the internet. Like there's something very dangerous about being anonymous on the internet, because when you can say things without any accountability, it is a temptation there to say the most awful thing. And I see it. I see it in people I like doing it Like I. There's a lot of accounts that I like and because they're anonymous, they'll go and say things they would never say if their name was up on there. You know, that's why I always put my name up there, like from the beginning. I always had my name, my first name and my real picture up there. It's good, but it's dangerous, exactly it's. It's tempting to you know and who. For me, I know people will be able to find me, if they ever.
Speaker 2:I mean it'll take you five minutes to find out who I am, where I live, I'm probably especially when you you know, post your address on twitter my address online, but we don't have enemies like that, so it's not that dangerous we might answer this show this show.
Speaker 2:But that's the other thing. Like we have held back from criticizing Fuentes and the Groypers out of fear that they because I've seen what they'll do yeah, so it's like I've had, I've had opinions about criticizing Nick and I've held back on them, maybe when I seen he's gone too far, just because it's like who the hell wants to deal with. The groin was trying to find out where you live and then go in and see if they can access your wife's Instagram account. Like who wants that? It's just they're like toxic. That Mexican kid is going to attack Rob.
Speaker 3:There's not many up here, though.
Speaker 2:You live in the middle of nowhere, You're all right, Literally. Yeah. Yeah, I'm on Long Island. There's plenty of kooks on Long Island, so, um, I mean pine sap too. Man Rob blocked them.
Speaker 3:I just yeah, I just didn't need to see everything.
Speaker 2:He was, he, he he like I think he's a good dude, but I also think he is so a cult member, Like he is.
Speaker 3:Like cult of personality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cult of personality member with Nick. He's like I'm a general, I would die for him. Like he says he'll die for Nick Fuentes. Like what are you talking about, man? Like I would never want people following me. Like that. Like are you people sick?
Speaker 3:put a little hat on kennedy and you're like the spitting image. So it's.
Speaker 2:It's just crazy to me that anybody would be that. And look, we've seen it when we've. We criticized Vigano once and we get lambasted in the comments. You criticize Altman, altman. You get lambasted in the comments. We criticized Fuentes. We lost like 30 followers that day. Like people take criticism of their favorite Personality very personally and it's never meant personally. Like you can have a disagreement with somebody you could like. The things we said about vegan were very charitable. I thought we weren't even saying it like we just like all right, maybe he went a little too far with this thing, but if you criticize people's favorite personality, they take it like a deep wound. It's very strange. Yeah, I've never seen anybody get offended when people brag on us.
Speaker 3:That's because we are usually the first ones to do it.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know For the Groypers, if you guys do catch this man, I hope you guys see this and say all right, maybe we need to back off a little bit.
Speaker 2:We've, especially the last couple of weeks, you guys seem to have gone a little out of control with going after and making awful comments about people's daughters you do that to the wrong person and they'll be the one to find you and show up at your door well, I saw a couple of a couple of the groipers got exposed, like they were in group chats saying awful things and somebody found out who one of them were and the guy was like please, man, it was just a joke, please don't ruin my life like you guys are going on there anonymous people can figure out who you are, because all it takes is one person who knows you, who thinks what you did just is distasteful, and they go and rat you out and it just becomes a never-ending spiral of people just getting ratted out. It's just, it's, it's too much. Um. So I think people need to chill out a little bit. Um, especially the groipers man, he's gonna chill.
Speaker 3:He has a freaking answer out of your minds maybe, I hope, you know, hopefully with age they'll uh, they'll chill out a little it's the other thing.
Speaker 2:They are young most of them, but, um, all right. So kennedy's jewish, we found that out tonight, and all right. So why don't we cover some of the stuff we were going to talk about tonight? Because there was some interesting things going on with the bishop, so we actually will cover this a little bit. Edward Penton and Diane Montagna came out with a website. I don't even know how I can. If I could pronounce it, let me see if I could find it. It's a card cardinal cardinalium collegi, rickenzio rickenzio. Would that be rickenzio rickenzio?
Speaker 3:yeah, my latin's not that great um yeah, so we're starting with one.
Speaker 2:You even send me but the latin gives it. No, it's in there. Oh, it's actually the the uh john allen article I put in there um from an article website yeah, um is the next pope speculation inappropriate. Get over it, so um let me see.
Speaker 2:So it's not this one no, let's go with that one, okay. Groundbreaking interactive website on the college of cardinals was launched. Created in response to requests from cardinals and others, the college of cardinals report is the first site of its kind offering in-depth profiles on papa. Be like to help cardinals know one another better, the? That is the overriding goal of the College of Cardinals report. There was another one called the Red Top Report Remember that Somebody tried launching that a while back the first interactive online resource of its kind.
Speaker 2:40 Cardinals are profiled and in-depth, revealing who they are and where they stand on various issues, along with summary profiles of the remaining 200-plus members of the Sacred College, including 21 who received the Red Hat last week. Working with an international team of Catholic journalists and researchers, both Vatican journalist Diane Montagna, the project's executive director, and I have endeavored to provide a fact-based and reliably sourced database of information on the large and most diverse College of cardinals in the church's history. Yeah, because there's way more cardinals now than there has ever been, like it's I don't even know currently over the number we're supposed to have yeah, so I don't even know how the voting is going to work, because that's that's interesting.
Speaker 2:I don't know, is it still just going to be two-thirds majority of whatever number is in there for valid voting cardinals? I'm not sure.
Speaker 3:I I'd have to read the current uh rules for uh um, or what do they call it I don't know, I'm tired too, don't worry, I know.
Speaker 2:All right, these requests have arisen mainly because the other cardinals, because the cardinals, have little knowledge of one another despite our globalized information age. This is partly because pope francis has chosen many new cardinals from lesser known periphery locations, but also because, since 2014, regular consistories have ceased, leaving the sacred college with few opportunities to meet. That's a that's a very interesting thing that francis did. They used to have these consistories, where they would get the cardinals together so they would get to meet each other and get to know each other. But Francis because he sensed there was this Francis fatigue going on, he didn't even want them meeting each other. He doesn't want them all to get to know each other and be able to hobnob and be like all right, we're going to have to go in a different direction after this one.
Speaker 3:But he basically doesn't want too many Cardinals meeting with Burke and Mueller.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, unlike my 2020 book the Next Pope, which had a similar premise, what makes this project unique is its interactive nature, through an interactive map and be able to consult a user-friendly color-coded table showing where the cardinals stand on 10 key t 10 key contemporary issues facing the church today. So I mean, that's interesting, that's good.
Speaker 2:It's probably great for the cardinals, and I couldn't care less I don't you know, I don't need to learn about all the cardinals you don't need to, but the cardinals themselves need to, right, yeah, so the people who actually want this are the cardinals, right? Look? Look at what we have going on right now. We have a bishop, a cardinal, in Sri Lanka, who is basically telling he's just an archbishop. Oh, he's just an archbishop.
Speaker 2:So an archbishop in Sri Lanka, basically an archbishop, yeah, so an archbishop in sri lanka basically telling all his priests you are not allowed to have girl. I know you're right, cardinal cardinal. Right, cardinal rangith. Yeah, so you're not allowed to have girl altar boys, because the, the altar server, is our greatest source for vocations to the priesthood and to allow girls to take these positions would be too much of a detriment to our vocations process, like we would lose too many. So all right, let's see.
Speaker 2:Dear Reverend Fathers, it's been brought to my knowledge that several parishes in the Archdiocese of Colombo have appointed girls as altar servers. In this context, I wish to reiterate what I stated at the Presbyteral meeting held on the 21st of October, that no girls should be invited to serve at the altar as altar servers in the Archdiocese. It should always be young boys, because this is one of the main sources of vocations of the priesthood in Sri Lanka and it will affect the number of candidates entering the seminaries, which risk we cannot take, since females are not allowed to be ordained priests. We have to make that decision.
Speaker 2:This cannot be changed at your discretion. Please carry out this as faithfully as possible and do not think it is in your faculty to grant that. So look, there are so many people that have their daughters as altar servers, thinking they're helping the church. It's not all feminist revolutionaries, it's really not. There's a lot of people who just it's women running these parishes and they're just like, oh, I'll just have my daughter go be an altar server, not actually understanding what the purpose of this position is. It is mainly there to inspire young men to the priesthood, to show them the sacred vessels, to show them the liturgical positions and in previous years it was a minor order, you know.
Speaker 3:So it wasn't ordination, and it wasn't ordination in the sense of like the priesthood, as as the deacon and priest and bishops are, but it was a minor order. Um, yeah, so women would have been barred from it. Yeah, you just can't, you can't be ordained. Yeah, this.
Speaker 2:This became a thing on the john paul ii and it is nothing less than transgenderism in the church. It is and it's everything about the novus ordo is like this it's allowing women lectors. It's like when you startus Ordo is like this it's allowing women lectors. It's like when you start putting women in positions where men are supposed to be, you actually mess with the mind of women and make them think they can be boys. It's transgenderism.
Speaker 3:Because lector was once again a minor order as well.
Speaker 2:Cardinal in Sri Lanka doing this, and then you have Bishop Stowe in America, sidestepping the USCCB, who, I guess. France has made it possible for women to be lectors and Acolytes, acolytes, which is insane. And catechists it's essentially like I don't know what the big deal is about them asking for women deacons when we essentially have women deacons in the novus ordo at this point?
Speaker 3:well, so did we. Did we actually talk about the story in belgium, with the um diocese administrator, the woman diocese administrator, her name being said along with the bishops in the canon of the mass? That is insane, like that is legitimately yeah, no, that's like.
Speaker 2:That's, that's like are they even in communion with the church anymore at that point?
Speaker 3:I would say no, I mean you, literally you. You modified the canon, which I mean they did after vatican ii anyways, but that's beside the point.
Speaker 2:They modified the canon and put a woman's name next to the bishop. That's absurd to me. So yeah, I had a female catechist as a kid too. That's why I don't understand, like what's this? What is this about? Even Like they're already doing all this stuff. But I don't know if they mean like just a regular catechism teacher.
Speaker 3:No, they mean like a just a regular catechism teacher, like no, they, they mean like an actual office.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's like a position of catechists that they that they kind of invented, I guess you know um. So, yes, you have bishop stowe doing that and then you have cardinal soupage, cardinal soupage telling people we don't.
Speaker 3:Let's not forget what else Bishop Stowe has done as far as transgenderism oh, he's the one who ordained a transgender monk yep that's under him right. I don't think the hermit, I don't think she is ordained, no, she's just a hermit, yeah, a hermit.
Speaker 2:Women do mass and ordained already they use consecrated hosts and she does the liturgy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hermit, they have women doing mass in the room already. They use consecrated hosts and she does the liturgy. Yeah, that's not Catholic anymore. I mean, I don't even know. Look, I don't know what. I'll tell you this. We went to Italy. A majority of the people were receiving on the tongue at the Novus Ordo that we went to. Now, I don't know if they were tourists or no. I don't think so. I think they were Catholics receiving on the tongue. There wasn't a single church I went to while I was there where most of the participants most of them received on the tongue. It was interesting to see, because they make such a big deal of it over here.
Speaker 3:I think that is probably just cultural, you know, um, because I know the whole on the hand thing started in like holland, belgium um play germany, things like that. So I think italy, uh, italy, is probably hopefully just more orthodox in that regard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe Especially the closer you want to roll.
Speaker 3:So MB says there's a big movement in Italy of receiving on the tongue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe that's what it is. I was actually pretty surprised by that. The other thing I noticed is the Oran's position during the Our Father, which seems to be an organic development of the sort of liturgy, because it's happening everywhere.
Speaker 3:So I hate that so much. That's honestly like there are theological reasons. I hate it, but even before I knew those, I just don't like people.
Speaker 2:This is another joke about italians being black, which is funny because he's supposedly Italian.
Speaker 2:He's northern Italian, he's barely Italian, barely, he speaks it a little bit, but that's about it. What's up, joey? What's it called? All right, so yeah, so now okay. So the whole thing with Cupich right, the idea that kneeling and receiving on the tongue is showmanship. It's so wild to me that they don't even try to understand the opposing view in any way whatsoever. They have it in their mind that every single person that goes up and kneels to receive is doing it as a virtue signal, like that's just what they see it in their mind does.
Speaker 3:They don't see it as an act of humility in any way whatsoever that's because they they have no understanding of eucharistic pieter reverence, because they have none of it themselves they can't understand how someone would actually believe that that's god. It would want to kneel for God, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was actually I remember that the. I went to a Latin mass at holy innocence once and there was like an older woman who didn't want to turn her back to the tabernacle, so like as she she was up towards the altar, she walked backwards to her pew and I thought it was a beautiful thing. It's like something like because it's something you would see in a show about, like the King in the middle ages, where you wouldn't turn your back on the King, so you left his presence facing him and I thought it was just like a little beautiful little thing of piety.
Speaker 2:And I mentioned it on Twitter and everybody went nuts saying this is just her showboating and it's just this virtue signal and it's like. I don't think it was. I really do think she was just trying to be a pious Catholic.
Speaker 3:When I am in small adoration chapels where the Eucharist is exposed. I'll do the same, or at least try to. Well, during adoration 'll, I'll do the same, you know or at least try to during, yeah, during adoration, yeah, In a, in a. You know the, the sanctuary of a church is a little difficult, just cause I can't, I'm not coordinated enough to walk backwards 200 feet in a straight line Usually.
Speaker 2:So me and Mary Teresa saw three Eucharistic miracles in Italy. Now, one of them that there, so one of them. When you went to it it actually had. Oh, it was the Carlo Acudis exhibit. The Carlo Acudis exhibit had a list of all the different Eucharistic miracles and one of them is the Buenos Aires miracle. And the Buenos Aires Eucharistic miracle is actually amazing. There's a documentary on it. I forgot who did it. Um, I wish I had the link to it not carlo, he was gone call.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't called, it was so there's a documentary on it by if I remember it. I'll tell you um. So anyway, but when I was eris, it was um bergoglio was the bishop there when it happened and he didn't want to get it tested. Yeah, like he fought getting it tested and eventually he had like no choices. It was so much pressure on him and he finally agreed to it and when they tested it, it was like every single like it was not just heart tissue, it was a very specific part of the heart that like brings light to it Was that in the nineties.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so, and it was just. It was just. It's one of my favorite ones to look at because it's so recent and it's so thorough in the scientific investigation they did. Um, I'm not sure that, I don't know, but I know he fought it Like he didn't want it to be seen. So, yeah, that was one of the. Yeah, that same. No blessing Carlo Acudas. He's not saying yet.
Speaker 3:He's not canonized.
Speaker 2:He's not canonized yet, he's still blessed.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, we we saw Carlo's body uh, and a few of the women really like really had an emotional experience with it, but Well, you saw the wax anyways. You're sick, I'm just saying You're sick.
Speaker 2:I don't know why you don't like that boy. He's a good boy.
Speaker 3:Everyone's got to understand. At this point I'm digging my heels in because of everyone.
Speaker 2:I know. He is wearing a track suit in the glass.
Speaker 3:Which is funny because he wore a suit to mass all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, very pious boy, yeah. So the idea, so for, so for soup, which the idea of communion, to him is about the communion with the fellow believers, and he has this communal theology that he's trying to get through. And to him, him, it's not about god, it's about the, it's about the meal and it's about sharing the meal with your brothers and sisters, and it's not actually about the worship of the proper worship of god, it's not about the sacrifice of the son to the father. It's insane right.
Speaker 3:What I found incredibly ironic is, um, in his letter or whatever he talked about how it uh interrupts the eucharistic procession up to the altar. And that's funny because I seem to recall making a thumbnail for a video we did where I made kupich soupage, the little uh soup nazi guy from, yeah, from. Because uh, he wanted, he wasn't allowing the eucharistic procession for the um eucharistic congress, right, he didn't allow it to go through chicago yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's why anthony likes some italians and tracksuits um wait, this is actually interesting. The sad thing about akutis the sad thing about the akutis thing is that he was a great kid and loved jesus, but he's been turned into saint francis. I bet he'd be upset. What has happened the? So the tour guide we had through, uh, italy I told you he was like one of my favorite tour guides, this guy alessandro. And when I tell you this guy loved St Francis and he kept comparing Carlo Acutis to St Francis and I kind of rolled my eyes when he would do it, it was like a little bit of that. But yeah, they are trying to turn Carlo Acutis into St Francis, as if he abandoned his life and wealth and went off on his own. He's not quite that, but he was a very pious kid.
Speaker 3:His family is actually and maybe Kennedy knows this better than I, but his family's rather wealthy, aren't they?
Speaker 2:I'm sure, but the irony is that his mother wasn't even Catholic before right. So like he wasn't raised Catholic, he had a conversion. Like the kid had a deep devotion to, you know, his catholic faith.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not gonna take that from him no, not at all, and he definitely suffered well, like he was joyful through his suffering, and I you know there's parts of that where you have to. It's just things that, like all the all the canonizations in the nova sordo are questioned at this point because you just had francis canonized those 11 nuns from the french revolution. Well, he's going to right right he's going to, and that is such a beautiful thing. Like these, women sang hymns as they went to the guillotine, like that is the definition of a martyr I.
Speaker 3:I forget who it was, but I saw the perfect tweet today where it was, you know, martyred by guillotine. Wait 200 years to become a saint. Make a nice website Wait 20 years yeah. Now obviously that's not the full story, you know, for Carlo.
Speaker 2:But there also were two miracles attributed to Carlo.
Speaker 3:One of them I hear and I haven't looked into it. But one of them I hear and I haven't looked into it. But one of them I hear is really questionable okay, um, hey, anthony, nice to see you back.
Speaker 2:Our bishop, via a delegate, recently called our priest and told him to stop selling celebrating mass at orientum.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, like I, the one of the saddest things that that to Italy was seeing the Novus Ordo celebrated at these beautiful churches. It just didn't fit and it was sadly our only option, because a bunch of the guys had woke up at like 5.30 one morning and they took an Uber and they went to an FSSP parish and they went to a latin mass while we were therei was too hungover and I didn't get up, but uh, I commend those gentlemen for doing that this while we were in rome. Um, yeah, it's just sad about the whole canon like all the canonizations get questioned because they took away the devil's advocate and all this stuff and it's like I don't know, man, I still feel like if the church makes a declaration on something like that, it's like there's an aspect of infallibility to declaring a saint potentially yeah you know, like they, they actually say it in the canonization process, like we infallibly declare but you're, you're holding a person up as a model.
Speaker 2:You know, like you're, you're holding this person up, you're raising them to the altars because their life is something you should emulate, you know. So it really should be scrutinized and it should be. This person lived an extraordinary life. It can't just be oh, it was like a, you know, a relatively pious person.
Speaker 3:You know it's gotta it's gotta be something more to it, right, because there there is, or there should be, a difference between a saint in heaven and a saint, a canonized saint yeah, um, okay, so we have, um, we have Bishop Stowe Supage, then you have Cardinal Burke.
Speaker 2:Did you want to play that video of the freaking crazy Guadalupe thing? Because I had people telling me play that video I want to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 2:I had somebody telling me they've been doing this since the days of Guadalupe. Kennedy, I know you have a devotion to Our Lady of Guadalupe. Can you tell me if this is something that's been going on since the days of the apparition or if this is some crazy syncretistic Novus Ordo nonsense? The canonization process is not infallible. The declaration of them being in heaven is not the same thing as the process to investigate whether they demonstrated a road virtue. Well, yeah, so if they declare them, if they canonize them, that means they are in heaven, but it doesn't necessarily mean, like St Pope Paul VI, I don't think anybody should emulate their life on his life he didn't live a life of heroic virtue. He may be in heaven. He died with all the sacraments, right you?
Speaker 3:imagine and had the million Catholics praying for him, right yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure he went down. Many masses offered for him. Probably got the apostolic pardon.
Speaker 3:Right, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm sure he's in heaven.
Speaker 3:But other than being Pope, like if he wasn't Pope, would anyone know who he was? No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Having grown up in Italy, I can tell you Carlo is a good model for the boys, I'm sure. Um, all right, yeah. So what is the kennedy? Tell me?
Speaker 3:um kennedy's trying. Youtube is censoring him what do you? Mean, well, um the mex. So this is what he says the mexico thing is ecumenical. Um what's the italian? Uh, where um that francis used?
Speaker 2:francesc jones yes yes, this vagotry, yes, that's what, yep, all right, so yeah, like what is this? Is this just syncretism? Is this like what is this?
Speaker 3:well, first off, notice, uh notice, the female ultra boy on the right of course, the right, of course, of course.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Frochigine Go.
Speaker 1:Frochigine.
Speaker 3:Really Well. Okay, first off, he looks like a white viking more than a look at him.
Speaker 2:I just he doesn't even look native I said like I spend my whole day trying to convince protestants we're not pagans and then they go and do this nonsense. It's like how do you defend this?
Speaker 3:he does. He doesn't even look native nonsense. It's like how do you defend this? He doesn't even look native. I don't know.
Speaker 2:What is it supposed?
Speaker 3:to be.
Speaker 2:It's just stupid. He looked like he was about to fly his first jump on air, it would have been amazing. Yeah, exactly how long until they're pulling hearts out again, right?
Speaker 3:Like what culture was supposed to be exhibiting Aztec? I mean, are we talking about the Aztec culture that would slaughter 80,000 people on a day or Mayan? 80,000 people on a day or Mayan which wasn't in existence for 500 years prior to the arrival of Catholicism?
Speaker 2:You said, you said Notre Notre Dame cathedral is is older than the Aztec civilization.
Speaker 3:Is it really I didn't know 200 years?
Speaker 2:Wow, I didn't know that. That's really interesting to me.
Speaker 3:So the Aztec civilization Kalima, calima.
Speaker 1:Was that from Indiana Jones?
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Aztec civilization had only been around for one or two hundred years prior to the arrival of the conquistadors. It was new and it was an empire that had just recently arrived and recently conquered all the peoples around them. Um, so, yeah, I don't know why we would ever.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that, that's so. When was notre dame actually first started?
Speaker 3:I think in the 1100s.
Speaker 2:Let me look and and you're saying, the aztecs were like what, the 1400s or something, 1300, 1400s.
Speaker 3:So Notre Dame construction started 1163. And it was finished 1345.
Speaker 2:That's so crazy to me. And the Aztecs when were they 1325. So we started it 200 years before the Aztecs and Notre Dame is being finished around the same time.
Speaker 3:Why would we want to emulate a culture that was still ripping hearts out of people while we were building the greatest architectural wonders in the history of the world?
Speaker 2:All right, so we do things. Our Lady helped bring prison to the South and Central America and conquer whatever culture that was. Yeah, it seems like rebellion. Wonders in the history of the world like this is all right, so we do things. Uh, our lady helped bring prison them to the south and central america and conquer whatever culture that was. Yeah, it seems like rebellion. It seems like you're trying to revive the thing that our lady helped conquer. And steve says, stephen young says apocalypto wasn't intended to be a mass rubric that is funny.
Speaker 2:The apocalypto right the aztecs were preceded by another culture that yeah, the aztecs didn't build any of their stuff.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, so they just basically settled upon a, a thing that was already there, which has happened many times throughout, like when you go see these, even they they say even the egyptian pyramids may have been built, like me and michael hitchport are convinced they were built before the flood we, we.
Speaker 3:So I know I can make fun of you for the whole hitch um not hitchborn hancock, granddad cocked up. But we should do a show or two on that new season just for fun I think so well, this season was pretty boring, it was I didn't yeah, but it had kianu in it an episode, didn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, it was like quick and it was like the first season was riveting because he was taking you all over to these different monoliths throughout the world. The second season is just south america and it's stuff they didn't even dig up. It's like they're like they're seeing oh I'm sorry guys, they're seeing stuff from like aerial views that there's definitely stuff, there's definitely ruins, but they don't. They're not like dug up, like they would need to raise money to go and dig these ruins up and stuff. It's just so, I mean.
Speaker 2:But it it's more proof that there was a civilization before an ancient apocalypse, like there was. I mean, I just think it's the flood, I think it's the biblical flood, it was worldwide. There was a civilization before that and all of these things were from before that flood. And then, after the flood, civilization starts to pop back up. The people don't exactly know where they came from. Ancient apocalypse Like they don't exactly know where they came from ancient apocalypse, like they don't know where these things came from, and a new civilization kind of stumbles upon them and they don't know what to do with them and they form a new religion around these things, thinking like what are these things? You know? And it's it's very similar to when, when you, when we visited the grand Canyon and then we visited um, not sedona. Did you ever see?
Speaker 3:oh, are you talking about the um, the settlement of the cliff?
Speaker 2:let me see I'm gonna send these pictures to you.
Speaker 3:Hold on um stephen young says, anthony is morphing into billy carson before our eyes who's billy carson was that?
Speaker 2:really you don't know, billy carson no, these things oh okay, not, not okay.
Speaker 3:So he is not who I thought he was. He's uh, well, he's african, like you. Uh, he's written a lot of like crazy ancient alien books.
Speaker 2:It looks like I'm sending you a couple of pictures because this is, I went to this um bobby's down in arizona. He should go there. Okay, I just sent you a couple pictures. Like, bring these pictures up.
Speaker 2:Like this place, right, when me and my wife went here, you ever see pictures of this place? Like it's like these Really bizarre rock Formations, right. Like these were sacred Places for the Native Americans that lived there. Like these were sacred places for the, the native Americans that live there, because they just couldn't explain them. Like they, they went there and they thought they had divine qualities to them. You know, like when they saw the grand Canyon, they thought there was some kind of divinity, like this is where the gods were. You know, it's just, you can't, they couldn't explain it. So, like a religion formed around it and these were considered the sacred places. I sent you another picture too. I think, yeah, these are just such interesting, cool rock sculptures and these were considered sacred places. I don't know, it's just the. I think these ancient civilizations stumbled upon these megaliths and monoliths and they just you know, I mean, this is just from flooding, though.
Speaker 2:What those rock?
Speaker 3:formations, those formations, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, listen, arizona and the Southwest, like Utah. There's some bizarre landscapes there. You know it doesn't look like Earth. In some places you feel like you're on mars. It's like it's just very bizarre landscapes. But you know, the natives would go there and they were just these certain places. They would go and they were just like there's something divine about those places. The gods are here, or they thought that was like the origin of life.
Speaker 3:Sorry I'm behind, but oxford university is also older than the mayan civilization the mayan civilization is like 500 years older than the aztec, so that's old oxford is um, the argument from beauty becomes very compelling when you see places like that.
Speaker 2:I understand how they give. Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. When me and my wife went there, we were just like how did they not think the gods created this place? Like how could you not? It doesn't look like anything else in the world. You have to think God's finger touched it. You know like there's some divine process happened there. What's funny, though, is how are you going to choose Timcast over us?
Speaker 2:Well, because they want to find out if the israeli wire is buying them or not, probably yeah, um, billy costa recently tried to sue west huff for embarrassing him in a debate on the on apocryphal text saying christ was married and wasn't cruzval. Wow, what a cornball. I would never say don't, ever say I'm becoming like him, are you crazy? Um, all right, we're gonna. We're gonna wrap this one up early tonight, guys. Um nick couldn't make it tonight. Um rob, and I figured we'd just jump on with you. Guys, hang out for a little bit. We all wanted to talk about Fuentes and the Bishop stuff. So Monday we have an interesting guest.
Speaker 3:I really look, it's not going to be one of those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's do that. Let's definitely read that tweet. I have it right here.
Speaker 3:You want to send me that Well yeah, I have it right here.
Speaker 2:Hang on, I'll send it to you.
Speaker 3:I have.
Speaker 2:I can pull it up here, you don't need me to send it. I'll send it.
Speaker 3:He tweets as often as you do.
Speaker 2:Well, I sent it. Okay, so, okay, a lot of people Okay. So it starts off where you see, if you guys had seen, there's a video of a girl who's really upset because she, her boyfriend, told her he wanted to move to Texas. So she quit her job, went down to Texas, gave up her career for him, lived down there, spent all the money in her bank account to help him get his life set up, thought she was going to marry the guy. And the guy just bailed and he goes I want to break up. So she's left stranded. She had to move back in with her mom and all this stuff. So somebody wrote everyone rightly feels bad for this girl. We all sense that if she moves across the country with her man, he's effectively her husband but he's reluctant to say to actually marry her, no-transcript. And then once a girl is married, she gains a bunch of weight and she kind of lets herself go and she doesn't really care about the husband anymore and he's like why did I marry you? So that's like the general trend. So our friend Shagbark, hickman, hickman, hickman, hickman, said a lot of people may not realize that that this goes the other way sometimes too.
Speaker 2:I joined the military for my ex. I had built her a cabin on my family's land and at the end of the winter she pretty clearly implied I ought to get a job. But with no work history for five plus years, no one would hire me for anything serious. So I called the coast guard and enlisted. She waved as I took the bus to the airport from meps to go to boot camp. She was meps. She was at my boot camp graduation. She and I drove up to michigan when I was when I reported to my first unit. But she couldn't. She wouldn't move in with me there, nor would she marry me, because she didn't want to build a, be a military wife. I had assumed I wouldn't be alone in my enlistment, but I was. What followed was an agonizing multi-year on and off law long distance relationship. I was never the one to break up with her. Whenever we did break up, I began to obsess about PCS thing. What is that?
Speaker 3:Permanent change of station.
Speaker 2:Permanent change of station to the right place, because she'd say things like if you get sent to the Northeast maybe we can get married, but if you go to Alaska you'll never see me. And later I'd be confined from the outside world for 11 months during COVID. Later they let me out for a weekend and she happened to be on a road trip nearby. I got her pregnant by accident. We started talking about marriage, baby names, how I'd reenlist the sort of baby cradle I'd build for our baby. I called her mom and assured her that her daughter and granddaughter were safe with me. We both teared up. It was beautiful. I was excited, I was ready for this and, as far as I could tell, so was she. After all, we've been mostly together for three years. Then she called me and said it is finished. She aborted the baby.
Speaker 2:I dissociated and descended into a suicidal period of depression. I sincerely believe that the hand of God was the only thing that kept me from actually ending my own life. That was when I found orthodoxy and later found Catholicism and started praying daily rosaries at the shrine to the unborn, and my life would completely change. Still, I would never be the same again. I'm still altered from who I was before this all happened. You never get back to normal after something like that.
Speaker 2:Mentally, I'd been married to her. I would have done anything for her, would have tolerated and endured literally anything. Instead, she dragged my heart across the pavement and killed our baby. It takes two to tango. I had some culpability in everything that happened. I should have listened to my friends who advised me that I was in a bad situation. But when you're in love and sinning by having sex outside of wedlock, you can't reason. Clearly, I will never get back what I lost in that situation, but I thank God that he has healed me and renewed my life in the years between then and now. I thank God I met my wife, who is ever faithful and loving to me and will stick by me no matter what.
Speaker 2:I share this story solely for the young men out there who might be in a similar situation. Do yourself a favor Do not have sex out of wedlock. Avoid secular women and women who espouse modern views on relationships and dating. No matter how lonesome you are, no matter how randy you feel, you are better off being completely chaste than living through something like this. Oh, and don't join the military for a girl. Just don't do it. If you join, join for you. Now, his wife was just on with Pearl.
Speaker 2:Yep and was just on with Pearl and had an interview with Pearl. I'm going to try and catch that interview and listen to that before we have him on because I'd like to see a little bit of his wife's point of view. I'm very interested to hear this guy's story. He lives a very interesting, unique life. The guy's like off-grid. He wants to live a very simple life. He wants to just a very simple life. He wants to just have like a 600 square foot house with a wood burning stove and just be able to write for a living. Nick's probably a large, I'm an XL. Rob's probably a 2X, right 3X, I'm an XL. Xl fits me. She went on with Pearl to argue with pearl, like to debate her, not to agree with her. She went on there to say pearl, you have some good points, but like there's some things you're, you know that she disagrees with.
Speaker 2:So, um, yeah, so it's just it's. It's. He seems like an interesting guy, and sometimes you just have to do an interesting interview, even if nobody watches it, just because you know the people that watch our show is, uh, they'll enjoy it. Like, if you like us, you'll like this one.
Speaker 3:So and what's funny is like the shows they get views Aren't the shows they get subscribers. That's true, Is what we've found out surprisingly this is a reference.
Speaker 2:I know what marco's talking about. I feel all for this guy, even though I have disagreements with him on other posts. Let's just say I'm a creature of comfort. I think this is because he was talking the other day about finding a latin mass and he's having a hard time finding a latin mass where he wants to live, and he was discussing whether he should just find a reverend obisordo and try to make the community more reverent, and my position on that is it's not worth risking your children's faith If you have the option, like I think I could be wrong, but I think what Marco was was at was really talking about.
Speaker 3:There is the post he said about like don't marry a woman who wouldn't eat road road kill with you If you had to really, yeah, that's like the.
Speaker 2:That's like uh, me myself and irene. You said you'd eat whale blubber. You ever see me myself and irene?
Speaker 3:I can't oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, see, I was right. His wife cheats on. He basically said don't marry a woman who isn't willing to be homeless with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah well margo, I'm being honest. That's like that is true. You lose everything't willing to be homeless with you. Yeah Well, margo, I'm being honest. That is true, you lose everything. Your chick's got to go with you no matter where you go.
Speaker 3:Richer or poorer?
Speaker 2:Richer or poorer. Once you say I do, your wife's got to be willing to eat whale blubber and be homeless. If it comes to that like you, hope it doesn't, but if it comes to that, there's no, I'm going to go live with my mom while you stick it out you guys are in it as a family, you're a unit and you stick together.
Speaker 2:Alright, boys and girls, we are going to wrap this one up. I'm sorry there's no local show tonight. We will do locals on Monday. It's just my first week back. I've still got a little jet lag. We'll see you guys Monday night If you don't join us. Everybody have a merry christmas. May the grace of our the one, true god the grace of the one true god, jesus christ. Bring grace upon your home at the detriment of the false religions.
Speaker 3:Lest you be gay and uh for the, the avid meditations for saturday and sunday. They may be done from a hotel room. We'll see that's okay.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you something. Somebody sent the message to rob the other day about those, so they don't get big views, but every once in a while it happens, every advent and every lent somebody. Just it touches their heart and they send you a really heartfelt thing just thanking you for the hard work you put in.
Speaker 3:It's always about halfway through when you're like only 80 people see these things. I don't want to kill people, but they suck to do early at 5 am in the morning. But then you get a message like that and you're like holy crap, I helped someone go to confession.
Speaker 2:Like yeah well, that's like life-changing, you know yeah, exactly when you get those messages, like, all right, so what we're doing is still for the, for the kingdom, you know. So all right guys, we'll see you guys on monday. Rob adios, yep.
Speaker 3:Have a good night everyone. Thank you.
