We Must Restore the Cults of the Saints

As Anthony embarked on his pilgrimage to Italy, what began as a spiritual quest quickly became a mosaic of laughter, friendship, and awe-inspiring discoveries. From the breathtaking art of Luca Signorelli to the unexpected juxtaposition of tradition and modernity in Italian culture, his travels were filled with moments that challenged and inspired him in equal measure.

Imagine standing amid the grandeur of Rome or exploring the sacred sites of Assisi and Orvieto, where each turn reveals a masterpiece of devotion and history. Our journey was enriched by memorable encounters, like a surprise papal sighting and the emotional visit to Blessed Carlo Acutis' resting place.

The episode also touches on broader themes, such as the dynamics of U.S. foreign policy and reflections on the power of art and tradition. By exploring the intersections of faith, art, and personal growth, we hope to offer our listeners a tapestry of insights and stories that will linger long after the episode ends.

Chapters

• 0:08 Pilgrimage Diversity and Adventures
• 5:49 Catholic Pilgrimage Saints and Cathedrals
• 20:55 Italy Adventure and Cultural Observations
• 31:23 Experiencing Catholic Art and Traditions
• 40:24 Beauty and Devotion in Italian Art
• 47:47 The Last Judgment and Sacred Art
• 55:09 Pilgrimage Reflections and Coincidences
• 1:10:22 Naming Traditions and Future Plans
• 1:25:33 Discussion on Catholic Pilgrimages and Mass
• 1:35:36 Foreign Policy and Government Manipulation
• 1:40:49 Aliens, Drones, and Jersey Shooting
• 1:47:12 Midwestern Anthony and New Converts
• 2:00:23 Online Harassment and Criticism

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:08

Sancte, sancte.

Speaker 3: 0:42

Amare morti necradas nos.

Speaker 4: 0:47

In days well-awaited.

Speaker 2: 0:49

You know he's back when you see him, you know he's back.

Speaker 3: 0:56

I missed you guys. I missed you guys so much.

Speaker 1: 1:02

You're already calling for my son for guest host.

Speaker 3: 1:06

I'm guessing the kids made an appearance while I was gone.

Speaker 1: 1:10

Yeah, and one of the morning meditations. Maddie barged in and talked about his Legos for a minute and then said the Hail.

Speaker 3: 1:18

Mary for everyone and then left. Oh, that's cool, I'll tell you, I was looking. So while we were, while we were in Italy, well before we even get started. So there are other pilgrims in the chat. I'm sure there has to be, because I told them all. They better come. This is Tara, tara Anderson's here, so Tara's Nicole's new bestie. Tara and Nicole, they're like forget it Inseparable. So while I was there, I was looking for, like, uh, saint matthias or saint filomena, like I was looking for saint ignatius. I was trying to find something for your kids while I was there and I wanted to send them something and I didn't see any. I was looking for some saint thomas stuff. I didn't see any saint thomas aquinas for you, nick um I did get you guys something.

Speaker 1: 2:03

So you you sent us blessed Carlo Acutis stuff. Well, you're getting some blessed Carlo Acutis.

Speaker 3: 2:10

Me and Mary Teresa are praying to the Carlo Acutis for you.

Speaker 1: 2:15

You want to know something funny. So today I was looking through your Twitter photos, your Twitter media, for pictures to put in the thumbnail right, and one of the photos was the healthcare CEO shooter, luigi, for pictures to put in the thumbnail right. And you. One of the photos was, um, the uh healthcare ceo shooter, luigi, and the next photo was carlo cutis.

Speaker 3: 2:32

And oh, they look a lot alike listen, I will say this um, we saw carlo cutis' body and some of the pilgrims got very emotional there. You want to know what's. Another interesting thing is we have one black fan. Right, we have one black listener.

Speaker 1: 2:55

We're not racist guys. We have a black fan.

Speaker 3: 2:57

And he came on the pilgrimage. He came on the pilgrimage. His name is Kenomi. We go to Rome, right, and when you're in Rome, there's a lot of migrants in Rome, and a lot of them are African right, and as soon as you get there, they're selling you stuff and trying to ask you for money. Now, kenomi got there late, so we got to the airport and we hit the catacombs right away and konomi missed his flight. So he ends up coming a few hours later than everybody else and we're in rome and um, is my mic popping? It's not really great.

Speaker 1: 3:38

It's not good is it?

Speaker 3: 3:40

it's turning red, so wait, hold on people.

Speaker 1: 3:43

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Anthony, are you aware of this?

Speaker 4: 3:47

yeah, your wife's in the chat so we.

Speaker 3: 3:52

So we get there, and and a black guy comes up to me and he tries to sell me some like african cigar mode, so true the guy tries to sell me some african and I'm like I'm in Rome, If I wanted African stuff, I would go to Africa. Then two seconds later, Konomi comes over and I think he's another African guy trying to sell me something?

Speaker 1: 4:13

Oh, no, anthony.

Speaker 4: 4:16

You know, I'm not going to blame Anthony, no, I don't want it.

Speaker 3: 4:20

I don't want it. He's like he's like Anthony it? I don't want it. He's like he's like anthony. I'm like how does this guy know my name? What's going on here? I'm so confused. Oh my gosh, this went off the rails really quick. So confused because the black guy was knew my name. I was like what is going on? He wound up. He was a man. When I said it was very interesting, we had a, a black african from nigeria who lives in canada, and we had a white canadian who lives in nairobi.

Speaker 3: 4:51

We're on on the pilgrimage it's a very diverse group, like people from all over the people that came from our show, like there was a lot of young guys there All in there From 29 to 40, there was six or seven of us.

Speaker 1: 5:09

I got some bad news. I don't think that's all that young anymore bud.

Speaker 3: 5:12

No, I know, but you know what I mean. I'm just saying Our audience was all millennials. Basically that came yeah. So we get there, we hit the ground running, we went right into the catacombs. You know, I think you guys listen, we're keeping this show on.

Speaker 4: 5:33

That's what you said.

Speaker 1: 5:38

He's quoting so true, Alex Neither.

Speaker 3: 5:42

My wife came. My wife had an amazing time there too, yeah, so so all right. So we we hit the catacombs. The catacombs were such a jarring experience, man, like just going down there was 300 000 um christians buried in those catacombs. Like I never realized how grand the scope of the catacombs were, you know.

Speaker 3: 6:03

And but the first day, like we leave and we left New York at 4 pm and you get to Rome at 6 am, but that's really midnight here and I slept for like an hour on the plane. I just couldn't sleep. So we get there and I'm on zero sleep, but it's 6 am there and Patrick had us running from like go time, like that was it. We're going and we hit our first tour and we were doing two tours a day, um, but the end of that first day we were so exhausted from the amount of walking we did. And we get back to the hotel, we have dinner and instead of going to bed, we break out the wine.

Speaker 1: 6:45

We stayed up late so, so you're there, tired, you're walking all over the place, probably out of breath, and what's your first instinct? I should get some italian cigarettes oh, no, no, the cigarettes.

Speaker 3: 6:56

The cigarettes we'll get into that. I took two packs of cigarettes with me, thinking like all right, this will last me two weeks, like we'll have a cigarette at the dinner. On occasion I was full blown smoking on this trip. It was terrible, but the interesting thing was the priest that was supposed to come with us, his mother. Something happened with his mother. His mother got sick, so we didn't have a priest on this trip. Oh no, and what? The dynamic changed a bit because it wound up being a lot of drinking. And I don't I don't think I was expecting that, I didn't. I didn't think we would be up every night drinking. So essentially, from the night we got there, pretty much every single night, we stayed up late, but not like getting drunk or anything, just sitting up having wine until late in the night and talking italy.

Speaker 1: 7:42

That's what they, that's what everyone does, right so?

Speaker 3: 7:45

yeah, so it and the lack of sleep really did catch up with me when I got home, but there was so many interesting things about this. The first, the first, um, seeing the pope.

Speaker 1: 8:00

Okay, seeing the pope it's like patrick, feel about that one yeah, that's what I was like.

Speaker 4: 8:07

What would that conversation be like if I hey, hey, pat, look, look at that guy so it's, you're catholic, you know I'm.

Speaker 3: 8:15

I'm a cradle catholic. Um, seeing the pope should be like a an amazing experience as a cradle catholic. You're we're second row dude like we go there and we're sitting in the second row for a papal audience and I'm like, but it's francis but it's like this was really wasted it's francis, like who cares?

Speaker 1: 8:36

you know it was man if he had called you over and been like we gotta talk.

Speaker 3: 8:45

So the catholic layman is. He was, he was on the pilgrimage. He actually has a YouTube channel called the Catholic layman, so if you guys want to check that out, go subscribe to his channel. Before we even get started, though, my, my Yeti came.

Speaker 4: 8:58

Oh cool, that looks nice and it is amazing.

Speaker 1: 9:03

Can we maybe kill it on the, the merch a little like? I've gotten like six emails in the last week of people who have been waiting like two to three months for merch. From that why? Why is that? Some of the t-shirts, I guess, are uh, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 9:19

I'm working, I'm working with it, but uh this you ordered two weeks ago and I got it I know some of the stuff is fine.

Speaker 1: 9:26

The cups are fine, I guess some of the t-shirts I don't know if they're having production issues or what- all right, maybe they're just in such high demand.

Speaker 3: 9:35

Um, so, yeah, go, you guys can go to our uh merch store and get that. But, um, uh, let me, let me, let me think how to uh explain to you what it's like going. So we did four days in rome, right, and you? So? Rome is something that, oh man, you, you can't imagine. That every corner you turn around, you're just seeing some ancient thing like we, we. You see the temple of minerva, you're seeing the triumph arch of constantine the hall of paul vi.

Speaker 1: 10:11

I didn't see that actually I actually didn't see that.

Speaker 3: 10:17

We did see the chair of peter, though like the actual chair of peter, which is a gift from, like, king stephen in the 1700s or 1800s or something. It was pretty cool, but just the you're. You're seeing something so beyond your comprehension. And we went in December and going in December, I thought it was going to be rough. I wasn't sure about the weather. We went there. It was 60 degrees every day, beautiful weather and no tourists, because who goes to rome in advent? Right, it's just not tourist season. So we didn't. Yeah well, we didn't wait online for anything like the, the, the tour guide we had in rome. Her name was federica. She was so awesome. This girl took us, took us through rome and, like she was very well versed in medieval catholicism, really understood, like the alexander the sixth, julius the second era, okay, and when I, when I told her I knew julius the second was, uh, della rovere she like freaked out. She was like 25 years. Nobody's ever known that was done anthony's.

Speaker 1: 11:27

Like no one's ever watched that, I watched the showtime show, don't you?

Speaker 3: 11:35

so, um, yeah, so rome was just like the grandeur of it and seeing the ancient ruins everywhere you go there's ancient ruins and stuff it was just unbelievable. And going into saint peter's uh, seeing the pieta, like these things that that you, you, you've heard about, you've seen pictures of, when you see them in person, it really is stunning, man, it like it floors you. It floors you right. When we left Rome and we went to Assisi, the, the, the, the guide that we had who took us through Assisi and toured us through St Francis, this guy had a devotion to St Francis and when you get taken around, the difference in Federica and him we love Federica, but you couldn't tell if she was like a devout Catholic. She was very well, like, very well versed in the history of it, but you just couldn't tell if she like, believed it and she was like a devout Catholic. When we went to Assisi, the guy, alessandro, had a devotion to St Francis and there was something about the way he spoke that you felt like you had St Francis taking you on this tour, and so we spent four days with that guy. By the end of it people were crying, like when he left and he, he brought the saints to life, right Like this whole trip is basically us visiting the saints, which is why I wanted to title the episode this, because if anything I got from this thing is the saints actually bring the faith to life and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 13:22

We're in America. We don't have anything like this. Everywhere we went in Assisi, there was another relic. You had St Francis' tunic. We prayed at the tomb of St Francis. I'm praying by Father Leone's tomb, just everywhere you went, assisi was like Catholic Disneyland. That's the only way I can explain it. It's this quaint little city built in the Middle ages or even earlier, in the middle of a country, like country land. It just it was so intense to experience that. But as you're going through and you're seeing the grandeur of these cathedrals, rob, there's nothing in America like this. Like I've been to St Pat's in New York city, I've been to saint pat's in new york city, I've been to the dc cathedral, like the nation, the national cathedral.

Speaker 1: 14:05

There is nothing like these cathedrals the dc catholic cathedral or the national cathedral aren't they?

Speaker 3: 14:14

no, the national cathedral is episcopalian no, no, no. The dc catholic the basilica the basilica in dc, which is it's.

Speaker 3: 14:21

I mean it's beautiful, don't get me wrong. And saint pat's is beautiful too. It's a. I mean it's beautiful, don't get me wrong. And St Pat's is beautiful too. It's a Gothic cathedral. It's gorgeous. There's nothing like anything.

Speaker 3: 14:30

We saw there, man, like we went, and when you go into the Duomo di Orvieto like I'm going to show you guys a couple of little things that I, that I, that I had, that we saw there Like when you walk into the Duomo in Orvieto and you walk into that last judgment scene, you feel like you're at the last judgment, like just the vibrancy of that scene. And you see the, you see the, the antichrist with the devil sliding his arm inside the sleeve of the antichrist, and then you see the resurrection of the damned, and then you see the, and then you see the resurrection of those of, and then you see the, and then you see the resurrection of those of the saints coming up out of their graves. It's such a famous picture painting, but seeing it in person is just something else. And seeing a city properly ordered, where the cathedral is the highest point, and you see a culture and a civilization properly ordered and built by people who actually believe this faith. It was really spectacular man, because I I live in new york where the tallest building is the trade center, because everybody's god is money, yeah, and and to really just to see a city properly ordered. It made you realize that everything that's going on today, like even the craziness in the church today, it's all part of God's plan. Right now, like I don't care what's going on with Francis, I don't care about any of that. You see what proper Christendom can do. It forms the mind and heart properly and you get a well-ordered civilization from it. So we may be disordered right now, but there's something going on where God is allowing it for some reason Going into these cathedrals, you go in and if you think about when King Charles had his coronation, the regular people of England couldn't just go to that coronation, right like.

Speaker 3: 16:28

You had to be a dignitary. You have to be, you know, you have to be a head of state or you have to be royalty to go to that coronation. When you walk into these cathedrals, they're castles, and they're castles to the king of kings and it's really ours, it's our inheritance. You really understand why these things were built. Because they were built for us, for the hundreds of generations that would come after they were built to really feel like they're going into the kingdom. You see, the colonization of the kingdom of heaven on earth. It was just something I I wasn't expecting to to really comprehend, but it was just unbelievable. Then, uh, there was the, the baffling things about italy. Every toilet is different and almost every bathroom has something that doesn't work. I was baffled by the incompetence of the Italian plumbing system.

Speaker 4: 17:26

It's Africa. What do you expect, man?

Speaker 3: 17:29

I'll give you an example. So we go to Loretto. Okay, man, I have to show you guys some stuff, because in Loretto, Loretto you're going to, and it's the Holy House of Loretto which is the house that Mary. The angel Gabriel came to Mary and gives her, you know, gives her the message. Yeah, so the legend is that angels carried it from Jerusalem during the Crusades and brought it to Loretto.

Speaker 1: 18:03

Through Croatia. There's a spot in Croatia that is venerated as the spot it touched down shortly that it touched down shortly.

Speaker 3: 18:10

And then and then goes to loretto. This is the marble screen in front of the actual wall. So it's really just three walls that are there and uh, so we go and see this, this, this, this funny uh construction from first century judea better than modern italian plumbing?

Speaker 3: 18:33

oh, um, so all right, so we got. Well, I'll, I'll bring you guys through some of this stuff, but so we we leave this and nicole had to use the bathroom. So we go to some little cafe and she goes to use the bathroom. She goes in and every toilet flushes different and there's a cable in there and she pulls the cable. But the cable is for if an old person gets trapped in the bathroom. They pull the cable and an alarm goes off. Oh no, so the whole restaurant has this alarm blaring. Oh no.

Speaker 1: 19:07

The woman behind the counter had to go and rescue nicole rip. Wow, nicole looks out mortified like oh my god.

Speaker 3: 19:15

Then there was another instance that was really funny. We had, uh, this kid patrick. Uh was with us. I, uh we called him little patrick the whole time, to not confuse him with big Patrick, poor little. And we, we go to Siena. While we were in Siena and he was praying in one of like the I I don't know what you would call it Like. It was a little sanctuary he was praying in, and it turns out it was. It was St Catherine's kitchen, and they left for siesta and locked it with him in there and we had to leave to go to Florence and catch a tour, so we had to leave him behind. There's Konomi. There he is, there's Konomi. No wonder the hotel staff came to my room. I mean, I guess you could be trapped in worse places.

Speaker 4: 20:11

Well, that's what he said. So we actually catherine's kitchen for a while.

Speaker 3: 20:13

Yeah, I'd rather be doing that in some crazy place bobby's in the chat, bobby told him he's like you need, like that woman tried to kidnap you, man, like you need to have a devotion to saint catherine. Like that's not, that's not by accident, and not just that. We, we left for the tour to go to florence and when we get to florence it was pouring rain and we were all saturated. We're like saint catherine tried to prevent you from going and getting stuck in the rain. Like she was trying to.

Speaker 1: 20:37

She was trying to warn you, you know so italians take their midday naps pretty seriously, huh oh man, it's pretty frustrating when you want to get something and everything is closed it's like yeah, it's pretty frustrating um, is there like a certain time that like culturally, they all do it, or is it kind of just?

Speaker 3: 20:55

basically from like 12 to 2, 11, 30 to 2. The other thing is coffee culture is insane there. Their coffee culture is just out of control. You could have a cappuccino in the morning If you order one after 12, they look at you like you have three heads.

Speaker 1: 21:10

What really?

Speaker 3: 21:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:14

I suppose they switch to wine by 10 or 11, right.

Speaker 3: 21:17

It's something to do with your digestion and I did not. Okay, so let me tell you about Florence real quick. I did not, Okay, so let me tell you about Florence real quick. Everywhere we went throughout this tour, you saw the proper ordering of saints and stuff. Right.

Speaker 3: 21:32

Now when you go to Florence. Florence is the money center, medici's, the Medici's, and they're dealing with usury and stuff like that, right? Oh, that's right. I should say there was. There was a dude, the restaurant you go to there's no top of the toilet seat because they don't want you going to the bathroom, like they don't want you to drop on a deuce at the restaurant. So they remove the top toilet section, so you don't want to sit on it and there's there's a picture of a grenade with an x through it?

Speaker 1: 22:03

you mean like the actual toilet seat is gone, the toilet seat is just gone the thing you sit on.

Speaker 3: 22:08

Yes, I'm telling you, the bathrooms in Italy are so bonkers.

Speaker 4: 22:14

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 22:14

I don't think I'm going to go over anytime soon. Dude me and Bob. I had such a fun time with Bobby man he just.

Speaker 3: 22:23

That's never stopped me. The ladies were doing a lot of squatting over the toilets, I heard. I don't know, I think they were even doing it in the women's rooms, but all right. So, florence, there's something so disordered about the Church of Santa Cruces, so when you go there, there's tombs in the ground. You walk over people's tombs, but they're not saints, they're the wealthy of florence. You go there and you and you see the tomb of machiavelli. You don't see tombs of saints. You see michelangelo, you do see dante, and dante's not a saint, but I mean he's. He wrote, he wrote the divine comedy, mean he should.

Speaker 1: 23:04

Divine Comedy. That's what we should have called the show.

Speaker 3: 23:09

There were in even the artwork. They would put the Medici's Above Our Lady, like it was blasphemous.

Speaker 3: 23:17

Really Some of the stuff, yeah, and it was really disordered. The Duomo in Florence I never saw a more beautiful exterior and you're like I have to get in this thing, I have to see what's inside. Especially you have to go in through rome and seeing saint peter's and seeing orvieto, like you see these places and you you think you're going to go inside and see this stunning artwork and all this stuff. You go in and it's just an open, empty hall with a couple of duomo in florence and the.

Speaker 3: 23:48

They explained it as like they wanted the exterior beauty to draw you in and then it'd be contemplative when you go inside. Like so it was.

Speaker 1: 23:57

It was interesting, florence um, did you just ran out of money?

Speaker 3: 24:02

that's's possible too.

Speaker 4: 24:04

They were like scramble, Think for a good, pious reason. They had the Jewish Contemplation.

Speaker 3: 24:09

They had the Jewish star in a couple of places.

Speaker 1: 24:14

In Florence.

Speaker 3: 24:15

The Star of David like on their churches, and I'm like is that because they were mixed up in usurians.

Speaker 1: 24:21

Could be because they were mixed up with the Jewish bankers.

Speaker 4: 24:25

Well, it is fairly, it is somewhat common, like I mean, even here in texas, like all the german churches around here usually have one, but it's most of the time it's like star of bethlehem, like that's the idea behind it, as opposed to like the modern political thing which we associated with yeah, it was interesting, like I.

Speaker 3: 24:42

I couldn't tell if it was to like placate. You know, I guess, I guess I don't know, it was the only place we saw it. Really that's the only reason I questioned it. There was something really uh amazing that happened when we were in florence. I mean, that's kind of the end of the trip, so maybe I should uh back up a little bit, but so it was first rome, then assisi, then florence.

Speaker 4: 25:06

Right, those were your. So okay, so it was rome, then lanciano.

Speaker 3: 25:11

Okay, we went to lanciano. Then we went to san giovanni rotundo and saw padre pio how was that?

Speaker 4: 25:17

I mean, is that pretty cool? Do you get to go see the body?

Speaker 3: 25:20

we got to see the body of padre pio. It it was on display. It was amazing seeing where Padre Pio lived. Then at the end they take you through and they let you watch this video and the whole video is like oh, the center, we're going to take you to the Padre Pio Center and they start talking about the Rupnik art. So I skipped that. I just totally skipped the Rupnik Center, like I didn't even go to it. So I skipped that. I just totally skipped the Rupnik Center, like I didn't even go to it. And the few people that were with us, they went and they were just like it was just appalling.

Speaker 3: 25:53

Like it was just, they just felt great and they even still talk about it. It's an old video so they don't like. They talk about the Rupnik Art like it's beautiful, oh my gosh, in the video. It was really strange. You know, we had a we when we were in San Giovanni Rotundo. There was a another tour from Texas there and we wound up meeting up with this tour from Texas and they had a priest, so we were able to celebrate mass with him and then at the end of the day, when we would get back to the hotel at night, I roped them into hanging out until one in the morning and drinking with us too. It's just, but it wasn't. Look the drinking, I think. Um, I don't. I mean, it was clearly me getting everybody to drink. So I don't know. I don't know if Patrick was taken back by that, because Patrick doesn't drink.

Speaker 4: 26:45

Oh does he. He's a teetotaler.

Speaker 3: 26:47

Yeah, he doesn't drink, so I don't know if he was like I don't know. I hope he wasn't mad. I mean we had such a good time just bonding at night Like we would just talk about different things and it would always be about the faith. It wasn't like we were, you know, getting into trouble or anything. We would always talk about the faith. We had the, the, the people from texas like shared their conversion stories. Now that the the tour from texas. They were very normie, novus ordo, right, so like very normie, where they didn't even know the rupnik stuff so like when we told them about the rupnik art like they were like, are you serious?

Speaker 3: 27:26

The guy Steve that was hanging out with Stephen. I think he likes to be called Stephen. I don't think he likes Steve, but Stephen was like why does that ever stop? You.

Speaker 1: 27:36

That's true.

Speaker 3: 27:40

Yeah, when we told him of all the Rupnik allegations and stuff, he was very taken back from it. We're working on it, mr Segi. They were a beautiful group. They just had a simple faith. They were from Texas and stuff. We had a lot of fun with them. Yeah, we called them Stone Cold, steve Auses.

Speaker 4: 28:00

Where were they from? In Texas?

Speaker 3: 28:03

I don't think he was from the austin area. He spent time there. I I think they might have been near tyler. Okay, like I think they might have been near tyler because they did know bishop strickland when we, when we mentioned him, okay, um, but um, yeah, it was just, uh, the the rupnik art man. Oh, it was just it's so ugly.

Speaker 3: 28:25

It's so ugly, like, so ugly. Um, oh, we also went to san angelo, okay, so, all right, the way this trip went it was it was just non-stop where. So we would be up late drinking and then we'd have to be up at 5 am, 6 am, and you'd have to get ready. You'd have to go have breakfast and then you hit your tour, and we were doing two different tours a day, so you'd see one thing in the morning, take a bus ride and then go see another thing.

Speaker 3: 28:51

I think it was almost sensory overload, like you forget that you went to places because you're seeing so much stuff, and I think I would have liked to slow it down a little bit and be able to contemplate some of this stuff and just sit and pray. They didn't like we didn't have much free time during the day. They would give you, they would give you like an, an hour and a half in between the things to go get lunch and kind of like stroll around, but like you spend 45 minutes an hour having lunch and you don't really have time to soak in the thing that you just saw.

Speaker 1: 29:22

Yeah, to soak in the thing that you just saw? Yeah, did. Have you had a chance to listen to um rick's show with us while you were gone?

Speaker 3: 29:27

no, so I'm, I got through.

Speaker 1: 29:29

Uh, keith and mike, uh michael hitchborn so rick was in rome a week or two before you actually, and he, um, he's, they just they didn't do any tours or anything like that. They basically just chilled in rome for however long they were there. And he said, like that's how he plans on doing it in the future from now on, because you know, he could just explore what and when he wanted and just take it all in. Uh, he said, everywhere you turn was this little, you know little centuries old church with relics in it.

Speaker 3: 30:01

Yeah, that you never find on a tour it's it was. The greatest part was that there was no lines like because of the time of year we went. The only downside was because of the jubilee in 2025. A lot of the things are under construction for cleaning. So, like you, we went to the trevi fountain and you couldn't really see the trevi fountain because it's being cleaned and there's scaffolding up and stuff like that um, they're excited for the gay pride that's gonna be there, the gay pride parade there was a couple look, everybody that went on this thing got something from it.

Speaker 3: 30:39

And there was a point where we were visiting St Clair, and why did Anthony pronounce it as Jubilee? Jubilee, we were visiting St Clair and my wife just started crying uncontrollably, had you recently said something.

Speaker 3: 31:00

No, it was because of St Clair. So, look, you see, st Rita first, and my wife was wondering which saint she was going to get a devotion to on this trip, like, because the whole trip was about the saints man, Like you, you, you see how these things bring the Catholic faith to life in a way that you don't see in America, because we just don't have exposure to it. And we go to St Rita first. Now St Ritaita. She was married. Her husband, uh, dies or he gets killed and she has two sons and she's worried. The sons are going to go and avenge the father. So she's a mother and she winds up becoming a nun. So my, my wife thought she would wind up having a devotion to her, and and she winds up Assuming you get killed randomly.

Speaker 3: 31:51

Yeah, new York. She ends up just having this emotional experience with St Claire and she's just crying uncontrollably and she was mortified, dude, like she was just so embarrassed she didn't want anybody to see her crying and Bobby caught it from like the corner of his eye and he saw it and bobby went and bought her a book on st claire. So it was a really beautiful thing.

Speaker 4: 32:11

Did your kids go with you?

Speaker 3: 32:13

no, just me and nicole there was another couple there that, um, they were a few years older than us but they have like the same exact scenario, like they had three kids. Um, just so many similarities between us and Tara and Jason, and Jason had come on the trip, I'm pretty sure Tara. So Tara, tara's like very devout Catholic and she kind of talked Jason into coming. I I don't know if she had to drag him, but like when she first mentioned it, he, he was a little hesitant to go and she talked him into coming and I think this trip I mean I don't want to speak for him, but I think this trip- I don't want to speak for him, but hold on, I'm going to Speak for him.

Speaker 3: 32:57

I don't want to speak for him, but I'm about to speak for him, being around Catholics who actually believe the faith and aren't weird. And some of the questions he had were about the Eucharist. And he just opened up to us one night and just because I think when we first got there, I think he was very guarded and he didn't want to let anybody know that like he had doubts about stuff, right, so he actually doubts about stuff, right. So he actually isn't a confirmed Catholic. So he was going up and just kind of with his arms crossed and getting blessed during communion and stuff like that, and nobody really picked up on it. I didn't know if he, you know, maybe he just wasn't receiving for some, some reason or something, but he just opened up to us one night about some of his doubts and stuff and then we were able to have conversations about the Eucharist.

Speaker 3: 33:52

It was just such a beautiful trip to just be Catholic. You know where, by the end of it, nicole had said to me um, she's like, you know, I I never understood why you were so, like, insistent on the history of Catholicism. Why are you so insistent on studying these things that happened throughout history and knowing medieval Catholicism she's like, but seeing the things that she saw just brought the faith home to her. Dude. If you knew the Catholic art she's hanging around the house, I'm like what is going on?

Speaker 1: 34:25

with this woman?

Speaker 3: 34:27

whoa she's hanging yeah, well, she's not putting nails up you're not waiting 30 days to hang it for her I haven't hung anything yet, but she's putting stuff up all over the place um the last, the last night we were in florence.

Speaker 3: 34:43

Before I start showing you guys some of the stuff we saw, the last night we were in fl. Before I start showing you guys some of the stuff we saw, the last night we were in Florence was a Saturday night and we were all going to be traveling on Sunday and we weren't going to be able to go to Mass on Sunday, so we had to find a vigil Mass, which was a Novus Ordo, which Nick is not happy about Anticipatory, not vigil.

Speaker 1: 35:00

I know I'll tell you one thing before I even get into that what I know, I'll tell you one thing before I even get into that.

Speaker 3: 35:04

There was one thing that was very hurting was seeing the new mass in these ancient churches Just doesn't belong. Thousand percent, thousand percent. It just does not belong. It's a fish out of water, it just doesn't. It does not belong, it's is it? These beautiful holy sites deserve a liturgy fit. I mean they, they were designed with the traditional liturgy in mind when they made them. All those beautiful high altars. I mean when you see Loretto and you see the modern altar that's out in front of that marble screen, it's just very off-putting. There's also in loretto. There's an exhibit that the americans paid for and they started it in the 1950s but finished it in 1970 after the council, and it has a spaceship in it and it has.

Speaker 4: 36:02

Oh, that's what you meant by it. It has.

Speaker 3: 36:06

Sputnik, not Rupnik. Sputnik, the freaking Russian dog Dude. This thing is just so out of place.

Speaker 1: 36:16

Hold on. I think you sent a picture of that. Did I send a picture I?

Speaker 4: 36:19

didn't know what you were talking about when you sent it.

Speaker 3: 36:21

If you zoom, in on it you see, there's a spaceship that has paul the sixth and john paul the second on the spaceship. Oh my god where you see the spaceship on the right there. Can you zoom in on that, rob?

Speaker 4: 36:33

oh, yeah, yeah, I can you see the space?

Speaker 1: 36:37

hold on, hold on what is going on. That's too big. Put him in a new tab here.

Speaker 3: 36:48

It was so out of place.

Speaker 1: 36:50

Where Right here?

Speaker 3: 36:51

Yes, and in the bottom right is Sputnik, the Russian dog that went up in the spaceship.

Speaker 1: 36:58

Okay, number one, sputnik was the satellite the dog. I forget the dog's name, but it wasn't Sputnik.

Speaker 4: 37:06

I think the dog was Lila or something.

Speaker 1: 37:08

Laika, laika.

Speaker 3: 37:10

I don't know my Russian history. I'm sorry guys, I don't know my space, lore.

Speaker 4: 37:16

And at least there's a semi-traditional nativity right there, at least I guess Look this was just out of place compared to the other stuff that was there yeah, because the height, the altar right there looks like it's out of the 15th century, but everything else looks like it's out of the 70s let me see um.

Speaker 3: 37:37

Let me just see rob. Do you see the um man? It going to be hard to find.

Speaker 1: 37:44

Let me see I can pull up your Twitter images, because you posted a lot more pictures on Twitter.

Speaker 3: 37:54

I don't think I posted this one.

Speaker 1: 37:59

Yeah, but you were also drinking and posting, so who knows? All right, wait Let me think Hold me, hold on, hold on. Did you buy that ring? Which one the one you oh the out the no.

Speaker 3: 38:14

No, I didn't get that one because that one was 260 euros, oh ouch, which is a big hit. But my wife and I did buy matching ring Marion rings because I don't have a wedding band. Really.

Speaker 3: 38:28

My wedding. My original wedding band doesn't fit me anymore. I was 22 when I got married. It only fits my pinky. If that, I don't even know if I could get it on my pinky. So I wanted to get a ring while I was there and we wound up finding I'll send the picture of that. And we wound up finding I'll send a picture of that. We wound up finding these really nice matching rings like that. I think I posted it on this other chat.

Speaker 4: 38:54

Laika was launching a separate spacecraft. That's right.

Speaker 1: 38:57

Yeah, Laika was a couple years later.

Speaker 4: 38:59

Yeah, it was like three officials. It was like Tess with Sputnik, then Laika, the the dog and then I forget the guy. But he just went into it you yeah, and then went back down poor like a man. She got cooked by radiation. She did. She was a japanese hot dog yeah, I'm sending the rings.

Speaker 3: 39:20

I just sent the rings um. They were just they were just rings that these were $150 each. I was able to get two of them for $300 instead of just that one for $280. I got these two for the same price that one would have been.

Speaker 4: 39:35

Two for the price of one. Yeah, hey, there you go.

Speaker 3: 39:39

Oh, those look cool, and we wound up getting them blessed. When we were in Florence the last day, a priest blessed them for us Barbecue in space.

Speaker 1: 39:50

Oh Wow, you know it's bad when Sean thinks your joke went too far, nick.

Speaker 4: 39:57

You know, I think that you just need a little bit thicker skin. That's all I'm going to say. I'm surprised no one's called out my title title under my name yet, like nobody oh, it doesn't send all the taggings back to mexico we're calling up trump to deport you I was like man nobody

Speaker 3: 40:18

god, I don't always read it because I forget that you change it every time.

Speaker 4: 40:24

I made it extra offensive for tonight.

Speaker 3: 40:28

Why don't you show the first video I took, Rob the San Angelo, Because San Angelo, this place man, I could have spent a week in this place. It was the first video I sent. It was just the castle. This is a few of the highlights from the trip. I want to play Like don't play the audio, because you just need heavy breathing I ran out of 500 steps to take this.

Speaker 3: 40:56

But look at how stunning this place was, man it. You just, you can't explain what you're seeing when you see it. It's just this giant hustle up in the middle of nowhere. No, I'm just heavy breathing. I'm telling you it's just. And then let's do the Holy House Loretto video. I'll take you guys through that. One Like this is the holy screen. I mean, the marble screen in front of the Holy house was just so beautiful and Julius the second built this, or he commissioned it. Julius the second commissioned it. And even this like the line to get in to see the Holy house, like typically there would be 20, 30,000 people at this place.

Speaker 4: 41:44

And yeah, it was just like absolutely beautiful this is just what makes, like the the cat, the modern catholic humanism, as I call it, just so infuriating, because it's like, like goodness gracious, these are beautiful, like these are literally acts of worship that are literally forever, until christ comes back in stone.

Speaker 3: 42:06

And yet we're pretty much just being like, yeah, let's just build like a weird bowl shaped square and call it we're good to go, the hardest part is that these men are in italy and they see this stuff and they see people and tourists are coming from around the world to come and see the beauty and their idea is felt banners to replace it like.

Speaker 3: 42:29

I know it's like you have to really understand how diabolical that is for real, that they think they know better. But people from all around the world, even if they're not catholic, want to come and see this stuff because it is absolutely stunning, like it's like that saying that tradition is the democracy of the dead and modern man is just so full of hubris that we forget that. We know better.

Speaker 3: 42:53

So full of hubris, even the Protestants who are like they just don't grasp what we're doing in the art, right, the art is, it shows you what a faith inspired by God can create, right? So, okay, go down to the Duomo di Orvieto the picture, the still picture, and just show that first picture, the Duomo di Orvieto picture. You guys have to, you have to see the detail, and I'm going to show you the close-up and then we'll back up so you see what this is, this is. This is the damned, right, you see the damned in hell. Okay, now click the next picture and you and you start to grasp how big this is, like, okay, so you still don't really see how big this is. So it starts with the damned and that's the tree of life. Doesn't it look like a dna strand kind of? Yeah, it does, looks like a dna strand. This is made in what?

Speaker 3: 43:53

the 10th century, 11th century and then, I'm assuming, it's like christ, the king in judgment at the top then go go down to the next one, rob, and look at this, look at this. This is eve being created from adam's rib. Okay, okay, this. When I tell you how big this is, this is up. The whole column of the church is gigantic, but it has the entire Old Testament, starting from Genesis, and it takes you through Cain murdering Abel and it shows you the middle ages. You have people who are illiterate and they come to the church and they actually get the scripture in stone and you see the amount of detail that goes into these things and it took 300 years for them to build this thing.

Speaker 3: 44:49

And you just think about how much the people who to think 300 years down the road, like my kids won't see it, my grandkids won't see it, my great grandkids won't see it. But we're going to put our hearts and soul into this and build something to God. But we're going to put our hearts and soul into this and build something to god. It was so incredible to really see a properly ordered civilization and how disordered we are. Now I'm telling you so go to the next video and you kind of get a grasp of how big the scope of this thing is this. So can you make that bigger? Yeah, like this thing is gigantic.

Speaker 3: 45:27

So you see the pillar right here yeah, that's where you're looking at, like wow, and look at the people when you, you know, so you could get like a uh, an idea of scale. It is gigantic, like those. Those little statues that you're looking at are all like three feet big each. You know, they're just incredible. And then the next picture is the p, the, the pieta, in the duomo which and I kind of want you to see this this pieta that's there this isn't the pieta.

Speaker 3: 46:02

Right, it's not the pieta, it is a pieta, and there's something about this that you need to really see the detail in it to understand why I think I like this one better first of all, looks like we got confucius up there. Just gonna say that okay, so that's uh, nicodemus okay, that makes sense. Yeah, now look in his hands he's holding the tool that removed the nails and the nails. Okay, so if you look, if you really understand right?

Speaker 4: 46:33

now.

Speaker 3: 46:34

Mary is looking like, look what they've done to my son. And then you have Mary Magdalene holding Christ's feet. She has his hand in one hand and then his foot in the other, nicodemus's face okay, so the whole you have the crown of thorns down here.

Speaker 1: 46:50

It looks like crown of thorns.

Speaker 3: 46:52

The whole statue is shiny because mary, jesus and mary magdalene all had faith in christ. Nicodemus had that doubt right, and when Christ talks to him he just you know like Jesus has to sit there and tell him like, unless you're born again, you cannot enter the kingdom. So only Nicodemus's face is not shiny. You can't see it in the picture so much, but when you're in front of it his face is is like matte, where the all the rest of the statue is shiny because they've been. Oh dude, there's something so beautiful about this statue. The thing is the, the real pieta, has mary's face still so, but it was just. It was just very different, and I thought the nails and the, the tool to remove the nails, was just so such an interesting thing to see. Now, the next. The next thing I'm going to show you guys is the, the last judgment, and this is Luca Signorella Signorelli. I believe you're the Italian. I believe it's Luca Signorelli. Bobby, if you're in the chat, you have the book. Tell me if.

Speaker 1: 48:09

I'm right on that.

Speaker 3: 48:11

See if you can make that big okay so look at the look at the image there. Right, the image is the antichrist, right there, right, you see I'm pointing at the screen, like everybody can see what I'm pointing at yeah, right there, right there, no, no the Antichrist is on the stone.

Speaker 1: 48:27

Oh, right here. Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 3: 48:29

Antichrist and the devil is sliding his arm in his sleeve.

Speaker 1: 48:34

Oh, I've seen the close-up of that.

Speaker 3: 48:36

yeah, I think I might have put a close-up in there of it so you could see it, but it's just when you walk in and see this. I think I did right. Nope, that's not the close-up, that's the next one, I think.

Speaker 1: 48:49

Nope, it's not in there. No, it's right there. You just covered it.

Speaker 3: 48:53

Right, right, right there that.

Speaker 1: 48:56

Oh, okay.

Speaker 3: 48:58

So you see that, like, look at that scene, man, you can't understand how big this is unless you see it.

Speaker 2: 49:14

But when you walk in every single person that we were with saw this, and they were like it put the fear of hell in you.

Speaker 3: 49:19

It put the fear of hell in you. So look, there's the holy, sacred vessels from the temple were misused and they're broken on the floor. Can you see them below? All I could think about seeing this was the Novus Ordo liturgy.

Speaker 1: 49:37

Yeah, I was just going to say.

Speaker 3: 49:39

The sacred vessels being mistreated and the Antichrist is sitting there. I'm telling you this whole scene just completely. Yeah, Luca Signorelli just completely struck me when I saw this man. It was I don't know. I couldn't get that. We are in these times out of my head, in these times out of my head. So if you go through the video, on this side of the ceiling you have the resurrection of the damned. Now up top. I think those are bible stories, but that that right, that other, uh, arch, there is the resurrection of the damned. Then as you go around to the other side, you get the resurrection of the living.

Speaker 3: 50:26

So I think you see, it's like brighter in a way brighter and you actually will see the people rising from their graves. But you'll, you'll have, look at the top, above the window, that's christ, right. Even the way the window is positioned, pointed right at Christ, at the light. Now, on this right wall, on the wall to the right I think I put it in the other video is where you'll see the resurrection of of the uh saved. But it's hard, it's hard, man, I, I, I didn't want to send you guys too much because, like, who the hell wants to watch my, my videos? But it just was.

Speaker 3: 51:00

There were just some things that were just so absolutely stunning. You kind of had to see them. Like, look at that altar, there was also a Eucharistic miracle at this church. So, right there, you see, you see the, the last battle of the apocalypse there, and then, as it scrolls right wait till you see it as it scrolls right, you'll see the bodies coming up out of their graves. Oh yeah, dude, this was so absolutely beautiful man, it just I don't know, I don't know it just I'm not like a big art guy, but something about seeing the souls that were moved to make these things, and it kind of put all the stuff we're going through in perspective.

Speaker 3: 51:44

I'm telling you, it made me feel like I don't really care about Francis. I don't care about any of it. I just I never felt so deeply in love with my Catholic. I came home from work. I came home and had to go to work the next day no-transcript. Like it's not for the wealthy, it's not for the prestigious. Like it's for us schleps. We get to go. Yeah, it really is our. Our art is a catechism and it it shows you. Like when I'm watching the protestants getting on me about the stuff I'm posting, I'm like you.

Speaker 4: 52:45

Just, your faith does not inspire someone to do something like this no, and if they're being honest with themselves, deep deep down they were like I was whenever I went inside a cathedral in Spain and Barcelona. I was a Protestant, but I was just like I remember, thinking distinctly how can a church which is so false build such beautiful images to God Like? Even if you're all anti images and all that, you can't help it because you're made for beauty.

Speaker 3: 53:12

It's, it's so. It's like I just don't see how anybody could go and see this stuff and not be moved. Yeah, move to the point of seeing, like, what inspired someone to make that? Somebody had I posted a picture of the PA and somebody said. Somebody said I can see the PA and I just see it as a piece of art. It's about grief, it's not about God. It's like, no, that's actually factually wrong. It's about the death of God and the agony and the grief of what we killed God, and the agony and the grief on Our Lady's face. She knows he's going to rise, she knows he's coming back. Her, her, her grief and her heartbreak is that we killed pure love Like we. We killed love itself and it and it had to just crush her like that, the like. People can't, can't. How do you see that and not get that? The thing that made him build it and carve it and sculpt it was love, like it was, it was hardened heart.

Speaker 3: 54:21

That's how it's so nuts. Yeah, the atheist man like how you, how you miss out on some of the things that are most important in this life. At the last thing, I, uh the last couple things I posted were from Florence. I posted a video of just the last mass in Florence. So play the clip from the last mass and then I have to tell you what happened at this mass. It was some like. You're not even going to believe this, nick. When you hear this, you're going to bug, probably will this is aftermath.

Speaker 3: 55:09

Okay, so this is the choir. They were a visiting choir from England. Okay, we didn't have a priest with us for this trip and it was kind of kind of like threw the trip off a little bit because having a chaplain for the trip Rob, do you remember when we went to Pennsylvania how much different the trip was because we had Father Nix with us? Yeah, like to have daily Mass and to be called to hey, it's have daily mass and to be called to.

Speaker 3: 55:39

Hey, it's rosary time to be called to. Hey, let's, let's, let's, it's time to pray it constantly, like as much of the bonding experience that goes on, it's, it's a, it becomes a retreat, as opposed to just boys hanging out, you know so, this was definitely not just boys hanging out. We did have an element of bonding at the end of every single day, those females on the altar. And, anthony, there was no females on the altar. Oh, that might have been for the, it was a novus ordo but he just meant in the choir there, that's all but there were women in the choir, obviously, but um, they're the, so we go into this church, okay.

Speaker 3: 56:17

so first off, we're, we're. We know we have to travel on Sunday, so we're like we have to go to mass. You don't want to miss mass? Let's just find a local, a local vigil mass, just to at least fulfill our obligation.

Speaker 1: 56:28

Anticipatory mass.

Speaker 3: 56:30

So OK, that'll work.

Speaker 1: 56:32

Well, they're not vigil masses.

Speaker 3: 56:34

Well, we have to fill our obligation. We were traveling the next day, so we looked up a few different places and we just settled on this church. We get there and on the outside it's just a very mediocre church. It doesn't look like anything. We walk inside this church I'm going to send you a few pictures that I didn't put in the thing because you kind of got to see this.

Speaker 3: 56:55

There's a relic from the Holy Sepulcher, the tomb where Christ rises, right. So you walk in and you see that there's a painting of, there's a fresco to St Michael the Archangel slaying Lucifer and God the Father above him, but God the Father's face is blurred because you're not supposed to actually paint god the father. It's actually, you know, you're not supposed to do that, which I, in the beginning of the trip, when we saw the sistine chapel, I was trying to explain that to the uh, the other pilgrims and it it got into not an argument, but like a conversation between me and patrick about discussing is it appropriate to paint the face of god the father? And then, when we went to Florence, the girl in Florence, the tour guide, was like no, no, no, this is actually a big debate during that time Like are you actually supposed to paint God's father? It's, you know it was. Can some people consider it a blasphemy? So it wound up being a similar conversation. What we had then, on the right hand side, right to the right of the altar, there was a fresco to St Anthony Abadi. It was like, dude, it's our last day there.

Speaker 3: 58:05

I watched my wife cry at St Clair's tomb. I watched Bobby have a moment when he I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this, I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this Bobby touched. When we saw that PA tie at the Duomo, the one I just showed you, bobby touched Christ's foot with the nail in it and from that point he had this intense pain in his foot and he, like the whole trip he was limping and like hobbling around. Then, when we went to this church in Florence, he was hobbling for days. Dude, I'm telling you, there was another statue of Christ on the floor and he touched the foot again and his foot stopped hurting. It was just. It was just a very the amount of coincidences that happened for us to end up at this church. The priest gives the homily. Yes, there is, it's St Anthony of the Desert actually.

Speaker 1: 59:06

The Italians just have to be different.

Speaker 3: 59:08

Abadi is just Abbot, right. So St Anthony of the Desert, which is the father of Western monasticism, father of Western monasticism. Dude, the other thing, we went to the Benedict, like the original first Benedictine monastery.

Speaker 1: 59:23

You went to Monte Cassino.

Speaker 3: 59:24

Monte Cassino. And at Monte Cassino during World War II, like so much of it was bombed but there were like segments that are still the original and stuff. Bro, we went to Monte Cassino, you know who bombed it? Yeah, we did. Bro, we went to Monte Cassino, you know who bombed it? Yeah, we did, we did. Yeah, the Americans Thinking that there were Germans in there or claiming that we thought Germans were in there. It was really just to destroy the freaking thing. Yeah, so we go there. We had the place to ourselves. We were the only tour group there. Really, rob, there were so many, so many times where we were the only group there. Wow, it was so unbelievable, like how many places we went to and we were the only ones there. Even the Duomo and Orvieto, we were pretty much the only ones there. I can't tell you how many times that happened where there was just no tourists. We had the place to ourselves, we just got to walk around. I don't think I would ever go back to Italy any other time but December.

Speaker 1: 1:00:23

I was having the same thought, jim, everyone fled hearing Anthony was coming.

Speaker 3: 1:00:31

So, yeah, it was just to go there and even see like the first Benedictine monastery, like it was just beautiful. Oh, so much of it, all right. So Florence. So the priest because that's an English choir that was visiting the priest spoke Italian and English and he gave half his homily in Italian and then he speaks English. And when I heard he spoke English, I'm like I'm I'm bothering this guy. So after mass he goes to walk out. I'm like no, no, no, father, we got to talk. I'm like listen, we're here on pilgrimage.

Speaker 3: 1:01:08

Our priest wasn't able to make it. I'm like none of us have been able to go to confessions or any way you could hear our confession. That priest stayed with us for an hour at the Mass and heard every single person's confession that wanted to go and then blessed mine and Nicole's rings before we left. One other coincidence that happened we had Adrian, my friend Adrian, that was with us from Manchester. Dude, you think you can't understand the things I say, adrian from Manchester. We're at one point we're out and he's talking to the tour guide. The tour guide just looks at you and goes I don't know what you're saying. It's as if you swallow half your words, half your letters. It's like you just keep swallowing half your letters. I don't even know what you're saying.

Speaker 1: 1:01:53

Oh my gosh Dude.

Speaker 3: 1:01:54

None of us can understand him, but when he would speak in a texas accent, because the texas group was there, that was the only time we could understand them. So adrian was from manchester, the priest was from manchester, ohio. So it was just like one more little coincidence. And through all this, anthony didn't bring the gopro. I had it, I just didn't interview anybody I should have.

Speaker 1: 1:02:19

We're done with him. We had four shows with good guest hosts. We don't need him anymore. I fully agree.

Speaker 3: 1:02:29

I'm playing you. I should have, I should have, yeah, so look, all in all it it was an experience that, if I had known um the spot, saint benedict oh my gosh, like saint benedict falls and lands on a stone and the stone became soft as a pillow and his arm just kind of like so the stone.

Speaker 3: 1:02:55

You could go there and lay your arm in the stone, where the stone softened for his arm to hit yeah, he was like an old man and he just collapsed and fell and and his arm fell into the stone. There was so many things, man, I like we have to do another pennsylvania trip rob because I have to get. I have to get bobby trip trip Rob because I have to get. I have to get Bobby and Adrian and Kenomi and little Patrick together. Little Patrick lives in like 10 minutes from me. He lives in Babylon, Ironically.

Speaker 1: 1:03:27

Babylon, Long Island.

Speaker 3: 1:03:29

It's in Babylon, long Island. So, um, him, I'm going to probably drag to mass with me on Sunday. I know I'll see Patrick, but, um, him, I'm going to probably drag to mass with me on Sunday. I know I'll see Patrick, but we have to. Oh, it was New Hampshire, manchester, new Hampshire, not Ohio, manchester, new Hampshire. So well, what we're what me and Bobby were thinking, is we'll do my uncle's house and we'll we'll drag Bobby's brother Sean there and force him to go to mass. No, cause he's, he's probably listening. So Bobby's driving to Arizona with his brother Sean right now. So we're going to have to, uh, figure something out about him. We might have to force convert him. I don't know. We allowed to do that, Um, just I say and Francis is.

Speaker 4: 1:04:11

I say with all the other rules getting broken we can break that one I think so, right, yeah, just force, baptize him or something.

Speaker 3: 1:04:23

You can do it, as long as he then goes and gets a gay blessing immediately. Oh we, oh man bobby got me to buy a fedora. He was calling a fedora supplicants we did look pretty gay with our fedoras on, we were wearing them the whole time. Dude, my wife loved this hat. She wanted me to wear it every single day. The last day I freaking forgot it in Italy.

Speaker 4: 1:04:44

She wants to kill me.

Speaker 3: 1:04:47

She is so mad at me. I left that hat in Italy. Man, if I had known that going in December was going to be as empty as it was, if I had. But if I had known that going in December was going to be as empty as it was, if I had known that, um, it was going to be what it was. But I there's no way to know, like I would have. Like, nick, you should have been on that trip with us like it would have been interesting, it would have been interesting.

Speaker 3: 1:05:14

You should have been on this trip with us. It was so amazing, man Like everything about it was just so unbelievable. So so look, here's what I'm thinking to take away from it. I think we need to do a deep dive into saints, I agree, and try to like so. The purpose of titling the episode this is because there was actually I think I posted it in there, right there was a little booklet that we got about St Stephen while we were there and it talked about worshiping St Stephen, so did I put it in there? Yeah, it's like highlighted in red. Yeah, let me find it. Oh, interesting.

Speaker 4: 1:05:58

My brother is losing it right now.

Speaker 3: 1:06:05

Yeah, we're just going to kidnap him and bring him fedora supplicants, we don't want your Canadian fake money. Konomi, he said that it's 10 Canadian. It's not even real. We're about to be instated. No, I'm kidding, we appreciate it Alright. So it says the worship of Blessed Simon, not Stephen. Blessed Simon began long before.

Speaker 3: 1:06:30

Simon of Trent. No, this was Okay. So this is. Blessed Simon had to do with St Rita, but Blessed Simon was a priest who the Eucharistic miracle happened to. So he was, he was performing mass and it wasn't a typical Eucharistic miracle where he was doubting, but and it's not a typical miracle where the host bled. It's like the image of Christ is in the host or something. It's a very unique Eucharistic miracle. We saw three Eucharistic miracles while we were there. They were all very intense, very emotional experiences to go and see and it was really cool because Jason was struggling with the Eucharist and the whole trip was kind of focused on the Eucharist. But the worship of Blessed Simon began long before its approval, in 1833, at the behest of Pope Gregory XVI. His feast day is on February 16th. The idea that we can't say we worship the saints annoys me. It's a very different kind. It's not worship due to God, but our language is very Catholic. Apologetics oriented towards Protestants. Our language is Protestant, our language is Protestant.

Speaker 3: 1:07:45

We have a very sola scriptura way of seeing the world, and when you go and see the ancient faith like this, you don't care about sola scriptura, you just want to see the faith in action, you want to see a culture rebuilt by the actual Catholic faith and you also realize that whatever the hierarchy is doing now, whatever this liturgy is, is not going to be the thing that does it. I mean, you see the things that this liturgy inspires. You see the things that the current catechism inspires. We need to go back to restore what inspired the people to build the things that we saw. So I'm thinking we should do a series on the saints, and I don't know if we should each study the same saint one week and then do a deep dive into it, or if you think one of us should take the episode for the week and kind of lead it.

Speaker 3: 1:08:43

However you guys want to do it, but I want to bring the saints back to life. I want people to understand why we venerate saints and I want people to love the saints, because that is what brings the faith to life.

Speaker 1: 1:08:54

So, one, we have talked about doing a um series of readings from the golden legend, so this could either be a part that that could be a part of like this, or separate. And two, we could do it a different way. Um, I imagine at this point I probably don't have any of my family or hope's family watching, so most of you who follow me on twitter probably know that we're expecting again congratulations body I really hope my mom's not watching this because we're not telling them until we see them well, until oh yeah, you don't want to do that in case yeah, it's you're

Speaker 3: 1:09:34

actually not supposed to do that too early.

Speaker 1: 1:09:37

But anyways, we could do. We are eventually going to find out the gender, but we could try to find a saint to name my child after.

Speaker 3: 1:09:47

That would be awesome, right, that could be kind of fun. If it's a boy, I think you should go.

Speaker 1: 1:09:50

St Anthony, I have you know what I'm done. There is a St.

Speaker 4: 1:10:00

Nicholas, rob, st Nicholas is pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 1:10:03

no, sorry guys, so far let's see hold on what do we have on the list so far? So far we have Sebastian, because we could nickname him Bash and knowing my child, that makes sense Don't do the trad Catholic thing where you give him six names no, no don't do that you do

Speaker 2: 1:10:22

that, why would I? First of all, I'm not mexican, so settle down all the new trads.

Speaker 3: 1:10:29

They're like I like they'll name them sebastian august Ignatius.

Speaker 1: 1:10:36

So it would be three names at most, because we're going to pray to St Gerard to intercede and traditionally for a girl, like with Philomena, one of her middle names is Mayella, st Gerard Mayella. If we have a boy, one of his middle names is Mayella, st Gerard Mayella. If we have a boy, one of his middle names would be Gerard. We have Sebastian Dunstan, st Dunstan, we have Aiden and Blaze so far on the list for boys. For girls, we have Anastasia and Ethelwyn so far.

Speaker 3: 1:11:12

Don't do that to your kid. You have people like Anastasia. You're going to name your kid why?

Speaker 4: 1:11:18

Because you have people like Ant in this world.

Speaker 3: 1:11:20

What's the second name you get? Ethel Wynn.

Speaker 1: 1:11:23

Her nickname would be Wynn or Winnie.

Speaker 3: 1:11:26

Don't do that to that poor child. You've got to be kidding me. I call you Ant, I know Ant a bug. I'm only kidding, by the way. It's actually a beautiful name. I just think it's funny. The new trad thing to do. It's like find this name that hasn't been used since the year 300.

Speaker 1: 1:11:43

Just just, oh, you should hear the list. You should hear the list of names that I've been told. No to erin a s because you could call him ira, apparently, that's a no. Ethel stan, that's a no. And that, uh, basil. Basil, that's a no. Yeahelstan, that's a no.

Speaker 3: 1:11:57

Basil, that's a no yeah you know, in a game you could answer something that could be mistaken for food Ethelwulstan.

Speaker 4: 1:12:08

I didn't hear Thomas in there, my dad's name was Tom.

Speaker 3: 1:12:11

I'm no, yeah, it's just dude. I have a bunch of books on Saints that I'm going to read.

Speaker 1: 1:12:24

If I was really English, if I was a true Englishman, I would name him Mohammed Exactly.

Speaker 4: 1:12:29

Britain Stan.

Speaker 3: 1:12:31

Well, Rob already has a Philomena.

Speaker 4: 1:12:39

I guess I need to know all your kids names, Rob, so that I don't like to start throwing out names that are already used.

Speaker 3: 1:12:46

This is actually probably his kid's name, so what's funny? Is. Iggy's name is.

Speaker 1: 1:12:53

Ignatius.

Speaker 4: 1:12:54

Ambrose. Iggy's Ignatius Ambrose actually do have one kid be literally just the roman canon and just go, just do all the names in the roman canon and that's their name yeah, okay, so I got okay.

Speaker 3: 1:13:07

So we can never hope to be perfect like christ, but we can relate to the very flawed and human saints and find the hope to reach for Christ. I have to say something. Okay, so Bobby goes Bobby's Eastern Catholic, so he goes to a business team. Oh, I'm sorry, rip.

Speaker 4: 1:13:23

He called Roman for a reason.

Speaker 3: 1:13:25

It's not that like him and I have, like we, we, we. I'm not meant to reply, oh brother. Him and I had so many good conversations just about why you two are nuts um, while we were there.

Speaker 1: 1:13:44

What wait? Why? Who are nuts?

Speaker 3: 1:13:45

why you and nick are nuts and why are we?

Speaker 4: 1:13:47

why are we nuts? We're latin right supremacists no, we had we.

Speaker 3: 1:13:54

He bobby has, uh, a really good way of like explaining things and it was so much fun to freaking talk with him. Man. I'm like we're all like everybody that, um, we, you, just you make lifelong friends on these things, man, like it's not. You don't just go away with people and spend that kind of time together and that kind of bonding and just that's it. See you guys later we'll never talk again like you, just you. You feel like you lost family when they go home. You know it's a, it's a. It's a hard thing to say goodbye when you spend two weeks together and some of those, some of those moments were in tears, man I spent four days with you, pennsylvania, and saying goodbye was easy.

Speaker 3: 1:14:35

I'm joking, I needed a few more days, yeah, a few more days and I would have grown easy. No, we have to actually figure that out, though, rob, it's gonna be after easter, because I don't, because look coming up after after christmas. You have lent coming up.

Speaker 1: 1:14:50

I want it to be after hey, don't forget about february, man february.

Speaker 3: 1:14:55

We got to do that weekend in north carolina, but I think we should do after easter. We should do like a four-day thing together, again up at al's house and, uh, we're gonna get. I want to get some people there, man like let's not plan anything for august I'll be busy. Is that when, uh, she's due? You're thinking?

Speaker 1: 1:15:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:15:15

Okay, no, let's do it. I think we should do it in the spring, like right after Easter. I think it would be a good time. Okay, so maybe we'll open up a few spots to the public on that. Ideally, man, I would love to know if we could pull off some kind of thing with our channel and do something like this we pull off lots of stupid things with our channel.

Speaker 1: 1:15:37

What are you?

Speaker 3: 1:15:37

that's what I mean but like if we could get a group big enough and we plan it far, far, far out enough. Yeah, we say 2026 and just tell people okay, look, 2026, we're gonna go do this thing. Like can we all say and go to the holy land that'd'd be amazing, That'd be epic actually.

Speaker 1: 1:15:57

Let's make sure it's still in existence.

Speaker 3: 1:16:00

So Bobby was going to come. Bobby was going to go to the Holy Land. I don't know if I'm allowed to say what he does, so I won't. But Bobby has a job where the government wouldn't let him go. Bobby's a fed. Bobby was sent on this trip to find out my plans to overthrow the government. The RTC's converted him so alright, well, before we get off.

Speaker 1: 1:16:29

So we, anthony and I, are speakers at a well, it's a men's conference. Is it the Charleston diocese like men's conference? Something like that? We should really know this stuff. But it's going to be in, is it charlotte?

Speaker 3: 1:16:46

no, charlotte, it means charlotte charlotte, 8th and 9th, I think um, before we get off, okay, I'm going to plug again the catholic laymanman David's channel. He also does. If you're into music, he has Safe and Sound Texas Audio Excursion. Those are his two YouTube channels. I had such a great time with these people.

Speaker 4: 1:17:09

We're going to go to Locals tonight.

Speaker 3: 1:17:10

So for anybody that's new checking us out, after the show on YouTube we head over to Locals. Drone started over Anthony's house answering my Bobby just saying so, if you guys can go, subscribe to the Catholic Layman and also Safe and Sound Texas Audio Excursion. I'll probably do something with David after the holidays. It's just the next few weeks. So what's our schedule? We're going to do Thursday and then I'm assuming Tuesday we probably won't do a show because it's Christmas Eve.

Speaker 1: 1:17:38

Probably not. Do you want to do one Monday?

Speaker 3: 1:17:43

I think you guys need a little time off. Man, you guys have been at it.

Speaker 1: 1:17:47

You don't want to do it, you don't want to do a Monday, and you just don't want to say that no.

Speaker 3: 1:17:50

I'm down. I just didn't want to put that pressure on you guys.

Speaker 1: 1:17:58

I have on you guys. I have tuesday and wednesday off, obviously, so I I could do something monday if we want to, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:18:00

So we'll talk about that, we'll see. All right, we're gonna go over to locals. I want to dude, I want to talk about the drones and I want to talk about um. Did you watch any of that? Um?

Speaker 3: 1:18:12

mike ben's interview yeah, I watched it today okay, I want to talk about that and I want to talk about drones and I think I know Nick is not going to like this, but I think Trump is going to be the disclosure president and I don't like where some of these conversations are going, but we'll see. If you guys are not already subscribed, please head over to Locals. We are going to do the rest of our show over there for everybody that came on the pilgrimage. If you're still in the chat, I loved you guys. I had an amazing time with you. I don't know if our show is a little too spicy for you guys. We will see going forward.

Speaker 1: 1:18:47

If you feel like it was too spicy up to this point, locals is way worse.

Speaker 4: 1:18:54

Just up to 11.

Speaker 3: 1:18:57

We do talk about the people of the old covenant over there sometimes. So, all right, we're going to. We're going to head over to locals. Rob, take us out. We will see you guys on Thursday. Don't do this.

Speaker 1: 1:19:41

It's been too long, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4: 1:19:44

Those were the days.

Speaker 3: 1:19:45

Oh man, dude, yeah, it was Okay. So on the local side I'll say this the I don't know, I really don't know, I don't, I really don't know. I hope Patrick wasn't mad about the drinking. I don't know, um, I'll have to talk to him about that because he didn't say anything. He never, he never mentioned anything. But I just, I don't know if um, like we, pushed it too much. It was like we, we, we were up late every night and then every day at lunch we would go and drink wine, and I think it had a lot to do with the fact that there was no priest there and you know, and there was. Uh, there was a big divergence in age, so it was a dude, I don't know. I hope, I hope everything was, I hope I did everything to to his approval and stuff, so. But I mean, we left hugging and everything was great.

Speaker 1: 1:20:40

So but Paul says what happens on local stays on locals unless they clip it to Twitter.

Speaker 3: 1:20:47

That's actually true. Well, they hear it for free over on uh uh, never Um Jim.

Speaker 1: 1:20:57

Jim's pretty sure Patrick couldn't have been shocked by your behavior.

Speaker 3: 1:21:01

I mean you're you're a known quantity. There were several times where my wife would say to somebody like, uh, she like at one point she pulled bobby aside and she goes did you know? Did I know what? Did you know? He's like did I know what? I don't know that he's an alcoholic. I'm like, oh, I'm not a freaking alcoholic. Like what are you talking about? She's like I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. No, it was just.

Speaker 1: 1:21:28

I'll tell you what it was you, I was like no, but I I know about his, about everything else in his life starting, but when he was 15 years old, yeah, nicole doesn't know I talk about that.

Speaker 3: 1:21:39

No, there was, it's. Once I start drinking, I don't want anybody to go to bed. I'm like handing drinks out, dude. Oh, I forgot to talk about this. We were in a CC and they don't take payment for the drinks at the bar. They just make you bill it to your room, so you don't know what your bar tab is going to be. Oh no, and I'm handing martinis out. So I also forgot to mention Mary Teresa and gloria, which I wish I didn't. I wish I did mention them because mary teresa and gloria watch our show and, okay, hold on is it mary teresa?

Speaker 3: 1:22:19

mary teresa, gloria, or mary and gloria, okay, no, mary, teresa and gloria, and they both, they both watch our show. They were there alone, like you know. They, they both, they both watch our show. They were there alone, like you know, they, they, they weren't, they weren't there with anybody else, they both had gone alone. Um, but they, they, like they're, they were really fans of the show and stuff. So, gloria, um, like every night at dinner, I'd see her just sitting there and I'm like Gloria, what do you like to drink? She's like I like a chocolate martini. You got it and I just start eating her chocolate martinis. I was, I just would. Just, I'm like another bottle of wine, another bottle of wine, another bottle of wine. The only phrase I memorized while I was there was un'altra bottiglia di vino rosa, another bottle of red wine.

Speaker 3: 1:23:06

Another bottle of red wine, but I had it down so good that whenever I'd do it, the waiter would think I spoke Italian, because it sounded like I spoke Italian.

Speaker 1: 1:23:18

Now you made sure to give them Patrick's room number, right, give them what? Patrick's room number right.

Speaker 3: 1:23:25

Oh I did so, dude. This went on for four days. We were at this hotel and I was adding bottles and bottles. I thought I was going to get a $700 bill. I go down and it was like 240 bucks, really. We went out to dinner the last night, 11 of us. We were drinking wine. What do you think the bill is for 11 people? Everybody ordered food. We were all drinking wine. What would you? Well, you're in minnesota. I'm curious to know what would, what would it cost to take 11 people out to?

Speaker 1: 1:23:55

dinner. I'm just gonna say, like maybe you know some appetizers, nothing extravagant. Maybe drink one alcoholic drink for people. I mean you're talking 500 bucks without tip. Okay, this was 300 bucks, no way For 11 people without alcohol, and they don't have much of a tipping culture either.

Speaker 3: 1:24:20

No, so I wound up I gave $100 tip because the guy got us in. We weren't supposed to sit at the table together. The guy made room and squeezed us all in. He did a lot for us. We didn't have a reservation or anything and he got us in. So I'm like don't worry, you're getting an American tip tonight.

Speaker 4: 1:24:40

Uncle Sam appreciates it.

Speaker 3: 1:24:41

It's 400 bucks, I mean 400 euros, which I guess is a little bit more than 400.

Speaker 4: 1:24:48

Well, that's 500 hold on, rob's gonna convert it.

Speaker 3: 1:24:51

He's gonna convert it it's not like the euro and the dollar.

Speaker 1: 1:24:55

Oh it's almost even they're almost even.

Speaker 3: 1:24:57

It's the conversion rate. It's not the actual difference in in, like the dollar and the euro 120 bucks yeah, so it's pretty similar, it's just the conversion rate.

Speaker 1: 1:25:08

Cigar Mode sent us a $20 tip for me and Nick holding down the fort.

Speaker 3: 1:25:13

Yeah, you guys did. Thank you, I watched the Hitchborn episode.

Speaker 1: 1:25:22

I'm curious, Nick, did you behave with the normies?

Speaker 4: 1:25:26

Nick did really good with Mike.

Speaker 3: 1:25:27

Is Mike Hitchborn not a trad? No, no, no, hitchborn's a trad.

Speaker 4: 1:25:29

Mike Pantile. Oh, pantile, I thought I did, you did good, I thought.

Speaker 1: 1:25:33

I did. It wasn't all awkward like with Jeff Putnam.

Speaker 4: 1:25:38

Yeah, well, it was really the audience that made it awkward, in my opinion. They were freaking out about it and I was just like chill, no, the Jeff Put I was just like getting chill. No, the jeff putnam episode just went south because he got boring at the end, like I like jeff yeah, people got mad at me because I literally just like shook my head and did not say a word.

Speaker 3: 1:25:52

I was like, all right jeff kind of just petered out at the end on us. It was like it was a very awkward ending like and I like to be fair- to be fair, the man had been working through that hurt.

Speaker 2: 1:26:03

Yeah, for like three weeks, I mean 16 hours a day.

Speaker 1: 1:26:07

That is true, it started.

Speaker 4: 1:26:09

It started really it well, I guess. For me it like it started really cool, it was a really cool story, but then he like starts throwing out as like a two-week convert. He's just like, oh, it doesn't really even matter what liturgy you go to and I'm just like dude, I'm writing an entire, like 800 page book currently, as we're speaking on the subject.

Speaker 3: 1:26:27

I'm telling you, when I was watching the Novus Ordo in these churches so bad it just doesn't belong. It just doesn't belong. Even the seeing Francis thing. It was like we had St Peter's square to ourselves.

Speaker 1: 1:26:49

Essentially, it was the most insane this way, anthony, if he turns out to be an anti-pope. Far less people have had received blessings from anti-popes in the history of the church. I mean, come on, that's kind of special.

Speaker 3: 1:27:01

The whole homily was on how priests need to keep their sermons less than 10 minutes and I tweeted out I said I was at this homily. It was 10 minutes too long.

Speaker 4: 1:27:13

See, that's just. I mean. Why are we even talking about that? There's a whole world needing to be saved and you're like keep your sermon at 10 minutes.

Speaker 3: 1:27:20

The thing is no, I think it was Kale said it, or somebody said it. If your priest is giving a good sermon, 10 minutes is not enough. If he's giving a boring sermon, 10 minutes is too much.

Speaker 1: 1:27:31

Here's the thing. I've heard very few incredible sermons that took longer than 10 or 15 minutes, though no, usually 10 minutes is a good, it's because that priest can say it.

Speaker 3: 1:27:46

10 minutes is a decent decently long sermon, right so, but when, when father hughes is giving a sermon, like when father hughes gives his homily, I'll, I'll sit by that man's foot and listen for two hours, like he's just that riveting and interesting, you know. But yeah, the, the I, I would say like the oh. The only thing I would have done differently is do less things like that.

Speaker 4: 1:28:10

We did too much on this trip, like you don't get to like sit down and like, like, as you said, like contemplate and actually like pray, contemplate and pray at some of the dude, some of the artwork.

Speaker 3: 1:28:22

You were a tourist and not a pilgrim, basically. Well, but the thing is to be on pilgrimage don't you have to do a certain amount of steps or something that I have no clue?

Speaker 4: 1:28:33

But you obviously need a priest if you're going to do an official pilgrimage.

Speaker 3: 1:28:38

Yeah, but not having a priest kind of threw a little bit of it off.

Speaker 1: 1:28:41

You know what we need to do. Maybe this is what we should plan for 26?. We need to do the the camino or something like that that'd be fun.

Speaker 3: 1:28:49

I love to do the camino yeah, the society doesn't all the time yeah, my cousin matt um is actually hosting pilgrimages on the camino really, he's the.

Speaker 1: 1:29:03

He was the one that lived in south america for a while.

Speaker 3: 1:29:05

Yeah, yeah he remember he's been in the chat a few times and stuff I remember he's. He's trying to put together like, like young guys that are having a hard go of it or maybe aren't that deep into their catholic thing. He's trying to like organize these guys to go and and do and walk the camino with him that's cool. So that's cool he did it with his father. Um, my uncle just did it. My uncle has cancer and he just walked it. That's cool. I heard it's life-changing.

Speaker 3: 1:29:34

I have too, and then St James Cathedral, over there with the giant incense sensor swinging.

Speaker 4: 1:29:42

If you get a traditional priest to do it I'll totally do it, and that will definitely make it amazing You're actually having a fitting mass at the places which the mass was built for.

Speaker 3: 1:29:52

They won't let you say it in there.

Speaker 4: 1:29:54

No, I know, that's, that's the, that's the tough thing. Like you, telling your story reminded me like father Patrick Rutledge, who's in charge of the St Mary's Kansas party. He just recently took a ton of students there to Rome and he said that like they were just like chilling in this church and the sacristan just comes up and he's just oh, you want to say mass, you want to say mass. And he's like I ain't going to say no, like I'm not going to turn down an opportunity. And but you know, then they they figured out literally because he was wearing a cassock, they were just, they started immediately shouting is the fifth?

Speaker 3: 1:30:30

no, massive pie is the fifth and he's just like. This church is literally built for the massive pie is the fifth, but you won't allow it. The side altars are just empty, are stunning and you're not allowed to say it's the most heartbreaking, sad thing in the world.

Speaker 4: 1:30:39

They're just and like who benefits for lesser math, like less mass is taking place, like who benefits? Like that? That's why, to me, like I think you said it a long time ago, anthony, I forget, when it was like six, seven months ago like it's just diabolical and you have to look at things from like the spiritual warfare perspective sometimes, because that's the only one who wins, like satan is the only one who, like, gets his jollies by not having more masses take place, makes Makes no sense.

Speaker 3: 1:31:06

Well, it does make sense. It's diabolical, like that's. It's the only way to make sense of it and when you, when you see it that way, it actually in some way it kind of comforts me, like that. So that was why Patrick said no, we can't bring a Latin mass priest, cause you won't be able to say mass anywhere. We could have done it in the hotel room.

Speaker 4: 1:31:24

Yeah, and honestly the thing is is like I mean, you're from the streets of New York, you can get away with crap. You know what I'm saying. You can just set up something and once it's started it's like. All you need is five weeks.

Speaker 3: 1:31:40

You think you're going to interrupt the mass?

Speaker 1: 1:31:43

Tyler in the chat says that that was Father Rutledge and it was literally in the church of saint pius the fifth where they told him he couldn't celebrate the mass of saint pius.

Speaker 4: 1:31:52

Oh, tyler, are you in saint mary's? Was it tyler? Is that? He said it was?

Speaker 4: 1:31:57

yeah, tyler now does yeah tyler, are you in the same as kansas? Let me know. No, it reminds me. So when you were gone, I had an italian experience. While you were gone, though, anth Anthony, what was that? Because I mean yeah, I mean the whole audience that I was over in Afghanistan joining the Taliban while you guys were gone was pretty funny, but but, but I went to Boston and I was touring around because I mean I'm a huge American history fan, et cetera. So I went on the, you know, like the freedom tour. That's there. Anyway, it goes through Little Italy.

Speaker 4: 1:32:31

I didn't know this place at first, was little italy. But as I'm walking up, I see these massive italian banners flying and I say to my dad hmm, is this little italy? Immediately, two cars pull up right in front of us. Yo, pull over right now. I'll beat you right now. Pull over to the parking lot. It's like these two mafia guys ready to get into a fight, and I was just like, yep, I'm in a little little. I walked all through, like their, their version of downtown. So you saw the little little church and, uh, all the restaurants. Of course, you know, with the white tablecloths or checker tablecloths, you know some italian name I was like I don't feel comfortable here. I gotta get out of here and bring back segregation it's.

Speaker 3: 1:33:04

Uh, it's, it's, it's just the. The thing with the not saying mass is just. It really is heartbreaking. But look if we plan something far enough out, like the camino or something like that francis will be dead and they'll probably wow tlm again. I'm just saying.

Speaker 1: 1:33:22

I'm just saying, even if not, um, we would just have to do private masses you know, some of my favorite masses that I can think of were the ones with father nicks in your uncle's living room yeah, yeah there's. There's just something amazing about those those few. Uh, he would do it with us. Yeah, he would be the priest we bring, as long as you're not locked up for praying in an abortion facility or something, but he would be.

Speaker 3: 1:33:50

He would be the priest we brought, or um, I. I have one or two others I could always reach out to but yeah, get away with saying tlms.

Speaker 4: 1:34:01

We would just need, like, we would just need to make sure there's at least like five like tall american dudes, so that any, any stupid sacristarian who comes up, they just like nah, get out of here for 10 minutes.

Speaker 3: 1:34:14

Yeah, we're not the crew you want to do this with.

Speaker 4: 1:34:16

We'll just leave Once we're done. We're out of here, we're out of your hair.

Speaker 3: 1:34:19

We're not going to cause a disruption. We're saying mass you people are sick. It's so nuts man Rob.

Speaker 1: 1:34:30

What it's so nuts man I um rob what did you think of that mike ben segment?

Speaker 3: 1:34:32

um not, I guess none of it was new to me really yeah so it all made a ton of sense, yeah okay, it made sense to me and it actually because I, I didn't, I didn't realize what?

Speaker 1: 1:34:48

what was shocking to you? Like the amount of natural resources russia has, or like what?

Speaker 3: 1:34:54

we're no, that that was the actual motivation for because, look, yeah, always we. But why do?

Speaker 1: 1:34:58

you why? So why do you think russia has stopped where they are in ukraine, like so that first week they drove deep towards kiev, right, and while they did that they were able to quickly take the eastern third of ukraine over, and then they pull back from kiev and have a move sense right?

Speaker 3: 1:35:17

that's because that eastern third is where all the natural resources are and no russian takeout food, so they had to go back home well, what I was shocked at is because you have you hear all the time it's like, oh, we're in the middle east for their oil, we're in, but it's not really what we're there for. Like it's this side benefit, well. So I watched the jeffrey sacks tucker interview also and jeffrey sacks just went through like we're basically just doing israel's bidding in the middle east, like we're doing seven countries and and we're going through all of them because Israel wants to redesign the Middle East. We are. Our foreign policy is not determined by Americans, it's determined by Israel. I didn't understand the why are we doing this with Russia? It made no sense to me. It's like if they would be better off coming out and saying look, we are doing this because we want to cripple russia's ability to sell natural gas, because that will like I the whole thing.

Speaker 1: 1:36:20

We want to cripple their, their military industrial complex that's it.

Speaker 3: 1:36:23

And it's like if they told us that it'd be like okay, that at least is a motivation for it. The way they sell it is like oh, we need to stop russian incursion. It's like don't like, why do they think we're so dumb that we can't handle?

Speaker 1: 1:36:36

because? Because how can you sell? How can you say we want? We simply want to cripple russia economically right at the cost of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of ukrainian lives you can't sell that tax dollars.

Speaker 4: 1:36:55

And then, on top of all of that, it's like I mean you say and you're right, anthony it's like how dumb do they think we are?

Speaker 4: 1:37:02

but like a lot of people are yeah like I mean, like I mean you, you are actually smart because you dropped out of public school straight up like if you were if that was honestly like a saving grace god gave you, because, like all of the teachers and myself, we're always talking about how just like screwed we are, because all these kids don't know how to think and it's the adults too and also I mean another reason why we're going after russia is to stop russia's ability to prop up the states in the middle east.

Speaker 3: 1:37:32

Israel once gone yeah, iran, etc it's so nuts all of it, and so the whole beginning of that that. Uh, mike ben's show is just going through how the censorship program that they're doing and how the CIA is just censoring everything that we say, and it's all about manipulation so that they can do color revolutions wherever they want, things like that. And part of it is this the way they were doing it is they're pitching it through this program. We need a whole of society so, like the CIA can't be seen to be authoritarianly, like as an authoritarian shutting down free speech, so they need a whole of society to come together and put pressure on people so that that's how they'll suppress speech.

Speaker 3: 1:38:24

And when I'm seeing all these drone stories and I'm seeing all the stupid ufo stuff coming out, and then they got trump talking about it, and I'm really thinking back to the reagan speech where he says you know, the one thing that I think that would unite everyone is if we had an alien invasion. And I just see them gearing up to have trump be the president of disclosure to try and convince us there's aliens. And I think I'm worried that trump is naive enough to believe the intelligence reports he's getting and actually come out and be that.

Speaker 1: 1:39:02

See, well, I wouldn't put something like that past the government at all. I I think more what? What mike benz was saying about stuff like that is, like things like the me too movement uh, it wasn't, it wasn't natural. Blm yeah, wasn't organic, wasn't natural. Um, those are, those are movements that are literally orchestrated by the CIA in order to create a cancel culture, because a cancel culture is censorship. So that's what I think. More Talking about the drones and possibly trying to unite society in order so the government can control society better. I think what would be more likely would be the theory of like a, that the drones are looking for a dirty bomb, and whether that dirty bomb is actually from a foreign state actor or, more likely, in my opinion, from an internal actor like the caa or something like that.

Speaker 4: 1:40:03

I find that more believable than than something like a day of disclosure there's even just one very simple theory, which is just the biden administration is one big screw up and so like whenever you look at the whole narrative over the last week about the drones, it's like first, we don't know what this is. Or it might be iranian, or it might be russian, or who knows really what it is.

Speaker 4: 1:40:24

I mean, it's like what they say never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity exactly that and that's why, like sometimes, like I'm like, yeah, this legitimately could just be a complete screw up from the bite administration and it wouldn't really be that shocking like it legitimately wouldn't be but I mean, the drones are still something coming from somewhere yeah, exactly, they're not aliens.

Speaker 4: 1:40:46

It's like when they have light bulbs on, I'm not really convinced. But the whole mothership thing though, oh my gosh, like I'm so happy I'm on twitter sometimes just because, again, like I have my like hidden account and I just see, like this whole conversation go from like what are these drones doing here? To basically like here's this massive mothership from the planet x, y and z who's clearly sending all these things.

Speaker 3: 1:41:09

I'm like, oh gosh even the, even, the even, all right. So the way they're pitching the alien thing isn't like they're extraterrestrials from another planet. They're pitching them as if these things have always been here.

Speaker 4: 1:41:20

Yeah, exactly yeah more like a war of the worlds kind of thing yeah, I mean, the rationale really would be, though, if they were aliens I mean, it's kind of the whether they're from here or whether they're extraterrestrial, it's still kind of the same question which is just like what, what are they getting? What would be like the cause behind what they're getting? Why would they just be hanging out in this horrible atmosphere filled with, like, pollen and pollution? You know what are they doing.

Speaker 1: 1:41:47

If they're aliens and they were able to, uh, travel literally across star systems right which at the fastest speed we know that we think you can be travel takes four years to get to the next near star yeah, we have to ask jimmy acon on all these but so if they're able to travel like that, why can't they hide from our cameras?

Speaker 4: 1:42:09

No, exactly that's the thing. When they're just going up there, I'm just like goodness. If this was further down south, bro, goodness you know, there'd be a ton of rednecks just blasting it with their AR-15s.

Speaker 3: 1:42:21

I don't think that there is a bit of demonic activity going on with this, like I do think that people have encountered actual spiritual entities at some at some points and mistaken them for aliens, because our culture has no, has no place for non-human intelligences, but cultures before us always had a place for that, because there's always been non-human intelligences around and we've had to create this new category of alien to account for that. So I do think there's an element of that, but I also think 95 of this stuff is science nonsense.

Speaker 1: 1:43:01

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Or also I mean new jersey yeah, could just be people from new jersey. Yeah, I agree. Or also I mean New Jersey yeah, could just be people from New Jersey being people from New Jersey, right.

Speaker 3: 1:43:13

That's what I'm saying. There's clearly something up there, though, Like there's definitely drones.

Speaker 1: 1:43:20

Hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on.

Speaker 3: 1:43:26

Say that, say that again. There's clearly people up there. No, there's clearly drones up there. They were spotted over my town.

Speaker 1: 1:43:39

No yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:43:40

They were all over the place. Why aren't you?

Speaker 1: 1:43:41

up there with your shockwave going boom.

Speaker 3: 1:43:44

I wasn't home. When I got home it was all over news 12.

Speaker 4: 1:43:47

It's like people spotted these drones over lake grove they just send them to central texas man, we'll take care of them people were shooting at them from jersey, but they don't got the. They don't have the, all the, the texas firearms that we do here like they'll just be. There'll be people like pulling up with 50 cows just ready to be like, hey, let's have some fun y'all.

Speaker 1: 1:44:04

This is called old school skate shooting and we'll knock them out of the sky and then, and then, the next day everyone's gonna be like oh no, the aliens mutilated our cattle. That fell from the sky.

Speaker 3: 1:44:16

No, no, it was definitely the aliens it was definitely the alien people don't realize you shoot a bullet, it's gonna land somewhere, even if you shoot it up in the sky. It's's got to come down, and it comes down at terminal velocity, right.

Speaker 1: 1:44:28

Yeah, which is, I mean, which is a lot slower than what they're Well, so nevermind, we don't need to get into physics, it's going to come down at least a little bit slower than what it was fired.

Speaker 3: 1:44:37

Well, clearly it's going up and it's. You know it's going to come a bit slower if you fire in a ballistic arc. Uh, it comes down faster okay so if you fire it straight up and it lands directly on somebody's head when it comes back down, is it enough to put a hole in their head? No, you don't think so. No knock them out.

Speaker 1: 1:44:59

It's been tested it. They fall at like, depending on the bullet. Of course some bullets are going to fall quite a bit faster, but like a nine millimeter it falls at like. I want to say 70 or 80 miles an hour. It's gonna.

Speaker 3: 1:45:11

It's gonna leave a weld it might knock you out or something, I mean knock you down, but all right um you.

Speaker 1: 1:45:20

You know that battle of los angeles movie where it's like the alien. Yeah, they should do a battle of the jersey shore, where it's italians italians versus aliens.

Speaker 3: 1:45:31

That's a good title what, uh, what was your guys? What was your guys favorite show that you did while I was gone?

Speaker 4: 1:45:37

I honestly think it was well. They were all really good in their own like unique way I think, for like learning stuff. I had never done an episode with hitchborn before. Like the only episode that I had ever been on with him was election night, so kind of doesn't count, and so like it was just fascinating him breaking down what I had already thought, which was if dragons were real they were like some kind of dinosaur.

Speaker 4: 1:46:00

But him like giving all the actual scientific reasons from like you know, the atmospheric temperature, to all kinds of stuff and I don't know why, like that passage of job I have read, but I've just never read it, thinking about a dinosaur.

Speaker 4: 1:46:13

But when he read that passage job I was like this is really cool, um, and but then actually I think, for like meaty conversation, um, the last one we had, mr yeah, yeah, with the keith nester, was, I think, the best one, just because it was on the one hand like it was relatable, like we're talking about you know, content creation and like the evils that can come with that. But then also, um, it was also nice to hear like some of his like personal encouragement when it came to like I didn't even mean to bring it up, but like I just made like a I don't have a girlfriend joke and it was was like 20 minutes, so we ended up just talking about that. But he liked giving like decent encouragement when it comes to it. So it was nice because, again, it's like I, I mean it, but it's like I I have kind of like push that part of me off of the camera. But then he was actually like interested about it.

Speaker 1: 1:47:12

So that was cool. An iowan version of you, anthony, is he? Yeah, yeah, with his personality and in and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 1:47:14

He's basically just a midwestern anthony. That's so interesting, that's, that's pretty awesome. I think that's why him and him and I, yeah, hit it off like he's just, he's like, uh, he just wasn't like coming, let's go have a beer or something. You know, he's like that kind of guy, he's really chill he texted me, uh, this morning about you nick.

Speaker 3: 1:47:30

He said hey, uh, me and my wife pray for nick every night by name. I think he's an awesome kid and and uh, just let him know that he's in, he's in mind of my wife's prayers man.

Speaker 4: 1:47:42

That's really nice of him. I appreciate it. Let him know I said thank you. What?

Speaker 3: 1:47:45

a genuine heart he's got right.

Speaker 4: 1:47:47

No, for real, like he's a really like down-to-earth guy, which is what I thought was pretty cool with keith.

Speaker 1: 1:47:53

Like I know that because he lives in iowa, so he's like probably eight hours south of me. I could drive down there and have a few beers with him oh for sure, and he'd make you sleep over, you know yeah yeah

Speaker 3: 1:48:05

he's like.

Speaker 1: 1:48:06

You're more than welcome, come on I thought the uh conversation so I liked having rick back on. It had been a long time since we had rick on, so that was fun. Um, especially just talking about guns and self-defense I love stuff like that. And then uh, mike the conversation with mike was great too. Um, even though it's probably our most normie conversation of the four, it was still really good and I love you.

Speaker 1: 1:48:30

Now new convert, right, I know well, I know I know yeah, you, yeah, you got to go. Well, not go easy on them.

Speaker 4: 1:48:36

But well, you just got to like understand, like where he's at, so you don't like unload with him that's why, like whenever? It was funny. Because when he brought up like his first point about like it's essentially like it doesn't really matter which mass you go to, as long as you pray it reverently, I was just chill, I didn't jump on him, I was just like I'm gonna let him, and it was like I left him talk for like 10 minutes after that and then I kind of just came in with my points.

Speaker 3: 1:48:59

But uh, yeah, it's like he's just so new to it and he's also um I mean his wife's still in RCIA? Yeah, like I don't even know if he has access to a lab mask. I don't know if he's even been to one. I don't know, I don't know any of that.

Speaker 1: 1:49:14

He's been to one. His wife made him go to one so he said his wife saw. His wife saw the mass of the ages stuff which he was not as much a fan of, but his wife saw it and made them go to one that's cool.

Speaker 4: 1:49:27

Where does it? Where do they live? I forgot canada, dude canada. I can't wait for canada to become the 51st state.

Speaker 1: 1:49:34

It's gonna be epic bro I I loved mike's rant about uh fuentes.

Speaker 4: 1:49:38

That was good that was very funny. That was awesome. What do you say?

Speaker 1: 1:49:41

about him. Uh, I don't even remember, like you, don't have to say word for word.

Speaker 3: 1:49:49

I'm saying what was the idea behind it oh just how. They're basically fake catholics okay yeah the yeah, yeah, man, they're really turning me off the groper's, the crew over at um return of the king.

Speaker 4: 1:50:03

They were asking me a bunch of questions about it and because they're doing a whole bunch of like videos about they term it like gory burism, etc. But uh, man, like seeing some of the stuff that that crew is putting, not not returning the king, but like the the fuentes crowd, the stuff that they're putting on like jokes about rape and just all kinds of filthy language. It's like, rob, you know I follow rob. Rob doesn't know, but I follow rob. I know you follow Rob. Rob doesn't know, but I follow Rob.

Speaker 1: 1:50:27

I know you follow me, you just won't tell me who you are.

Speaker 4: 1:50:29

I follow both of you too, but you just don't know who it is. But, like you said, it was like a few days ago or something, but I think you aptly put it like it's. It's becoming a true cult of personality, because people were like yeah, don't you think these rape jokes are too far?

Speaker 1: 1:50:43

people like, unless nick tells me not yeah, until nick tells me to back off, I'm not going it's like what about what jesus christ tells you?

Speaker 4: 1:50:51

exactly. So I think the movement has 95 correct and that five percent is going to be a self-destruction yeah, before we go this time change.

Speaker 3: 1:51:05

I still haven't adjusted yet. Um, I want to play the Francesco clip I put up there, rob.

Speaker 1: 1:51:10

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:51:11

Play that Francesco clip because I found it. It's one of those things where I had such a great experience seeing a CC and I think what's his name? What's the actor in this? I have no idea. Man he's famous. I think he does such a good job of just showing how Francis reacted when he read this in the gospel.

Speaker 1: 1:51:41

Ready.

Speaker 2: 1:51:42

Yeah, I have these words. If you would be perfect, go sell what you possess and give everything to the poor. Take nothing with you no purse, no money, no sandals. He who would come with me must renounce himself and take up his cross and follow me. That's all I can say. There's nothing to fear. I hardly have any fear now.

Speaker 1: 1:53:11

Hardly any.

Speaker 3: 1:53:16

That's it. It's just when I see what Francis did, how he read the gospel and he didn't get caught up in one of Paul's epistles like Luther did. He didn't get caught up in the epistles like every Protestant I ever have a conversation with, where they basically use the epistles as a get out of jail free for not following the gospel card. It's very interesting the way they do it. It's like if you point out something Christ said, they will go to an epistle and say how well we're just saved by faith alone. And you know God, god redeem me and his righteousness is imputed to me. And it's like, and even when Protestant women refer to Mary as just a sinner, the implication of that is that you think you yourself are fit to raise the Christ child. I know, do you? Know the Americans.

Speaker 3: 1:54:23

Like you, awful little mothers who you do awful things to your children. All of us are bad parents, man, like we think we're good parents. We all make mistakes with our kids, but the audacity to think like I could raise the Christ child to marry was just a sinner like me person. Where a saint reads a verse in the gospels and takes it so to heart that they go and sell all that they have, they just, I mean, it changed, changed the face of the earth. What would St Francis did? This guide that took us through made me fall back in love with St Francis.

Speaker 3: 1:55:10

I want to read Chesterton's Francis and I want to read there's another biography on him and I just want to get to know him because I don't. I mean, there's something so unique about St Francis man. He's just so different from any other scene. He really is a little mini christ and that's why his stigmata were really like love kissing him and putting love's impression had to impress upon him. Yeah, it's just such a beautiful experience of seeing a cc man saint francis is so cool and it's.

Speaker 4: 1:55:43

It's interesting for me, especially because, again, not growing up Catholic you see lots of images in people's yards of St Francis of Assisi or you hear these out-of-context statements made by him. It's so interesting. Think about it. They make Christ into a hippie. They make St Francis of Assisi into a hippie.

Speaker 4: 1:56:02

When you read both of them. That's not the case. And, like saint francis, what I love about him is that, especially in that scene, he reads the text and he's like okay, I obey, and you know, it's that type of childlike obedience, that radical submission to christ's words that I think is not only so convicting but also how beautiful that must be to god himself my favorite part is when he realizes I'm wearing sandals.

Speaker 3: 1:56:28

Exactly, he kicks them off. Wait where? Take no sandal, like he. It's like go and sell all that you have, take no, take no purse with you and no, no, oh, like in that moment he's realizing I guess I gotta get rid of my sandals. Okay, like, he'll just do whatever jesus tells him do. He will just do with fearless abandon. And I just want to do that, man, I don't know.

Speaker 4: 1:56:54

It's such a, because what you got to see was you said it was the habit or the hair shirt of Samson, his tunic, okay.

Speaker 3: 1:56:59

I think it was his tunic. I don't know, it might not have been. It might have been the hair shirt.

Speaker 1: 1:57:13

Well, I think, the hair, I think it actually might have been the tunic, just because I think the hair shirt.

Speaker 4: 1:57:15

The hair shirt looks almost like, like the outline of armor, but it's all thorns right. Yeah, this is a tunic. It's way too big to be just. It's really cool. It's really cool. They have, though, um, I mean, in the traditional roman liturgy like there's literally I think it's october, it's in the teens, I know that, but it's literally the feast of the stigmata of saint francis of assisi.

Speaker 3: 1:57:30

Dude, we got to go to the spot where he got the stigmata. Hey, okay, before we go, the one thing I wanted to ask you guys how do you, how do you guys feel about third class relics like I got, like we were all taking a rosary and like touching it to the place where francis touched and things like that that might even be fourth class, right, you're?

Speaker 4: 1:57:50

not even touching. Those would be third class, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:57:54

Third class. It almost felt superstitious at some point. It's like, is this going to be my good luck charm rosary or something? Yeah, I don't know. A first class relic, I get that A second class relic. I I got where. A first class relic, I get that a second class relic, I get that the third class relic. It kind of becomes like a good luck charm at that point to me it would.

Speaker 4: 1:58:12

It would depend upon your intention, like what you'd want to do. So it's like if you do it out of like a devotion and you you want, you're asking like lord, through this action, like help me receive more grace, that's totally cool. But if you're doing it in like a weird superstitious way where it's like, um, kind of like the old joke, like hey, if I um touch my scapular to this relic and put it on me, it'll turn my mortal sins and divinial sins, like if it's just something insane.

Speaker 3: 1:58:37

Like, even like, like. What about the? The? The burying the saint joseph statue?

Speaker 4: 1:58:42

that's wrong, that is superstition yeah, I was about to say yeah, I heard that and I just thought this is whack. I don't know anything else about it, but it sounds whack.

Speaker 3: 1:58:51

Yeah, those guineas man, they got some strange ones.

Speaker 4: 1:58:56

Too much tomato sauce in their bloodstream.

Speaker 3: 1:59:00

Well, I will say this I am very happy to be home and back with my boys. We'll see what we're going to do for Thursday. I got to do some reading. Man Rob and I have been talking a little bit. We want to do some deeper stuff. We don't want to just chase news stories. So maybe once a week we'll do something a little deeper and then the other day we'll do the news thing. We'll try to bring a little more deeper content.

Speaker 4: 1:59:24

If you want. I mean, we don't have to do it this Thursday, but we can keep it as an option. Yeah, joe Moreau, on the Return of the King podcast he's doing a ton of stuff on Fuentes. So if you're wanting to do a new stuff and it's already kind of in the news because of the condemnation by the USCCB, which I find to be the most ironically hilarious- thing in 2024. I was actually appalled by that. I was in a way too, because of but it but for me.

Speaker 4: 1:59:51

I looked at the reaction was hilarious like yeah, because to me I was like you guys are the biggest hyper papalist of hyper papalists. Now the bishops have come out and literally sentenced pepe the frog to hell, and uh, what are you gonna do about it?

Speaker 3: 2:00:04

so I don't care about the Fuentes stuff. I care that the bishops are collaborating with a Jewish propaganda thing.

Speaker 4: 2:00:14

Yeah, I'm not surprised, but he would be just in general. I think even on both points we could talk about Fuentes and the Jewish cooperation and he'd be excellent for both.

Speaker 1: 2:00:23

Here's the thing. I don't need Groypers trying to dox me to get me fired.

Speaker 3: 2:00:26

That's what I want. Here's the thing I don't need.

Speaker 4: 2:00:28

Groypers trying to dox me to get me fired that one clip that you guys put up of me giving criticisms. Oh my gosh, it was like 300.

Speaker 3: 2:00:36

We lost like 30.

Speaker 4: 2:00:38

It was like 300 comments and they were just like. Kavossus is being uncharitable, he can't read into Fuentes' heart. I'm like all right.

Speaker 1: 2:00:45

At this point I'm pretty sure I can and I'm pretty sure Fuentes is a terrible person Exactly Just going to say that All right, I'm going to catch some sleep too.

Speaker 3: 2:00:58

I'm exhausted now.

Speaker 4: 2:00:59

You got to go drink another bottle of wine and keep the streak going.

Speaker 3: 2:01:04

All right, boys, we'll see, I'll see you guys. Fingers out, rob, we'll see. I'll see you guys. Yeah, see you out, rob, thank you.